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1. Somehow, the New York Times got hold of Donald Trump Jr.’s emails regarding his meeting with a Russian lawyer.

When emails from John Podesta got leaked to the public, everyone made a big deal about how this was the world’s greatest threat to Democracy. But those same people don’t seem to care very much that the same thing apparently happened to Donald Trump Jr.

2. Informed that the New York Times had the emails, Donald Trump Jr. released them himself in order to better control the story.

3. What the emails show is that Donald Trump Jr. was naïve about politics. Hillary Clinton’s campaign sought dirt on Trump the correct way. They hired an independent dirt-digging firm, and the dirt-digging firm talked to a lot of Russians in search of dirt, but no one cares about that because the Clinton campaign did things the correct way. Or maybe, simply because no one cares what Clinton needed to do in order to beat Trump who is considered to be almost as bad as Hitler.

But Donald Trump, Jr. got involved himself instead of having some independent dirt-digging firm do the dirty work. And then he expressed his excitement about receiving dirt from the Russian government. Of course he’d be excited about getting good dirt on Clinton, but people more experienced in politics would know to keep those things out of emails.

On the other hand, if Hillary Clinton knew to keep things out of emails, why did she have to delete half of her emails? If they were entirely innocuous, why create a scandal by deleting them? But none of the people out to get Trump seem to care about anything that HRC did.

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July 11, 2017 at 5:44 pm

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  1. Even More Thoughts on North Korea Through the Lens of Game Theory

    https://pragmaticallydistributed.wordpress.com/2017/07/11/even-more-thoughts-north-korea-game-theory/

    Given that a military confrontation between the United States and North Korea has all the makings of the second most dangerous post-WWII American air and naval operation short of the Cuban Missile Crisis, I can’t resist further application of game theory to this evolving situation.

    Skeptics of game theory might dismiss my analysis, and game theory generally, with the old saw that no plan survives contact with the enemy.

    True.

    To a degree.

    But some plans are better than others. The point of using game theory in warfare, or any other competitive endeavor, is to create an informative strategic map. An informative map outlining the points where success and failure are most likely to occur; and even whether war should occur. All these considerations and more are clearer when thought through the perspective of game theory.

    I will walk you through these three game theory concepts and apply them to events on the Korean Peninsula.

    Sequential Games – Any game where the move of one competitor is dependent on the move of another and everyone’s move is visible to all players.

    Examples are most classic board games such as chess.

    Simultaneous Games – Any game where the actions of both competitors are made without knowledge of what the other side’s actions are.

    An example of this is a submarine sent on a search and destroy mission against another sub when neither sub has spotted the other. As soon as at least one submarine detects its opponent this simultaneous game becomes at least partially sequential.

    Real life military situations almost always combine elements of sequential and simultaneous games.

    Rationality and Irrationality – The game theory terms of “rationality” and “irrationality” are often used wrongly by media pundits to mean “logical” and “illogical”.

    What real mathematicians and statisticians mean by “rational” is not “logical”.

    In game theory rational actions are actions that an actor in a game takes to achieve a preferred outcome, even if that outcome is objectively illogical. Actions taken by irrational actors are actions that deliberately do not lead to their preferred outcome.

    As far as game theory is concerned the actions of Jeffrey Dahmer were rational despite being illogical because he valued cannibalizing humans above all his other preferences. Dahmer’s actions would have been irrational if he preferred cannibalizing humans above all else but did not take actions that led to him cannibalizing humans.

    Now to apply all three concepts to North Korea.

    Is Kim a rational actor to pursue nuclear weapons despite the fact he is arguably better off giving up his weapons in exchange for diplomatic normalization with the rest of the world?

    Game theory says yes if he values nuclear weapons over economic prosperity.

    If he valued prosperity over nukes he would have already given them up as Ghadaffi did (Btw, the destruction of Ghadaffi’s regime likely taught Kim not to give them up, but that is a different subject).

    Kim’s seemingly crazy threats to counter attack and the occasional, limited, military provocation by him are in fact very rational because they serve to deter a preemptive attack against his nuclear facilities. This deterrence buys him time until his nuclear weapons are capable of reaching US soil. Once that capability is reached he will be in a much better position to either blackmail the United States or use them in war.

    Because a North Korea armed with ICBMs is much more dangerous in American risk-reward calculations than a North Korean nuclear program with only regional capacities, America’s preference calculations are escalating to damaging or destroying his nuclear capacity before America comes within range of Kim’s missiles.

    This conflict would have a sequential nature because each move by one side would influence the next move of the other.

    As discussed previously, the conflict would open with America striking Kim’s nuclear sites in a combined air and naval strike.

    From there, how the conflict would unfold would depend on how Kim’s preferences lead him to respond.

    There are three main decisions for Kim to choose from, all of which would be met sequentially by equivalent American and allied responses:

    Kim decides against serious retaliation – America does not attack again
    Kim starts a conventional war by firing artillery at Seoul – America and South Korea fight a conventional war
    Kim uses whatever remaining WMDs he has – America retaliates with nuclear weapons

    In America’s view the optimal military result is that our strikes severely damage the North’s nuclear program and the North does not significantly retaliate. But whether this favored result turns out to be the real life result depends on Kim.

    And what Kim will do depends heavily on his rationality immediately following the strike.

    After the air strike, a rational Kim’s first action would be to assess how much damage his nuclear program suffered and decide whether to retaliate.

    It is because either a conventional or nuclear confrontation would be very costly to North Korea that a rational Kim may decide against retaliation. Especially if his nuclear weapons, already prone to test failures, have been rendered inoperable by the opening American attack.

    I’ve mapped out sequential events after the initial airstrike assuming Kim is rational.

    But what if Kim is not rational at that moment? Suppose he panics if bombs fall near him and he orders artillery strikes without knowing what state his nuclear arsenal is in?

    Or, what if he is killed/incapacited early and the decision falls to a second in command with different preferences?

    It may be that we would be better off if Kim is healthy and rational in the aftermath of our attack because he is more likely to choose America’s desired outcome (no post-strike retaliation) if he is able to rationally assess the unfavorable risk-reward calculations of retaliation.

    Therefore, game theory suggests our preemptive airstrike should intentionally avoid hitting Kim in order to statistically maximize the odds of our preferred outcome happening.

    Of course, it is possible we might kill him anyway by accident. Kim and his commanders could be touring their nuclear facilities at the time without our knowledge. This is part of what makes the nature of military action against North Korea partly simultaneous.

    But if he is irrational due to fright, or if he is incapacitated and the decision falls to someone else, we have no way to guess how North Korea would react.

    What lessons game theory’s concepts of rationality, sequentiality, and simultaneity have to teach.

    Will game theory statisticians try to quantify the likelihood of each counter-move in each scenario?

    Yes.

    They will normally provide odds of such and such a result occurring. This makes many suspicious – how do they know there is a 55% chance of the North retaliating? Are the real chances 50%? 70%? etc, etc…

    But this is to miss game theory’s advantages.

    What is most valuable to the decision maker is the broad perspective game theory gives and where the crucial steps in the game are.

    From just the three concepts discussed in this article we learn:

    The key moment will be if and how Kim decides to retaliate.

    Therefore America must make the most of its first mover advantage because how strong the first move is will heavily influence the North’s move.

    The extent to which North Korea’s nuclear program is damaged will greatly factor into whether Kim decides to counter with a full scale land assault against South Korea IF he is rational.

    These lessons are useful because they map out, in their proper context, the most likely route the conflict would take.

    They are also intuitive conclusions.

    What is counter-intuitive is that it may be optimal for the United States to not target Kim himself in the opening because North Korea might not act rationally according to its own risk-reward calculations when they decide whether and how to retaliate.

    It is game theory’s ability to come to surprisingly counter-intuitive recommendations about seemingly straight-forward military questions as well as its broad strategic overview that make it a field well worth studying.

    The Undiscovered Jew

    July 11, 2017 at 6:10 pm

    • Thank you for the ginormous copy pasta comment that was unrelated to the topic of this post. Just what I was hoping to see.

      Dave Pinsen

      July 11, 2017 at 6:47 pm

      • Come on, copying entire posts from his own blog and pasting them as comments here is just what TUJ does. It’s like Otis posting NeoGaf updates, or JS posting that America is a prole cultural wasteland.

        Hermes

        July 11, 2017 at 7:34 pm

      • Post of the week, Dave.

        Renault

        July 11, 2017 at 8:08 pm

      • Ha, yeah, what’s the point?

        GondwanaMan

        July 11, 2017 at 8:25 pm

      • Guy does this on every post. It’s extremely annoying.

        Two in the Bush

        July 11, 2017 at 10:55 pm

    • Thank you for the ginormous copy pasta comment that was unrelated to the topic of this post. Just what I was hoping to see.

      You’re welcome.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      July 11, 2017 at 7:28 pm

  2. I find myself struggling to care about this story; it’s so ubiquitous that I figure it must be at least a little bit important, but man is it ever boring. This kind of dirt-digging is just what politicians do, and always have done, everywhere. And once again, the MSM fails to understand that this won’t change the minds of Trump supporters in the least, and in fact will probably just bolster their support of Trump, as it becomes ever more obvious that CNN/NYT/WaPo/Vox/Slate are desperate producers of fake news and fake outrage. It’s like the journalists are just speaking to themselves at this point.

    Tuff Thora

    July 11, 2017 at 6:28 pm

    • It is totally fine if it bores you, as long as you have the intellectual honesty to realize that that Trump is an embarrassingly bad president, and–hopefully–feel compelled to vote in a way that reflects this realization.

      trap-n-skeet

      July 11, 2017 at 6:51 pm

      • What you mean is “he’s an embarrassingly bad POLITICIAN”. That is self-evident.

        However, it’s one of the main reasons that many people voted for him. And will vote for him again in ever increasing numbers.

        There’s some intellectual honesty for you.

        gda

        July 11, 2017 at 7:14 pm

  3. “A foreign national shall not, directly or indirectly, make a contribution or a donation of money or ***other thing of value,*** or expressly or impliedly promise to make a contribution or a donation, in connection with any Federal, State, or local election.” (11 CFR 110.20)

    The winner of this whole scandal is Russia. If Trump remains president Russia will benefit from a President who works towards their agenda. If this scandal topples the Trump administration, nonetheless Russia will have caused unprecedented turmoil and destabilization of the US political system.

    trap-n-skeet

    July 11, 2017 at 6:45 pm

    • Information is free, not a thing of value.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      July 11, 2017 at 6:51 pm

      • Yeah, because it’s not like campaigns labor to convert cash/resources into information. Or as Bush/Cheney chief strategist Matthew Dowd just tweeted, “Umm, Jr, i have worked on over 100 campaigns and it is first time i have heard of someone meeting w/ foreign adversary to get oppo.”

        I didn’t think Trump collaborated with Russia, but now that view was certainly incorrect. He did. Of course, the vast majority of posters here are going to see this story and then blame the press. Sad!

        Vince

        July 11, 2017 at 7:09 pm

      • That’s very carefully phrased. “Foreign adversary”. That means Dowd has met with foreign officials to get oppo. Just not a “foreign adversary,” whatever the hell that means. Bush’s Axis of Evil included North Korea, Iraq, and Iran, so apparently not them.

        Whether Russia is a “foreign adversary” is a matter of opinion. We’re not at war with them, and in fact have co-operated with them on many issues over the years, including the current war with ISIS.

        Richard

        July 11, 2017 at 7:37 pm

      • Not all information is free, and a lot of information is very valuable (e.g.,Google and Facebook, charging marketers billions in the aggregate for access to users’ search information). In particular, hacking of personal emails has a market price (https://www.inc.com/minda-zetlin/want-to-hack-into-someones-email-itll-cost-you-129.html)

        “Information is free” is not a good argument.

        trap-n-skeet

        July 11, 2017 at 7:58 pm

      • It’s a good argument given that people have freedom of speech in the United States. Talking to someone isn’t a campaign contribution.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        July 11, 2017 at 8:58 pm

      • People need to be careful with words. There is no evidence that Trump colluded “with Russia”. There is plenty of evidence that Trump has cozy relationships with unsavory Russian businessmen and criminal types, and that is where Don Jr’s actions seem to fall. Trump’s ties to Russians are certainly not “treason”, likely not even illegal, but, on the other hand, are another moral stain on a man who is obviously a grifter, and very likely the most criminal, corrupt man we have ever elected President. Even the Kennedys had more shame and common sense than Trump.

        Peter Akuleyev

        July 12, 2017 at 5:50 am

      • “That’s very carefully phrased. “Foreign adversary”. That means Dowd has met with foreign officials to get oppo. Just not a “foreign adversary,” whatever the hell that means.”

        Important distinction. The Clinton campaign colluded with the Ukrainian government for oppo research against Trump. But they’re not an “adversary” so I guess it’s OK.

        Mike Street Station

        July 12, 2017 at 7:13 am

    • Actually, from my viewpoint, it’s the Democrats, the Deep state and the MSM who have caused the unprecedented turmoil with their Russia, Russia, Russia nonsense.

      Naive moves (as detailed by Lion) by non-politicians? Sure. Anything more? Sorry, it’s been nearly a year. If the finest investigators of first the Dems, then the never-Trumpers, and most recently the FBI/NSA/CIA have found zilch, then how does a reasonable, non-partisan person respond?

      It’s been pointed out by responsible persons that this crazed Russia conspiracy theory has already compromised the security of the nation. Who’s fault is that? Russia? Don’t think so.

      The winner may be Russia, but we all know who the culprits are.

      gda

      July 11, 2017 at 7:38 pm

    • “A foreign national shall not, directly or indirectly, make a contribution or a donation of money… in connection with any Federal, State, or local election.”

      Yet Hillary Clinton’s website (like Barack Obama’s before her) accepted money from anyone, even using fake credit card information. How do I know? Because I did it (both times). I gave $1.00 with a real credit card number, yet EVERY other piece of information was fake. Like name, “Dick Hurts,” address “123 Fake Street,” wrong expiration dates. EVERYTHING wrong, but they took my dollar! So in other words, any foreign national could easily donate to Clinton’s campaign. You could NOT do the same with Trump because his site used standard security checks (as did Romney’s). Which, by the way, are default and you have to DELIBERATELY turn them off.

      The press has never been interested in this little bit of information.

      peterike

      July 11, 2017 at 8:47 pm

      • The de facto leader of Saudi bragged he donated to Hillary’s campaign.

        http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-13/saudi-arabia-has-funded-20-hillarys-presidential-campaign-saudi-crown-prince-claims

        Maybe that’s bogus, but it says everything that this hasn’t been investigated.

        The Russia thing is bogus. Boo hoo, they may have hacked some emails which showed the Dems rigged the election against Bernie. Let me count my tears.

        Sid

        July 11, 2017 at 9:31 pm

      • The fact that the Obama campaign websites were accepting fraudulent credit card information was covered in the conservative blogosphere pretty thoroughly both in 2008 and 2012, but it made no difference. They knew there would never be an investigation. That’s the power of the deep state, when you can violate the law in full view of everyone and know you’re in the clear.

        Mike Street Station

        July 12, 2017 at 7:19 am

  4. I have no idea what this means for Don Jr. legally, but politically it sure looks damaging. Even if it ultimately led to nothing, the email chain has some unfortunate quotes that make a lot of the wilder Trump-Russia allegations more credible.

    I heard somebody the other day saying that unlike the White House & NatSec, Mueller’s team hadn’t leaked anything – which was supposed to show their hardcore investigative integrity – but I don’t see who else this could have come from.

    Richard

    July 11, 2017 at 6:47 pm

  5. http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/the-administration/341461-opinion-don-jrs-russia-meeting-wasnt-collusion-just

    Jonathan Turley thinks there’s no actual crime here. HOWEVER, he quotes disapprovingly a lot of liberal and NeverTrump law scholars & lawyers who are foaming at the mouth to charge Donald Trump Jr. with various crimes, which I think points to the political problem. There’s an army of liberal judges and prosecutors out there, and even if cooler heads eventually prevail we could be in for rough water as all these sharks swarm in to take their piece. It already happened with the travel ban.

    Richard

    July 11, 2017 at 7:05 pm

    • HOWEVER, he quotes disapprovingly a lot of liberal and NeverTrump law scholars & lawyers who are foaming at the mouth to charge Donald Trump Jr. with various crimes, which I think points to the political problem. There’s an army of liberal judges and prosecutors out there, and even if cooler heads eventually prevail we could be in for rough water as all these sharks swarm in to take their piece. It already happened with the travel ban.

      Trump won the travel ban case and judging by the special elections voters don’t care about Russia.

      Trump can end the investigation distraction with pardons of all his advisors and closing the special counsel’s office. The Left will howl, but if he does closes the case in the near future no voter will remember Russia by the midterms.

      Firing Mueller – More Thoughts on Going Gingrich on the Special Counsel

      https://pragmaticallydistributed.wordpress.com/2017/06/14/firing-mueller-more-thoughts-on-going-gingrich-on-the-special-counsel/

      The Undiscovered Jew

      July 11, 2017 at 7:37 pm

  6. This was really dumb. Don Jr. should have known better. He is educated and business savvy enough to know about the importance of avoiding paper trails. A simple phone call to the Russkies could have avoided this.

    B.T.D.T.

    July 11, 2017 at 7:13 pm

  7. In my everyday goings-about, not counting online stuff, the number of times anyone’s brought up all this Trump scandal stuff is precisely zero.

    Peter

    ironrailsironweights

    July 11, 2017 at 7:31 pm

  8. Lion– the Brooks column on class and ensuing discussion/controversy is right smack in the center of your wheelhouse. It demands a post! Sailer has his take up…

    anon

    July 11, 2017 at 7:42 pm

  9. It serves to confirm the collusion narrative to some degree (or rather a willingness to collude when given the opportunity). No doubt it’s a political victory for the left that allows them to talk about Russia non-stop (which they’re doing anyway). Ultimately it’s really about an (over) eagerness on the part of Trump Jr to receive dirt on the opposition during an election campaign. There isn’t a massive conspiracy (he was set up, he took the bait).

    Look, I know the Dems think the key to beating Republicans is trying to prove the election results were illegitimate. What they really need to do is ease off the blue collar white bashing — which they simply can’t stop doing. Their bruised egos won’t let them.

    Every day is going to be war with the left and its minions in the press. All things considered, I don’t think this Russian tourette’s syndrome is playing nearly as well with the electorate as CNN/NPR/NYTimes/WAPO/NewYorker types believe.

    If anything, my seething hatred of the press is metastasizing.

    SWPL2

    July 11, 2017 at 8:30 pm

    • Those of us on the right who are cognizant of reality and not playing “Gracious Loser” to the left are well aware that we only are permitted to exist by virtue of the first amendment.
      But damn if the media’s incessant jockeying for scandal over the non-issue of another nation trying to influence the American election (newsflash: All nations that can, will) isn’t making me wish that Trump comes down hard on the treasonous media.

      Panther of the Blogocube

      July 12, 2017 at 12:04 am

      • “Treasonous media”. Very well said.

        SWPL2

        July 12, 2017 at 11:28 am

  10. Trump has lost about 2.5 approval points since the Comey firing. Comey/Russia has had real effects but they have been relatively small. Also, it may very well be the case that Trump would have lost those popularity points anyway.

    In the long run, this Russia stuff isn’t going to hurt Trump. I suspect the media will give it up after the midterms. However, health care potentially could hurt Trump. Hopefully nothing of substance gets passed in terms of healthcare.

    Otis the Sweaty

    July 11, 2017 at 8:38 pm

  11. Mostly what this shows is how dumb Trump Jr is.

    It also shows how bad the Trump team is at lying.

    Only the Trump useful idiots believe any of the Trump team denials anymore.

    It is seriously hard for me to believe that the clowns around Trump could actually pull off any collusion with the Russians, but they sure are acting guilty.

    mikeca

    July 11, 2017 at 8:42 pm

    • What are you talking about? Trump Jr. isn’t denying anything. He’s saying “Yeah, I set up a meeting with this lady hoping for some juicy information that might help defeat that evil b*tch Hillary and help my father win for the good of the nation and the American people. But she had nothing to offer, was not connected to the Kremlin and I never spoke to her again after our nothing meeting. Oh, and here’s my full email chain which attests to the same.”

      Andrew E.

      July 11, 2017 at 9:27 pm

      • Only Trump Jr would be dumb enough to take a meeting with a Russian government lawyer offering dirt on Hillary Clinton.

        Only Trump Jr would be dumb enough to release the emails that show he tried to collude with the Russian government after denying it for months.

        Now Trump Jr story is, yeah I tried to collude with the Russians government but I failed because the Russian bitch didn’t have any dirt on Clinton. Given that everything Trump Jr has said about this meeting up to today was a lie, why should anyone believe anything he says now.

        mikeca

        July 11, 2017 at 10:12 pm

      • “Given that everything Trump Jr has said about this meeting up to today was a lie”

        He never even talked about the meeting until two days ago.

      • You keep inserting “Russian government” and “collusion” into every sentence regardless of the situation or the facts or the context. This is why we will keep winning. Please, never stop.

        Andrew E.

        July 11, 2017 at 10:26 pm

      • “He never even talked about the meeting until two days ago.”

        That may be true of Trump Jr, he does not talk much. The Trump team has denied that any meeting like this happened. Jared Kushner failed to disclose this meeting on he application for a security clearance.

        “You keep inserting “Russian government” and “collusion” into every sentence regardless of the situation or the facts or the context.”

        I can guarantee you if people on the Hillary Clinton team had done something like this, Republicans would not be using the word collusion. They would be using the T-word.

        mikeca

        July 11, 2017 at 10:54 pm

      • A meeting like what?

        Russia is not our enemy. The Cold War ended in 1991. It’s not illegal to talk to someone who happens to be a Russian citizen. Nor is it suspicious.

        The only KNOWN collusion between a presidential campaign and the Russians is Hillary Clinton’s campaign. There was an anti-Trump dossier that was created with help from Russians.

      • “Russia is not our enemy. The Cold War ended in 1991. It’s not illegal to talk to someone who happens to be a Russian citizen. Nor is it suspicious.”

        You are naive if you think Russia is a friend of the USA. Russia wants to diminish the role of the USA on the world stage. Russia is one of the few countries that has invaded another country in Europe since WW II.

        Trump Jr took a meeting with someone he through was a representative of the Russian government who he thought had dirt on Hillary Clinton.

        What was he expecting the Russians to ask in return?

        Didn’t he understand that simply taking this meeting compromised every member of the Trump team that attended?

        In fact I wonder if the latest revelations are coming from the Russians as a reminder to Trump that he is compromised and the Russians could spill the beans on him at any moment if he does not co-operate.

        mikeca

        July 12, 2017 at 12:23 am

      • “I can guarantee you if people on the Hillary Clinton team had done something like this, Republicans would not be using the word collusion. They would be using the T-word.”

        They did, with The Ukraine.

        Mike Street Station

        July 12, 2017 at 8:31 am

    • “Only the Trump useful idiots believe any of the Trump team denials anymore,” etc.

      You’re remarkably succinct and belligerent today, Mike. Where’s the nuanced, soporific 1500-word NPR-lite fake news essay you usually inflict on us? Drunk posting?

      Mostly what this shows is the naiveté of Trump Jr.

      It also shows how bad the Trump Administration is at lying [H9BF: and this is a bad thing how?]

      Only idiots suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome care about Trump team denials anymore; the rest of the nation has moved on, even most Clinton voters.

      It is seriously hard for me to believe that the clowns in the fakestream media could actually prove any collusion with the Russians, but they sure are acting like useful idiots.

      hard9bf

      July 12, 2017 at 4:26 pm

  12. I do see that the Mainstream Media found some shysters to proclaim that speech is a “thing of value,” so Trump Jr committed a crime.They think we’re too dumb to look up “thing”: an inanimate, material object.

    Mark Caplan

    July 11, 2017 at 9:27 pm

    • Just forcing us to talk about whether Trump’s son committed a prosecutable crime is a victory for them.

      Richard

      July 11, 2017 at 10:23 pm

  13. I’ve got Russian fatigue. I just don’t care about it any more.

    Rosenmops

    July 11, 2017 at 11:50 pm

    • You and every other American. Other than eye-rolls and mockery at the Russian Collusion fake news story, I literally never hear any discussion of it in meatspace.

      hard9bf

      July 12, 2017 at 4:32 pm

  14. I think this whole scandal will follow Trump throughout the rest of his term…his skeleton

    Madekesiworld

    July 12, 2017 at 1:07 am

  15. And WP headlines : White house plunges into chaos. Exactly the same wording that Scott Adams showed the democrat and the press to use. Someone should commect all headlines with Chaos from the press and put it into perspective. It is really awfull. I’ve been pushed to appreciate him because of the ridiculously biased press.

    Bruno

    July 12, 2017 at 5:35 am

  16. I agree with Lion here. Look, everyone is trying to intellectualize this in hindsight. This was way, way before any of the anti-Russia hysteria started. DJT or Jr. are not intellectuals looking to help Russia establish a New Roman Empire in Russia. Basically, he got an email from someone he knows that there is dirt on HRC. He saw it and didn’t think twice before setting up a meeting. That’s basically all that is going through his mind.

    This is why most conspiracy theories are so stupid once they are out in the open. Basically, they try to get into the minds of people making decisions with short time horizons. Podesta operated in a similar manner. Yes, he’s a truly awful globalist in the contemporary sense of the word. But, if he saw an opening to hit Trump, he basically took it without too much thinking, as most political operatives would do.

    Jr. is not a political operative but basically thought, “Hey, this guy has some dirt. Let’s set up a meeting.” That’s pretty much it.

    Again, if this is what Comey gave the NYT (and it looks like it is according to this: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-07-12/former-doj-official-trump-jr-didnt-commit-crime) and this is the best that they have, my response is “meh”. Jr. acted in a way that someone with no history in politics was going to act.

    JerseGuy

    July 12, 2017 at 8:19 am


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