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Too much girl power in Game of Thrones season 7?

Cersei is in charge of King’s Landing

Daenerys Targaryen is in charge of the huge fleet invading Westeros.

Even her most powerful warrior, Grey Worm, seems to take orders from the mulatto girl.

Arya Stark is kicking ass and killing all of her enemies.

Jon Snow is nominally in charge of the North, but he’s being bossed around by his kid half-sister Sansa.

He has a little-girl vassal, Lady Lyanna Mormont, who asserts her girl-power over her grandfather.

Brienne of Tarth is the most powerful sword-fighter.

Euron Greyjoy is in charge of a powerful military without any women telling him how to run things, but he’s shown to be a big doofus. And he’s a little too desperate to get Cersei to marry him. I fear that if he actually succeeds in that, it’s going to be a very Pyrrhic victory.

Only Sandor “the Hound” Clegane is a real man free, for the moment, from female control.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

July 17, 2017 at 10:43 am

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  1. You leave out the worst of it.

    Last night they decided that they would need to put girls in combat in order to defeat the White Walkers. Jon Snow said they couldn’t win if they didn’t utilize the skills of half the population, which is basically a feminist canard about society and the participation of women in the military and business.

    The little nine year-old girl in the north who is tougher than all the men who wants to grow up and be a warrior.

    The girls in Dorne who murdered the king there and his son and are now running the place. Has a female conspiracy ever killed off male rivals and taken power? I mean, there have been queens, but women in groups tend not to do the whole intrigue and cabal thing.

    It’s all too much. Once they got away from Martin’s books it seems like the writers became finally able to indulge all this nonsense.

    Jeremy Cooper

    July 17, 2017 at 10:51 am

    • You’ll love Atomic Blonde. One woman stomps and kills scores of men. At least according to the trailer.

      gothamette

      July 17, 2017 at 1:48 pm

    • Has a female conspiracy ever killed off male rivals and taken power?

      [Byzantine] Empress Irene – had her son(!) Constantine VI’s eyes gouged out and crowned herself Empress. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irene_of_Athens

      Queen Isabella [of England] – Invaded England from France and overthrew her husband Edward II, whom she had anally impaled with a red-hot poker, then ruled as de facto monarch (technically in the name of her son Edward III). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isabella_of_France

      [Chinese] Empress Dowager Cixi – Kept several successive titular Emperors under house arrest while she ruled in their names. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empress_Dowager_Cixi

      Cleopatra – Convinced Julius Caesar to execute one of her brothers (both of whom were also her husband – eek) and had the other one poisoned. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleopatra

      And there are plenty of other examples. All-female conspiracies of course never happened AFAIK.

      snorlax

      July 17, 2017 at 2:03 pm

      • Catherine the Great had her husband, the Russian king, imprisoned and murdered, and IMO is a better example than most of these. Isabella, for example, was under the domination of her lover Roger Mortimer, and Cleopatra was just a vassal of Roman interests who landed on the wrong square in a Roman civil war.

        A common thread in “female conspiracies” is that the Queen seizing power is a figurehead for what we would now call Deep State interests. Female-orchestrated coups are court intrigues, not popular revolutions.

        Richard

        July 18, 2017 at 11:04 am

    • Littlefinger, the mastermind of the events in seasons 1-3, has been reduced to a punching bag that exists only so that other characters can look better.

      Dude is the only reason Ramsay Snow isn’t the king of the north and everybody is shitting on him.

      Rotten

      July 17, 2017 at 2:09 pm

      • Littlefinger is nothing more than a beta orbiter with an army at this point.

        Jeremy Cooper

        July 17, 2017 at 3:18 pm

    • And yeah, Jon’s grrl power speech was preposterous writer soapboxing. There’s a reasonableish argument for female soldiers, at least as a desperation measure, in the age of firearms. But late medieval combat? 10-year-old girls are supposed to wear 60 lbs of chainmail or 90 of plate armor, and carry a 30 lb pike (or even 4 lb broadsword and 10 lb shield)? Which btw you try to force through the other guy’s armor before he does the same to you. Even Jon’s suggestion of recruiting elderly men and boys was absurd.

      It’s funny, because previously the show was relatively realistic about this stuff. Brienne of Tarth is plausible explained as a physical freak of nature, Arya has magical powers, Ygritte used a bow (archers needed a lot of upper-body strength too but I’ll let it slide) and the Sand Snakes are the Poochies of the show but at least their MO is to kill unsuspecting, unarmed metrosexuals and cripples from behind.

      snorlax

      July 17, 2017 at 3:01 pm

      • “the Sand Snakes are the Poochies of the show but at least their MO is to kill unsuspecting, unarmed metrosexuals and cripples from behind.”

        You should write for a review site. That’s good copy!

        peterike

        July 17, 2017 at 5:03 pm

  2. It’s a way to garner critical approval (there’s been a major drop in quality over the seasons but the critics still love the show) and while maybe it doesn’t attract an audience it certainly doesn’t turn people off in large numbers.

    Overall I liked the premier largely because while I’m sick of almost all the characters there hasn’t been enough of any of them yet to make me really feel that yet plus they gave the least amount of time to my least favorite, Daenerys. I’m probably going to finish the show but I certainly wouldn’t have started watching if it were this quality.

    Magnavox

    July 17, 2017 at 11:02 am

    • Magnavox is right that the show has gotten worse. They caught up with Martin’s books and can’t come up with good writing on their own so I guess the feminist thing is a way to distract from that. I always thought the feminist angle might be trying to deflect from the heavily white cast as well. Either way the show sucks now. Part of its original charm was how it subverted typical fantasy cliches, now it’s using those same cliches but just making them about women instead of men. HBO has hit a rough patch. Westworld was dragged down by this same feminist drivel. Silicon Valley sucks and will only get worse now that Erlich is gone. The Golden Age of TV is coming to an end.

      Jean Ralphio

      July 17, 2017 at 12:58 pm

  3. And Dr. Who will be a woman in the next re-incarnation.

    mikeca

    July 17, 2017 at 11:17 am

  4. When you put it like that…

    I guess I hadn’t noticed how girl power centric the show had become since the changes seemed to have come about organically. Cersei literally ran out of children to take the throne, so her ascension seems natural. However as “Jeremy Cooper” pointed out, the adding of women to military training for the north is ridiculous. Who is going to provide the logistic support? And women hoisting medieval pikes…it would be like that you tube video of the woman firefighter training.

    Mike Street Station

    July 17, 2017 at 11:26 am

  5. Too much girl power in Game of Thrones season 7?

    Ellen Ripley’s place as the queen bee of all grrrrlll power is safe.

    The Undiscovered Jew

    July 17, 2017 at 11:40 am

    • I rewatched Aliens the other day, and was struck by how well it holds up. The special effects still look fantastic, it being a megabudget production at the peak of practical effects technology but one of the last before CGI was viable. The multiethnic/gender squad of space marines is very Current Year, even their banter (IIRC the butch Latina is teased as being an “illegal immigrant” at one point). Although you probably couldn’t get away with casting a Jewish woman in black hair dye and bronzer in a Latina part nowadays. Even the fashions look current, although that’s helped by the 80’s coming back in style and everyone dressing in business or military attire.

      And Ripley is a fantastic action hero without doing any physical feats that seem implausible for an athletic woman in her thirties, except for the resolution to the climax which is implausible for ideal gas law-related rather than male vs female-related reasons.

      Besides the famous actors’ ages the only thing that really dates the movie are all the scan-line CRT screens with 80’s-riffic graphics.

      snorlax

      July 17, 2017 at 3:33 pm

      • Oh and also the 2-minute countdown that goes on for at least 10 minutes, though that too hasn’t anything to do with Ripley’s sex.

        snorlax

        July 17, 2017 at 3:41 pm

      • The special effects still look fantastic, it being a megabudget production at the peak of practical effects technology but one of the last before CGI was viable.

        80s practical effects are usually more realistic than today’s ridiculous CGI. About the mid-90s is when movie effects collapsed in quality due to CGI.

        Even the fashions look current, although that’s helped by the 80’s coming back in style and everyone dressing in business or military attire.

        The 80s was a big improvement. Fashion in 70s movies looks bizarre and the actors usually look like they’re coked up or shooting heroin.

        And Ripley is a fantastic action hero without doing any physical feats that seem implausible for an athletic woman in her thirties,

        Yes, she dominates Aliens because her action sequences are realistic for a woman – she initially acts as an advisor who lets the soldiers do the heavy fighting. She initiates more action on her own only as the soldiers are gradually killed off, though she still shares most of the other stunts with the android and remaining soldier.

        And in the original Alien her stunts looked plausible because she was only trying to escape the Alien, not perform complex acrobatics fighting it.

        except for the resolution to the climax which is implausible for ideal gas law-related rather than male vs female-related reasons.

        Well you can’t expect strict adherence to scientific laws in movies.

        Just be glad Cameron nailed character development.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        July 17, 2017 at 8:24 pm

      • The end of Aliens where Ripley was hanging onto the ladder with the Alien Queen on her ankle… that would have been a tad difficult to believe even if a fully grown man was doing it (but hey she hooks her elbow over the rung of the ladder!).

        Tarl

        July 18, 2017 at 9:16 am

  6. This is very disappointment to hear. Season 6 was ruined by this stuff and it sounds like there is even more of it in season 7.

    CamelCaseRob

    July 17, 2017 at 12:10 pm

  7. I think the approach to the women in the series is rather realistic. Only 2 female characters get their power by actual fighting (Arya and Brienne). The rest don’t fight at all and get their power through diplomacy and intrigue. Whereas for the men it is the opposite. All the men save for Littlefinger and the Eunuch get their power through their fighting.

    chris

    July 17, 2017 at 12:20 pm

  8. I noticed it last season. I don’t have much interest in watching this season. I get sicker and sicker of this trope as it ages. Also sick of the gay sex, though that might have been toned down last season, can’t remember now.

    I do think that if GRRM ever finished the books, they would not have gone so far in this direction. While he’s something of a liberal, I think GRRM has a genuine interest in medievalism, with understanding the values of previous ages, to give them a hearing rather than cast all of them as unenlightened barbarians, and to not just stick people with modern worldviews into a pseudo-medieval fantasy world, as happens in much of fantasy.

    Part of the reactionary project is to understand how people used viewed the world, to step outside of the decadent thinking that pervades our society. The books, at least the first few, aren’t bad as an examination of medieval values, which have flaws of their own but are largely free of the decadence we see around us.

    Look at Stannis. He’s basically the conservative stand-in (along with Ned Stark, for a different sort of conservative). He believes in honor, discipline, following the rules lest chaos ensue, and hates sycophantic scheming politicians. He is the true king, by right, and believes in fulfilling his duty, although he does not particularly covet power (at least not as much as many of his competitors).

    In the books, he was flawed but admirable. In the show, he was a half-mad villain. The show-runners flat-out don’t understand the Stannis worldview at all. GRRM gets it, because it’s basically just the worldview of a conservative medieval lord, a stern man who is trying to do right by the values of his time, and who judges harshly those who fail to do the same.

    Wency

    July 17, 2017 at 12:22 pm

    • Good insights. They have toned down the gay angle, which did seem to be the main liberal preaching point of the earlier seasons.

      Jean Ralphio

      July 17, 2017 at 1:01 pm

      • No gay stuff so far.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        July 17, 2017 at 1:03 pm

      • I thought the liberal preaching point of earlier seasons was that GoT was racist.

        Tarl

        July 17, 2017 at 3:27 pm

      • “No gay stuff so far.”

        Judging by the previews, there’s some girl-on-girl gayness coming down the pike.

        peterike

        July 17, 2017 at 5:06 pm

      • Lesbian kissing in preview of EP. 2, though this is somewhat mitigated by the fact (IRRELEVANT TO THE PLOT SPOILER ALERT) Daenerys cute mulatto hand maiden has what is being described as an epic nude scene in the same episode.

        PerezHBD

        July 17, 2017 at 9:38 pm

    • I always loved Stannis, but I read a few of the books before seeing the show.

      Everyone I’ve talked to doesn’t like Stannis, maybe because they are liberals?

      jjbees

      July 17, 2017 at 7:02 pm

    • Stannis was, to me, the most logical choice to sit on the Iron Throne for all the reasons you mentoned. He had a legitimate claim to the throne, he was a disciplined military man, and knew how to lead. Of course, there was that crazy cult thing…

      Mike Street Station

      July 18, 2017 at 6:43 am

  9. Yup, very true. They are going whole hog down the grrrrllllll power road. It’s a bit ridiculous, but what can you expect? It’s the Current Year.

    Other comment: they really overdid the scenes of that fat guy emptying out the bed pans and heaving. Yeah, one or maybe two, we get it. But over and over and over. Poor directorial choice.

    peterike

    July 17, 2017 at 12:32 pm

    • “They are going whole hog down the grrrrllllll power road. It’s a bit ridiculous, but what can you expect? It’s the Current Year.”

      It’s just frustrating that the Left must hunt down and destroy every last traditionally male space. We have to have a female Dr. Who; female Ghostbusters, female rabbis and priests; female Navy Seals; and so on.

      fortaleza84

      July 17, 2017 at 2:50 pm

  10. American girls have many inspiring role models in the amoral nihilistic Sword and Sorcery epic. Yay!
    #Winning #ShePersisted #GrrlPower

    Tarl

    July 17, 2017 at 12:34 pm

  11. Lion,

    I was surprised TJ Miller left Silicon Valley. Do you think he’ll regret that or is he getting out at the right time?

    Jean Ralphio

    July 17, 2017 at 1:11 pm

    • The show won’t be funny without him.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      July 17, 2017 at 1:33 pm

    • The writing of SV has really gone downhill too. They have run out of ideas and a lot of the humor is getting cruder because the show has to get laughs somehow. Now that Miller is gone it is really going to suck.

      Some of the stuff in the most recent season was funny, like the “blood boy.” But 90% of the gags were recycled, like Big Head becoming a Stanford professor, etc.

      I don’t blame the writers for this — it’s hard to keep coming up with content for a show like Silicon Valley. Most of what can be done, has probably already been done. The show is successful so they are trying to keep it going, even though they’ve run out of material. But the fact is that the quality has greatly declined.

      Joe Schmoe

      July 17, 2017 at 2:34 pm

      • At this point the start up should have already either succeeded or broken up. They are spinning their wheels and keeping them in the house to recycle plots.

        It would have been more interesting for them to move on and have Richard be CEO of a growing company, trying to deal with realistic problems that come from that like Gavin warned him about “your company will become just like mine but with your name at the top”. Whether it would be funny or entertaining is in doubt (how do you show the difficulties of a CEO staying in the loop once you are past the Dunbar number), but it would have been an ambitious show and Mike Judge is certainly the kind who might have been up to the task.

        asdf

        July 21, 2017 at 11:45 am

  12. I think part of the problem is that the show got a lot of criticism for having a lot of female nudity. So going “grrl power” is a way of deflecting that criticism.

    fortaleza84

    July 17, 2017 at 2:07 pm

  13. Lady Lyanna Mormont’s grandfather is probably dead. He doesn’t appear in the series at least. And her uncle Jeor (former Lord Commander of the Night’s Watch, cousin Jorah (the guy friend-zoned by the Mother of Dragons) and her mother Maege, all ruled House Mormont before Lyanna, so i doubt there’s some old Mormont patriarch running around.

    Jimbonobo

    July 17, 2017 at 2:58 pm

  14. I hate the girlpower stuff that shows women being as physically kickass as men. It just doesn’t work that way in real life. A fit 70 year old man can outcompete a strong female. Yes, Lion, I’ve seen this doing trail work. We had a very strong, 5’10” woman on my team, and she simply could not lift what those old dudes could lift, even though they were less than what they were at 40.

    That said, there have been quite a few female warrior queens in history. Look ’em up.

    gothamette

    July 17, 2017 at 2:58 pm

    • there have been quite a few female warrior queens in history

      Their role was ceremonial and inspirational, not sword-swinging and skull-splitting.

      Tarl

      July 17, 2017 at 3:21 pm

      • Right. Joan of Arc was one such.

        Modernity, strangely, has had a bad effect on female leadership.

        gothamette

        July 19, 2017 at 11:33 am

  15. I only care about CLEGANBOWL!

    Everything else is meaningless.

    fakeemail

    July 17, 2017 at 4:14 pm

  16. You left out a big one. At the end of last season, Theon Greyjoy declared Yara as the rightful Queen of the Iron Islands. There’s no doubt this is deliberate. Maybe the intended audience was women? It certainly wasn’t aimed at men with all that sodomy in the previous seasons. I’m assuming that’s for women. At only 3% of the population, homos obviously weren’t the target audience. Then, again, the shows have been on a mission to put homos in every series.

    destructure

    July 17, 2017 at 8:35 pm

    • Theon Greyjoy was castrated by Ramsay (Snow) Bolton. Before that, he would have declared himself king. After that – no way. He was a broken man.

      MEH 0910

      July 17, 2017 at 9:46 pm

      • Theon was castrated by RR Martin. Martin could have written it any way he wanted.

        Martin also had Doran Martell killed by his nieces. That puts women in charge of Dorne as well.

        destructure

        July 18, 2017 at 10:33 am

  17. Game of Thrones is packed with lazy deus ex machina writing and mostly risible and/or unrealistic characters. If you’re rocking an IQ supra 115, it will insult your intelligence about every four minutes.

    In light of your obsession with avoiding proleness, Lion, I have no idea why you watch this uber prole bilge.

    hard9bf

    July 18, 2017 at 12:47 pm

  18. Game of Thrones has topnotch production values, great special FX (as good as any movie), mostly excellent acting, and………. nothing else.

    IOW, it’s the sort of flash-and-trash loved by proles.

    hard9bf

    July 18, 2017 at 12:51 pm

  19. I agree. Perhaps you can give us your interpretation of Tess of the D’urbervilles.

    gothamette

    July 18, 2017 at 1:43 pm

  20. The biggest threat is literally a blue eyed, white devil. (pic)

    And right after them the blond Lannisters, coincidence? I think not!

    I hear the bogey man is also white now in the US, you better chew that broccoli fast junior, or the honky will get you!

    guest

    July 18, 2017 at 5:50 pm

  21. Yes, the GOT girl-power thing is getting kind of laughable now.
    Another aspect is that nearly all of the male characters have some sort of physical/mental/social defect;

    Tyrion – dwarf
    Grey Worm, Varys, Theon – emasculated
    Jamie – disabled
    Jorah – Grey Scale disease
    Bran – crippled
    Sandor – scarred
    The Mountain – zombie lackey

    Those are just off the top of my head.
    Even Jon Snow seems notched down to indecisive beta male status this season.

    Anyways, so long and there’s plenty of dragons and boobies…

    Guest

    July 26, 2017 at 9:34 am


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