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White working class in NY Times op-ed

Found in a NY Times op-ed, an excerpt from a book by Joan C. Williams:

[For working class whites] valuing hard work means having the rigid self-discipline to do a menial job you hate for 40 years, and reining yourself in so you don’t “have an attitude” (i.e., so that you can submit to authority). Hard work for elites is associated with self-actualization; “disruption” means founding a successful start-up. Disruption, in working class jobs, just gets you fired.

It’s in line with stuff I’ve previously written on my blog. Both the parts about how the elites have self-actualizing jobs, and that elite values are bad for the working class. I wonder if Joan C. Williams is a reader? (Besides Lion, no one else uses the term self-actualizing job.)

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A short while ago I wrote:

Prole whites have genetically lower IQs and lower self-control compared to elite whites. (A fact not acknowledged by elite whites who don’t believe in genetic IQ, nor is it even acknowledged very much by commenters on HBD blogs.)

Despite these genetic shortcomings, the prole whites have the WISDOM to realize they’d be better off if some external force imposed stricter behavior on them. The elite whites don’t understand this, because they are already born with genes that give them internal self-control, so they don’t need it imposed by outside forces.

I haven’t read Joan C. Williams’ book, but I would guess with close to 100% certainty that she doesn’t mention anywhere that lower-class whites have, on average, genetically lower IQs than elite whites.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

July 20, 2017 at 7:22 am

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  1. (Besides Lion, no one else uses the term self-actualizing job.)

    We’ve been through this already when I’d pointed out that the literal translation of this expression has been used in other languages since forever.

    For example, Hebrew: הגשמה עצמית. There are books how to achieve it for young and old.

    Can it be that you are the only one using it in English? Unless you gonna say that Jews have an extremely high need to self actualize, which I think is true. But this need cannot be restricted to the Hebrew speaking Jews exclusively as you yourself is a prime example.

    Yakov

    July 20, 2017 at 8:08 am

    • The concept is understood by the elites, but the actual term “self-actualizing job” is mine. (The novelty is in turning the more common but still not-that-common verb “self-actualize” into a participle.)

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      July 20, 2017 at 8:14 am

      • I’d thought the novelty was turning your occupation into a self-actualizing job?

        Yakov

        July 20, 2017 at 8:35 am

    • “Unless you gonna say that Jews have an extremely high need to self actualize, which I think is true”.

      And this is the reason, which why I don’t take Yakov seriously, with his prole trade.

      You meant to say among the proles in America, Jews are more in self actualizing fields than non-Jews, which is true. I’ve met quite a number of Jewish professors, who grew up in working class families. This is less common, among the Italian and Irish proles (especially Italians). And for MaryK, most Italian/Irish mixes are of the lower classes, not the upper classes.

      JS

      July 20, 2017 at 9:14 am

      • Jews have higher genetic IQ, on average.

      • HBD: I would say it isn’t always about IQ, but other genetic disposition like openness. Perhaps Ashkenazim who have a combination of high IQ with traces of Semitic ancestry, gives them this urge to self actualize.

        Spain was ranked #1 as a nation with the most individualistic people having an independent and a disagreeable streak, this type of personality, which would encourage one to do things that are “different” “self actualizing” “prone to openness” than rote tasks for its own sake. Spain is a country founded by Semites.

        Israel was also ranked high, but not as high.

        East Asian, Confucian based, countries rank bottom on this measure.

        White gentiles of Northern European ancestry are known to be disagreeable and open as well, but they tend to get into more reckless behaviors than Southern Europeans who are more grounded — given the fact that alcoholism/binge drinking is much more prevalent among Northern Europeans, but almost non-existent among Southern Europeans and Jews.

        JS

        July 20, 2017 at 12:18 pm

      • A note to JS about his remark that “Spain is a country founded by Semites.” That is demonstrably false. Semites are but one element in the Spanish gene pool. Large parts of Spain were originally Celtic (e.g., Galicia, Asturias), and other parts were Basque. Then came the Phoenicians and their descendants, the Carthaginians. The name “Spain”, in fact, is derived from the Phoenician word for rabbits, which were apparently plentiful in Bronze Age Iberia. Then came the Romans – the Spanish language is a descendant of Latin. Then came barbarian groups like the Vandals, the Visigoths, the Alans and the Suevi. Then came the Muslim invasion, but the Moors were as much Berber as Arab, if not more (thus at least as much Hamitic as Semitic). Some Jews came with the Romans, and others came with the Muslims, but they were never the majority. Early medieval Spanish civilization was a synthesis of Islam, Christianity and Judaism. Eventually, the Christians drove out the Moors and modern Spain was born. A few centuries came the Spanish Inquisition, and we all know who their favorite victims were.

        Jimmy Kangaroo

        July 21, 2017 at 9:09 am

  2. Edsall turns out to be the only NYT columnist worth reading, unless you are reading just for the lulz (Brooks). I think this expresses working class angst fairly well.

    Mike Street Station

    July 20, 2017 at 8:43 am

  3. I’m not going to click the Times link, but this is silly: “for working class whites… valuing hard work means having the rigid self-discipline to do a menial job you hate for 40 years.”

    This is, of course, the self-actualizing person’s view of how working class people view their jobs. Sure, they like to bitch about them, and they often quite rightly complain that they are underpaid (because immigration), but most working class people really don’t mind their jobs, and some actually quite like them.

    The benefit side of lower IQ is that being a waitress at the local diner or working as a carpenter or being a hair stylist in a strip mall or laying tar on a road repair crew, IS a self-actualizing job for you. It’s self-actualizing because it allows you to socialize with your own kind, to shoot the breeze, to have a laugh or two. And it pays the bills.

    What, you think Yakov isn’t self-actualizing putting in HVACs? He flucking loves it. And rightly so.

    Maybe “self-actualizing” really just means “limitless contempt for the working class.”

    peterike

    July 20, 2017 at 9:05 am

    • I like challenges and having had two left hands at 48 years of age HVAC did present a challenge for me. Just look at me now! From a totally useless Jewish city boy I’d mutated into a successful prole! I do ductwork, brazing, soldering, welding, piping, service of every conceivable ac units, steam boilers, water heaters. I’m truly amazing. So to me it was a challenge and tons of fun. If I were younger, I would’ve liked to study electrical and mechanical engineering. These fields are very interesting and they are good for society. They make people’s lives better. These are good fields. Not sure I’m smart enough though.

      Yakov

      July 20, 2017 at 4:48 pm

      • Yakov, I try to expose the up and coming generation of my family (kids, nieces, nephews) to your insight. I think they’d rather fail at college than succeed at a trade, pretty common attitude among the middle class.

        amac78

        July 21, 2017 at 7:34 am

  4. Let’s drive the pessimism run into home plate:

    Your idea of self actualization is out of reach for most of the American public, given the fact that one needs a large sum of money or a high paying career to pursue an interesting life in cities like NYC and SF, where cultural and intellectual capital can be accessed more readily.

    The idea of self actualization is antithesis to American Pragmatism, where money and wealth accumulation are significantly more important/necessary than the values of creativity and ingenuity, unless the latter values can intersect with the former values. Or better, unless, you’re a Toby Milstein with an inherited safety net. Worse, most American women don’t want to be a Toby Milstein, they are along the lines of a Paris Hilton when it comes to money. And these types of women don’t care for men who are self actualizers, unless they have money.

    Self actualization is a bug, not a feature among the American population. Most people around you, aren’t receptive of the idea of doing what you love and not being able to live a life of frivolous consumption. Americans look down on people who have very little money to spend on pleasures, let alone necessities.

    America is one big lie, a complete BS of much ado about nothing!

    JS

    July 20, 2017 at 9:07 am

  5. So you actually believe that IQ would be lower in a group of 100 randomly selected electricians than in 100 randomly selected members of Congress or NGO types?

    Sid

    July 20, 2017 at 9:46 am

    • There is no question about it.

      Yakov

      July 20, 2017 at 11:31 am

      • I wholeheartedly believe that there is an IQ discrimination when it comes to the hiring of blue collar occupations. People who are too smart would be barred from the Police Academy and the firehouse. Smarter people tend to be more disagreeable with the superiors, and this is true among Caucasoids. You probably have to lie about your qualifications/downplay them, if you want to work for the post office, retail work and anything that doesn’t require a college degree.

        JS

        July 20, 2017 at 11:54 am

      • ‘You probably have to lie about your qualifications/downplay them’

        That’s true but on any job you shouldn’t dominate your boss. He’s got to feel that he is smart and competent or you are history.

        Yakov

        July 20, 2017 at 3:53 pm

    • “So you actually believe that IQ would be lower in a group of 100 randomly selected electricians than in 100 randomly selected members of Congress or NGO types?”

      Yes, but IQ isn’t wisdom. In fact, a marginally above average IQ is being just smart enough to fall for the propaganda that comes from even higher IQ people who are duplicitous and have an agenda (e.g. global warming, race doesn’t exist, etc.). To a point, being smarter makes you stupider, given the impact and ubiquity of The Narrative. As the saying goes:

      Stupid people believe A.
      Smart people believe B.
      Really smart people believe A.

      That’s actually a pretty good explanation of our current state.

      peterike

      July 20, 2017 at 12:21 pm

  6. > Disruption, in working class jobs, just gets you fired.

    100% true. That’s why I LMAO when women started to lean in and follow Sheryl Sandberg’s advice. Some of them had their job offers pulled. Sheryl left out that leaning in works better when you went to Harvard, then got an MBA there, was Larry Summers’ protege, then worked at Google.

    ScarletNumber

    July 20, 2017 at 9:50 am

  7. Zack

    July 20, 2017 at 10:17 am

    • Excellent video! This guy surely reads LotB!

      E. Rekshun

      July 21, 2017 at 4:44 am

  8. ‘ i.e., so that you can submit to authority. ‘

    You can add to stupid authority. Not good at that, never was, never will be. Yeah, you can get fired, but you just need that release, you know. Like Ive been with this company for a long time, 10 years with a two year hiatus in between. So what happened? Check this out.

    It was a hot Brooklyn summer day and I was just finishing my lunch in the shade on the street. Our manager pulls over, gets out of the car and goes: ‘Yakov, when did you start your lunch?’ I see red. I mean, who the hell

    Yakov

    July 20, 2017 at 12:11 pm

  9. Any job one needs to pay the bills is not self-actualizing. Big law, private equity, VC, etc. are not self-actualizing and are subject to the same pressures that the author describes for ‘working class whites’, if not worse. Self-actualization is only possible through a career if the person does not need the job for the money, so self actualization through career is, almost exclusively, only available to people with trust funds, women with high-earning spouses, or ‘retired’ people. If you would act differently during your “two weeks notice” period than you do day-in/day-out at your job, you are not self actualizing.

    theoak

    July 20, 2017 at 12:43 pm

    • In short, having fuck-you money.

      Njguy73

      July 20, 2017 at 6:23 pm

    • Most jobs (those working for someone else) are not self actualizing, because there is no autonomy in them. You are at the mercy of the employer. Usually “great companies to work for” in America signify less micromanagement and healthy work/life balance.

      Most certainly, most work in America sucks, and most people in America suck, because most of them are just workaholics and consumption lemmings trapped in a Sisyphean work/play cycle.

      JS

      July 20, 2017 at 9:30 pm

  10. ‘ i.e., so that you can submit to authority. ‘

    You can add to ‘stupid’ authority. Not good at that, never was, never will be. Yeah, you can get fired, but you just need that release, you know. Like I’ve been with this company for a long time, 10 years with a two year hiatus in between. So what happened? Check this out.

    It was a hot Brooklyn summer day and I was just finishing my lunch in the shade on the street. Our manager pulls over, gets out of the car and goes: ‘Yakov, when did you start your lunch?’ I see red. I mean, who the hell is this guy? So I don’t make a sound, I just grab him by the neck, press him against the wall and start strangling him until he stops struggling. Then I give him some air and release him and he runs away. Wow! Did he ran fast! My boss calls up:
    – Yakov, what happened?! I was planning to take everyone out to a restorant tonight! Why you had to ruin it!?
    – I didn’t know! You hadn’t told me anything about it! Had I known I would not have eaten lunch and would not have needed to choke out the bastard!

    I was fed up of that bastard, so I left. The manager got fired, and the new manager brought me back in. In corporate America they would press charges probably, but proles are much more normal. I ended up apologizing, we shook hands and that was it.

    Yakov

    July 20, 2017 at 1:02 pm

  11. O/T – but related to self actualization and guidos:

    Ex mobster animal finds solace in self actualization by saving animals, some of them are exotic like possums and raccoons. He runs an animal sanctuary in Bensonhurst (of all places) and loves his work. Notice his work setting screams “prole” with his corona lid.

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/good-news/gambino-enforcer-abandons-life-of-crime-to-save-animals/ar-BBEC6P5?li=AAk6ORB&ocid=ientp

    How does he support himself? That’s a good question!

    JS

    July 20, 2017 at 2:03 pm

    • SSDI, EBT, and Medicaid.

      E. Rekshun

      July 20, 2017 at 5:32 pm

  12. Great post, Mr. Lion. Class differences in lifestyles/outcomes are nearly as important as race/ethnic differences.

    GondwanaMan

    July 20, 2017 at 2:10 pm

    • Hobbies have a HBD/racial element to it.

      JS

      July 20, 2017 at 5:17 pm

    • false. you’re the exemplar.

      Beverly HIlls Ninja

      July 20, 2017 at 5:19 pm

  13. It would be nice if an independent journalist who grew up in the Midwest responded to this narrative. It’s corrosive. Coasters are clueless about the Midwest. I still scratch my head about why so many of them choose to live here when they’re done doing drugs and partying in NYC. You can spot the transplants every time, especially the jews

    Yuppies R gay

    July 20, 2017 at 3:57 pm

    • Midwesterners and other flyovers who head to the coasts do so because they hate red state America. That’s why they left. So no, they are not going back. And it doesn’t matter if you’re on the left or right; think Kevin Williamson, the NR writer from small town Texas who wants those communities to die. Do you think he’s ever moving back to red state America?

      Mike Street Station

      July 21, 2017 at 10:00 am

  14. lion is a true believer in the independent effect of genes on psychological traits.

    at the same time he has said, “eugenics is evil.”

    could someone explain how this belief and statement are NOT contradictory?

    maybe “eugenics” means something else to lion?

    Beverly HIlls Ninja

    July 20, 2017 at 5:18 pm

  15. OT: A Tennessee county offers reduced jail time for inmates who undergo vasectomy or Nexplananon implantation. Will this type of program ever become more common?

    http://www.newschannel5.com/news/inmates-given-reduced-jail-time-if-they-get-a-vasectomy

    anon

    July 20, 2017 at 5:55 pm

    • This is one of the most beautiful things that I’ve seen in a long time. But why the men get a vasectomy while the women only get a thing that works for four years? I don’t agree with that. The women need to receive an irreversible sterilization just like men. What’s good for the goose should be good for the gander.

      Yakov

      July 20, 2017 at 10:45 pm

  16. A job cannot be self-actualizing by definition. People with better self-control tend to be less disruptive. I find your post very illogical.

    My Two Cents

    July 20, 2017 at 6:01 pm

  17. In the Soviet of Union we were taught to live work and to chose an occupation that we liked. The sages if the Mishnayos and the Talmud taught no differently. This makes sense to me. Productive work has value in and by itself. On the USSR they taught us that Man evolved through labor and the Talmud teaches that work keeps man from transgressing, stealing and poverty. These things make sense to me. What you mates are talking about makes zero sense. First you have to love work, if you don’t, then who are you?

    Yakov

    July 20, 2017 at 8:24 pm

    • “work ethic” was part of the USSR’s propaganda just as much as it’s part of american propaganda. another similarity is the term “anti-soviet” corresponding to “anti-american”. there’s no such thing as “anti-italian”, etc.

      when people literally ate what they killed no propaganda was necessary. the work ethic comes about only with surplus, the specialization of labor, etc. the difference between work then and work today…

      1. in a large organization the final product is not produced by the individual, and he has little say in what is produced, what service his company performs, etc.

      2. whatever he does it is something specialized. it’s useless to him except as means of exchanging his labor for that of countless others he’ll never meet.

      3. about 80% of work today isn’t work. it accomplishes nothing.

      4. wages haven’t budged in 40 years and inequality is greater than ever.

      “work ethic” has become separated from production. it’s an abstraction. it’s now just code for obedience and ideological conformity. it doesn’t even mean getting things done on time which sometimes takes hard work and long hours and sometimes does not.

      if the soviet union hadn’t been captured by lysenkoism it might’ve won the war. homo sovieticus might’ve been bred. how much richer would cuba be today had there been no US embargo? how much richer if it hadn’t gone commie? yet its per capita GDP (PPP), life expectancy, infant mortality, etc are all still better than mexico’s. it’s one of the richer latin american countries.

      Beverly Hills Ninja

      July 21, 2017 at 12:14 am

      • Now Ninja, you maybe right, maybe 80% of what people do isn’t work. This is interesting to consider, but I do real work and don’t want to do meaningless tasks like Lion or JS. Lion has a stupid job and it drives him nuts. It has no meaning whatsoever for him, so, yeah, Lion is from the 80% that you are talking about it, but he doesn’t have to be. A man needs a real job not a fake job. Going to was my coil, talk to you later.

        Yakov

        July 21, 2017 at 11:03 am

      • You used to work on Wall St, is this not right? All value transference work is fake make work.

        JS

        July 21, 2017 at 2:37 pm

      • JS, I was a programmer. Do you understand what a programmer does?

        Yakov

        July 21, 2017 at 3:32 pm

      • No, I don’t understand what you do. If you write programs so finance guys can rig money, you’re also in the skin.

        JS

        July 21, 2017 at 4:38 pm

  18. Unpaid internships are not self-actualization. European aristocrats and old money elites practiced self-actualization. They invented, perfected and practiced exciting sports, like mountain climbing, fencing and race-car driving. Others, like Charles Darwin, devoted their lives in the pursuit of science, exploration, archeology, etc. Some chose war, politics or the arts.

    American and americanized modern elites on the other hand pretend to be middle class, work unpaid internships or run unprofitable SWPL-businesses and ridiculous startups. I don’t believe that self-actualization is their main motivation.

    They believe that wealth ought to be based on value creation in order to be morally justified. But they know that they haven’t “earned” their wealth in a middle class meritocratic sense. So they are ashamed of their affluence and try to hide it, or at least work hard to make amends, or to give the impression that their wealth is somehow connected to work.

    Ivana, Ivanka and Melania Trump all pretend to be economically independent entrepreneurs and fashion designers.

    Contrarian

    July 20, 2017 at 9:57 pm

  19. Having a job is just so great and the great thing about NYC is that you make money. I took off work tomorrow to do two jobs and finish one. So check it out, I’m not gonna bore you with too many details, but just check out this one. A customer gets a quote to wash a condenser on a roof in Manhattan for $1,700. Lolz! So he wants to know how much I would take to do it. So I say: ‘Gimme $675 cash’. Got the job, doing it tomorrow. Got a small thing in Queens for $250. Plus I finish my thing in BK, so that I can collect my $750. Sunday doing a job for $600 profit. So I’m gonna pocket a tidy $2,250 plus I’m checking out a realy neat installation job. If I can do it, gonna make a lot. Now in Quebec can you have a weekend like this? No way! Only here in NYC. This place is greatest for what it’s all about. This is very simple.

    The funny thing is that my price was so good that the customer is under impression that it was $775! No way! A price is a price – $675 is what he pays now. Next time I’m gonna take more. Maybe $975? Yeah, $975 is good for me. I’ll offer him to either give me a check for $975 or $675 cash. This makes sense for him and no difference to me, I’m just gonna launder the check. Yeah, can pick up extra $200 this way. Win, win situation for everyone and an excellent deal for the customer.

    This is so funny! I used to feel so happy to wash a coil for a $100 and now look at me! One word – AMERICA!

    Now, just don’t get the impression that all coils are like this. I did three coils in BK for $300. Took 2 hours, was pretty easy, but a little twisty. My stupid company wanted $275 a single coil in BK! The customer got someone for $375, but why does he need to pay more if I can do it for $300? It’s bad money for two hours of work? Maybe in Quebec they look down at it, but not in America.

    Yakov

    July 20, 2017 at 11:33 pm

  20. “I define ‘calling’ as follows: the most important thing that you can do in which you would be most difficult to replace. I define ‘occupation’ as the way you put bread on the table. Sometimes these can be the same, but not very often. The most important thing is your calling. Your occupation should support your calling.” – Gary North

    What Dr. North refers to as a “calling” would be “self-actualization.”

    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2006/06/gary-north/whats-your-calling/

    Njguy73

    July 20, 2017 at 11:39 pm

  21. Move over Abraham Maslow, there’s a new self-actualizer in town.

    Scott X

    July 21, 2017 at 12:59 am

  22. Never have I seen so many smart people being so wrong about something so simple. Toby Milstein and her ilk aren’t self-actualizing, they aren’t even living – they are playing childish game of life with seances with Leonard Bernstein and jobs where they don’t put their careers or lives at stake and where there us no price for failure. JS and Lion aren’t self-actualizing and given all the time and money in the world they would just rot away (JS for sure, Lion maybe not). Self-actualization is when you take control of your destiny to the extend allowed by your genes and environment. ‘The Sea Woolf’ is the prime example of a man doing that. A must read, don’t let go if that book, like I’d told you many times in the past. I’m self actualization by breaking mental and physical barriers created by my environment, upbringing and to a lesser extend personality. Obviously you can do it within the realm of your ability only.

    If delivering real life results has no significance this is a joke and not self-actualization or life. Lion, why don’t you just go on a cruse for 10 days, take a break from blogging and enjoy life? Or even better, go to Bahamas where they have all these smart negroes and blog about how they are doing over there. I want your take.

    Yakov

    July 21, 2017 at 8:27 am

  23. I’m surprised that the NYT even acknowledged that class exists. According to their worldview, only various race/gender/sexual orientation/religious/ethnic identities exist. Class doesn’t enter into it.

    This article must have been on one of the back pages that no one reads.

    Fact Checker

    July 21, 2017 at 4:19 pm

    • the dem party is a case of invasion of the body snatchers.

      the aliens are the clintons.

      Beverly Hills Ninja

      July 21, 2017 at 11:50 pm

  24. How are elite values bad for the working class?

    We eat healthy food in moderate portions, we exercise, even if it means going to spin/yoga class, we make life decisions based on long term goals, we marry before having kids, we stay married, we obey the law.

    SC

    July 22, 2017 at 10:53 am


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