Lion of the Blogosphere

Is there a mandate to repeal Obamacare?

Some commenters have said that. “Trump said in every campaign appearance that he was going to repeal Obamacare.” Actually, he always said he was going to repeal and REPLACE Obamacare, and sometimes said he was going to “replace Obamacare with something TERRIFIC.”

I’m sure the people at the rallies imagined that they were going to get Trumpcare that would be better than Obamacare because the website would work a lot better, the deductibles would be lower, and the whole thing would be a lot less confusing. They didn’t sign on for replacing Obamacare with tax cuts for the wealthiest one percent. They didn’t board the Trump Train because they were followers of Ayn Rand and wanted to live in Galt’s Gulch, they boarded because they thought Trump was the only guy who cared about regular non-elite non-minority Americans.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

July 28, 2017 at 10:56 am

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  1. Trump chose to use his political capital on something his supporters barely cared about and he himself barely cared about. Sad!

    johnBeck

    July 28, 2017 at 11:08 am

    • You have it reversed. Trump is facing a hostile media, a hostile Deep State, and a hostile Congress. And they are the ones just wasted their political capital defeating Trump’s least popular policy item. With one high profile failure already under their belt, is it going to be easier or harder for Ryan and McConnell to sandbag tax reform? Every failure increases the grass roots political pressure on the Congress to produce a “win”.

      PerezHBD

      July 28, 2017 at 11:46 am

      • All Trump did was ask Congress to push the same bill they created to repeal ObamaCare when Obama was President. It is obvious now that Republicans pushed Obamacare repeal only when they knew Obama would veto it.

        They were playing their constituency.

        None of this is Trump’s fault. Trump, in fact, has exposed the liars and fools for what they are.

        map

        July 28, 2017 at 12:29 pm

      • All Trump did was ask Congress to push the same bill they created to repeal ObamaCare when Obama was President. It is obvious now that Republicans pushed Obamacare repeal only when they knew Obama would veto it.

        They were playing their constituency.

        I saw an interview with Eric Cantor this week when he admitted that he and his colleagues were lying about repealing Obamacare. It was just a scam on the rubes. I admit, I was one of the rubes. For all the flaws of the GOP, I thought they were at least committed to that. Instead, we’ve just been witness to a month long political version of performance art.

        Mike Street Station

        July 29, 2017 at 8:03 am

  2. Obamacare is for immigrants, illegals, minorities, single moms, criminals and single women (for the feelz). In other words, the Dem base. Nobody who votes Republican or votes Trump (that is, productive, responsible people and families) likes Obamacare. There will be losers to repealing O-Care, Dem voters.

    Andrew E.

    July 28, 2017 at 11:12 am

    • This is a myth. Illegals are not eligible for Obamacare.

      Pre-ACA if you were working for a large company, had employer based insurances, but wanted to start a small business or become a self-employed contractor or consultant, you had to worry about health insurance for your family. In the employer market, you could be guaranteed coverage regardless of your pre-existing conditions or the members of your family. In the individual health insurance market people with pre-existing conditions were not insurable at any price. This kept many people working for big companies until they reached 65 and were eligible for Medicare.

      Obamacare makes it possible for people that want to become self-employed to buy insurance at reasonable price and not have to worry that if some family member becomes seriously ill, then they will no longer be able to buy insurance.

      mikeca

      July 28, 2017 at 12:30 pm

      • Obamacare further shifts costs of healthcare from the unproductive (Dem voters) to the productive (R voters). Illegals benefit, just like the rest of the Dem base, from the increased opaqueness in health care that O-care brings.

        Andrew E.

        July 28, 2017 at 12:41 pm

      • “This is a myth. Illegals are not eligible for Obamacare.”

        I’ll bet you say the same thing about welfare and food stamps. Yet 2/3 of households headed by illegals use welfare and food stamps even though “illegals are not eligible.” They may not be eligible but their anchor bastards are. Same with Obamacare. Of course, you already knew that but said it anyway. Weasel.

        destructure

        July 28, 2017 at 3:36 pm

      • “Illegals are not eligible for Obamacare.”

        Lol!! Illegals are not eligible for TONS of stuff that they, in fact, take full advantage of. You know those fake SS numbers they use to get jobs? They use those for benefits too. You just show up at the welfare office where the Nice White Lady or Pushy Black Lady or Fast Talking Hispanic Lady signs you up for whatevah, no questions asked beyond the perfunctory. “So did youse immuhgrate legal?” “Si.” “You’re in!! Oh and here’s a voter registration form.”

        And who needs Obamacare anyway? Just show up at the hospital and then walk out on your bill. The streets are paved with gold in America!

        peterike

        July 28, 2017 at 3:37 pm

      • Illegals don’t need Obamacare because they get free emergency treatment.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        July 28, 2017 at 4:06 pm

      • Right…

        People with “pre-existing” conditions, the kind that seriously telegraph crippling illnesses and, thus, medical costs, are going to become consultants and small business men.

        Are they going to become artists, too, like Nancy Pelosi believes?

        map

        July 28, 2017 at 11:17 pm

      • Besides, you already had states that provided high-risk pools for people with these conditions.

        The way they talk about pre-existing conditions, you would think that half the country has them. These conditions, properly conceived, should be manifest in a vanishingly small percentage of people.

        And, really, you are not providing insurance for them. You are providing the full cost of their care. It’s really a form of charity and should be treated as such.

        map

        July 28, 2017 at 11:21 pm

      • @mikeca. You had me going until you said “buy insurance at a reasonable price.” That is certainly not the case in the exchanges now. The problem with the independent insurance markets was, as you said, pre-existing conditions. All they had to do was fix that ONE THING. Instead they wrecked the independent insurance market.

        Mike Street Station

        July 29, 2017 at 8:06 am

  3. Is there a mandate to repeal Obamacare?

    What shouldn’t it be repealed when the program doesn’t work and it acts as a huge drain on the economy?

    Obamacare premiums have been spiking upwards. They would be even higher if it weren’t for exchange subsidies that weren’t mandated by Congressional spending bills but were illegally handed out by the Obama administration.

    If it needs this kind of crooked accounting and illegal budget transfers from collapsing completely then it should certainly be replaced.

    The Undiscovered Jew

    July 28, 2017 at 11:42 am

  4. By the way, Congress exempted themselves from Obamacare’s income requirements to make themselves eligible for subsidies that the middle class is ineligible for.

    If it’s so good why isn’t Congress living under the rules it passed for everyone else?

    The Undiscovered Jew

    July 28, 2017 at 11:44 am

  5. The best way to force everyone to the table is for Trump to cancel the illegal exchange subsidies as well as the subsidy exemption for Congress and their staff.

    The Undiscovered Jew

    July 28, 2017 at 11:45 am

  6. There are loads of deluded Joe the plumber types who style themselves ayn randian figures. The commentors here are almost all completely deluded when it comes to healthcare.

    Magnavox

    July 28, 2017 at 12:14 pm

    • No, you are deluded.

      You want the government to provide food, shelter and health-care to everyone. You know who also gets those things?

      Chickens.

      Food, shelter and health-care is exactly what farmers provide to chickens year round. I bet the chickens all think the farmers have no intention of killing them.

      The only reason why the government is so focused on health-care is because controlling the food supply is far more offensive.

      The powers that be are using these programs to farm the population.

      map

      July 28, 2017 at 12:37 pm

      • holy shit map has jumped the shark

        james n.s.w

        July 28, 2017 at 12:43 pm

      • If these health-care programs were any good, then the VA hospitals would be the best in the country.

        map

        July 28, 2017 at 12:58 pm

      • James — You’re not American. You’ve never lived in America. I doubt you’ve ever even been to America, Yet you continually spout off about American policies as if you have a clue what you’re talking about. You don’t. Just because you speak english, visit american websites and watch american tv shows doesn’t mean you know anything about America. You just think you do.

        destructure

        July 28, 2017 at 3:58 pm

      • Australians have their shit together. They have every right to comment on the US.

        Magnavox

        July 28, 2017 at 10:37 pm

      • LOL dude, what does ‘american politics’ have to do with the underlying theme at all in map’s post, which was espousing a paranoiac root justification for a moral principle? you’ve been trying to have a go at me for this for ages even though 1) this isnt exclusively an ‘american politics’ blog, but also a place for general ruminations on social class, economic themes and miscellany 2) what have i said in particular that has so betrayed my ignorance on american politics, which in your view is so hermetically inscrutable to foreigners? all you’re getting pissy about is i occasionally say stuff you dont like or agree with, but it’s not as though i’m alone in saying it here. i’ve probably been posting here, as well as on lion’s old blog, longer than you have. fuck off.

        james n.s.w

        July 29, 2017 at 4:16 am

      • Australians have their shit together. They have every right to comment on the US.

        Not really. I’ve spent time in Australia. They’re retards. But they have a huge advantage over the US. It’s the same advantage that Europe and Canada have — fewer NAMs. Though they’re doing their best to screw that up.

        You’re just happy to have someone agree with your socialist views. Even if they are an autistic kid on welfare.

        destructure

        July 29, 2017 at 3:13 pm

      • map expressed the view that politics is about manipulating the public. That’s neither “jumping the shark” nor “paranoiac”. That’s what politics is. Corporations and special interests are all about manipulating the public for self-interest. Socialists want to manipulate the public too. Only they want to herd the public onto a big “farm” where they manage everything according to their leftist beliefs. Or, as you called it, “moral principle”.

        For you, it’s about “morality” not reality. So I can certainly see why you wouldn’t care about the particulars of “american politics” including whether it’s even feasible. It’s never occurred to you that it might not be. Nor do you care. All you care about is your asinine “moral principle”.

        I’ve actually spent quite a bit of time in other countries including Australia. The first thing I noticed is just how little I understood their politics. Speaking the same language and watching news about a country means nothing. It takes years of living somewhere to truly grasp what’s going on.

        The second thing I noticed is how much every twat thought they knew about America. As one of the few Americans most Australians meet, nearly every one of them wants to tell me what they think about American politics. After being subjected to many unwanted conversations on everything from guns, healthcare, iraq war and Trump I can tell you what Australians know about America — absolutely nothing.

        destructure

        July 29, 2017 at 3:18 pm

      • map’s point was a libertarianish talking point about how the only reason governments do anything is because they want to expand their influence of control — it’s just a boring attempt to divert the conversation from discussing the utility and merits / cons of a single payer healthcare system to scaremongering about government dependence and the ever expansive officiousness of the state. this bullshit is not unique to american politics — though it is seemingly particularly prevalent there

        “For you, it’s about “morality” not reality. ”

        lmao, you’re saying this in response to an attempt to invoke expanded GOVERNMENT CONTROL as a reason to oppose single payer healthcare….? i never said anything about my personal opinion on the morality or reality of single payer healthcare as it pertained to any one country. now this is psychological projection.

        “Not really. I’ve spent time in Australia. They’re retards.”

        so you read and comment on a HBD blog and are surprised at the fact that the majority of people you meet in a place aren’t too bright? okay. no shit — but the average american is no different. i’m not about to play a “the people in my country are smarter than the people in ur country” game like you probably are trying to.

        “It’s the same advantage that Europe and Canada have — fewer NAMs. Though they’re doing their best to screw that up.”

        kind of – the worst aspect of australia’s immigration program is its pure volume. we obviously have lower absolute numbers than the united states, but tend to have better immigrants (though not necessarily so). we have very few non-asian minorities here and i can’t really see them having a significant presence in this country at any time in the future. it doesnt matter because our immigration program is destroying our quality of life in its own way.

        “The second thing I noticed is how much every twat thought they knew about America. As one of the few Americans most Australians meet, nearly every one of them wants to tell me what they think about American politics.”

        cool man, i don’t know who you talk to but people around where i live couldn’t give a shit — i’m just a weirdo. only reason only difference is australians don’t force their ignorance on the rest of the world.

        also nice to see you complaining about “socialist views” or whatever the hell you’re trying to attribute to magnavox on a blog that literally advocates single-payer healthcare and nationalising the financial sector. i think most people here come to read the interesting and typically common-sense approach (neither “conservative” nor “liberal”) to individual issues it offers, not wade through libertarian diarrhea.

        james n.s.w

        July 29, 2017 at 11:29 pm

      • @ james n.s.w. “cool man, i don’t know who you talk to but people around where i live couldn’t give a shit — i’m just a weirdo. only reason only difference is australians don’t force their ignorance on the rest of the world.”

        As a participant on an international political forum, I’ve found Australians, Canadians, and various Europeans who do display an interest in politics to be uncommonly interested in American politics, and of course to consider themselves experts on the American political scene.

        They are incorrect of course.

        But I don’t blame them since it’s easy to get the “instant expert syndrome” when you consider the (to me) amazing amount of American political news covered by foreign newspapers and TV news. But that just represents elite opinion of non Americans reading the elite opinion of Americans, who have been pretty consistently wrong for years. Probably the biggest story of last week was the Congressional Democrats IT scandal, but if you’re reading Australian news stories, I doubt you’ve heard anything about it. In fact, if you watch American nightly news shows, you wouldn’t know anything about it.

        Consider Piers Morgan. He was a man who thought he understood American politics well enough to host a CNN show, and by most standards he should have. He certainly had spent a lot of time in the US and had personal and business relationships here. But he found himself totally flummoxed by the gun control argument and US gun culture. He couldn’t understand why confiscating everyone’s guns was the least bit controversial. So he didn’t last.

        Mike Street Station

        July 30, 2017 at 9:08 am

      • I think that any elite from Manhattan or DC or San Fransisco would be equally confused by gun control. Prole whites LOVE their guns, and none of the liberal elites understand it.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        July 30, 2017 at 1:35 pm

      • “map’s point was a libertarianish talking point about how the only reason governments do anything is because they want to expand their influence of control”

        he didn’t say that and i doubt he thinks it. Why don’t you ask him?

        “it’s just a boring attempt to divert the conversation from discussing the utility and merits / cons of a single payer healthcare system to scaremongering”

        loss of freedom is a valid concern

        “i never said anything about my personal opinion on the morality or reality of single payer healthcare as it pertained to any one country.”

        don’t be a weasel. you pop off about American politics all the time.

        “so you read and comment on a HBD blog and are surprised at the fact that the majority of people you meet in a place aren’t too bright?”

        did I say I was surprised?

        you still haven’t addressed my original point which is that you spout off about Americans and American politics when you’ve never visited America or know anything about American politics.

        destructure

        July 30, 2017 at 2:25 pm

      • “I think that any elite from Manhattan or DC or San Fransisco would be equally confused by gun control. Prole whites LOVE their guns, and none of the liberal elites understand it.”

        I think even an effete, gun hating elitist from Manhattan, DC, or San Francisco would realize that there is in fact a gun culture, and that tens of millions of Americans own and use guns on a regular basis. They may hate it, but they understand that it’s there. I don’t think Morgan understood that it existed beyond a few Deliverance types.

        Mike Street Station

        July 30, 2017 at 2:54 pm

  7. This failure is emblematic of the modern Republican parties lack of a policy platform. By labeling the ACA Obamacare Republicans were able to rally their base against it. Most of the policy arguments against it were BS. Has anyone gotten their summons to appear before a death panel?

    The Republican leadership has been lying to its base for years. The Republican leadership does not think that poor people are entitled to tax payer funded health care. They would like to eliminate Obamacare, Medicaid and Medicare, but they can’t say that out loud. Much of the Republican base today is using Medicare and they like it. Paul Ryan’s plan to begin dismantling Medicare is to turn it into pools where retired people could buy government subsided private insurance. In other words Ryan wants to turn Medicare into Obamacare. At the same time he is saying “Obamacare is a train wreck and will never work” and “We are going to improve Medicare by turning it into Oamacare.” None of it makes any policy sense. What Ryan really wants to do is phase out Medicare, but he cannot say that out loud.

    mikeca

    July 28, 2017 at 12:20 pm

    • I was summoned before a death panel when my father was ill, where they were gently encouraging me to pull the plug on him.

      And Obamacare is not insurance. It is a tax. Why do you think you are paying hundreds of dollars a month for something with a $10,000 deductible? That means that a routine doctor’s visit that used to be covered by insurance must now be paid for out-of-pocket.

      map

      July 28, 2017 at 12:42 pm

      • The “death panel” was probably right, wasn’t it? Once you are a pull of the plug away from death, your life is going to be painful, expensive, immobile, and confused.

        Pop

        July 28, 2017 at 12:54 pm

      • “I was summoned before a death panel when my father was ill, where they were gently encouraging me to pull the plug on him.”

        I doubt this was government death panel.

        End of life decisions are difficult. The USA already spends vastly more on health care in the last 6 months of life than any other country.

        A friend of mine had to discuss treatment options for his 85+ year old mother with her doctor. She had a heart condition that could only be treated with surgery. The doctor explained all risks and possible outcomes. He was still unsure what he should do. Finally he asked the doctor if this was his mother, what would he do. The doctor said he would not do the surgery for his mother. He said the woman was 85+ years old. She was not going to live that much long wether they did the surgery or not. Because of her age she would probably recover slowly from the effects of the surgery and might never completely recover. The quality of the rest of her life would be better without the surgery.

        I am convinced that my father’s life was shortened and made more uncomfortable by heart surgeries that were done as much because Medicare would pay for them as because it was the best choice for my father’s health at this age.

        We need health care focused on improving the length and quality of patient’s lives, not focused on maximizing revenue and profits.

        mikeca

        July 28, 2017 at 1:59 pm

      • That means that a routine doctor’s visit that used to be covered by insurance must now be paid for out-of-pocket.

        No, you’ve got it backwards. Obamacare covers routine preventive doctor visits at $0 out-of-pocket. That’s the problem and that’s why unsubsidized Obamacare premiums are so high. Give me a high-deductible, low premium, catastrophic health insurance plan! Obamacare prohibits these plans.

        Or, just let me buy into Medicare at age 55 at, say, 150% of the regular retiree rate, so I can retire early and open up a job for a Gen-Xer.

        E. Rekshun

        July 28, 2017 at 3:43 pm

      • map — Sorry about your dad’s situation. But I’d like to give another perspective,. I have a close friend who is an ICU nurse. If someone has been doing that a long time then a lot of times they know who’s going to live and die from experience as well as statistics.

        My nurse friend has told me something very disturbing. He said that sometimes ghetto families will demand that a suffering, dying patient be kept alive on the machines as long as possible just to get a couple of more social security checks. Also, a few doctors will recommend surgeries and stuff when they know damn well the patient is going to die. Make more money. I don’t which is worse, the families or the doctors.

        On the other hand, I do agree with you about the death panels. In some countries, committees will deny treatment and let someone die based simply on the numbers. Not because it won’t help the patient but because it’s too much money. It’s not worth the “investment”. I realize there’s a point in which it really isn’t worth the money. But I’d rather it be my choice rather than some committees.
        **
        mikeca — Just because medicare will pay for something doesn’t mean you have to do it. it was your dad’s choice. No one is to blame but him and maybe his doctor if his doctor gave bad advice.

        destructure

        July 28, 2017 at 4:31 pm

      • Pop,

        “The “death panel” was probably right, wasn’t it? Once you are a pull of the plug away from death, your life is going to be painful, expensive, immobile, and confused.”

        My father was still lucid and cogent. He was not in some sort of vegetative state with no hope of pulling out. That’s why I found it surprising sitting in front of two women and a Nigerian insisting that I should do the humane thing.

        That’s ok. You will learn the hard way that these programs are not intended to work as advertised. I would not be surprised if the quality of care is downgraded long before you ever go before the panel. Everyone will soon discover that the age of unviability is a lot lower than they expect.

        map

        July 28, 2017 at 6:16 pm

      • E, Rekshun,

        “No, you’ve got it backwards. Obamacare covers routine preventive doctor visits at $0 out-of-pocket. That’s the problem and that’s why unsubsidized Obamacare premiums are so high. Give me a high-deductible, low premium, catastrophic health insurance plan! Obamacare prohibits these plans.”

        My insurance used to cover routine doctor visits also before ObamaCare took over. Covered it at roughly 30 bucks a month on a PPO with no massive deductible or what used to amount to a Cobra payment. Why not go back to that?

        Destructure,

        “I have a close friend who is an ICU nurse. If someone has been doing that a long time then a lot of times they know who’s going to live and die from experience as well as statistics.”

        Sure, but that is irrelevant. The entire push for health-provision legislation is conceived in bad faith simply because this is a Communist-party plank. Between price-gouging through medical monopolies to getting illegals and foreigners on health-provision to subsidizing socialized medicine around the world, the whole edifice is rotten. I am certainly not going to trust a medical bureaucracy with determining a health outcome.

        map

        July 28, 2017 at 7:53 pm

      • map — I wasn’t advocating commiecare, C’mon man. You know me better than that.

        destructure

        July 29, 2017 at 3:36 pm

  8. You are on a roll. I agree 100% with your recent posts. So does Bannon, who unfortunately is now hated by both Kushner and Mooch.

    Mooch’s hedge fund is scammy with very high fees and weak performance.

    http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2012/05/14/anthony_scaramucci_will_make_you_poor.html

    Pop

    July 28, 2017 at 12:50 pm

    • There is one little problem with all of this hedge fund analysis: Hedge funds are only required to report their long positions on the 13F’s. They are not required to report their shorts.

      map

      July 28, 2017 at 8:35 pm

      • They don’t have to report performance, but it gets leaked pretty often even when it is not voluntary disclosed.

        Mooch also doesn’t target HNWI, but rather top 2% but not top .5% types. So he can’t be too secretive.

        Even if he were skilled, fund of funds are inherently scammy.

        Pop

        July 28, 2017 at 11:25 pm

  9. Obamacare cost the Democrats 1000 seats- of course there is a mandate to get rid of it.

    The government forcing you to buy a product you dont want or need is an offense to the Constitutions and needs to be repealed.

    And the Obamacare outlawing perfectly good policies (catastrophic care) has driven up everyones premiums.

    Lion o' the Turambar

    July 28, 2017 at 2:05 pm

    • Health insurance, like all other insurance, is something you don’t need until you need it.

      BUT, I agree that it would be better if the government just provided healthcare for everyone instead of making people buy private insurance. But it was Republicans who killed the public option, which would have been a step in that direction.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      July 28, 2017 at 2:19 pm

      • Jeez, even Lion is a socialist. Ernest Renan, circa 1870:

        “There is no disillusionment for socialists. After every failed experiment, they recommence their work: the solution hasn’t been found yet, but it will be. The idea that no solution exists never occurs to them, and in this lies their strength.”

        vdorta

        July 28, 2017 at 2:59 pm

      • But it was Republicans who killed the public option, which would have been a step in that

        Really? I heard Howard Dean say Democrats had single payer/public option in 2010 when they had 60 senators.

        Why blame Republicans?

        Rifleman

        July 28, 2017 at 3:28 pm

      • “Health insurance, like all other insurance, is something you don’t need until you need it.”

        Except young people demonstrably dont need it.

        The reason the government wants to force them into paying premiums is because their actual health care costs are only a fraction of the payout- hence a huge slush fund for the government elites to reengineer with.

        Now of course everyone forced to buy the product is going to damn well make sure that they use as much as possible to try and get their money back. And health care costs sky rocket.

        Lion o' the Turambar

        July 28, 2017 at 8:43 pm

      • And young people don’t need Social Security and Medicare which they also pay for. But Republicans love Social Security and Medicare.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        July 28, 2017 at 9:36 pm

      • Lion I’m not sure where you get the idea that Republicans had anything to do with killing a public option. The Blue Dog Democrats killed that…I think. I mean what is the Medicaid Expansion other than a public option?

        Mike Street Station

        July 29, 2017 at 8:17 am

      • “And young people don’t need Social Security and Medicare which they also pay for. But Republicans love Social Security and Medicare.”

        No. Republicans hate Social Security and Medicare, they just don’t dare say that out loud. Republicans have a long term plan to turn Social Security and Medicare into welfare programs. They want to introduce means testing for benefits. Then they will reduce the threshold until only poor people get benefits from them. Once they are welfare programs, they will be easy to demonize and cut.

        mikeca

        July 29, 2017 at 1:04 pm

      • Republicans have a long term plan to turn Social Security and Medicare into welfare programs. They want to introduce means testing for benefits. Then they will reduce the threshold until only poor people get benefits from them.

        That’s what should happen. They’re unsustainable.

        destructure

        July 30, 2017 at 2:27 pm

    • Obamacare cost the Democrats 1000 seats- of course there is a mandate to get rid of it.

      Trump had to at least attempt to repeal most of it because the base demanded it for mostly good reasons. But the base won’t blame Trump for its failure.

      Now that he’s off the hook with most Republican voters he is free to move to more popular aspects of his agenda like tax cuts, infrastructure, and immigration that Democrats will find difficult to vote against without getting hammered for it in 2018.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      July 28, 2017 at 2:24 pm

    • Whitelash caused the Dems to lose 1000 seats, not Obamacare. Obamacare was merely a symbolic issue that the entire Republican coalition could rally around.

      Otis the Sweaty

      July 28, 2017 at 3:04 pm

  10. Medicare gets great reviews. My parents have it. Y’alls parents probably do too. Talk to them about it. Yeah it’s a government program. Socialized medicine. Yeah…
    If Trump were a Machiavellian genius and 4D Chess player, he’d throw his support behind HR676, “Medicare for All.”
    https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/676

    Kosher Kowboy

    July 28, 2017 at 3:11 pm

    • Agreed! Medicare isn’t “socialized” and isn’t “free” from the government. A Medicare recipient pays (low) deductibles, plus $109+ for Part B, plus more for Parts C & D. Plus, the recipient and the recipient’s employer each paid 1.45% of gross wages (no cap) toward Medicare over the recipient’s entire working life.

      Every Medicare recipient I’ve every spoken to is delighted w/ Medicare. I hope we all can be as delighted with our health insurance in our senior years.

      https://www.medicare.gov/your-medicare-costs/costs-at-a-glance/costs-at-glance.html

      E. Rekshun

      July 28, 2017 at 3:58 pm

    • My parents despise medicare, My mother retired from a major corporation with great family health insurance for life. When the government forced everyone to get medicare, the corporation reduced the insurance she was getting was to a backup. In case you’re wondering what difference that makes, medicare doesn’t pay doctors and hospitals squat. Therefore, a lot of doctors and hospitals don’t want to take patients on medicare. My parents are much worse off because of medicare.

      I actually have experience with communist healthcare in another country. The quality of the care is good enough. But if you need surgery for cancer or something then you might die before you actually get it. On the other hand, if you have private cover or cash then they can operate tomorrow.

      destructure

      July 28, 2017 at 4:49 pm

      • The vast majority of doctors, say, over 90%, take Medicare. All hospitals take Medicare.

        Kosher Kowboy

        July 28, 2017 at 5:09 pm

      • Medicare is the best insurance there is. There’s probably no private insurance as widely accepted as Medicare.

        The “public option” would have allowed you to buy Medicare instead of private insurance, but Republicans plus a few Democrats owned by Big Insurance killed the idea.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        July 28, 2017 at 5:43 pm

      • I don’t doubt that there’s better private insurance than Medicare, but I think Medicare surely meets the “good enough” standard, and that people who want better insurance should be allowed to buy it.

        Kosher Kowboy

        July 28, 2017 at 5:16 pm

      • The Medicare fetish seems bizarre to me. Traditional Medicare is an 80/20 plan, so the out of pocket on it can be considerable. It only works if you have either Medicare Advantage or a supplemental insurance plan to cover the gaps. Try replacing Medicaid with “Medicare for all” and you’ll see an insurrection from the welfare class.

        Mike Street Station

        July 29, 2017 at 8:26 am

      • “Medicare is the best insurance there is.”

        My parents were forced to enroll in medicare. And they disagree with you.

        destructure

        July 29, 2017 at 3:40 pm

  11. The goal of the healthcare reform seems mostly about getting rid of the Medicare surtax, and covering it with benefit cuts. I doubt most Trump voters care about the Medicare surtax.

    Alex

    July 28, 2017 at 3:50 pm


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