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Last night’s healthcare vote

It seems like McCain saved the Republican Party from themselves.

But the Republican Senators better unite on funding the border wall, or I’m going to be pissed.

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The bad thing about this healthcare fiasco is that the Republican Party had gotten into the HABIT of not being united, while it has become clear that the Democrats will bee 100% united against anything that Donald Trump wants to do.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

July 28, 2017 at 7:12 am

Posted in Politics

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  1. One can debate whether the proposed bill would have hurt the Republicans, but the vote showed that the Republican Party has actually ceased to exist, and the people in Congress with that label are a mere rabble. I suspect that beginning as soon as 2018, a replacement party will begin to emerge, and in 10 years or so the Republican Party will be an historical footnote. The new party will be a radical populist party, and true, kinetic class warfare will begin. Not one of the current Republican politicians will hold office a decade from now.

    bob sykes

    July 28, 2017 at 8:09 am

    • I don’t think you are going to see a third party of Trumpists, if that’s what you mean. I think more likely the Tru-Cons, Neo-Cons, and other types who got the vapors from Trump will leave. George Will and Joe Scarborough have already officially left, and many others are in the opposition, like the entire staff of the National Review and The Weekly Standard. I think it’s more likely that Trumpism consolidates it’s hold on the GOP (with or without Trump) than populist nationalists bolting to form their own party.

      Mike Street Station

      July 28, 2017 at 8:47 am

      • The Weekly Standard has actually become one of the more Trump-friendly publications aside from Kristol. National Review still runs more pro-Trump articles than anti, though that may be because they feel forced to by their audience.

        snorlaxwp

        July 28, 2017 at 10:31 am

      • The people you’re describing, the George Wills and Scarboroughs, are a significant number of the conservative elite, but apparently a trivial number of the Republican rank-and-file. So you’re right: they have no basis to form a third party. And in any case, the GOP is far more entrenched than the Whigs or Federalists ever were; it will evolve rather than be replaced.

        So long as the Dems are actively hostile to the interests of ordinary people, the Republicans can be oblivious and inept at meeting their needs and still do OK. The Dems either continue to rely on the coalition of the fringes, or they come up with a charismatic new Bill Clinton who recenters the party to capture more ordinary people.

        What do the ordinary people want? I think to a degree, even they don’t know. They all just feel things are deeply wrong in our society and getting worse, and they’re looking for charismatic leadership to explain things and take their interests to heart. Trump half-succeeded at that, or maybe tried and failed but at least gave it an effort, and for that he’s President.

        Wency

        July 28, 2017 at 11:09 am

  2. It’s going to be a mess, although maybe they’ll consider pulling it together to save face for healthcare?

    “Border wall funding could lead to government shutdown as budget battle heats up”: https://www.yahoo.com/news/border-wall-funding-threatens-government-shutdown-budget-battle-heats-180534239.html

    IHTG

    July 28, 2017 at 8:16 am

  3. I agree that McCain probably saved the Republicans from themselves (although I’m sure that was not his intention). All of the GOP bills were terrible. None of them were really “repeal and replace.” They were all various forms of fakery that did nothing to fix the problems in the individual health care markets. If any of these bills passed, the GOP would own the failure as these health insurance markets continued to collapse.

    Mike Street Station

    July 28, 2017 at 8:51 am

  4. Also good example of #fakenews.

    If you listen to the media you would think McCain went to DC just to help Trump eliminate Obamacare. Liberal pundits were cackling at the irony that McCain is using healthcare while repealing healthcare benefits.

    But in reality McCain went to DC to bring the vote to the floor and then definitely kill it by voting against it.

    Jimi

    July 28, 2017 at 8:52 am

  5. The Republican Senate bill represented a slow, orderly reversal of the trend towards socialized medicine. Now that it’s failed, we’ll instead get a much quicker but more chaotic reversal. Buckle up.

    Andrew E.

    July 28, 2017 at 9:03 am

    • I think it was more a consolidation of Obamacare. It didn’t repeal it, just small parts of it, and did nothing to fix the problem with the exchanges. So if the bill had passed, the exchanges would have still continued to collapse, only “Trumpcare” would have gotten the blame.

      Mike Street Station

      July 29, 2017 at 8:35 am

  6. “Democrats will be 100% united against anything that Donald Trump wants to do.”

    That was the function of Obama.

    Hopefully Trump doesnt result in the blood bath Obama did. At some point the GOP needs to reframe away from the chaos or this wont end well.

    Lion o' the Turambar

    July 28, 2017 at 9:50 am

  7. “But the Republican Senators better unite on funding the border wall, or I’m going to be pissed.”

    I thought that the budget bill with the Wall spending required 60 votes in the Senate. I think keeping the wall spending in the bill is going to be difficult. All Democrats will probably oppose it, some Republicans like Jeff Flake may opposed it as a waste of money.

    “The bad thing about this healthcare fiasco is that the Republican Party had gotten into the HABIT of not being united, while it has become clear that the Democrats will bee 100% united against anything that Donald Trump wants to do.”

    Democrats will oppose stupid things that Donald Trump wants to do. Trump said he wanted to repeal Obamacare and replace it with “something terrific.” If he actually had a terrific idea for a replacement, Democrats would be willing to talk about it. The problem is Trump never had any plan. He delegated it to the Republicans in Congress, and they came up with a tax cut bill paid for by massive cuts in spending on healthcare.

    I suppose if you are in the top 1% you might think that replacing Obamacare with a huge tax cut is ‘something terrific’, but the other 98% don’t.

    mikeca

    July 28, 2017 at 10:28 am

    • “Democrats will oppose everything Donald Trump wants to do.”

      FIFY. Democrats = obstructionists.

      Almost nobody benefits from O’SamboCare.

      hard9bf

      July 28, 2017 at 11:00 am

  8. When you’re in the opposition it’s easy to be 100% united, specially when the president is as loathed by the base as Trump is with liberals. The GOP was pretty effectively united in opposition to Obama when they were in the minority, as were the Democrats with GWB.

    FreddyG

    July 28, 2017 at 10:46 am

  9. The Dems were totally united even when they were in power because there is 100% agreement amongst them about their main issues: open borders, Islam, BLM and trannies. There is a miniscule numbers of Sanders Democrats who are also against Wall Street and Free Trade as well, but they have no power.

    The Republicans are much more of a coalition than a party. We have the TruCons, the stupid Christians, the Trumpists and the Romney types. We disagree on a lot of important issues. To make matters worse we are led by a buffoon who thrives on chaos and has no influence with the majority of the party.

    But the failure of this bill does allow us to move on. Now we can worry about passing minor HC reform as Rand Paul suggested from the beginning, tax reform, getting our backlogged nominations through and a budget (which would include the wall money). We can also force Trump state Dems to go on record being against the two anti immigrant bills that we already moved through the House.

    This was a tactical defeat, but I believe it will become a strategic victory. How much of one, we will see.

    Otis the Sweaty

    July 28, 2017 at 1:21 pm

    • I think you’re right about the Republicans being a coalition, but that’s true for the Democrats too. The difference is that the Democratic coalition is all going in the same direction; they’re just going at different speeds. With the Republicans they going in different directions.

      Mike Street Station

      July 29, 2017 at 8:40 am

  10. But the Republican Senators better unite on funding the border wall, or I’m going to be pissed.

    I want my E-Verify and I want it now!

    Me too!

    the Republican Party had gotten into the HABIT of not being united

    Because they’re the “Stupid Party.”

    E. Rekshun

    July 28, 2017 at 4:04 pm


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