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Mooch the guido

This is the first mainstream newspaper op-ed addressing the Mooch’s guidoness. The author, an Italian-American woman from a prole background who obviously hates those people she grew up with (and who can blame her?) doesn’t actually use the word “guido” in the article.

Why else would she move to Alaska unless she wanted to get as far away from guidos as possible?

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Well actually, I’m wrong that the article above was a first. Another Italian-American columnist wrote in the more prestigious Boston Globe:

Scaramucci was a walking, talking ethnic stereotype: that vain, uncouth, absurdly macho Guido from the New York metropolitan area that for many Italian-Americans represents a caricature they long to escape.

First time the word “guido” was used in a real newspaper. Until yesterday, I was the only person on the internet to identify the Mooch as a guido.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

August 1, 2017 at 10:29 pm

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  1. He’s not a thug. I’m sure she grew up with some real violent people in her neighborhood that deserves to be called thugs, but Saramucci doesn’t. And I say that as someone with a tremendously negative view of the financial industry.

    Magnavox

    August 1, 2017 at 10:39 pm

    • Scaramucci was a walking, talking ethnic stereotype: that vain, uncouth, absurdly macho Guido from the New York metropolitan area that for many Italian-Americans represents a caricature they long to escape.

      Don’t forget SHORT.

      What is he 5’5″? He’s like a Joe Pesci wannabe.

      Plus, the guy was a never trumper since 2015? Trump gets bashed by the NYTimes yet does interviews with them. He hires never trumpers. Weird.

      Rifleman

      August 2, 2017 at 1:19 am

  2. A lot of IAs move to Arizona from SI and NJ. Moving to Alaska is just another proledom vis-à-vis proledom aka — a low class move.

    JS

    August 1, 2017 at 10:41 pm

    • JS, speaking of self-control (both due to the Mooch’s lack of it and your insistence that not having it is what keeps IAs out of the elite) how long do you think you could go without using either the term “guido” or the term “prole” in an LOTB post? Just curious!

      maryk

      August 1, 2017 at 11:28 pm

      • LoftB’s term, prole includes attributes of having lower self control.

        JS

        August 2, 2017 at 10:11 am

  3. “I was the only person on the internet to identify the Mooch as a guido.”

    Lion, to be perfectly blunt, here – you’re full of sh__. (I used underscores instead of spelling out an obscenity so you wouldn’t call me a guido – not that this will stop you anyway!) The Mooch’s vulgarity and bad demeanor have been pointed out by others. People didn’t need to specifically use the word “guido.” And may I remind you that the Mooch is simply emulating the bad behavior of his boss – your beloved Donald Trump.

    As to Elise Sereni, there is no evidence that she left her Italian neighborhood because she’s ashamed of her heritage. You’re engaging in wishful thinking. She spent 28 years living in an Eskimo community. Maybe she married a man who was a member of that community. But she’s from Atlantic City – so her Italian neighborhood there dissolved long ago. She calls herself “a recovering Catholic.” If she was trying to flee anything it was Catholicismn, not Italianness. Did you actually read her article about the Mooch?

    The second columnist you quoted said that IAs wanted to escape “the caricature.” They didn’t say they moved anywhere to escape actual guidos – who primarily keep to themselves as long as you don’t bother them. I’m sorry if some Italian roughnecks beat you up in school. Lion. But this obsession of yours is getting really annoying. Don’t you think any group – ethnic, religious,regional, – has a type that most people don’t like? What makes guidos worse than any other group’s “bad element?”

    Lion, you know I love your blog. But can I request that you respectfully knock it the f_ck off?

    maryk

    August 1, 2017 at 11:01 pm

    • guido guido guido guido

      driveallnight

      August 2, 2017 at 9:52 pm

      • Brilliant analysis. Did you “driveallnight” to come up with this one?

        maryk

        August 4, 2017 at 12:02 pm

  4. What would happen if an IA doctor discovered a cure for cancer?

    Lion would accuse him of practicing “Guido Medicine”

    maryk

    August 1, 2017 at 11:06 pm

    • I would say that SUNY Downstate College of Medicine is the most guido medical school, with Hofstra Northwell School of Medicine in second place and then New Jersey Medical School.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      August 1, 2017 at 11:13 pm

      • ……….and the Lion proves my point about his “guido obsession!”

        Coming next on LOTB: Lion enlists the help of JS to determine which Pope qualifies as having done the most “guido theology” (you know there has to be such a thing, right?) Since all the Popes for hundred of years up until 1978 were Italians, we have a long list of contenders. JS’s extensive knowledge of European history would help here.

        maryk

        August 1, 2017 at 11:23 pm

      • I dunno. I took my mother to a Guido doctor. Got a big cross in office, a picture of the Virgin, foul mouthed, but says ‘excuse my language, honey’. (My mother is 92 and is hard of hearing). But guess what? Aside from these attributes he is a very carrying and knowledgeable old fashioned doctor. Gotta give him five stars. Good enough for me.

        Yakov

        August 1, 2017 at 11:24 pm

      • @Maryk

        I think Lion is right about Mooch, though. Look, just like not everything anti-semites say is automatically false, same here. So I dunno why you are getting all worked up about it. It’s nothing, realy.

        Yakov

        August 1, 2017 at 11:33 pm

      • I dunno. I took my mother to a Guido doctor.

        Prole Italians, prole Jews, prole Arabs, prole Armenians, prole Persians tend to blend.

        They all have people who really are an embarrassment to them for similar reasons.

        Rifleman

        August 2, 2017 at 1:23 am

      • Probably one of the Borgias.

        snorlaxwp

        August 2, 2017 at 8:40 am

      • ” I dunno why you are getting all worked up about it. It’s nothing, realy.”

        I never said I disagreed with Lion about Mooch. I agree that he’s a guido. The point was Lion insinuating that this IA writer left her neighborhood to get away from Italians in general because of guidos. As a member of the iA community I can tell you that anyone who leaves an IA neighborhood deliberately because of ethnicity is leaving because of a stereotype and not because guidos themselves drove them out. What Lion was saying essentially was “who would want to live near those people?” I thought his comment crossed the line, so I called him out. I can guarantee you that if any writer made the type of insults about Jews that Lion regularly makes about IAs he’d be angry.

        And you see what he did? I tell him to knock it the F off. So he then posts a video of the “Saturday Night Fever” sequel “Stayin Alive.” Although he’ll deny it, I know Lion did this to irk me further. He knows how I feel about SNF,

        maryk

        August 2, 2017 at 8:52 am

      • Lion was just being humorous, comon.

        Yakov

        August 2, 2017 at 11:14 am

      • Your Guido Law posts is one of my all time favorites. How about a Guido Medical School post?

        OT: You might want to check out Lady Gaga’s videos for Paparazzi. There are two versions. They’re both worth watching and not as weird as some of her other videos.

        Horace Pinker

        August 2, 2017 at 1:14 pm

  5. How come Kelly, a fighter from Boston, isn’t getting the same ethnic treatment?

    Dave

    August 1, 2017 at 11:36 pm

    • Because he’s a straight-laced military man. See also: Nancy Kerrigan vs Tonya Harding.

      snorlaxwp

      August 2, 2017 at 8:40 am

  6. i wonder if italians north of the former two kingdoms of sicily refer to southern italians as guidos. most italian americans come from southern italy, and southern italy is still economically depressed and full of organized crime. if they don’t call them guidos they call them something worse. according to wikipedia, “Approximately 84% of the Italian immigrants came from Southern Italy and Sicily.” they’re now extremely concentrated in the NYC metro area. they’re the most tribal of all white ethnics. these aren’t the romans or renaissance italians.

    the wise leader kim jong un

    August 1, 2017 at 11:40 pm

    • Northern Italians look down on Sicilians no question. Very different history. There is even a northern political party that wants to break away.

      The Shepherd

      August 2, 2017 at 2:00 pm

      • I’ve known older Sicilians who look down on Northern Italians.

        Like they are almost southern Germans and not “real Italians”.

        Yes, Northern Italians in Italy think Rome south is an embarrassment.

        Can’t deny Italian superiority since the Renaissance is all up north.

        Rifleman

        August 2, 2017 at 5:26 pm

      • It’s quite contradicting that many IAs (most of whom are from the south) celebrate Columbus day. Often, there’s a reference about the Vinci and Machiavelli, other than that, these people don’t have a clue.

        JS

        August 2, 2017 at 6:21 pm

  7. Yakov, believe it or not I was going to do a caricature of how various people on this blog react to guido posts. And what you wrote here was not far off from what I had planned as my caricature of your writing! I was actually thinking more of you doing some HVAC work for some IA family in Staten Island. You would mention the various attributes of this family (some nice, some not so nice) Then you’d make some comment about how it’s too bad you couldn’t eat their non-kosher food because, boy did “Mrs. Italian’s” cooking smell great. Then you’d say you cleared 2 grand that day and paid not a penny in taxes on it. You’d end by saying “Man, how I love America!”

    maryk

    August 1, 2017 at 11:41 pm

    • Look, I’m an easy going chap that doesn’t sweat small stuff. You go to, say, a doctor, right? So his medical qualifications is what matters. He is qualified? Nice guy? Spends plenty of time with you? Doesn’t try to poison you with drugs? He is a good doctor. Now, why not have a few laughs? Isn’t it hilarious that the guy, who is a doctor in his sixties, mind you, throws f-bombs in front the Virgin Mary? You aren’t supposed to do that in front of any vergin, you know. Not very chivalrous behavior. But I’m not there to pontificate, so I do make the most out of a bad situation. You gotta be a real Guido to talk like that, no? Funny!

      Yakov

      August 2, 2017 at 9:06 am

  8. As a member of a not always popular ethnic minority myself (Indian), it’s kind of hard to believe that certain categories of Europeans–like working class Italians–still have it hard and are still singled out for rebuke in the US. Growing up in Canada, to the extent we stereotyped Italians at all, it was for their ability to design beautiful cars and clothes and for their heralding of a tonne of art and culture through the renaissance. And it must be said, Italian girls have always been fiiiine!

    Roli

    August 2, 2017 at 1:14 am

    • My brother-in-law is an Italian guy in his mid-40s who feels that he’s been a victim of anti-Italian discrimination at various points throughout his life. As far as I can tell, this mostly comes down to being offended by jokes. He never seems to think it’s funny when I describe his marriage as “interracial.” That might not sound like a good or original joke, but I like to think that I made it work by deadpanning likes like, “I’d like you both to know that what you’re doing is very brave and the love that you have for each other greatly outweighs the shame you’re bringing on your families.”

      There were a bunch of Indian kids in my high school and I was friends with a few of them. They seemed to assimilate pretty well and my one friend Roshan was an unabashedly racist guy with a great sense of humor.

      Horace Pinker

      August 2, 2017 at 1:10 pm

      • “I’d like you both to know that what you’re doing is very brave and the love that you have for each other greatly outweighs the shame you’re bringing on your families.”

        Ha! You must be a blast at family reunions.

        Mike Street Station

        August 2, 2017 at 6:37 pm

  9. Mooch came off as all bark, no bite. He’s about as tough as Rahm Emanuel.

    I’m sure the real deal guidos think his entire shtick an absurd affect. He was a bit too sophisticated and polished– high enough IQ, Harvard Law, hedge fund/wealth mgmt career, etc.

    The sociopath Michael Grimm is a better exemplar.

    anon

    August 2, 2017 at 4:06 am

  10. Christine Flowers addressed this subject in the Philadelphia Inquirer a few days ago but she did not use the term “guido.” Flowers is a half-Italian immigration attorney, “conservative”, and a full blown cat-lady.

    http://www.philly.com/philly/columnists/christine_flowers/scaramucci-the-italian-stereotype-weve-been-trying-to-ditch-20170730.html

    p s c

    August 2, 2017 at 5:49 am


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