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Jeff Sessions going after affirmative action

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This demonstrates why Sessions was such a great pick for AG, and why real alt-righters are so alarmed by Trump’s taunting of him on Twitter.

The law is clear: affirmative action by colleges for the purpose of having more students of a particular race is illegal. But it has not been something that the government has ever been interested in enforcing until now.

This will be good news for Asian applicants who suffer the most discrimination.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

August 2, 2017 at 7:18 am

Posted in Biology

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  1. No other AG would have done this. Sessions is the lynchpin.

    Mike Street Station

    August 2, 2017 at 7:44 am

    • The article said there were similar measures taken under Bush Jr. Let’s wait and see how far Sessions ends up going.

      Magnavox

      August 2, 2017 at 2:54 pm

  2. I asked last week on here why trump hasn’t gone after this.

    First order of business, release the Princeton admissions data that DoED has when they collected it to investigate claims did implicit quotas.

    Simba of the blogosphere

    August 2, 2017 at 7:57 am

    • it’s pathetic that harvard and yale law grads who sit on the bench can think that quotas and affirmative action can be different things. it’s a verbal distinction only, a distinction without a difference. but for them a difference in words is, ipso facto, a difference in things.

      the wise leader kim jong trump

      August 2, 2017 at 10:45 pm

  3. Never going to happen.

    For one thing, Trump is in favor of aa quotas.

    The entire fed judiciary at every level is in favor of aa quotas. And the Justice staff. And the Republican Party. And all the universities.

    The only ones opposed are the American people and that counts for very little.

    owentt

    August 2, 2017 at 8:50 am

    • I doubt Trump has any strong feeling about AA at all, but when he finds out the crowds that adore him at rallies don’t like it very much and that it is a popular talking point he’ll happily embrace the AG’s position. Trump’s generally apolitical nature is actually a plus for our side now that the Left has declared him “worse than Hitler”. Unlike cucks like Paul Ryan, Trump has no ideological commitment to stupid, unpopular elitist positions which are opposed by the Republican base. He’ll pander to us across the board on pretty much anything if he thinks it will make him more loved among the only group willing to shower him with love and acclaim.

      PerezHBD

      August 2, 2017 at 11:18 am

      • You are right about the Courts though. The correct move for Sessions is to simply threaten to withhold funding to schools that violate the law as written, not go to the Courts and ask them to correctly interpret the Civil Rights Act.

        PerezHBD

        August 2, 2017 at 11:22 am

      • ”. Unlike cucks like Paul Ryan, Trump has no ideological commitment to stupid, unpopular elitist positions which are opposed by the Republican base.

        He has a financial interest in their pro rich policies, which will end up having the same effect as an ideological commitment.

        Magnavox

        August 2, 2017 at 3:09 pm

  4. East Asians are not discriminated at the run n da mill colleges/universities. In fact, there are an overrepresentation of them. Your theory is wrong!

    JS

    August 2, 2017 at 10:07 am

    • “there are is an overrepresentation of them”

      JS

      August 2, 2017 at 10:22 am

    • Asians (NE Asians) are underrepresented in the sense that they almost always have higher standardized test scores than the average white student, regardless of the school. Or this is at least true of Asian-Americans: foreigners are shown favoritism in admissions at many schools because they usually pay full price.

      One reason for this: remember that many state schools pick students based on class rank within their high school. This is a stealth AA tactic, as most schools are highly segregated, and the academic ability of valedictorians will follow the predictable pattern: (NE) Asian > white > Hispanic > black.

      Of course, you can argue (and as I recall, JS is somewhat anti-Asian, so he will argue) that Asians bring less to campus life than their test scores would suggest, for various reasons (they’re “grinds”, cheats, etc. etc.) In my experience, this is true of foreigners with poor English skills, but much less so, if at all, of Asian-Americans. Chinese nationals are abundant and have terrible English skills, and Asian-Americans sometimes suffer from being grouped in with them.

      But the problem is that the “contributions to campus life” phraseology is sufficiently vague to justify mostly anything. It’s the defense schools use for continuing to admit underqualified blacks after AA is formally banned.

      Wency

      August 2, 2017 at 11:46 am

      • “so he will argue) that Asians bring less to campus life than their test scores would suggest, for various reasons (they’re “grinds”, cheats, etc. etc.) In my experience, this is true of foreigners with poor English skills, but much less so, if at all, of Asian-Americans.”

        Foreign Chinese can’t speak English. Asian-Americans are fanatical SJWs. You can’t win. We don’t need any Chinese in America.

        peterike

        August 2, 2017 at 12:11 pm

      • “Asian-Americans are fanatical SJWs”
        This guy is not an Asian-American, but I do enjoy this video:

        Asians vote about like Hispanics today, 2:1 Democrat or so. They tend to be less political than whites and to copy the politics of their neighbors, but with a dose of hard-nosed reality (“This is library!”) Since Asians are concentrated in places with liberal neighbors, though, the politics they copy tend to be liberal.

        I went to high school in a fairly conservative city with a surprisingly large NE Asian population. I’m Facebook friends with several of them; the only one who posts political stuff is a fan of Milo. When we were in high school, many of them were fully integrated into the nerd clique. They lifted our school’s mean IQ, and as a bookish young man, I was grateful.

        I’d agree that a monoracial America would be best, but that’s not reality. In the reality of a multiracial society, Asians and Europeans are the most compatible races, and it’s not all bad having them as neighbors.

        Wency

        August 2, 2017 at 5:51 pm

  5. I wonder how fast is this gonna happen.

    GondwanaMan

    August 2, 2017 at 10:15 am

    • I’m glad to announce I was the one who brought this to Lion’s attention.

      Yep.

      GondwanaMan

      August 2, 2017 at 10:31 am

    • Nothing like this happens fast. Particularly when it will be fought in the courts every step of the way.

      Mike Street Station

      August 2, 2017 at 6:45 pm

  6. If Sessions follows through with this, he will drive a spike through the heart of all that is shit in America. This will have the effect of improving Trump’s odds of winning 2018, it will drive the SJWs crazy and it’s excellent as a public policy. This is seriously worth getting excited about.

    roli

    August 2, 2017 at 10:35 am

  7. I like the fact about “redirecting resources.” Sounds like taking resources away from whatever trouble making the now totally useless “civil rights division” is up to. Would have been nicer for Trump to say, “We don’t need a civil rights division any more, I’m shutting it down.”

    In any case, while this may effect some obvious discriminatory practices — like automatically adding X number of bonus points to black SAT scores during the review process — colleges are always going to have the ability to select for whatever reason they like. “Oh, DeShawnTavious lived such a diverse life! We want him at our school.” Though it would be nice to see a few schools fined along the way.

    And I still want to see a foreign students ban. There are 300,000 Chinese nationals in American universities. That is completely insane.

    peterike

    August 2, 2017 at 10:47 am

    • And I still want to see a foreign students ban. There are 300,000 Chinese nationals in American universities. That is completely insane.

      Agreed and all the illegals too. That seems the battle to fight right now with respect to university admissions.

      Andrew E.

      August 2, 2017 at 11:10 am

    • Would have been nicer for Trump to say, “We don’t need a civil rights division any more, I’m shutting it down.”

      He should say he’s going to fight for the civil rights of white people. Republicans need to stop telling their constituents that the government can’t help them.

      Magnavox

      August 2, 2017 at 3:20 pm

    • The foreign students are a profit center for American universities which is why there are so many of them. They get charged higher tuition than American students and it allows lower tier universities that might have trouble filling up their engineering graduate schools to fill their program with these students paying high tuition that also double as low price research labor for the professors.

      At the undergrad level they are also a profit center. But definitely frustrating for native students since Chinese and Indians students cheat at every opportunity they get.

      Alex

      August 2, 2017 at 3:57 pm

      • I could not agree more. A Carnegie Mellon PhD bound peer told me the Asians would trade answers in the bathrooms while taking the SAT. Him included.

        Then there’s this:

        http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-07-26/myth-indias-information-technology-industry

        This partially answers why there is no disruptive innovations in the East.

        Most of those foreign grad students become educated here to return to fill bureaucratic roles in their governments. Government jobs are pseudo-feudal in prestige in Pakistan and India, for instance. They are the ticket to the top of their societies.

        A Dilettante

        August 2, 2017 at 6:41 pm

    • colleges are always going to have the ability to select for whatever reason they like

      this is true and it is also unique to the US. the solution is exams only admissions. this would get rid of the dumb rich kids, dumb minorities, dumb affaletes, and dumb strivers…so why doesn’t it happen? because such people are the american elite. kushner wouldn’t have gotten into harvard and i doubt donnie tiny hands jr would’ve gotten into wharton. the one country on earth whose elite is the biggest booster for meritocracy is in fact the least meritocratic country in the OECD.

      the wise leader kim jong trump

      August 2, 2017 at 10:54 pm

      • Harvard would be full of Asian nerds and have a very bad football team with only test-based admissions.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        August 2, 2017 at 11:06 pm

      • That’d be great. Harvard should be 18 year olds who are good at school. It shouldn’t be a referendum on your worth as a person. If it were full of asian nerds it would kill the prestige of the school.

        Magnavox

        August 3, 2017 at 12:12 am

  8. I have heard some conspiracy theory level rumblings that Trump is becoming increasing paranoid and that is part of the reason he has been attacking Sessions.

    Mike Pence has been spending a lot of time cultivating big money donors and has formed his own political action committee which has started fund raising. Now this PAC could throw its support behind the Trump-Pence ticket in 2020, but it looks like Pence is not sure Trump will be on the 2020 ticket, so he is covering his bets and putting himself in a position he could make a run for the nomination in 2020. There are rumors that Ted Cruz has started fund raising for a 2020 run too, maybe against Trump (which seems to me would be suicidal if Trump runs).

    Perhaps Pence thinks Trump will get bored and not run in 2020, but this kind of fund raising by a VP is very unusual. Some people think Trump is getting spooked by this and believe Trump is suspicious that Pence is conspiring with cabinet officials to get Trump removed as president, perhaps by impeachment, perhaps by the 25th amendment. People think this is why Trump turned on Sessions. He is worried Sessions is conspiring with Pence is some way to removed him so Pence can become president.

    By the way, the idea that Pence and the Cabinet would remove Trump using the 25th amendment is pretty crazy. It Pence and 50% or the Cabinet certified that Trump was unable to be president, all Trump has to do is send a letter to Congress saying he is able to serve. It would then require a 2/3 vote of both houses of Congress to find him unable to serve. Even if Congress did vote that he was unable to serve, Trump could send another letter saying he was now ready to serve every 21 days and require another 2/3 vote to prevent him from serving.

    mikeca

    August 2, 2017 at 11:11 am

    • By the way, the idea that Pence and the Cabinet would remove Trump using the 25th amendment is pretty crazy.

      You’re the only one who keeps bringing this up.

      Andrew E.

      August 2, 2017 at 11:39 am

    • @ mikeca

      There is no way Pence is plotting against Trump. He’s probably not a brilliant man, but you need only look at him to know he’s loyal.

      Also, there’s no way Trump doesn’t know that, which is probably why he chose Pence to begin with. Maybe you don’t realize this, because you don’t identify with the experience of loyalty.

      Pence is fundraising because there’s a strong chance Trump won’t even run in 2020. He’s old, and Pence is still young.

      Lowe

      August 2, 2017 at 1:21 pm

  9. This will disparately impact college queers, depriving them of BBC.

    Department 11

    August 2, 2017 at 12:02 pm

    • Actually, one of the biggest grievances in the Black Gay World is that white homosexuals want nothing to do with them.

      Richard

      August 2, 2017 at 12:31 pm

  10. AA is not illegal. The supreme court recently upheld U of Michigan’s Law School’s AA plan while striking down the undergrad plan.

    In theory the Supreme Court’s allowance for school diversity is limited, in practice it has barely changed anything.

    Pop

    August 2, 2017 at 12:56 pm

  11. Neogaf is ultra pissed about this

    Otis the Sweaty

    August 2, 2017 at 2:43 pm

    • Nice! Please expand?

      driveallnight

      August 2, 2017 at 10:28 pm

  12. the “internal document” did not mention any race.

    if admissions were determined exclusively by the SAT at elite schools, the results would be: whites would be at least their fraction of the general population, east asians, both ne and south, would increase, blacks and latinos would drop out almost entirely, but not entirely.

    it’s very important to do this to force the issue of race and ability. affirmative action is designed to cover it up, yet makes it more conspicuous.

    according to unz, if admission didn’t require applying (a big if), jewish representation would be no more than 6%, the fraction of national merit scholars who identify as jewish. the jewish representation at elite schools seems to be exaggerated by hillel by at least 2x.

    the one group whose numbers would go up the most would be whites whose parents aren’t rich.
    this was the conclusion of espenshade and unz. and they would go up by a lot. this demonstrates that college professor style “liberals” are in fact arrant classists. they wouldn’t survive a purge.

    the wise leader kim jong trump

    August 2, 2017 at 6:23 pm

  13. For most of its existence, Harvard was half finishing-school for the oldish-money elite and half academically rigorous research university.

    Mark Caplan

    August 3, 2017 at 9:29 pm


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