Lion of the Blogosphere

A quote from Stranger in a Strange Land

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I used to think I was serving humanity . . . and I pleasured in the thought. Then I discovered that humanity does not want to be served; on the contrary it resents any attempt to serve it. So now I do what pleases Jubal Harshaw.

Jubal Harshaw seems to be the character who represents Heinlein himself. But a richer and more accomplished version of himself, who has rather weird and polyamorous relationships with women that for Heinlein only exist in his fictional stories. In the 21st century, Heinlein is typically seen as “misogynistic.”

The best parts of Heinlein are these pearls of wisdom which appear from time to time, and which I was too young to appreciate when I first read Heinlein as a teenager. It’s generally a type of libertarian viewpoint, true atheist libertarianism and not Ron Paul’s weird post-confederate states’ rights Christian paleoconservatism pretending to be libertarianism.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

August 6, 2017 at 3:07 pm

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  1. In the 21st century, Heinlein is typically seen as “misogynistic.”

    His type is still around – MRA, MGTOW, red pill/blue pill, “women hate beta males and only like bad boys, jerks not Nice Guys. OH well!” type

    It’s generally a type of libertarian viewpoint, true atheist libertarianism

    He was a type. White male, autism spectrum, atheist, believed he was smarter than the average “sheep-person”. The unappreciated genius who turns his back on the world.

    It’s generally a type of libertarian viewpoint, true atheist libertarianism

    He was a type. White male, autism spectrum, atheist, believed he was smarter than the average “sheep-person”. The unappreciated genius who turns his back on the world.

    Rifleman

    August 6, 2017 at 4:29 pm

    • In The Moon is a Harsh Mistress women are scarce on the Moon, and this is supposed to explain why a rapist is handed over to a crowd of angry women who tear him apart.

      I can see why rape would be a extra-bad crime in a situation of woman-shortage — men would be especially interested in making sure that women are acquired fairly, in accordance with the rules. Would a crowd of angry women really tear a rapist apart, as they’re expected to, though? I mean, do they do this because they’re told to, or because they’re so angry?

      Supposedly because they’re so angry. But would they really be angry in that tearing-apart way? Tearing someone apart can’t be pleasant for the render. You’d have to be super-violently angry to be motivated to do it. A woman might get this angry at her own husband, but at a stranger who’s raped another woman? I don’t know. Anyway, this episode doesn’t seem very red pillish.

      Garr

      August 6, 2017 at 5:11 pm

  2. Thought you’d appreciate this, Lion: “What will Democrats do next time they win the presidency?”

    https://nationalistperspective.wordpress.com/2017/08/06/what-will-democrats-do-next-time-they-win-the-presidency/

    nationalistperspective

    August 6, 2017 at 5:24 pm

  3. Heinlein really hated religion and it’s surprising he could be so open about it in the early 60s. This one passage reminded me of some the things I considered when creating my G-Man Social Intelligence Test (1st Edition):

    “A confidence man knows he’s lying; that limits his scope. But a successful shaman believes what he says– and belief is contagious; there is no limit to his scope. But I lacked the necessary confidence in my own infallibility; I could never become a prophet…just a critic–a sort of fourth-rate prophet with delusions of gender.”– Jubal speaking about religion (particularly Fosterism)

    Actually, even confidence men have to some extent believe their lies are justifiable. That they have to lie and cheat because everyone else is doing it. Even the most hardcore psychopaths justify their behaviors in some way. But anyhow…

    P.S. I think “gender” was a typographical error, surely grandeur was meant.

    GondwanaMan

    August 6, 2017 at 7:02 pm

  4. While he keeps a realistic/libertarian viewpoint present or explored in his works, Heinlein warned against people assuming he had a Mary Sue or that the books represented his opinions. He created a set of circumstances and followed them through. His interested in process, not issues.

    Since I pretty much lived like Jubal, don’t see what’s weird about it. I do realize most folks need to get out more. Too old for that now…

    rob

    August 7, 2017 at 2:30 am

    • *He’s interested in process, not issues.

      rob

      August 7, 2017 at 2:31 am


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