Lion of the Blogosphere

What is Petyr “Littlefinger” Baelish up to?

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Littlefinger has, what Scott Adams would describe, as a system rather than a goal, which is why viewers get confused at trying to figure out what he’s up to.

Littlefinger’s system is to make himself more and more politically powerful, without any regard to the morality of doing so. Littlefinger would kill his own mother if he thought that, in the long run, it would make him more powerful. But the key thing to remember is that Littlefinger thinks many moves ahead. He knows that in the long run people hate men who kill their own mothers, so he would be unlikely to do something like that for a short-term advantage.

Unlike Lord Varys who is only interested in working in the shadows, Littlefinger wants to openly wield his power. The most powerful person in Westeros is the King who sits on the Iron Throne, and Littlefinger wants to get there, but if Littlefinger ever got that far (which is unlikely, I predict a bad end for Littlefinger), he’d immediately start working on also becoming king of the other continent.

However, Littlefinger’s system is flawed because he had unrequited oneitis for Catelyn Stark (even though he used to own a brothel and could have had his pick of the hottest prostitutes in King’s Landing), and now he seems to have creepy oneitis for Sansa. His oneitis is definitely getting in the way of him making sound decisions in accordance with his system for making himself more powerful.

Let’s not forget that the reason Littlefinger is hanging around Winterfell is because in season 6, he showed up with his knights from the Vale, which he now runs after killing the crazy bitch who was previously in charge (and who was also his wife at the time), and saved Jon Snow’s army from defeat. And because of his oneitis for Sansa, he doesn’t want to leave.

Currently, as part of his system, it appears that Littlefinger is trying to create discord between Sansa and Jon Snow, thinking that any “chaos” created by them not getting along will be to Littlefinger’s advantage.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

August 7, 2017 at 3:45 pm

Posted in Television

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  1. if lion were interested in class he wouldn’t review this shlock. he also wouldn’t say …without any regards to…

    he might review Brideshead, the novel and the movie. or A Handful of Dust.

    the wise leader kim jong trump

    August 7, 2017 at 4:19 pm

    • movie or miniseries?

      Magnavox

      August 7, 2017 at 4:31 pm

    • 1. I crowdsource my editing. (The downside is the loss of self-esteem you suffer when the crowdsourced editors tell you how stupid you are for making a mistake.)
      2. I enjoy watching GoT. I have a lot of non-elite habits. Too bad.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      August 7, 2017 at 4:38 pm

    • GoT is extremely popular with upper-middle and upper-class people, so much so that it’s my default smalltalk with them. It’s popular across class boundaries, like oysters, working out, professional sports, sub sandwiches, Subarus and checking accounts.

      snorlaxwp

      August 7, 2017 at 5:23 pm

      • Has its demographics changed over time? The show has definitely gotten a lot dumber over the years.

        Magnavox

        August 7, 2017 at 10:33 pm

      • Yes; it was initially popular only among SWPLs but as its ratings have increased it’s become popular with everyone except blacks.

        Playing to the audience is part of the reason for the decrease in quality, the others being running out of source material (and being unable to create new material to GRRM’s standard), killing off so many characters that only the Mary Sues are left standing, and larger budgets meaning more time for CGI dragon/zombie fights at the expense of talking scenes.

        snorlaxwp

        August 8, 2017 at 12:23 am

  2. I like Littlefinger. I don’t like the way romanticism is depicted as purely a character flaw.

    The fashion in all popular media is to worship the “game” way of thinking. I hope Martin – a man, like Trump, born in an earlier age – resists temptation and in the books doesn’t denigrate what ought to be seen as Littlefinger’s redeeming feature. It can be his downfall if that’s needed for the plot, but it should be presented sympathetically.

    Francis

    August 7, 2017 at 5:26 pm

    • i don’t thing there is any indication in the books that Littlefinger is going to go down that path. My guess is Littlefinger is going to succeed wildly in all his plotting until it is all undone by the one thing he hadn’t planned on- the long winter and the army of the dead. The show didn’t have time to get in to all the elaborate Littlefinger plotting Martin still intends, so they just turned him in to a retard who gives away Sansa to the Boltons and then follows her to Winterfell to serve as her lovesick puppy.

      PerezHBD

      August 7, 2017 at 8:13 pm

    • “…in the books…”

      There’s never going to be another book, so fuhgedaboutit.

      peterike

      August 7, 2017 at 11:39 pm

  3. Jaime doesn’t have an angle, because he’s never had an angle. And he’s never had an angle because he’s never needed one. He’s been a Lannister. In the King’s guard. The best swordsman. Had a woman. Kids. As long as dad kept the realm together, he was just along for the ride.

    Now he’s got no job. He’s underwater in armor. His woman is a monster and she’s building Frankensteins with some evil wizard. His kids are dead –the last one by suicide thanks to his woman’s monster-ways. His dad is dead. His brother is a declared enemy supporting the huge foreign witch with a capital ‘B’ who just tried to smoke him.

    And he still doesn’t have an angle? Well, he’d dang well better get an angle, and right now!

    I think/hope Bronn saved him and the two of them, or Dickon too, and anticipate/would like to see them all hang out, pick their way through the ashes and get a plan. De-throne Cersei –because she’s not just a monster but she’s a military idiot leaving them strung out there. Unless that was Jaime’s fault. Beat Dany and kill the dragons. Because Westeros. And of course the Dothraki have to go back.

    And who is going to lead? Dickon? No experience. Too young. Bronn? Criminal. No pedigree.

    So it’s up to Jaime to lead.

    And all those three need to do is somehow not drown or die during this rout, get up, and then, from nothing, raise and train the best army Westeros has ever seen, one capable of shooting down dragons too.

    Jaime as Cromwell?

    CMC

    August 7, 2017 at 7:22 pm

    • Reading this made me realize something… I’d been ridiculing the fact that apparently had no info (scouts, spotters, peasant travelers, whatever) to alert them to the presence of a sizable army of savages in their general vicinity. And I just remembered the fact that they (specifically Jamie and Bronn) made a bid fuss out of the Freys not posting any sentries around their siege at Riverrun. Even if the writers intended that as irony, it still beggars belief that they would be so stupid. Which just goes to show that the writers are morons. As if you needed any more evidence.

      Anonymous Funk

      August 8, 2017 at 12:08 am

      • Morons because they couldn’t come up with a plausible explanation for the surprise.

        Anonymous Funk

        August 8, 2017 at 12:09 am

  4. Marin is much better at developing an actual plot than the show writers are now that they’ve moved past the source material. I don’t think the show writers have any idea what to do with him and his resolution will be stupid, because the show writers aren’t capable of coming up with a real plan, motivation, goal for him like Martin probably has in mind.

    chairman

    August 7, 2017 at 8:31 pm

    • I thought Martin had told them what happens.

      Vince

      August 8, 2017 at 1:48 am

    • I don’t buy the problem being running past the books. I haven’t read the books but the show indicates a decline in quality from the first one on. Daenarys starting sucking in the second season. Jamie started sucking when they started clumsily making him sympathetic in the third season. Jon Snow just isn’t interesting enough to sustain the increasing levels of attention his character has gotten over the seasons. The primary problem with the show is weakness of the daenerys and Jon Snow characters and their centrality to the plot, which as far as I can tell comes from Martin.

      Magnavox

      August 8, 2017 at 7:35 am

      • It was also poorly cast, which is understandable for the child actors none of whom have matured into competent performers. But it’s bewildering that they got such shitty british actors for Daenarys and Jon Snow.

        Magnavox

        August 8, 2017 at 7:37 am

    • Agreed. Martin’s main problem is his tendency to get lost in the weeds when writing, but it’s very easy to sidestep these issues when converting for the series. Now that his material is used up, the writers appear to be floundering pretty bad.

      At this point I only watch because I’ve got so much time invested that I want to see the ending. But the quality of work is significantly down from the early seasons.

      GSP

      August 8, 2017 at 10:33 am

  5. “Chaos is a ladder,” the comment Bran tossed at Littlefinger, is one that Littlefinger used in an earlier season, so if anything, he should believe that Bran really does have visions. But I don’t see any way Littlefinger gets what he wants, the Iron Throne via Sansa.

    Mike Street Station

    August 7, 2017 at 10:32 pm

    • thanks for that nugget. Didn’t remember him saying that (or read enough GOT online crap to have picked it up elsewhere)

      Anonymous Funk

      August 8, 2017 at 12:00 am

    • Is there any evidence that anyone (Sansa, Bran, otherwise) has told Littlefinger (or anyone other than Arya, at this point) about Bran’s visions?

      Anonymous Funk

      August 8, 2017 at 12:10 am

      • Littlefinger clearly picked up on the fact that Bran threw his “chaos is a ladder” comment back at him. The biggest thing littlefinger has to worry about is Bran learning that he killed his wife to get control of the vale. It’s that political position and the army it gives him control over that are central to everything for him.

        Magnavox

        August 8, 2017 at 7:42 am

  6. Lion: how much of your time spent at work are you actually working?

    I have been working from home on a contract basis for the last year but I think the job is about to end so I will be back to working in an office and I want to know how much actual work I will be expected to do.

    Otis the Sweaty

    August 7, 2017 at 11:26 pm

    • Lion: how much of your time spent at work are you actually working?

      I’m not sure Lion should answer that.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      August 8, 2017 at 1:40 am

    • I’m wondering if this google fracas has Lion questioning whether he should be posting at all at work.

      Magnavox

      August 8, 2017 at 7:29 am

  7. Speaking of Littlefinger… If Bran can see so much, he should know how evil Littlefinger is. They should kill him anyway. He’s too dangerous. Sansa should just accuse him of rape and they could kill him right on the spot, especially since Tommen outlawed trial by combat. No one would blame, or even question her. He has no leverage to have been allowed to hang around, and he can’t be allowed to leave and plot their end. Again, stoopid writers overplayed their hand and are now in a ridiculously unrealistic position.

    Anonymous Funk

    August 8, 2017 at 1:06 am

    • He has no leverage to have been allowed to hang around

      He controls the knights of the vale and is the only reason the Starks control Winterfell.

      Magnavox

      August 8, 2017 at 7:30 am

    • He’s the lord of the Vale and his knights (who I assume for some reason are still in Winterfell) are the reason Jon is King and not dead. Killing him on the spot based on the word of a creepy crippled boy ( a Lordling Stark not withstanding) would be complicated at best. Nobody in the show understands Bran’s situation the way that we the audience do, so it will be a while before they can act on it. He has value to them on that he can provide information that they frankly can’t get from anyone else. I also think that Sansa somewhat likes him.

      27 year old from sailers

      August 8, 2017 at 9:55 am

      • >He has value to them on that he can provide information that they frankly can’t get from anyone else. I also think that Sansa somewhat likes him.

        The he/him here refers to little finger.

        Also, Tommen outlawing trial by combat has no relevance as they don’t acknowledge the southern throne anymore.

        27 year old from sailers

        August 8, 2017 at 9:58 am

      • Maybe he tells Arya and she ‘no names’ him.

        CMC

        August 8, 2017 at 10:52 am

      • The lords of the vale would not give a shit about LittleFinger dying. They obviously wouldn’t simply him publicly on the word of Bran. Jeez, use your imagination here. Don’t you know that OJ’s blood was planted at the scene?

        I also think that Sansa somewhat likes him.

        I considered this, but it’s so disturbing that i would rather place the blame for the absurdity of it all on poor writing. On the other hand, if she turns out to be evil, then it will at least be more interesting.

        And there’s the lazy fallback position that we are omniscient observers, but really everyone knows how evil his is. At least Sansa (via observation) and Jon (via intuition at least) do.

        Anonymous Funk

        August 8, 2017 at 11:31 am

  8. Yea, apparently, Arya can kill anyone with ease. I suppose it would be interesting to think about who might be able to see past her faceless trick. Or maybe someone’s pet. Who has pets?

    Anonymous Funk

    August 8, 2017 at 11:34 am

  9. I’m only through season 4 but I find littlefinger one of the duller and more predictable characters. I also get a strong gaydar from the actor. The best characters imvho in GOT are the ones with marked inner inconsistencies who nevertheless are believable (Jaime in a good example of this, both horrible and noble). Littlefinger is one note in that respect and kind of a snoozefest.

    toomanyspiders

    August 8, 2017 at 12:47 pm

  10. Hey, you know what we’re doing now? We’re watching people who are watching Game of Thrones. Yup.

    http://chicagoist.com/2017/08/08/watch_game_of_thrones_viewers_lose.php

    peterike

    August 8, 2017 at 2:51 pm


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