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Huge statue of Chinese deity covered in sheet

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It is a pretty ugly and tacky statute.

It probably isn’t wise to build such huge religious statutes when you’re a minority religion.

If it were a huge statue of Jesus built by American evangelists, the tone of the New York Times article would have been a lot less neutral and a lot more “stupid xtians keep your religion to yourselves.”

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

August 10, 2017 at 9:16 am

Posted in International, Religion

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  1. Asian art in general is pretty tacky. Not much sense of the sublime.

    Richard

    August 10, 2017 at 9:40 am

    • Ironically, Medieval Muslims, especially those of Persia, were admirers of the slanty style of cartoon art.

      How are these figures depicted on the painting any different in style, from the appearance of the statue now being covered in sheet in Indonesia?

      JS

      August 10, 2017 at 9:58 am

    • I like the Chinese Buddhist sculpture-room (from 11th century, maybe 12th too, I think) in the Met a lot. (Also, the big tapestry at the entrance-lobby to the whole Asian wing there is sublime in a quiet way.)

      At the Brooklyn Museum right now, on the ground floor, there’s a exhibit of mixed-up art that has blue in it; there’s an 18th century Japanese “lion-dog” in one of the cases that’s really intense — a Japanese improvement on a Chinese theme, I think.

      Garr

      August 10, 2017 at 11:16 am

    • Traditional Chinese music is about as bad as it gets.

      Lewis Medlock

      August 10, 2017 at 4:45 pm

      • Some of the Chinese folk music they play in Sunset Park (summer nights they do all of this group-dancing stuff in the park there) sounds like old-time American folk music — Carter-family-type stuff.

        Garr

        August 10, 2017 at 8:46 pm

    • Ironically (?), there’s a real Greek contribution to the iconic Asian tradition of Buddhist statues. The earliest versions of those statues appear in the post-Alexander Hellenistic kingdom in what’s now Afghanistan, and spread from there to China and back to India (Buddhism entered China mostly from the west, what’s now Muslim Central Asia).

      Greg Pandatshang

      August 11, 2017 at 12:22 am

  2. Tell the Muslims they’re welcome to put up statues of their own deity.

    Anthony

    August 10, 2017 at 9:51 am

  3. This is what you do when you’re culturally ascendant. The Chinese do this kind of thing without apology. They know they’re winning. Meanwhile, in America we tear down Confederate statues in ceremonies of self-hatred, but we’re perfectly fine when Muslims build tacky mosques here, or the Chinese flood into Flushing, Queens, and make the place look like Shanghai. We sit back and take it.

    This is a street in Flushing. In America.

    peterike

    August 10, 2017 at 9:55 am

    • The confederacy lost the war. Losers don’t get statues.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      August 10, 2017 at 10:01 am

      • Koreatown in Manhattan attracts many non-Asians so it must be of a higher status. Real estate is all about location, just ask Donald Trump and Jared Kushner.

        JS

        August 10, 2017 at 10:22 am

      • Guan YU was a prominant Chinese general that was executed after he lost his last battle (by the opposing force, mind you). He was deified some years later.

        So, here’s one loser who got, not only statues, but deification as well.

        Half Canadian

        August 10, 2017 at 12:38 pm

      • The statues are being torn down 150 years later. Winning or losing has nothing to do with it. Obama discarded a statue of Churchill, a “winner”, for reasons closely related to the Confederate statues being destroyed.

        The South was not beaten utterly — not nearly so utterly as, say, Germany after WW2. The peace was a compromise, and part of that compromise was the South being allowed to retain some symbols.

        Wency

        August 10, 2017 at 12:39 pm

      • For Wency, regarding your Slatestar comment (can’t comment there because system’s too complicated, so commenting here; sorry, Lion) “I would only add that the one philosophy that would align with morality being something like “an empirically discoverable fact about the universe” is divine command theory, or at least some form of theism (for a very soft definition of “empirical”).” — agreed, except that I’d say “divine will theory” not “divine command theory” (What God Wants, not What God Commands), for two reasons: (1) it isn’t clear what a command even is, or whether it’s even possible to command someone to do something that you know he won’t do; more importantly, (2) Divine Will Theory explains Goodness in general, including Moral Goodness, while Divine Command Theory only purports to explain Rightness/Duty, and requires a supplementary explanation of Goodness.

        Garr

        August 10, 2017 at 2:00 pm

      • Yeah, I feel uneasy about the anti-statue removal protests myself. There’s something really weird about the winners in a war (northerners in this case) going to the losers’ territory to insist that they keep up statues of the losing generals. I’m totally sympathetic if the southerners want to protest and keep their statues and Confederate flags themselves.

        Greg Pandatshang

        August 11, 2017 at 12:18 am

    • I remember when there was only one Chinese business in Flushing. It was a large Chinese restaurant called Lum’s and it was on Northern Boulevard across from Flushing High School. This was probably in the early 1970s.

      Lewis Medlock

      August 10, 2017 at 10:38 am

      • “I remember when there was only one Chinese business in Flushing.”

        Yup. That’s the thing to realize here. That the Chinese have literally colonized a large chunk of Queens and made it there own. And this goes way out into Bayside, where it shifts into more Korean than Chinese, but it’s still a land grab. These used to be nice white neighborhoods. Now the Asians dominate and the remaining stragglers of white people have to live on streets that have been transformed into another nation.

        I’m curious, is there a similar situation anywhere in China? Are there “AmericaTowns” where all the people are white Americans and all the signs in English? I have my doubts.

        peterike

        August 10, 2017 at 12:04 pm

      • South Africa was like that.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        August 10, 2017 at 12:32 pm

      • @ peterike

        Yeah, and Bayside’s changed significantly over just the past ten years or so. It’ll just be another Flushing in another ten.

        Renault

        August 10, 2017 at 2:19 pm

      • “South Africa was like that.”

        Only after they let immigrants from other regions in. Whites were in South Africa first.

        destructure

        August 10, 2017 at 6:55 pm

      • south africa was like what? i don’t follow. ZA post 1994 is a crime against humanity. but verwoerd was an immigrant. he wasn’t an afrikaner. sad!

        We settled a country bare. And he Bantu came in this country and settled certain portions for themselves.

        https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0bd_1184765135

        p. w. botha

        August 10, 2017 at 7:36 pm

    • I think peterike is spot on- the Times doesnt get the irony that they are cat calling for Confederate statues to be ripped down by the slavering mob.

      But as a practical question- where did the Javaneese get that huge bed sheet to cover the ugly statue?

      Lion o' the Turambar

      August 10, 2017 at 4:43 pm

  4. Count the white people crossing the street in Flushing, Queens. This is what submission looks like.

    peterike

    August 10, 2017 at 9:57 am

    • That’s one neighborhood, and it’s safer than a black neighborhood.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      August 10, 2017 at 10:01 am

      • I found this ad — I guess if Rosenmops is reading — it becomes very relevant.

        Elite Whites love non-whites the same way I love my clientele.

        JS

        August 10, 2017 at 10:11 am

      • Maybe so. But blacks have a right to be there. Immigrants don’t.

        destructure

        August 10, 2017 at 10:24 am

      • These guys are all Jewish, damn!

        Yakov

        August 10, 2017 at 11:16 am

      • “That’s one neighborhood, and it’s safer than a black neighborhood.”

        Yes, Flushing is one neighborhood but this type of transformation has been replicated all over the country. The sheer number of neighborhoods/towns/cities that have radically changed due to immigration is staggering. All of the Democrats and 90% of the Republicans backed this 100%. To any person with any degree of attachment to traditional America, these changes are simply unacceptable.

        Lewis Medlock

        August 10, 2017 at 12:09 pm

      • Holden and Davies aren’t Jewish surnames. Wiseman – perhaps!

        JS

        August 10, 2017 at 12:37 pm

      • Submission? Indeed, Peterike, have you ever been physically intimidated or made to feel unsafe by East Asians? Because I have not, and I have spent time in East Asia as the only white face in a sea of yellow.

        By contrast, if I find myself in a place that is 30% black, I start thinking I need to GTFO.

        Wency

        August 10, 2017 at 12:45 pm

      • Queens also have a lot Bukharian and Iranian Jews. The tensions between them and the longtime White natives are of different flavor and have do with ostentation – rub it in your face attitude, “I have money, and you don’t, and this is my large mansion and luxury cars parked alongside with it. Don’t like it, then move and we’ll put more of them in your place”.

        But yes, Peterike’s gripe is all about American capitalism. Humans are like businesses . One group displaces another, because money is da king.

        JS

        August 10, 2017 at 2:06 pm

      • JS, I think you are right and that’s a good thing. I guess the ambulance chasers are trying to make it like the rest of us, but offering their services in half a dozen Asian languages is a bad sign for all of us.

        Yakov

        August 10, 2017 at 4:43 pm

      • Maybe so. But blacks have a right to be there. Immigrants don’t.

        specifically blacks who are the descendants of american slaves.

        jamaicans and ghanaians have no more right to be there than chinese.

        p. w. botha

        August 10, 2017 at 7:39 pm

      • Peterike’s gripe is all about American capitalism.

        ultimately JS is correct and self-professed “conservative libertarians” are made fools of…by the FACTS.

        swaziland and lesotho are still independent countries.

        the national party could have permanently segregated the the zulus and xhosa and others in the same way.

        they didn’t.

        why?

        because GREEDY business owners/CAPITALISTS profited from black labor and corrupted the national party. ZA and the bantustans became economically one.

        libertarian capitalism is inherently globalist and anti-nation-state.

        sad that so few self-proclaimed libertarians grok this.

        p. w. botha

        August 10, 2017 at 7:46 pm

      • Yakov — You’re a contradicting guy. Why do you like America? Money, the same reason why everybody else regardless of race wants to come to America and stay here, because there is money to be made.

        Racist hypocrites are always spouting sh*t from their mouth. America only cares about money. Even the guido Scarmucci wants Chinese investment, because it will fatten his pocket.

        I wish I was a citizen of French Speaking Canada. There is no money there, compared to America. Just nicer people who don’t think about the things that only concern Americans.

        JS

        August 10, 2017 at 7:47 pm

      • The ad’s from Vancouver not NYC and I’m pretty sure only in Chinese.

        snorlaxwp

        August 10, 2017 at 8:50 pm

      • I meant you right that only one guy was Jewish and that was a good thing. Man, pay attention, please.

        America is the land of the free. We loved American literature back in the USSR: Jack London, Fenimore Cooper, Mark Twain, O’Henry, Mayne Reid – you name it and I’d read them all back then. Only to a moron thinks that America is only about money. America is unique in a very special way, nor everyone is cut out for it though, and that’s OK. What’s not OK is to keep trashing it every opportunity without rhyme or reason.

        Yakov

        August 10, 2017 at 9:22 pm

      • “libertarian capitalism is inherently globalist and anti-nation-state”

        Spoken to a few non-Anglo Euro expats here in the states and they understood exactly the problems that are discussed on this blog. Most Anglo Proles however look the other way and are in denial, either that or they too stupid to understand that contemporary America and the rest of the Anglo world have literally choked on their own globalist policies that are being rammed into the throats of non-Anglo entities.

        JS

        August 10, 2017 at 9:55 pm

      • “libertarian capitalism is inherently globalist and anti-nation-state.

        You blame libertarian capitalism. You also claim scandinavian countries are a socialist paradise. Yet they’re doing the same things with globalism and anti-nattion state. Perhaps the problem has less to do with the economic system as the political system? We need to repeal and replace democracy.

        destructure

        August 10, 2017 at 10:34 pm

      • i AGREE with destructure when “democracy” is taken to mean the existing forms of government in western europe and the white dominions.

        but these aren’t democracies.

        AND…

        the US has no chance vs…

        /

        100% mexican from the state of oaxaca

        August 12, 2017 at 9:07 pm

  5. “It probably isn’t wise to build such huge religious statutes when you’re a minority religion.”

    Indeed. I wouldn’t want Indonesia immigrants building a huge statue of Mohammed (if they allow that kind of thing) in China, so this is just pointless provocation.

    Jason Liu

    August 10, 2017 at 10:00 am

  6. Putting up monuments, statues, etc is the equivalent of a dog marking its territory. It’s okay if it’s your territory. Otherwise, it’s a provocation. I rarely side with muslims because they’re usually the ones pulling stunts like this. But I’m with the Indonesians 100% on this one.

    destructure

    August 10, 2017 at 10:15 am

    • From the article:
      “The (relatively) slow pace of deportations since Trump came into office is partly because of something Trump’s been bragging about: the decline in people crossing into the US from Mexico without papers”

      Obama’s “deportations” were vastly inflated.
      “In 2013, almost two-thirds of deportations were in that category.”
      http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-obama-deportations-20140402-story.html

      So really, we need to compare “real” deportations.
      “… from an average 20,000 deportations per month in 2016 to an average of 16,900 over the first five months of Trump’s presidency.”

      Let’s assume the two-thirds figure from 2013 carried over to 2016 for arguments sake.

      So the “real” deportation figure per month for 2016 was around one-third of 20,000, or 6,700 per month.

      Which would mean that Trump has actually INCREASED deportation by 250% (to 16,900 per month). Damn fine job. if I may say.

      Of course I could be entirely wrong here. I’ve shown my working, so feel free to correct me.
      The key question is: Are the Trump figures “real”, or do they cheat, like the Obama ones?

      gda

      August 11, 2017 at 4:39 pm

  7. If it were a huge statue of Jesus built by American evangelists, the tone of the Jew York Times article would be a lot less neutral and a lot more “stupid White xtians, keep your religion to yourselves.”

    hard9bf

    August 10, 2017 at 10:54 am

  8. This statue is an Idol and idols are forbidden and have to be destroyed. This is a no brainer.

    Yakov

    August 10, 2017 at 11:35 am

  9. So in a Confucian temple do they have a lot of “Confucius say” jokes painted on the walls? I used to love those as a kid.

    Confucius say, man who go to bed with itchy ass wake up with smelly fingers!

    Confucius say, virginity like balloon. One prick, all gone!

    Who says the Chinese aren’t funny?

    peterike

    August 10, 2017 at 1:42 pm

    • So in a Confucian temple do they have a lot of “Confucius say” jokes painted on the walls? I used to love those as a kid.

      You’re joking but it really wouldn’t surprise me. By Western standards the Chinese have a shocking lack of aesthetic propriety. One reason old Chinese paintings look like such a mess is because generations of owners deliberately defaced them to stamp their personal seals upon them and write shitty poems in praise of the artwork they were wrecking.

      Richard

      August 10, 2017 at 3:55 pm

      • Let’s see if this shows:

        Richard

        August 11, 2017 at 10:16 am

  10. They should have put a black sheet over it and then claimed it was the world’s biggest monument to Islamic Feminism. The oohs and aahs from Times readers would be resounding.

    Lionel of the Richiesphere

    August 10, 2017 at 3:18 pm

  11. I thought there were always Chinatowns in New York and that they were the inspiration for the Tin Pan Alley song about Chinatown.

    Tom

    August 10, 2017 at 3:58 pm

    • There used to be only one Chinatown in NYC. Now there are five or six.

      Lewis Medlock

      August 10, 2017 at 5:00 pm

    • “Mills Brothers”

      This song reminds me of damn near every Woody Allen movie I have ever seen.

      John D'oh

      August 10, 2017 at 11:52 pm

  12. Evangelicals likely wouldn’t put up a statue. They have more of an austere and iconoclastic tendency similar to Muslims that identifies statues and monuments with idolatry, polytheism, and paganism. Statues are more of a Catholic thing, like the big Jesus statue they have in Rio de Janeiro.

    Tom

    August 10, 2017 at 4:08 pm

    • They (at least the televangelist-type denominations) put up giant crosses quite a bit, which would presumably be pretty triggering to Muslims (see: Red Cross).

      snorlaxwp

      August 10, 2017 at 10:13 pm

  13. The subject of high vs. low trust society often comes up in discussion on this blog. So in these high trust European societies citizens obey laws and pay taxes and that’s somehow supposed to be a good thing for them. Mates, are you mad? The European and US, Canadian, New Zealand and Australian governments have been destroying their natios without a popular mandate and against the wishes and best interests of their population! And it makes no difference if the government is left or right – they are all enemies of the people. I’m not low trust, I’m zero trust when it comes to government. Any sensible man should have realized it a long time ago.

    In Indonesia the people are fighting for what’s important to them and making progress and that is a healthy principle for everyone. They should demolish that idol.

    Yakov

    August 10, 2017 at 8:54 pm

  14. I’m going to disagree with the majority here. I love it that the minorities in Indonesia are saying “fuck you” to Islam. I support the existence of the statue. Indonesian muslims be damned.

    afrocircus

    August 11, 2017 at 6:47 am

    • Indonesia is a go-to example for the Muslim apologists, as one of the few Muslim majority countries which is still “secular”.

      But its only a matter of time…..

      gda

      August 11, 2017 at 4:43 pm

      • And the time is running out.

        Yakov

        August 13, 2017 at 7:16 am

      • I replaced your link, I hope that’s what you meant. Yes, Indonesia is obviously not a free society.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        August 13, 2017 at 8:10 am


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