Lion of the Blogosphere

Reminder: South Korea is one of the world’s most technologically advanced countries

South Koreans make computer chips, smartphones, LCD screens. They have the most technologically advanced railroads. They make cars that are good enough to compete in the United States. Bloomberg says that South Korea is the top most-innovative country in the world.

North Koreans share the same genes, but North Korea is held back by totalitarian communist government.

There’s no comparison between Koreans and Persians. The latter may be smarter than Arabs, but that’s not saying much. The only country in the Middle East that comes close to South Korea is Israel.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

August 11, 2017 at EST am

Posted in Biology, International

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  1. I believe a few black entertainers approached Mr. Gangnam about his dance moves, only to find out that it requires a lot of thought, and thus it wasn’t their thing. This is HBD for you.

    Mr. Gangnam was also interviewed by a few White women, only to find out they weren’t so keen on him, due to the low sexual attractiveness of East Asian men outside of their continent. This is HBD for you.

    JS

    August 11, 2017 at EST am

    • The fact that the man in question is a depressive alcoholic might explain more than race.

      Jesse

      August 11, 2017 at EST am

    • That’s confirmation bias more than anything.

      Magnavox

      August 11, 2017 at EST pm

    • his moves don’t require any thought. wtf r u talking about?

      GondwanaMan

      August 11, 2017 at EST pm

  2. Not sure if Israel is on par with Seoul, technologically. The culture of the Ashkenazim is not very interesting and neither is the culture of the Koreans. So there is no comparison, culturally, but technologically this is Seoul vs Tel Aviv:

    Any modern nation that has a ubiquitous skyscraper scene have a lower quality of life. Israel is an Anglo Prole Nation in the Middle East and all East Asian nations are staunch admirers of Anglo Prole Capitalism.

    JS

    August 11, 2017 at EST am

    • Tel Aviv had more random hot chicks on the street than any city I’ve ever been in.

      peterike

      August 11, 2017 at EST am

      • Seriously?

        driveallnight

        August 11, 2017 at EST am

      • That’s more a function of there being significant concentrations of white/whiteish middle eastern women with fat asses in a warm climate. Warm climate = less clothes = more perceived sexual availability

        Paul Ryan's Sickly Old Lapdog

        August 11, 2017 at EST pm

      • Don’t Jewish chicks have huge jugs?

        Tom

        August 11, 2017 at EST pm

    • Koreans are smart enough to understand that Jews and Anglos are superior and to immitate them.

      Yakov

      August 11, 2017 at EST pm

    • I don’t think you know anything about Israel or east Asia. Ashkenazi Jews in Israel are a minority and most of them are from East Europe, not Anglo, not even close. While Tel Aviv has some sky scrapers, most of the city consist of low rise apartment buildings, a long beach and 8 months of sunny no rain weather. It has nothing to do with Seoul, not culturally and not architecturally, it has also nothing to do with “Anglo” culture. The only similiar thing between Israel, Korea and Japan are that they are all types of “island” countries, either surrounded by sea or hostile countries. Therefore they develop their own unique culture and way of life. But if you insist to compare Tel Aviv to other cities it will be somewhere on the range between Istanbul and Barcelona, certainly not similiar to American or north European cities.

      Hashed

      August 12, 2017 at EST pm

  3. “There’s no comparison between Koreans and Persians. The latter may be smarter than Arabs, but that’s not saying much.”

    As one of those people who said Persians are smarter than Arabs, I wish to state for the record that I agree with you that Persians aren’t anywhere near Koreans. And cute Korean chicks are generally better looking than good looking Persian chicks, but that’s a matter of preference, of course.

    Does anyone know how well the average Korean in Korea speaks English? Curious about visiting South Korea but I hate going places where nobody speaks English, because I’m an ugly American.

    Funny story: one of the ladies at my Korean green grocer would always act like she could barely speak English. Just the minimum required conversation to ring up my purchase. Then one day, out of the blue, because I bring my own shopping bag, she starts talking, in very good English, all about how she wishes more people would bring bags because plastic bags create so much garbage. Go figure.

    peterike

    August 11, 2017 at EST am

    • You dislike Asians and you do business with them?

      JS

      August 11, 2017 at EST am

      • “You dislike Asians and you do business with them?”

        You mean the green grocer? Dude, in New York and Long Island, EVERY vegetable stand is owned by Koreans. There is no other option. The veggies at the supermarket generally suck, and the Koreans have good produce. If there was a white option I’d take it, but there isn’t.

        peterike

        August 11, 2017 at EST am

    • Koreans are probably the best-looking East Asians, and Chinese the ugliest. But no one in East Asia has very good English language skills. Except in Singapore.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      August 11, 2017 at EST am

      • “Koreans are probably the best-looking East Asians, and Chinese the ugliest.”

        True enough. You rarely see a truly fugly Korean, but there are loads of really ugly Chinese, especially as they get older. Sure, Chinese girls can be cute for a while, but I suspect they don’t age well. They don’t get fat necessarily (though Americanized ones might), but they really turn into nasty crones.

        One of the many things I hate about walking around in neighborhoods that have gotten very diverse — like Flushing or Jackson Heights — is how UGLY the typical person on the street is. It’s just wading through a vast sea of ugly.

        peterike

        August 11, 2017 at EST am

      • Taiwanese and Japanese are the best-looking IME. Koreans tend to look a bit “off.”

        snorlaxwp

        August 11, 2017 at EST am

      • Thai women, on average, are better looking than Korean, Japanese, Chinese, Vietnamese, and Cambodian women. I haven’t seen any Burmese women but James A. Michener said they were the best-looking women in the East.

        CamelCaseRob

        August 11, 2017 at EST am

      • Southeast Asian women all look markedly worse than Chinese, Korean, and Japanese women IMO. Their nearness to Australian Aborigines, the ugliest people on the planet, probably tainted the gene pool slightly. Japanese women are the hottest.

        If you’re indigenous Asian, the further away you get from Australia the better it is for your looks.

        Richard

        August 11, 2017 at EST pm

      • “One of the many things I hate about walking around in neighborhoods that have gotten very diverse — like Flushing or Jackson Heights…”

        I think you lapsed into progressive speak here. Flushing is definitely not diverse. It’s probably about 90% Chinese.

        Lewis Medlock

        August 11, 2017 at EST pm

      • “Japanese women are the hottest”

        I see a lot of squatty Japanese women and some of them are swarthy. The Japanese are a mixed bag. The other day I was riding the 6 train in Manhattan to the Upper East Side and I saw a Japanese couple who were tourists with a younger woman who I assume to be their daughter, but maybe not because of stark physical differences. The slim, older lady was pale as alabaster white with an aquiline nose and sunken eyes. Her husband looked like a Chinese man, and the younger woman looked very Southeast Asian, swarthy and short. And they were speaking Japanese to each other.

        JS

        August 12, 2017 at EST pm

  4. I was just speaking this week to a Korean who noted that originally the peninsula was the home base of the Chinese aristocracy/creative class (the creative minorities of the Orient it seems) and he claims that one of the starkest advances the Koreans made was to create a phonetic rather than tonal alphabet circa 1814. This was a major break from all the other Oriental cultures towards the West.

    In LA, they are further notable with how Christian they are.

    A Dilettante

    August 11, 2017 at EST am

  5. “…North Koreans share the same genes…”

    Cite your sources, please.

    Jesse

    August 11, 2017 at EST am

    • The source of common sense.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      August 11, 2017 at EST am

      • They have similar genes but probably massive epigenetic differences due to the gulf in living conditions.

        snorlaxwp

        August 11, 2017 at EST am

      • Someone has a fancy word they like to use but don’t know what it means….

        Magnavox

        August 11, 2017 at EST pm

      • Or probably not. I didn’t see that Jesse was not snorlaxwp.

        Magnavox

        August 11, 2017 at EST pm

      • That’s his fucking point.

        Paul Ryan's Sickly Old Lapdog

        August 11, 2017 at EST pm

  6. Side note: Psy is a racist. I didn’t see ANY black people in that video. Or obvious trannies. What a hater.

    peterike

    August 11, 2017 at EST am

  7. OT, back on the Hasidim theme: Interesting intersectional story about a black guy beaten up by Hasidim. Seems in New York, Hasids have more pokemon points even than blacks. And note, as I’ve said before, the hostility to the Hasidim among the normally super progressive and ‘inclusive’ commentariat.

    http://gothamist.com/2017/08/11/taj_patterson_shomrim_nypd_update.php

    peterike

    August 11, 2017 at EST am

    • I happen to know Meir personally, he is a very good piping mechanic and a we get alone fine on the job. He claims that he is being framed and is the fall guy because he doesn’t have powerful connections. I want to beleive him, but I dunno.

      On the subject of 20 guys beating up a poor nigger walking on the street and not bothering anybody, there is no way that this is right in my book. They should’ve all gone to jail. Every single one of them.

      Yakov

      August 11, 2017 at EST am

  8. Lion, this is your worst post hands down!

    First, there is no comparison between Koreans and Jews. Jews run circles around Koreans. How many Koreans earned a Nobel prize compared to Jews?

    Second, the proof is in the pudding! Koreans think that the Jews are smarter, much smarter then themselves. But being Asiatics they are totally baffled by it and can’t figure out what came first the chicken or the egg.

    https://www.google.com/amp/www.newyorker.com/books/page-turner/how-the-talmud-became-a-best-seller-in-south-korea/amp

    Anecdotally, when I walk into Korean stores with a yarmullkah and a Hebrew book in my hand, I often get special treatment.

    Last but not least, it was me who had brought up the question of comparison between South Korea and Iran. So where is my yarmullkah tip, Lion? Had I not known you better I would have had to attribute it to latent antisemitism.

    Yakov

    August 11, 2017 at EST am

    • Koreans are not the smartest of the Eastern Asians. I heard stories from the Chinese and the Japanese that Koreans are less intelligent.

      JS

      August 11, 2017 at EST pm

      • The Korean IQ trumps the Japanese and the Japs outdo the Chinese. A Chinese woman I worked with told me that that Chinese generally find the Japanese and Koreans to be duplicitous and sly. Me thinks IQ difference was the culprit.

        Roli

        August 12, 2017 at EST am

    • “Lion, this is your worst post hands down! ”

      Were you around for the Bristol Palin conspiracy posts?

      Lion o' the Turambar

      August 12, 2017 at EST pm

      • Yeah, but I don’t remember the details. Those posts were more in the realm of entertainment, this is Lion committing an HBD sin and therfore it’s serious. Jews are superior to Koreans and to claim otherwise is an outrage.

        Yakov

        August 12, 2017 at EST pm

  9. This is sort of OT, but I have seen many MSM news stories saying that North Korea has “threatened to attack Guam.”

    What North Korea actually threatened to do was a very provocative missile test. They said they were making plans to launch three missiles targeted to land in international waters 17 to 24 miles North of Guam. Andersen Air Force Base is near the north end of Guam. The missiles would pass over Japan, but at an altitude higher than what is considered a nation’s air space.

    Clearly this would be a very provocative and risky test. One or more of the missiles could accidentally hit Guam. Presumably, since this was only a missile test, the missiles would not have an actual warhead.

    Of course, this announced missile test could also be a cover for an attack on Guam, but that would seem to be totally crazy to do.

    The North Korean announcement of this missile test says only that plans are being drawn up for the test and they will be presented to Kim Jong Un soon. Given the sort of school yard bully boy tactics being used by both NK and Trump, I would expect Kim to approve the plan.

    Clearly the point of this test would be to demonstrate the NK could attack Guam, but they did not actually say they were going to attack Guam.

    I don’t know if this is technically possible, but my recommendation for a response to this provocative missile test would be to use it as an opportunity to test US anti-missile technology and try to shoot down these three missiles.

    mikeca

    August 11, 2017 at EST am

    • The media shouldn’t be riling up Trump, especially if they believe he’s such a hot head.

      Magnavox

      August 11, 2017 at EST pm

      • I agree that the msm shouldn’t be using this to score political points. Putting politics above national security in a volatile situation is disloyal.

        destructure

        August 11, 2017 at EST pm

      • For the record I think that they’re right that he’s a hothead.

        Magnavox

        August 11, 2017 at EST pm

      • “he’s a hothead.”

        I’m not happy about that either. But trying to undermine the president during a serious international crisis is unacceptable. The national interest should come before politics. Unfortunately, liberals are born traitors.

        destructure

        August 12, 2017 at EST am

  10. i have been increasingly unconvinced or at least agnostic to the existence of any “HBD” gap besides AFRICANS vs everybody else, and particularly african americans. that and oddball groups like australian aboriginals. the best documented gap there is for a hereditarian hypothesis is african americans vs. white americans, and that is mainly because of the scarr and weinberg study. the best evidence there has been.

    the mistake is hbders then just extrapolate the plausibility of a hereditarian hypothesis that exists for african/african american IQ to literally every other group. oh persians allegedly score like 85-90 or whatever on IQ tests, must be genetic. the evidence simply isn’t there to make that call even if its possible (and it is possible). hbders just look like goons going around talking about how theyve got “the truth” about world genotypic differences for every human population and basing it on just alleged baseline scores from richard lynns book.

    james n.s.w

    August 11, 2017 at EST pm

    • I agree if there’s any gap it’s between africans and everybody else. I always say HBD does a great job of explaining the present but a terrible job of explaining history, with the constant rise and fall of different groups forming different hierarchies at different times.

      Magnavox

      August 11, 2017 at EST pm

    • It seems to me like some racists like hearing about how blacks are less intelligent than whites, but don’t like hearing about how non-Ashkenazi whites are less intelligent than Ashkenazi and Koreans.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      August 11, 2017 at EST pm

      • Ashkenazis don’t even score well in Israel, let alone everywhere. And if you’re an ashkenazi jew, that puts you in the same place as that white gentile you’re criticizing for being “racist”

        Magnavox

        August 11, 2017 at EST pm

      • Israeli Jews were smart enough to build their own nuclear weapons way back in the 1960s.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        August 11, 2017 at EST pm

      • IQ tests among the Eastern Asiatics show that the Chinese in HK are the smartest, yet HK is a sh!thole if you compare it to any place in South Korea or Japan.

        White gentiles in America are not the creme of the crop from the Old World, although they were smart enough to make the USA a nation.

        Then you have the Anglo World and their residents, of which I regard as inferior.

        JS

        August 11, 2017 at EST pm

      • Israeli Jews were smart enough to build their own nuclear weapons way back in the 1960s.

        With help from South Africa. And I’ve always wondered if they didn’t get some help from sources in the US and Russia as well.

        destructure

        August 11, 2017 at EST pm

      • You got that wrong. Israel helped the South Africans, who only built six very primitive bombs, and not the advanced bombs that Israel has.

        Also, if you bother to read your history, you would know that Israel had an alliance with France that worked two ways. Israeli nuclear scientists helped the French and vice versa.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        August 11, 2017 at EST pm

      • the mistake is hbders then just extrapolate the plausibility of a hereditarian hypothesis that exists for african/african american IQ to literally every other group.

        There is a spectrum of personality, behavioral, and other traits across all ethnic groups. The reason IQ is used as a crutch excessively is that IQ is the easiest psychological metric to test.

        hbders just look like goons going around talking about how theyve got “the truth” about world genotypic differences for every human population and basing it on just alleged baseline scores from richard lynns book.

        Lynn’s work has methodological flaws. And not merely with countries where IQ data may be sparse and/or hard to compare with data from advanced nations but with Western nations where he should have solid statistics to draw from.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        August 11, 2017 at EST pm

      • And to win tons of Nobel prizes in science and economics. Ashkenazi in Israel are extremely smart and no different then Ashkenazim anywhere else, obviously.

        Yakov

        August 11, 2017 at EST pm

      • Lion is correct. I lived in the mid-South where I was bused to school with blacks and later moved to Hono. where I was a minority among Asians. The average ranking was very clear to me: 1) Asians; 2) Whites; 3) far behind both are Blacks.

        Curle

        August 11, 2017 at EST pm

      • “You got that wrong. Israel helped the South Africans”

        When I said South Africa helped, I meant they worked on it together. Ergo, South Africa helped Israel. So for you to claim I “got that wrong” as to who helped whom is just odd. Especially, since both countries deny having worked together on it. We know they did. But there’s no way to know the details beyond that. Because there hasn’t been any official information released.

        destructure

        August 11, 2017 at EST pm

      • i mainly had groups like indians, thais, persians etc in mind. more than willing to accept north east azns & ashjewz are smarter than whites, for genetic reasons.

        james n.s.w

        August 12, 2017 at EST am

      • You mean Ashkenazi whites are smarter than non-Ashkenazi whites.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        August 12, 2017 at EST am

      • Israeli Jews were smart enough to build their own nuclear weapons way back in the 1960s.

        So? The French did in the 1950’s. (And are confirmed to have provided, at the minimum, significant help to the Israelis).

        There’s lots of evidence for Ashkenazis having higher IQs on average than gentile whites, but the Israeli nuclear weapons program isn’t—it’s in no way inconsistent with the null hypothesis of the same average IQ.

        @destructure

        With help from South Africa.

        It would’ve been the Israelis helping the South Africans, if such collaboration in fact occurred.

        snorlaxwp

        August 12, 2017 at EST am

      • “It would’ve been the Israelis helping the South Africans, if such collaboration in fact occurred.”

        I think most experts would agree that some type of collaboration occurred. But Israel and South Africa had both been nuclear powers since the 60s. Israel bought its nuclear reactor from France and South Africa bought its from the US. South Africa even built another nuclear reactor on their own which went online in the early 70s. They both had all the experience and expertise they needed to build a bomb. South Africa especially since they kept their bombs simple.

        But knowing how to make an atomic bomb go “boom” is the easy part. Everyone knows how to do that.The hard part is getting the material that goes “boom”. That requires U-235. But natural uranium is over 99% U238 and less than 1% U235. In order to get enough U235 one has to separate them. That’s difficult because they’re almost identical except for a very slight difference in weight. Even knowing how to do that isn’t hard. Actually doing it is what’s hard. And South African companies knew how to build the high precision gas centrifuges required to do it. In fact South African companies are the ones who sold them to Libya and Pakistan. So we know south africa had the hard parts covered.

        Since the centrifuges are the hard part and South Africa already had the tech, I’m not sure why you and Leon are so adamant that South Africa was the sole beneficiary of any collaboration. I suspect they both got something out of it. Israel needed the uranium and/or centrifuges from a clandestine source in order to maintain ambiguity. And south africa needed cash because of economic sanctions.

        destructure

        August 12, 2017 at EST am

      • Ashkenazis don’t even score well in Israel, let alone everywhere.

        In Israel “Ashkenazi” means European background Jews (only half of Israeli Jews are from Europe), and often includes Eastern Europeans with partial or majority Slavic ancestry.

        Those tall, blonde beachbabes at Israeli beaches are clearly primarily Slavic, not ethnically Ashkenazi aside from a European grandparent or two.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        August 12, 2017 at EST pm

    • i disagree that there’s a big gap between africans and everyone else. It’s not like africans are in the 70s and everyone else is 100 plus. There is a spectrum with a number of black populations in the mid 80s. There are a number of non black populations in the low 80s as well ie central americans, middle east, north africa, south asia, etc. I suspect that disease, malnutrition, healthcare, etc are knocking about 10 points off the african average. So the true black average under ideal circumstances would probably be in the low 80s. Which isn’t far off a lot of other populations.

      destructure

      August 11, 2017 at EST pm

      • i think so too, too bad we’ll never really know.

        james n.s.w

        August 12, 2017 at EST am

    • So evolution made a big IQ gap between Africans and non Africans but somehow all other groups just magically evolved the exact same IQ? There is plenty of evidence that social classes within the same population dont have identical genotypic IQ,let alone groups that have been geographically isolated from each other for thousands of years. Have you ever tried having a rational discussion online with your average Pakistani about whether or not Islam is true? Go do that and then tell me all Caucasians and Asians have the same intelligence.

      DataExplorer

      August 11, 2017 at EST pm

      • It isn’t magic. The other populations have been separated by much shorter time periods. Recent discoveries are suggesting the first out of Africa event may have been 300,000 years ago nearly tripling prior accepted chronology.

        Curle

        August 12, 2017 at EST am

  11. Since they are such a technologically advanced society it is absolutely absurd that the US is part of the tip of the spear. We should have militarily disengaged from South Korea years ago when it wouldn’t have looked like a cowardly action. As long as we had a pact to sell the South Koreans weapons, they could defend themselves against aggression from North Korea, China, and Russia. The US is actually the weakness in the South Korean defense strategy. Americans will not want to fight to defend the South Koreans, especially if it became a massive conflict. America is also too divided internally to fight effectively and I don’t think our generals understand this.

    Stilicho

    August 11, 2017 at EST pm

    • Part of me thinks Trump should still just walk away entirely and tell South Korea, China, and Japan to deal with it themselves. One thing to remember is that America got its ass kicked in Korea (with China’s help) back in the fifties and has failed at virtually every major military action since then. So even if the US somehow mobilized as much as it is capable of doing it still probably would end in failure. But to contradict what you said, I remember reading some poll saying that South Koreans wouldn’t resist if the North attacked, this is the closest thing I could find, saying that almost half of 17 to 23 year olds would side with North Korea if the US attacked it.

      https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/something-strange-in-south-korea/article20414851/?ref=http://www.theglobeandmail.com&

      Magnavox

      August 11, 2017 at EST pm

      • “has failed at virtually every major military action since”

        We took over Iraq, we took over Afghanistan, we only “failed” because we were unable to turn those countries into Democracies. But we COULD turn North Korea into a Democracy, Koreans are genetically suited to peaceful Democracy.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        August 11, 2017 at EST pm

      • I don’t think Americans would want a democracy representing the products of the North Korean educational system.

        A more sensible project would be a Pinochet style dictatorship for 30 years, matched with reform of public education to make it a copy of South Korea’s, then allow a gradual transition to representative government after enough eggs have been hatched.

        Richard

        August 11, 2017 at EST pm

      • We should have militarily disengaged from South Korea years ago when it wouldn’t have looked like a cowardly action.

        Like almost all of our military commitments across the world we inherited defending South Korea from our Cold War policy that checked Communism from spreading across Asia, especially Japan.

        After the Cold War there was a clear economic strategic interest in keeping North Korea from being a disruptive force in Northeast Asia where so much world trade occurs.

        Maintaining a presence in South Korea was a legitimate post-Cold War goal.

        If war breaks out it will be the North’s fault for stupidly not making peace with the US and creating for themselves a modern economy after the USSR was dissolved, it will not be America’s fault for defending obvious strategic interests in Asia.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        August 11, 2017 at EST pm

      • North Korea is an armpit of China. Without it, China would just be a loner in the Asia Pacific geopolitical sphere.

        No one else in that part of the world likes the Chinese and every other Asian nation is an ally of the United States.

        JS

        August 11, 2017 at EST pm

      • However, human tribalism overrides much of human rationalism, and many “Asian allies” of the United States would just turn their backs against us and side with other Asians whom they hate, if the coca prola presence ever gets too close for comfort.

        JS

        August 11, 2017 at EST pm

      • coca prola = nams and proles in the US military

        JS

        August 11, 2017 at EST pm

      • We took over Iraq, we took over Afghanistan, we only “failed” because we were unable to turn those countries into Democracies. But we COULD turn North Korea into a Democracy, Koreans are genetically suited to peaceful Democracy.

        We failed at fighting the insurgency. Anyone who knows anything about asymmetrical warfare knows that it’s the guerrillas who have all the time in the world and will just weaken the occupying power drop of blood by drop of blood until they get so sick of it and leave. We won in Vietnam by your logic too.

        Magnavox

        August 11, 2017 at EST pm

      • One thing to remember is that America got its ass kicked in Korea (with China’s help) back in the fifties and has failed at virtually every major military action since then.

        You are confusing war, the military actions and the political redevelopment that follows.

        Obviously the US crushed China and North Korea in the Korean war. Their deaths were enormous and maybe you haven’t noticed but the US and ROK forces preserved South Korea to this day which was their ONLY responsibility.

        How did you miss that?

        The issue isn’t war and the US military, it’s what follows which is political and NOT the responsibility of the US military.

        Obviously in Vietnam after the US won every major engagement and killed 3 million Vietnamese it was probably best to give genocide a rest and not continue slaughtering Vietnamese soldiers and civilians with no US political interest there.

        Iraq war in 1991 was a huge win at little cost and achieved the military goal. The following result was not US military responsibility.

        Iraq war in 2003 was a one sided joke and again the issue isn’t the military it’s the political reorganization.

        Want the military to “win”? OK, get out of the way and let the killing continue. But that’s not the point of these adventures.

        Rifleman

        August 12, 2017 at EST am

      • “A more sensible project would be a Pinochet style dictatorship for 30 years, matched with reform of public education to make it a copy of South Korea’s, then allow a gradual transition to representative government after enough eggs have been hatched.”

        That’s pretty much the transition that South Korea when through; strong man rule and gradual evolution to democracy.

        Mike Street Station

        August 12, 2017 at EST am

      • Rifleman: you’re confusing conventional war, with rules defined by super powers like the US to give themselves an advantage and where America has a great track record when picking on little guys, and unconventional warfare where the US gets it’s ass kicked essentially every time. To somehow blame the political class for the US military’s complete inability to fight against guerilla forces and, even more inexcusable, ongoing denial of that fact makes no sense. Why not blame the state department for not destroying saddams army too?

        But that’s not necessarily even relevant to Korea because in the Korean war the US lost in conventional fighting (you seem pretty ignorant of the history there, where China fought back the UN forces (US essentially) back almost from the Chinese border) . And in the present day China and north Korea both have giant armies while all the US has is diversity (the worst kind, black) and trillions of dollars of boondoggle contracts.

        Magnavox

        August 12, 2017 at EST pm

      • The military in Iraq was tasked with guaranteeing a monopoly on violence for the transitional government and any puppet regime that followed. Yes, a political solution would have reduced violence, but it was the military’s responsibility to reduce violence to allow for political solutions to take shape much much more than vice versa. Noone is going to support a government that can’t guarantee safety. That’s basic basic statecraft and the US military couldn’t even protect people waiting to let into the green zone (the green zone being the area that everyone had to flee to because the rest of Baghdad was so unsafe).

        Magnavox

        August 13, 2017 at EST am

  12. Iran is no where the leader of the Muslim world, since the most popular Muslim tv series are made in Turkey, While South Korea is or used to produce the most exported Asian tv series, as far as I know.

    Joe Allan

    August 11, 2017 at EST pm

    • Yes, and that’s because Coastal Turkish women are far more attractive.

      JS

      August 11, 2017 at EST pm

      • I guess is true, but they have same talent aside from beauty, some Turkish soaps are annoying but others are really good, like Magnificent Century, my favorite of all.

        Joe Allan

        August 12, 2017 at EST pm

    • But they don’t even speak Arabic. I think Egypt is the center of the film industry and that Egyptian Arabic is the lingua franca

      Magnavox

      August 12, 2017 at EST pm

      • I doubt any Egyptian actor is in the same league as Turkish such as Beren Saat or Halit Ergenc, I know no Egyptian like that.

        Joe Allan

        August 12, 2017 at EST pm

      • I don’t know anything about it, I just remember hearing that somewhere.

        Magnavox

        August 13, 2017 at EST am

  13. lion commits the frequent sin of HBDers. he privileges the present. unless they’ve experienced dysgenics the persians’ past tells a different story than the present regarding their innate ability.

    go back 2,500 years and iranians are the better of koreans.

    btw, farsi is spoken in the former central asian soviet republics. it’s also spoken in afghanistan and pakistan. but it goes by names other than “farsi”. farsi is an indo-european language, like hindi and german.

    100% mexican from the state of oaxaca

    August 11, 2017 at EST pm

    • A lot can change to a people’s intelligence over 2500 years. Plus during that period you had Parthians, Arabs, Turks, and Mongols all migrating into Persia. The Ancient Greeks were also very smart in antiquity and look at them now. According to Francis Galton they lost their intelligence because the aristocratic classes became degenerate and stopped having many children. A lot of elite women became courtesans and had low fertility.

      DataExplorer

      August 11, 2017 at EST pm

    • “unless they’ve experienced dysgenics the persians’ past tells a different story”

      Ghingis Khan’s mongols exterminated 90% of the population of Persia in the 12th century and the upper class fled. That could be very dysgenic. I’d also imagine that other populations moved in to fill the vacuum after such a catastrophic population loss. So today’s Persians wouldn’t be exactly the same as those of 2000 years ago.

      destructure

      August 12, 2017 at EST am

    • Yes, given the bulk of the Islamic geniuses during the Middle Ages were Persians.

      JS

      August 12, 2017 at EST am

    • it’s funny how both charlie rose and obama have made slips and shown themselves to be HBD aware.

      in rose’s case his slip was in a comment on the future of iraq. he said something like, “the iraqis are a talented people. iraq is the cradle of civilization.” i forget what he said exactly, but the context showed that he wasn’t just complimenting non-europeans as liberals are wont to do. he was thinking, “some countries are hopeless, because their people are innately stupid. iraq isn’t one of those countries.”

      i don’t know about iran, but as TUJ has commented the greeks and italians are indistinguishable from their ancient ancestors at genetic level. the same is true of the lebanese and phoenicians.

      100% mexican from the state of oaxaca

      August 12, 2017 at EST pm

      • His statement is completely consistent with Jared Diamond style environmental determinism.

        Magnavox

        August 13, 2017 at EST am

      • And I wouldn’t treat the commentors here as authorities on anything., let alone the recent genetic changes of any groups.

        Magnavox

        August 13, 2017 at EST am

  14. Lion,

    Are you responsible for the sharp rise in the Roomba/ iRobot stock price?

    http://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-wild-mystery-ride-of-roomba-maker-irobot-2017-08-11

    SQ

    August 11, 2017 at EST pm

  15. South Koreans are going extinct, they have the lowest fertility rate in the world (1.2). North Koreans have about replacement fertility (2.0)

    DataExplorer

    August 11, 2017 at EST pm

  16. Gayest music video since David Bowie tap danced with Mick fuckin’ Jagger. (H/T Family Guy and NL’s Christmas Vacation)

    Stealth

    August 11, 2017 at EST pm

  17. North and South Koreans are far from genetically identical. There have long been historic north-south differences on the peninsula.

    But yes, North Koreans are also intelligent and communism is holding them back. But don’t think they’re completely interchangeable with South Koreans.

    JayMan

    August 11, 2017 at EST pm

    • We might wish to add here that northern Korea was more prosperous and developed than southern Korea at the end of World War Two.

      John D'oh

      August 12, 2017 at EST am

      • The differences go far deeper than that.

        JayMan

        August 12, 2017 at EST am

      • Lol, ok.

        Magnavox

        August 12, 2017 at EST pm

  18. If the Asians are so smart why are the Chinese still in hock to 80’s era Russian technology for their military and space programs? Those are two fields where Western cooperation is not available to the Chinese and as such a good proxy for what the Asians would be able to achieve organically (Japs and Koreans are joined at the hip to the Western engineering complex so are irrelevant for measuring Asian competence in this field).

    It’s 2017 and the Chinese are STILL unable to figure out jet engine metallurgy and are forced to rely on imported Russian engines. This is technology that the Russians and Ukrainians developed back in the 70’s completely de novo, while the Chinese have had the ensuing 40 years to catch up and haven’t even managed to reverse engineer the engines the Russians have been supplying them. Scratch the paint off of the Chinese space program and it’s 100% Russian technology, ditto for most of their conventional military. Why are 1.3 billion Chinese unable to accomplish by 2017 what a few hundred million Russians accomplished by 1970? And this despite having had trillions of foreign investment and know-how dumped into the Chinese manufacturing industry by Western firms, much of it dual use.

    My guess is they don’t have the “knack” for it. I’m a good test taker but far from a natural tinkerer. Some people can just pop open the hood of a car, putz around for a bit, and figure it out while others have less aptitude for it. Maybe the Chinese are good at solving equations, but when it comes time to go the machine shop and build a jet engine that doesn’t melt down after a few hundred hours of operation, they just can’t get it right, paper IQ tests be damned.

    sfd@asf.com

    August 12, 2017 at EST am

    • Koreans and Japanese are ahead of the Chinese. We don’t know if it’s a genetic advantage, or if China was held back by bad government and communism.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      August 12, 2017 at EST am

    • It’s has to do with HBD. East Asians, especially the Chinese have lower testosterone levels.

      The Chinese own a piece of Detroit for a bargain. Yet, I hear of no burgeoning Chinese community or development. Yet, these same people would eagerly settle in Detroit if White gentrifiers turned it into a SWPL Brooklyn.

      JS

      August 12, 2017 at EST am

  19. My 15 year old daughter turned me onto kpop. It is surprisingly good. BTS is almost… I daresay… beatleslike, in a dystopian korean sort of way. The odd thing is the male kpop singers look like women but girls are crazy for them. It’s all very strange but highly addictive. I would recommend Boy in Luv, War of Hormone, and No More Dream.

    toomanyspiders

    August 12, 2017 at EST pm

    • What girls like is highly cultural.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      August 12, 2017 at EST pm

    • Samoans probably think your average 5’9″ 180 lb white guy looks like a woman.

      For me, Japanese and Korean women have always seemed dainty and feminine. Only rarely do blacks seem feminine to me and never Samoans. Mestizos often seem very feminine to me but rarely do Amerinds. I was surprised how non-feminine Swedish women seemed on average when I visited that country and how hyper feminine French women seemed.

      Curle

      August 12, 2017 at EST pm

  20. There is a lot of historical ethnic conflict between the NK and Chinese along the Yalu River. One of the reasons the Chinese do not want a Korean war is the massive refugee problem that would occur. The Chinese and NK population do not like each, but economic trade keeps the peace.

    NK has a lot of natural uranium which makes their nuclear weapons program easier to develop than countries like Israel…which must import most of their yellow cake from countries like South Africa. Like NK, Iran has natural deposits of uranium ore.

    cesqy

    August 12, 2017 at EST pm

  21. O/T Apologies. But WOW!!

    Truth from The Nation? I’m looking out my window for flying pigs.
    https://www.thenation.com/article/a-new-report-raises-big-questions-about-last-years-dnc-hack/

    Can there still be integrity in journalism on the left? I’m stunned. Perhaps there’s more hope for America than I thought.

    gda

    August 12, 2017 at EST pm

  22. Jews and Northeast Asians both have high IQs but have different areas of strength. Jews tend to have extremely high verbal IQs but average spatial IQs. Asians are the polar opposite with very high spatial IQs but not verbal.

    I fit the Jewish IQ profile to the extreme. I must be nearly retarded spatially. My mom would joke that my dad couldn’t figure out how to screw in a lightbulb and I inherited that. For example, I can’t do anything when it comes to fixing cars…it all boggles my mind. I have had redneck whites call me idiot before….they would be shocked if they saw my overall IQ score.

    Jay Fink

    August 12, 2017 at EST pm

    • Another data point to add, as a northeast asian, I’m the exact opposite. My verbal skills are extremely deficient. I would much prefer the verbal skills than having high spatial, no question.

      Spatial reasoning does have its uses, though. If you look at some of the iconic American pop music videos in the past decade (Backstreet Boy’s Everybody, Destiny’s Child’s Say My Name, Eminem’s Without Me, Taylor Swift’s Blank Space), and any KPOP music videos have eerily similar style that had developed somewhat in parallel. The ethnicity of the director of all those iconic videos? Joseph Kahn, Korean-American. Asian horror directors seem to do pretty well for themselves as well. But if you want an actual good feature length film, yeah go elsewhere.

      jh73

      August 12, 2017 at EST pm

      • Korea has a very vibrant film industry. I will watch basically anything Park Chan-wook or Bong Joon-ho directs.

        Magnavox

        August 13, 2017 at EST am

  23. South Korea is impressive, but don’t underestimate the Persians. Iranian-Americans are among the most successful immigrant groups; academia threw a fit over Trump’s travel ban because so many academics personally knew at least one Iranian who was legitimately good (note that this is nowhere close to true for any of the other affected countries). Yes, the talent distribution isn’t as great in the home country, but it’s still clearly better than what Pakistan has, and Pakistan got the bomb. I would not bet against Iran.

    DB

    August 13, 2017 at EST pm


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