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The Nation magazine article says DNC was not hacked by Russians

Article in liberal-leaning The Nation magazine

There was no hack of the Democratic National Committee’s system on July 5 last year—not by the Russians, not by anyone else. Hard science now demonstrates it was a leak—a download executed locally with a memory key or a similarly portable data-storage device. In short, it was an inside job by someone with access to the DNC’s system.

Wow! How come this was published three days ago, and I haven’t heard about it until today when I saw it mentioned in a comment?

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

August 12, 2017 at 2:14 pm

Posted in News, Politics

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  1. “Wow! How come this was published three days ago, and I haven’t heard about it until today when I saw it mentioned in a comment?”

    It is against ‘our’ values to promulgate narrative collapsing information.

    Curle

    August 12, 2017 at 2:25 pm

  2. I think it was the nation that was right about the Iraq wmd intelligence being nonsense, but it wasnt just one article I assume.

    Magnavox

    August 12, 2017 at 2:34 pm

  3. It’s been discussed on message boards for the past few days. The irony is that The Nation has been pro Russia the past hundred years, so they must have mixed feelings. On the one hand, Russia!, but on the other hand, Trump, but then on still a third hand, Hillary stole the nomination from Bernie…what to do?

    I think The Nation has calculated that the Russia, Russia, Russia story is going nowhere, and isn’t going to result in any sort of 25th Amendment coup or impeachment to remove Trump, so they want to take it off the board to concentrate on trying to get progressives elected.

    Mike Street Station

    August 12, 2017 at 2:55 pm

  4. “How come this was published three days ago, and I haven’t heard about it until today”

    Because Narrative.

    peterike

    August 12, 2017 at 2:55 pm

  5. The russia conspiracy theory was never anything but political chess. No one ever believed trump colluded especially those claiming he did. It was all designed to cripple a democratically elected president.

    fred

    August 12, 2017 at 3:15 pm

    • i think destructure is drunk.

      in vino veritas!

      100% mexican from the state of oaxaca

      August 12, 2017 at 7:10 pm

  6. The Nation isn’t (just) liberal, it’s leftist.

    IHTG

    August 12, 2017 at 3:51 pm

  7. O/T will you write up a post about the bloodbath that is now taking place in Charlottesville, VA as we write?

    Meriprolestan is now in a state of emergency.

    JS

    August 12, 2017 at 3:51 pm

    • With the ISIS jihadi-tier car attack into a crowd of antifa counter-protestors, this is the day the alt right died. The MM is going to blow this story up bigger than Korea.

      Sanjuro

      August 12, 2017 at 4:15 pm

    • white supremacists with class are still in the closet. the charlottesville stuff is like a gay pride parade in 1968. only the yugist queens and dykes participate.

      100% mexican from the state of oaxaca

      August 12, 2017 at 7:09 pm

      • Did you used to write under a different name?

        Magnavox

        August 12, 2017 at 10:38 pm

    • O/T will you write up a post about the bloodbath that is now taking place in Charlottesville, VA as we write?

      One person killed by a car driver = bloodbath?

      Meriprolestan is now in a state of emergency.

      A nation of 330 million is now in a state of emergency over an insignificant temper tantrum in a small southern town most Americans have never heard of, been to or care about?

      Two things are consistent with you JS

      1 – everything is about America = prole. Pretty much every post.

      2 – you are timid and prissy and overreact and go into a panic about things.

      Rifleman

      August 12, 2017 at 8:58 pm

      • Insignificant — this is only the beginning.

        And you just underestimated the proles who live in one horse towns. They PUT Trump into office, not New Yorkers.

        Yes, prole as always, and America has gotten more prole, simply because of now.

        I love your irony as always.

        JS

        August 12, 2017 at 10:29 pm

  8. Elsewhere I’ve seen arguments that the timestamps on the files are so close together that they could not have been downloaded that fast. Maybe so, but why isn’t it possible that the Russians downloaded the files, and then copied them from one drive to another to get the fast timestamps?

    Schlafly

    August 12, 2017 at 3:55 pm

    • Or just set the timestamps to whatever you want.

      And is it really true that no internet gets 23 megabytes per second? That’s only 184 megabits.

      Magnavox

      August 12, 2017 at 4:51 pm

    • Maybe so, but why isn’t it possible that the Russians downloaded the files, and then copied them from one drive to another to get the fast timestamps?

      It is possible because just about anyone from a single hacker to a national intelligence service could have stolen the files given how lax security was for Hillary’s campaign.

      The problem has been that the possibility someone other than Russia hacked the files is automatically dismissed without reason.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      August 12, 2017 at 5:22 pm

    • It’s also possible that interdimensional aliens downloaded the files, and then copied them from one drive to another. Why speculate about the involvement of actors for which there is no evidence.

      Panther of the Blogocube

      August 12, 2017 at 6:03 pm

      • Actually, someone copying files to a flash drive is less speculative than super-sophisticated hacking.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        August 12, 2017 at 9:23 pm

    • The 22 MB/s doesn’t really make sense. If it was a country with a fat pipe paid for by .gov surely they can get OC128 levels of bandwidth. Surely the Dem servers were on at least an OC3 connection (approximately 20 MB/sec). This forensic analysis doesn’t really make sense especially since transatlantic fiber cables carry gigabits of data per second if we haven’t hit terabits yet…

      Paul Ryan's Sickly Old Lap Dog

      August 12, 2017 at 9:09 pm

      • This kind of article was snortworthy when Lefty sites produced it around 9/11 and the Iraq War. A bunch of vaguely credentialed sources announcing they have “blown the whole thing open” in some remotely published manifesto. What position at IBM is “the IT program manager in the United States”?

        Its becoming increasingly uncommon to get OC hand-off. Most US ISP want them gone in 2-3 years in favor of Ethernet. But regardless of pipe size there are additional complications.
        – Any government hackers are going to not be in a big government official DC. And they will be behind layers of proxies and redirects. This will add throttling and latency.
        – If you are transatlantic then the RTT is going to limit your throughput. Just the wait on the ack for a window of packets is going to slow you down, let alone congestion on transatlantic links.

        This argues for the fact that maybe they do have some sort of insight with the data rate observation. It probably does indicate for some sort of close proximity and large pipe. But the article doesnt consider the data being dumped onto Azure, AWS or even some other compromised DC server. From there it is moved off a couple more times at data rate we cant observe.

        “Time stamps in the metadata provide further evidence of what happened on July 5. The stamps recording the download indicate that it occurred in the Eastern Daylight Time Zone at approximately 6:45 pm. This confirms that the person entering the DNC system was working somewhere on the East Coast of the United States. In theory the operation could have been conducted from Bangor or Miami or anywhere in between—but not Russia, Romania, or anywhere else outside the EDT zone.”

        Does anyone follow the logic here?

        Why could it be Banglor with terrible access but not Little Rock in Central Time Zone? Or Miami but not panhandle? Just more shoddy lefty jumping to conclusions.

        The article is right that there was a jumping on the bandwagon because it was convenient for everyone to blame the Russians.
        The Ghey Mafia hates Putin for not crumbling to them, so Obama’s foreign policy begat the situation in The Ukraine, which begat the situation in Crimea which begat more pushback from either side. You’d think with the common desire to stomp out ISIS we’d all let bygones be bygones now, but not the Gheys.

        Lion of the Turambar

        August 13, 2017 at 9:57 am

    • The analysis (here includes information on copying locally, removing some stuff, zipping results etc.

      What they don’t actually question is the ability for a sophisticated “hacker” to force the timestamps in a way that would fool the analysis and make it appear to be an inside job.

      Anonymous Funk

      August 12, 2017 at 9:24 pm

      • But of course they could have also faked the indicators that the intelligence agencies are using as evidence to support their claims.

        Magnavox

        August 12, 2017 at 11:01 pm

  9. I was hoping for some new developments, but this article is just based on the same proof from “theforensicator” that you posted a month ago, and I think is questionable.

    https://lionoftheblogosphere.wordpress.com/2017/07/10/proof-that-dnc-emails-were-an-inside-job-not-a-remote-hack/

    Alex

    August 12, 2017 at 4:17 pm

    • I also want to add I think its unlikely the Russians hacked the DNC. But this proof is amateurish.

      Alex

      August 12, 2017 at 4:21 pm

  10. It’s very simple. Stephen Cohen is very pro-Russian and he writes for The Nation. He’s also married to Katrina vanden Heuvel who is the editor and publisher of that publication.

    Lewis Medlock

    August 12, 2017 at 4:34 pm

  11. I saw this several days ago.

    It has a lot of technogibrish that does not make much sense. The main argument seems to be that files were copied into zip file too quickly to have been done over the internet. Duh. Why couldn’t the files have been hacked over the internet onto a local drive and then copied to the zip file.

    mikeca

    August 12, 2017 at 4:54 pm

    • “technogibrish that does not make much sense”

      Because you don’t understand it, or you think it is incorrect?

      ” Why couldn’t the files have been hacked over the internet onto a local drive”

      I’m guessing the answers to me first questions are “yes” and “no”. The file creation times would have differed by the network travel time. This differs from the file modification times which are updated on copying (although some tools like “robocopy” can preserve the various timestamps.)

      Anonymous Funk

      August 12, 2017 at 9:31 pm

      • I haven’t verified every claim in the forensic analysis, but having several decade of os-level s/w development under my belt, it passes the smell test

        Anonymous Funk

        August 12, 2017 at 9:35 pm

      • I don’t understand your last paragraph. Why couldn’t the 22 MB/s be the read speed off the disk (the average over the whole operation of creating the archive) after the files had already been down loaded?

        Magnavox

        August 12, 2017 at 11:06 pm

      • Or even created on the server and then downloaded which would explain the EST time zone.

        Magnavox

        August 12, 2017 at 11:14 pm

      • This analysis assumes that the files were copied directly from the DNC servers to the zip file, either over the internet or to a USB thumb drive.

        It is believed that all the DNC documents released by Wikileaks were genuine. The releases of DNC documents that were not done through Wikileaks are believed to be mostly genuine with a few forged documents. There are emails that appear to come from government email accounts, but the relevant government email systems have no records of sending those emails. They are believed to be forgeries.

        The zip file they are analyzing comes from one of those other releases. It is highly likely the files were staged on a computer and a few forged documents were carefully added to the directories. They probably were careful to set all the creation and modification times to disguise the forgeries. They then copied the whole tree to the zip file.

        mikeca

        August 13, 2017 at 12:47 am

  12. The cognitive dissonance that’s been wearing away at the SJW weenies for the past many months, will at some point finally blast a hole right through their precious souls.

    Roli

    August 12, 2017 at 5:11 pm

  13. Are you saying that you didn’t know about the tech analysis (which has been out for a month!) or the Nation’s writeup of it?

    Anonymous Funk

    August 12, 2017 at 6:35 pm

    • He posted about the analysis. Someone else linked to that post here.

      Magnavox

      August 12, 2017 at 11:07 pm

  14. The Nation is owned by Katrina Vanden Heuvel who is married to Stephen F Cohen who is very pro-Putin.

    Dave

    August 12, 2017 at 7:46 pm

  15. Liberal-leaning? Jeez, where have you been since 1982?

    Marty

    August 12, 2017 at 8:24 pm

  16. The Nation used to carry Alexander Cockburn’s pro-gun, anti-global warming rants. It’s not as doctrinaire as most publications on the right.

    Vince

    August 13, 2017 at 4:36 am

  17. Since the WaPo said that the Steve Scalise shooting was due to “right-wing talk radio,” is it fair to conclude that this incident resulted from all the hate-filled stuff emitted by the leftists? Or, maybe not….

    Black Death

    August 13, 2017 at 4:36 pm


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