Lion of the Blogosphere

200+ comments? Really?

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I agree that it looks likes the establishment in Virginia, all the way up to the governor, had no interest in respecting the free speech rights of the protesters. The police did nothing to prevent the “antifa” counter-protesters from throwing dangerous objects at the protesters. And the mainstream media was there to only show the protesters in a bad light. Nothing triggers the left like racists and Nazis. The antifas are seen as good guys who were understandably violent when faced with racists. No need to show any antifa violence.

There was enough counter-violence committed by the white-nationalist protesters to present them as the bad guys. Yes, I do believe that the protesters didn’t go there with the intent to do any violence, but when you have a lot of people who are white trash, and then you have a bunch of antifa people throwing bricks, urine-filled balloons, other disgusting and dangerous stuff, it’s inevitable that not all of those white-trash types can keep their cool.

Had not the day ended with murder-by-car, it’s possible, but unlikely, that the far-right might have been able to get out the message that their right of free speech was suppressed.

The video of the killing makes the perpetrator, James Alex Fields Jr., look very guilty. It was suggested by at least one commenter that the collision was an accident because Mr. Fields was trying to get away from violent counter-protesters, but I don’t see any evidence of that in the videos. It looks to me like Mr. Fields’ car was being ignored as it drove towards the crowd of counter-protesters. I think it’s most likely that Mr. Fields, a white-trash type, was angry because of the violence done to him earlier by counter-protesters, and that caused him to drive his car recklessly into the crowd. (A photo in the NY Times from earlier int he day shows that Mr. Field’s shirt was stained yellow. I presume he was hit by one of those urine-filled balloons.)

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The conclusion remains the same. The events of this weekend provided material to feed the mainstream media narrative of racist, violent and murdering Nazis (helped along by moron protesters themselves, some of whom carried Nazi paraphernalia, and many who shouted anti-Semitic slogans), which is used to tar the entire anti-establishment right.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

August 13, 2017 at 5:42 pm

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  1. 200+ comments? Really?

    Don’t pretend you don’t love the controversy and hysteria, Lion.

    The Undiscovered Jew

    August 13, 2017 at 5:47 pm

  2. Check out the street grid of downtown Charlottesville. It’s crazy. That narrow one way street (probably from the pre-auto age) that this happened on is about the only path forward if you get caught in the maze. (And remember, this guy has probably never been in this town before Friday.)

    And it does look like there might be some people chasing his car in the vid that shows him going down the street. Plus there is the fact that his brake light is lit in part of that vid. And the fact, that though he is going faster than appropriate in that narrow alley/street, he isn’t going extremely (Muslim truck terrorist) fast.

    I think there is plenty of reason to suspect that maybe this guy got caught up in what he thought were leftist mobs from both sides, and he over-reacted to get away. Hopefully there are some street surveillance cams that might show if in fact he was being chased before the incident or not.

    trey

    August 13, 2017 at 6:19 pm

  3. I think the evidence supports a hypothesis that the kid was surrounded, AntiFa were banging on his car, and he panicked and floored it.

    https://everipedia.org/wiki/james-alex-fields-jr/#lg=1&slide=7
    From the video: (1) he was driving fast but controlled, not “ramming speed”, (2) from his angle one couldn’t see cars blocking the road, just a pedestrian throng that a driver in a panic might have imagined would/could part, and (3) Antifa-looking people were behind him running after his car.

    https://everipedia.org/wiki/james-alex-fields-jr/#lg=1&slide=10
    His break lights were on right before impact. It looks like the driver’s side window was smashed out before the accident, as someone said some other picture shows.

    Other videos showed Antifa were smashing on cars of people they thought were rightists.

    Reporter on the scene said (Taylor Lorenz of The Hill), “The driver was taken into police custody right after the incident. Police say the car was covered in dents prior and apparently hit by a bat. Anyway several police officers at the station here think the guy running people down wasn’t malicious. They said the driver was scared … Police say the car was covered with dents and apparently hit by a bat.”

    But, yes. Huge loss for the right wing. In modern street fighting, whoever gets caught on camera overreacting and escalating loses. As my favorite Canadian Premier once said, “If you kill your enemies, they win”.

    Lack of certainty that this was murder has not stopped the entire political, media, and #TheResistance from being certain today that this the meaning of this event is that everyone at that rally was a sociopathic threat to society and should be fired from their job, Twitter should ban anyone with a Pepe avitar, and Bannon Miller and Goerka should be fired.

    The Alt Right has said for years, the system is unfair and rigged against us. And then they are surprised when the system is unfair and rigged against them: when Democratic politicians order cops to forcefully clear them in small groups out of their legally allowed rally, when no one stops Antifa from beating on them, and when the media spins the whole thing to have them look like evil incarnate.

    Moldbug warned years ago that street fighting is a game the right can’t win, that street fighting historically has only worked for a team with sympathetic judiciary and media.

    Bottom line, I wonder if the AltRight’s Reichstag Fire moment will have come from a vehicular manslaughter that looked bad on camera.

    • Check out the top video on this page. I never noticed it before but it seems to show someone hitting the guy’s car with a baseball bat or something.

      This may be another total left-wing narrative collapse. http://www.departmentofmemes.com/article/protesters-attacked-charlottesville-drivers-car-baseball-bat/

      trey

      August 13, 2017 at 7:26 pm

      • Pretty girl killed, trumps blurry video.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        August 13, 2017 at 7:55 pm

      • Well, she ain’t pretty no more. She should have been at home in the kitchen making some guy a sandwich, Instead, she was 32, single, no kids running around with LGBT, BLM, antifa, etc looking to “punch nazis”. It looks like she’s the one who got punched.

        destructure

        August 13, 2017 at 9:09 pm

      • The comment sections of that article already make your point pointless. The MSM sways its constituencies with utmost persuasiveness and suggestibility, like the brain eels that infect the intended victims to be controlled by Khan in Star Trek. Liberals are so delusional and deranged, that logic and reason are not part of their cognition.

        JS

        August 13, 2017 at 10:18 pm

    • Twitter should ban anyone with a Pepe avitar, and Bannon Miller and Goerka should be fired.

      Bannon is going to be, and should be, sacked because he’s getting into disruptive fights with every powerplayer in the administration.

      However, I see no reason why Miller and Gorka cannot stay.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      August 13, 2017 at 7:47 pm

    • We will have little choice but to fight on the street. It’s true that many of these alt-right protestors were there expecting to fight, desiring to fight, though they didn’t start the fight. But Milo wasn’t looking for a fight. Charles Murray wasn’t. Antifa attacked anyway. Our choices will be to either stay as an internet movement, avoiding public conferences or appearances, or be ready to fight.

      LopT

      August 13, 2017 at 9:32 pm

    • From the Sulzberger-Slim Times story, notice the use of the passive ‘people were throwing water bottles’ etc. Rest assured if these ‘people’ were the nationalists they would have been called out. Its almost as if the Sulzberge-Slim Times didn’t want to report on Antifa violence.

      “Suddenly, people were throwing water bottles, some filled with urine. Some used pepper spray; from his perch on the sixth floor, Mr. Moran saw smoke bombs being thrown. People started clubbing one another.”

      Curle

      August 14, 2017 at 1:23 am

    • Ha ha ha…

      “If your enemy is all dead, then they win.”
      “You become what you hate.”

      Funny how this Bolshevik logic never deterred them from violence.

      I’m sure that was an argument made to Robert McNamara: if we firebomb and later nuke Japan, then they win.

      map

      August 14, 2017 at 2:53 pm

      • I meant Curtis LeMay.

        map

        August 14, 2017 at 11:41 pm

  4. The only good news is that even lefties are angry that the police were told to stand down.

    Stealth

    August 13, 2017 at 6:36 pm

    • No Lefties that matter are angry. The whole thing was a stitch up to create an excuse to deprive the nationalists their right to rally.

      Curle

      August 14, 2017 at 1:25 am

  5. Charlottesville is one of those liberal towns in the South, just like Chapel Hill in NC.

    You have a mayor who is Jewish with Ivy League credentials. He wasn’t on the side of the protestors for sure.

    JS

    August 13, 2017 at 6:38 pm

    • The Mayor is screwed. he ordered their permit canceled a couple days before the incident. ACLU and Alt Right sued, and the emails between council members were so incriminating the judge ruled his actions illegal and restored the permit. Then it is pretty obvious that the Mayor instructed the police to act in a way that would allow him to order a state of emergency and cancel the event before it began (in other words, he used as a work around of the Judge’s order). All the violence is going to be placed at his doorstep, and rightly so. As bad as Antifa are, none of this would have happened if the police had just let the Alt Right in to the park as the judge had ordered and the two sides would have been kept apart. Stupid Mayor compounded his problem by going on “The Shows” and bad mouthing Trump. You don’t do that to Trump. President is going to order Sessions to investigate the entire incident and Mayor’s actions are now going to be placed under a microscope.

      PerezHBD

      August 13, 2017 at 10:06 pm

      • Sure, he investigates the mayor and he resigns as a result of the investigation.

        I don’t know what Trump could possibly do to turn Charlottesville from a liberal hipsterville to a reddy town. This isn’t 1492 when King Ferdinand and Queen Isabelle ordered the Muslims to relinquish Granada and the city changes from Islam to Christian overnight.

        JS

        August 13, 2017 at 10:52 pm

      • Yeah, the Left just can’t help themselves. Likely has to do with the nature of evil. They went all out to get a big victory by finding a way to shut down the rally, breaking laws along the way never thinking about the consequences. Kind of like Obama’s spying against his political enemies towards the end of his presidency. Except Sessions won’t have to recuse from this, let’s see if Gentle Jeff actually upholds the law here.

        Andrew E.

        August 13, 2017 at 11:00 pm

      • The “work-around” is going to seriously bite them in the ass in the future, even if that bite isn’t directly related. As Ken White said at Popehat, “Federal judges always really mean it.”

        Phelps

        August 16, 2017 at 10:16 am

  6. Fear and anger are emotions that mingle easily. It’s entirely possible that he was on edge with both anger at being menaced earlier and fear that they would close in on him any at moment and he just decided “fuck it, I’m going to just hit the gas and these MFers will have no choice but get out of the way.” and then a half second later he’s in a 3-car collision and someone’s dead. That’s still a crime unless he was in immediate danger and lost control of his vehicle.

    Or maybe he’s just a psychopath who decided to murder people. I’m not psychic, unlike, apparently, most people on Twitter.

    Greg Pandatshang

    August 13, 2017 at 6:46 pm

  7. Most of this Nazi BS wouldn’t even be happening if the right was a united front with leaders who cared about poor and working class whites and looked out for their interests. Then these fools would be given guidance and wouldn’t be left to their own devices.

    The left is a well-oiled machine that is regimented from top to bottom, with a standardized core ideology. Things get done quickly because there’s a loose but very real chain of command. When the illegals took to the streets in 2006 to demand citizenship, many of them came out waving Latin American flags. Their leaders, realizing how bad it looked, instructed them to put a lid on it, and they did.

    No doubt a lot of the Nazis are indeed irredeemable, but many of them are just wayward stupid people. They could be guided away from this sort of crap, but that won’t happen as long as the mainstream right disowns anybody who dares to say to stand up to the anti-white invective (and violence) of the left.

    I wonder how much of the blame for the Nazi movement can be laid at the feet of federal infiltrators.

    Stealth

    August 13, 2017 at 6:48 pm

    • This is a very true comment. Being low IQ individual, I can see how I myself could have turned to Nazism out of desperation, if I weren’t Jewish. I used to fight counter demonstrators and leftists on campus and I enjoyed it. Low IQ people do this stuff. This is a total mess though.

      Confederacy is anti PC, this is why I support preserving all the monuments and flying the Confederate flag. Also, I think that they had a right to succeed. It made sense for the North not to let them, just like it made sense to conquer Canada, but just like Canada would have a right to defend itself so did the South. This purely on legal constitutional grounds. Remeber, in politics might makes right. Nothing else matters but power. This is what I think.

      Someone, and I don’t remember who, was dising Southern accents. I love them. I wish I could speak like that. Totally cool!.

      Yakov

      August 13, 2017 at 9:19 pm

      • > in politics might makes right. Nothing else matters but power. This is what I think.

        I agree.

        Two in the Bush

        August 13, 2017 at 10:24 pm

      • You’re not low IQ, Yakov, and some people need to be roughed up a little.

        Stealth

        August 13, 2017 at 10:30 pm

      • “…and some people need to be roughed up a little.”

        That’s absolutely true. As I’ve written before, there’s no better model for this type of action than the Hard Hat Riot of 1970 that took place in lower Manhattan. Hundreds of construction workers, many carrying American flags, beat the crap out of Communist and hippie protesters. Over 70 were hospitalized, including six cops. The leftists overreached and they got their asses kicked. And rightly so.

        Of course this was a different America. Just about everyone involved was white, and the cops clearly sympathized with the construction workers. I doubt that would happen today. Needless to say that if it did happen today, the media would side 100% with the left.

        Lewis Medlock

        August 14, 2017 at 11:08 am

    • +1

      A lot of the reason for the rise of the Nazi movement was that the other German right-wing parties at the time was all “in your place, peasant,” and then they wondered why they kept losing elections to the German left. They won the “winners” in German society, the rich and the petite bourgeoisie, there just weren’t enough of them. The Nazi movement provided an alternative to the Left that cared, or at least professed to care, about German workers, attracting many of the peasants and the working class, along with those in the lower middle class of German society such as self-employed businessmen and landholding peasants, who feared becoming “class enemies” under communism but knew they were little better than “the help” in the eyes of the rich.

      I see this “winner mentality” a lot in the right, both establishment and alt, and it’s killing us. Every time the subject comes to economic issues, people in the comments section say what amounts to “only a loser could care about not being able to afford healthcare, and who cares about them?” But it’s not enough just to alienate the proles, no, we must alienate the nerds too, with an endless parade of “you’re just saying that because you can’t get laid,” as if women’s romantic preferences should count for anything.

      If you want a movement where membership is restricted to high iq white chads, you will lose, because there aren’t that many of them, and half of them will embrace libtard virtue signalling anyway.

      LopT

      August 13, 2017 at 9:26 pm

      • Totally agree.

        Stealth

        August 13, 2017 at 10:34 pm

      • And high IQ whites learned from the Nazi experience that the white lower middle class can threaten the elites political power even if you neutralize the Communists. Solution -import low IQ non-white populations to keep the white lower classes in check. Mission accomplished in both Europe and the US.

        Peter Akuleyev

        August 14, 2017 at 2:01 am

      • “And high IQ whites learned from the Nazi experience that the white lower middle class can threaten the elites political power even if you neutralize the Communists”.

        Spain would be the exception when it comes to this.

        Spanish Supremacy = Spain was the 1st to demonstrate Western Supremacy — the 1st to become wealthy from colonization, Spain defeated the Muslims at home and abroad and Spain was hellbent to take over all of Europe including Germany, but it ran out of money. Then came the right-wing Franco which Spain had to deal with until the 1970s. Hitler and Mussolini were long gone by then. Ironically, people are still debating if Spaniards are considered “White”.

        Spaniards no longer care for anything that is the European Right — we’ve done that, tried that…

        JS

        August 14, 2017 at 10:37 am

  8. I still can’t quite figure out what protests and marches are for, exactly. Obviously not to convince the municipal government to change their minds and keep a statue up.

    During the civil rights movement, I suppose the goal was for protestors and the media, working together, to pressure the federal government to intervene. It was not to change people’s minds but to force them to pay attention and act. But alt-right / nationalist activists don’t have the media on their side and do need to change minds. Not sure how this helps with that.

    Greg Pandatshang

    August 13, 2017 at 7:13 pm

    • Demonstrations are intended to either a.) intimidate and/or anger the enemy, or b.) show the enemy you aren’t going to take it lying down.

      That is all.

      Stealth

      August 13, 2017 at 7:25 pm

      • How does this accomplish either? They’re still going to take the statue down anyway. They’re not that intimidated. And the people who don’t want it to come down are going to have to put up with it coming down whether they like it or not. So in practice they just shout about it and then it’s the same difference as if they had taken in lying down anyway.

        Greg Pandatshang

        August 13, 2017 at 9:54 pm

    • This is the topic Lion should write on.

      Protests and marches are ridiculous. This isn’t how political persuasion works in the modern world.

      Thomas

      August 13, 2017 at 7:47 pm

      • How’s being a pseudonymous internet movement working out for us? We got nowhere until Trump. To most people, online is distinct from real life. 1 or 2% of people have been ranting on internet comment sections, but a tenth of them out, marching, and chanting will have a hundred times the psychological effect. It’s “irrational” but makes perfect sense when you consider our monkey brains.

        LopT

        August 13, 2017 at 9:38 pm

    • Millions of dollars worth of free publicity and name recognition.

      Toad

      August 13, 2017 at 8:18 pm

      • Sure, but it’s all negative coverage. I don’t know how the math works on when negative coverage hurts or helps.

        Greg Pandatshang

        August 13, 2017 at 9:51 pm

    • group bonding

      mark

      August 13, 2017 at 8:39 pm

    • The point of the rally is to unite the white youth (which is already surprisingly united). Think about it from their perspective. Boomers like Paul Ryan don’t need to worry about this because they’ll be dead before they have to suffer the consequences for the polices they supported, but the youth doesn’t have that luxury. They have to prepare for the possibility of a minority white country, and we’ve seen what minority white counties look like. At best it is Brazil. At worst South Africa. Nazism (ironically, perhaps in alliance with Asians) is their only real choice. We need to stop looking at this thing through older eyes and realize how deadly serious politics is for the younger generation.

      PerezHBD

      August 13, 2017 at 10:10 pm

      • Paul Ryan was born in either 1970 or 1971, making him Generation X,and not even near the tail end of the baby boom generation, (like myself – born in the early 1960’s.) But I do see your point about how leaders can implement policy and not have to deal with the long-term ramifications due to their age.

        maryk

        August 13, 2017 at 11:32 pm

      • It’s starting to feel pretty serious to me. I’m not a Nazi or an anti-Semite, but neither were most of the people at the Charlottesville event (I’m guessing … I mean a lot of them are anti-Semites, let’s be real). But basically my family and everyone I know in meatspace thinks that every single person at Charlottesville was more or less of a homicidal maniac (the guys with tiki torches, I mean, not the friendly counter-protesters). Ostracism from kith and kin is always a possibility for me, but the part that’s really scary is that I every day I see them dehumanising the other side – my side – reinforcing and celebrating each other’s contempt and revulsion. That’s the type of attitude that is a prelude to violence.

        I don’t mean to imply that the right never dehumanises the left, too.

        Greg Pandatshang

        August 14, 2017 at 1:25 am

      • The dehumanization has been going on for a long time and is much more severe coming from the Left than from the Right. Violent civil unrest and possibly even civil war were baked into the cake long before Charlottesville.

        Otis the Sweaty

        August 14, 2017 at 8:54 am

      • Violent civil unrest and possibly even civil war were baked into the cake long before Charlottesville.

        There’s no civil war coming because the Left generally doesn’t know how to use guns. At least three quarters of those Left protesters don’t so much as know how to load a gun without shooting their hands.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        August 14, 2017 at 11:11 am

      • The dehumanization has been going on for a long time and is much more severe coming from the Left than from the Right.

        The pitch is intensifying among people I know. Granted, it’s still less than the spike around the time of the inauguration. Before Trump, rank and file shitlibs didn’t take this stuff too seriously. They just assumed Whig history would continue it’s forward march. They had a rude awakening and got angy.

        Greg Pandatshang

        August 14, 2017 at 3:39 pm

    • “But alt-right / nationalist activists don’t have the media on their side and do need to change minds. Not sure how this helps with that.”

      It doesn’t help, it only hurts. Other than the KKK, Nazi’s, and some fascist groups (Vanguard), none of these groups even seem to represent the alt right, new right, or whatever you want to call it. It’s just the same old Nazi’s and KKK. So how could there be any advantage in siding with these people?

      Mike Street Station

      August 13, 2017 at 10:11 pm

    • Protests and marches are always group therapy and nothing more.

      Phelps

      August 16, 2017 at 10:18 am

  9. Lion, you always revert to Neocon/blue-pill form.

    Only “white trash” wouldn’t keep their cool when screeching antifa hurl urine and feces at them?

    And this “murder-by-car” is total speculation on your part. I’d love to see you keep your cool in your car as ferals surround you and threaten to drag you out a la Reginald Denny.

    You should be *waaayyyy* past believing fairytales that Lee and the Confederacy were the “bad guys.”

    You know how the left can turn screaming violent NAMs into “civil rights heroes.” You know how the Left character assassinated/fires/imprisons decent people who try to disagree with them in good faith and in the name of dialogue and common ends.

    So, if they can lie that much TODAY about someone with whom you agree and admire then just IMAGINE the lies they’ve told about enemies/opposition decades or centuries old.

    fakeemail

    August 13, 2017 at 7:18 pm

    • The South seceded because they were offended that the federal government tried to outlaw slavery in new territories. I guess the confederates thought it would be great to make the rest of the future United States into one big version of the Southeast. A Detroit in every state! Wouldn’t that be wonderful? I was just thinking the other day how great it would be to find myself “in the wrong place at the wrong time” somewhere in Wyoming if I ever go on vacation there!

      Does that sound like what good guys want? The ordinary people of the South should have told their leaders they had no interest in fighting for slavery. The fact that they didn’t is a testament to groupthink and human stupidity.

      About me: actual rural Southerner who loves the South.

      Stealth

      August 13, 2017 at 8:25 pm

      • Well, the victory of the confederacy wouldn’t have magically imagined more Blacks into existence. Nor could they have conquered Wyoming. Instead, there’d be the same number of Blacks as now, just concentrated almost wholly in the South. The Great Migration, one of the best things that ever happened to the South, wouldn’t have happened, and the deep south would be majority Black.

        Agree that we should use different symbols, to definitively break with the past and with slavery. There’s already an alternative, Southern Nationalist flag we should use in place of the confederate flag:

        LopT

        August 13, 2017 at 9:49 pm

      • A rearrangement of the American flag with the same colors could work for those who strictly want a prole entity.

        A cross made up of stars representing the number of Red States on a blue square bloc with the number of red stripes representing number of Red States with their complementary white stripes, could be this new design.

        This revamping of the American flag could rub and shock the establishment in many meaningful ways. White America is Christian, Conservative, Republican, and exclusively of a few handful of states.

        JS

        August 13, 2017 at 10:46 pm

      • Well, the victory of the confederacy wouldn’t have magically imagined more Blacks into existence.

        There would have been a national confederate economic policy tailored to a plantation economy and that sector of their economy would have expanded. The national policy of the US privileged in the industrial north at the expense of southern agriculture before and after the war.

        Magnavox

        August 14, 2017 at 12:08 am

      • The South seceded because it was offended by the various power plays of northeastern banking interests.

        map

        August 14, 2017 at 5:48 pm

  10. If Ted hits Bob with a urine-filled balloon, Bob has the moral right to kill Ted.
    If Ted’s team throws hard objects at Bob’s team’s cars, Ted’s team-members should expect to get rammed.
    If Ted’s team brings women to the battlefield, Ted’s team should expect to mourn the loss of some of them.
    But of course that’s what Ted’s team wants — dead pretty Ted-team women. Hamas tactics.

    Garr

    August 13, 2017 at 7:18 pm

  11. Funny that the media can’t bring themselves to publicize the perpetrators of the BART attacks or when some poor black ‘youf’ gets shot by the police for being a ‘dindu nuffin’, even if its a black officer, there is never any open condemnation of the burning of public or private property by blacks. The media did not mention the racism of the city’s mayor and left out some other points.

    Someone

    August 13, 2017 at 7:21 pm

    • Almost like they have an agenda

      Two in the Bush

      August 13, 2017 at 10:28 pm

  12. “If Ted hits Bob with a urine-filled balloon, Bob has the moral right to kill Ted.”

    Really? You sound like the same violent NAMs you profess to hate, the type who’d fatally wound someone because they scuffed their shoes. Death is nowhere near a fair retaliation for having urine thrown on you, I’m shocked that this even needs to be spelled out.

    The conspiracy theories being peddled by alt-right types about this event sound a lot like the conspiracy theories some muslims reflexively start to spin when there’s an islamic terrorist attack. Nobody wants to believe their side has bad eggs.

    Gail

    August 13, 2017 at 8:53 pm

    • I agree. At this point the signs point to murder or something just shy of it.

      Magnavox

      August 14, 2017 at 12:11 am

      • You agree with what? That unintentionally, or even intentionally, scuffing someone’s shoe is equivalent to throwing piss at him? You agree with that?
        You agree that no violation of a man’s honor could possibly justify extremely violent retaliation?
        Gail is “shocked.” Of course she is. She.

        Garr

        August 14, 2017 at 7:48 am

      • The law does not excuse murder because it was revenge for getting piss thrown at you, and especially murder of someone who didn’t personally throw the piss at you.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        August 14, 2017 at 8:03 am

      • I agree with Gail. Thankfully I wasn’t raised with your toxic honor culture and notions of reprisal.

        Magnavox

        August 14, 2017 at 8:50 am

      • You Southerners and wannabe Southerners are very similar to blacks like Gail says. It doesn’t make sense to embrace southern white culture and criticize blacks, the two are just too similar.

        Magnavox

        August 14, 2017 at 8:53 am

      • Is it being argued that urine-throwing DOESN’T morally warrant an intensely violent response? Weird. I think if you throw your urine at someone, you are intentionally entering a realm of pure contempt in which you can no longer morally object to anything.

        Magnavox is sad, saying stuff like “toxic honor culture.” Sounds like a teenage girl practicing the vocabulary of her new-found bitchy progressivism.

        It’s more serious than that though. Parroting the slimy language of the Left to disparage notions of honor and masculinity is pretty evil.

        Rogal Dorn

        August 14, 2017 at 11:09 am

    • It is if that urine gives you, uh…… incurable VD.

      Stealth

      August 14, 2017 at 11:27 pm

  13. I saw a comment by one protester who took part in the torch march on the U of Virginia campus the night before the main protest. (Torch marches were promoted in Nazi propaganda, so this march had Nazi overtones.) This protester’s photograph circulated on Twitter. He said that although he looked like a racists in the photos, he was not a racists. He was simply trying to defend white European culture. He felt that removing the statue of Robert E. Lee from the park was part of a slow replacement of white heritage in the US.

    The statue of Robert E. Lee was built in 1924. It was a symbol of the South’s partial victory over re-construction by the imposing Jim Crow. Robert E. Lee committed treason by waging war on the US. This is a statue honoring an American traitor who waged war for the disgraceful cause of preserving slavery.

    Most European countries had outlawed slavery years before the civil war and they did it mostly peacefully, but 600,000+ Americans died in the civil war before slavery was ended in the US. Most of those casualties were whites of European descent on both side. To suggest that only the white Southerners represent the US white European heritage is an insult to the hundreds of thousand of white Americans that gave their life to defeat the Confederacy and to end slavery in the US.

    Slavery and Jim Crow were American disgraces. After declaring that all men are created equal, it took the US another 90 years to end slavery, and another hundred years after that to pass the civil rights laws and end Jim Crow.

    It is perfectly understandable that in college town like Charlottesville the residents would want to remove the symbols of Jim Crow. Unreconstructed racists politician and leaders simply recognized an opportunity to create a confrontation by organizing a Nazi style torch parade and a large demonstration at the park. They hoped to provoke the counter demonstrators into violence they could exploit for political purposes.

    This protecting white European heritage is just the new racist double speak which insults the people of all races who built this country.

    mikeca

    August 13, 2017 at 9:15 pm

    • “Robert E. Lee committed treason by waging war on the US. This is a statue honoring an America.”

      The US held no legal claim over the South. Your assertion of right is complete and utter delusion.

      Curle

      August 14, 2017 at 12:03 am

      • Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution says:

        To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;

        The state of South Carolina had no legal authority over Fort Sumter. On April 12, 1861 when the confederate forces opened fire on Fort Sumter, they became a terrorist organization. Abraham Lincoln conducted the civil war to restore law and order and defend the Constitution.

        Robert E Lee was a commander of a terrorist organization and he is responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Americans, mostly white Americans. All true Americans should be applauding the removal of a statue of a terrorist commands.

        mikeca

        August 14, 2017 at 10:50 am

      • “The state of South Carolina had no legal authority over Fort Sumter. On April 12, 1861 when the confederate forces opened fire on Fort Sumter, they became a terrorist organization”

        Nonsense. South Carolina had already seceded from the Union. Fort Sumter was now an outpost of a foreign army. Remember, the fort was in Charleston harbor, not in the north. It was akin to Nazi Germany having a fort in New York harbor at the outbreak of WWII. Precisely the same situation.

        The South tried again and again to get the Union to peacefully leave the Fort, even sending a delegation to Lincoln, which he pointedly ignored. Lincoln then goaded the south on by sending a mission to resupply the troops at Sumter. This was a deliberate provocation. Of course the Confederacy then needed to take the fort back by force, which was Lincoln’s intent all along, and it gave him the pretext he needed to invade the South.

        Incidentally, no Union soldiers even died in the taking of the fort.

        peterike

        August 14, 2017 at 12:45 pm

      • “Nonsense. South Carolina had already seceded from the Union.”

        There is nothing in the Constitution to allow a state to secede. South Carolina’s declaration of secession was a meaningless document that carried no legal force.

        mikeca

        August 14, 2017 at 1:33 pm

    • He felt that removing the statue of Robert E. Lee from the park was part of a slow replacement of white heritage in the US….To suggest that only the white Southerners represent the US white European heritage is an insult to the hundreds of thousand of white Americans that gave their life to defeat the Confederacy and to end slavery in the US.

      But they’re not replacing the statues of confederates with statues of other whites so removing the statues is a replacement of white heritage. It would be great if northern whites were taking over the country and replacing statues of confederates with statues of themselves but that’s not happening and instead there is a non-white takeover that is undermining the United States and much of the western world.

      Magnavox

      August 14, 2017 at 12:04 am

      • As far as I know there are currently no plans to replace the statue. The city has renamed the park from Lee Park to Emancipation Park. The city voted to remove the statue, but that is being challenged in court.

        Many Americans find a statue of a terrorist commander who is responsible for 600,000+ American deaths deeply offensive.

        mikeca

        August 14, 2017 at 11:00 am

      • Even if they’re not replacing any statues and even if I was talking literally only about statues (neither of which is true) it still constitutes erasing white heritage unless they replace it at a minimum with another statue of a white person. So I still win. Yay me!

        You make some really smart comments. This wasn’t one of them. And I won’t even go into blaming all 600,000 deaths on Lee. Although if there is some substance to calling him a terrorist I would like to hear that argument.

        Magnavox

        August 14, 2017 at 3:37 pm

      • There is nothing in the Constitution that allows a state to unilaterally secede from the US. In the 1869 case Texas v. White the US Supreme Court ruled that any state actions taken to declare secession or implement the Ordinance of Secession were null and void. The Supreme Court suggested in that ruling that it might be legal for a state to secede if Congress approved, but the language of the Constitution was not clear on that.

        The Confederacy was an illegal rebellion which attempted to seize control of a portion of the US by force of arms. For all intention purpose it was little different than ISIS, which tied to seize control of parts of Syria and Iraq by force of arms. In modern terminology, the Confederacy was a terrorist organization.

        Hundreds of thousands of Americans lost their life trying to restore the rule of law and end the Confederacy. Robert E. Lee was a commander of the Confederacy. Erecting a statue of him is commemorating a terrorist commander who shared responsibility for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Americans.

        mikeca

        August 14, 2017 at 9:56 pm

      • Many Americans find a statue of a terrorist commander who is responsible for 600,000+ American deaths deeply offensive.

        please tell me that was a joke mike.

        if not then you just lost whatever credibility you had left.

        ron burgundy

        August 14, 2017 at 11:05 pm

      • There is nothing in the Constitution that allows a state to unilaterally secede from the US.

        nor is there anything which disallows it.

        drrr!

        ron burgundy

        August 14, 2017 at 11:07 pm

      • For all intention purpose…

        just plain sad!

        it’s the stupidity stupid.

        ron burgundy

        August 14, 2017 at 11:08 pm

      • please tell me that was a joke mike.

        Not a joke.

        nor is there anything which disallows it.

        In Texas v. White the US Supreme Court ruled that any state actions taken to declare secession or implement an Ordinance of Secession are null and void. It is illegal for a state to unilaterally secede from the US. In Texas v. White the Supreme Court said it might be legal to secede if the secession is approved by Congress, but that was not the case for the Confederacy. The Confederacy was an illegal attempt to secede from the Union by force of arms. The Confederacy was a terrorist organization that was responsible for the death of hundreds of thousands of loyal Americans who fought to defeat terrorism, restore law and order and defend the Constitution. The leaders of the Confederacy were traitors who should have been tried for treason.

        Why should the US have statues honoring traitors and terrorist? The Confederacy was not an honorable cause, it was a terrorist group fighting to continue the practice of slavery.

        mikeca

        August 15, 2017 at 4:09 pm

    • The US held no legal claim over the South.

      If you are a Confederate partisan why the hell are you pro-WASP since it was Lincoln’s victory over the South that ended the South’s role as the home of the nation’s Cavalier elite and replaced them with a Yankee WASP elite?

      The Undiscovered Jew

      August 14, 2017 at 11:03 am

  14. Lion, if the mainstream media had the discipline to stick to the facts here, you might have a point.

    But they don’t. Even when the underlying story is aligned with their preferred narrative, they can’t leave well enough alone, they still misrepresent and cheat in plain view. They can’t help themselves, even when refraining would benefit them. And that cheating prevents more than a negligible number of minds from being changed. It doesn’t hurt that Trump’s unambiguously right about all sides (neo-Nazis, “antifa”, and local government) sucking here rather than just one side.

    Don’t despair. The wisest people on your blogroll are gaining more power and influence. You’ll see this trend continue.

    DB

    August 13, 2017 at 9:37 pm

  15. This bears repeating, white people who openly and boldly espouse right wing views could spend their entire
    lives behaving like saints, but the MSM will still nail them to the wall, because that’s the way the MSM operates. Admittedly given the actions of James Fields Jr, the liberal media now has fresh material to gloat about for at least three years, but be that as it may my sympathies are very firmly with Fields. Doubly so if he was in fact hit by the urine bag.

    Roli

    August 13, 2017 at 9:50 pm

    • But this goes to the essential truth that right now, only President Trump and the Alt Right seem to understand- that the MSM is an entity that needs to be destroyed, not appeased.

      PerezHBD

      August 13, 2017 at 11:32 pm

      • Neither Trump nor the vast majority of the alt right can get over their worship of large corporations and the so called free market long enough to actually come out in favor of media regulations to actually solve the problem. Trump just uses his supporters hatred of the media to trick them into thinking he’s helping them when all he’s doing is throwing tantrums on twitter.

        The media is a sector of the economy that is out of control and acting against the interests of the country and needs to be regulated to change its behavior. People in the alt right and Trump supports can’t handle that basic truth.

        Magnavox

        August 14, 2017 at 12:14 am

    • Your sympathies are very firmly with a murderer? WTF is wrong with you people

      IHTG

      August 14, 2017 at 4:35 am

  16. The right shouldn’t demonstrate, because the idiots and trolls will break out the nazi regalia every time. The left does not have a symbol as recognizable as that. Even the hammer and sickle flag doesn’t face anyone.

    Demonstrate with voting, writing and funding. All that street brawling and caterwauling is undigified anyway.

    Mrs Stitch

    August 13, 2017 at 10:01 pm

    • That’s like saying the Left shouldn’t rally because some idiot will have a Commie Flag. This was the largest Alt Right rally in history, and almost nobody (clearly less than 1%) brought the things you are complaining about. Even if the Alt Right were to attain 99.9% compliance with your dress code the MSM will still run photos of the one guy with a swastika. And if they got 100% they’d just dress one of their own up and pretend.

      -The leaders of the Alt Right discourage Nazi attire.
      -And almost nobody in the Alt Right wore Nazi attire.
      -That’s as good as you are ever going to get.

      PerezHBD

      August 13, 2017 at 11:37 pm

      • “That’s like saying the Left shouldn’t rally because some idiot will have a Commie Flag.”

        The mainstream media would ignore the “commie” flag, whatever that is.

        “And almost nobody in the Alt Right wore Nazi attire”

        Almost isn’t good enough. And I saw a lot of logos that were intentionally reminiscent of Nazi logos.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        August 14, 2017 at 7:20 am

      • The left shouldn’t rally, because there were plenty of unruly blacks who provoke the protestors, where one was met with an exacting vengeance in the face, as he was crying for help laying on the ground. That’s when his brothers charged like wild primates on the White perpetrator and it becomes an animal show.

        JS

        August 14, 2017 at 11:38 am

      • This is what the Antifa was doing at the peaceful rally.

        And your worried about some of them getting run over by a car?

        Understand that antifas and all leftists are basically Bolsheviks and their agenda is the Kulakization of White People. You can rationalize all you want about Robert E. Lee being a “terrorist” or slavery being evil, but what happens when these Bolsheviks demand that each White Person only gets a one-third of the vote, like the slaves used to have? Are you going to tar every protestor against that agenda as a racist? Are you going to worry about “optics” then? This is where it’s always been heading, and what these “Nazis” do is largely irrelevant.

        Bolsheviks behave this way in every country they are formed: Russia, Germany, Spain, Italy, Argentina, Chile, Venezuela, screaming in the streets for bloody revolution and attacking everyone they don’t like. America is no different. Fascism emerges as the proper antibody to Bolshevik activity because the democracy and constitutionalism of high-trust societies are no match for the intellectual dishonesty and violence of the Bolshevik. The Fascist cuts through noise of Bolshevik dissembling…usually quite literally.

        map

        August 14, 2017 at 2:12 pm

      • Almost isn’t good enough.

        why?

        isn’t good enough for the msm?

        that’s true.

        jon meacham’s take on charlie rose was very good. he gets it.
        https://charlierose.com/videos/30882

        ron burgundy

        August 15, 2017 at 4:20 pm

    • Communism killed 100 million people in the 20th century alone.
      Even though both communism and nazism were contemptible and evil ideologies, lets not forget that one of these is merely a fringe parasite on a larger nationalist movement. The deadlier of them is the mainstream and openly-promoted agenda of most left-wing organizations.

      Panther of the Blogocube

      August 14, 2017 at 1:00 am

      • Leftists do have a soft-spot for communism, but they don’t carry pictures of Josef Stalin at their rallies.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        August 14, 2017 at 7:24 am

      • I’ve never seen anyone comment “Stalin was right” and I’ve seen plenty say “Hitler was right”

        Magnavox

        August 14, 2017 at 8:56 am

      • The liberal affection for left wing extremists is more about guerrillas and renegades than plump bureaucrats. So nobody carries a photo of Stalin, but they sure do have plenty of Che Guevara. For fuck’s sake, we’re talking about a side that has hired New Left domestic terrorists convicted of murder to teach in our universities. Nobody in a position of responsibility on the right does anything comparable.

        Richard

        August 14, 2017 at 10:35 am

      • Yes, Stalin was right.

        What would happen if capital succeeded in smashing the Republic of Soviets? There would set in an era of the blackest reaction in all the capitalist and colonial countries, the working class and the oppressed peoples would be seized by the throat, the positions of international communism would be lost.

        Yes, Stalin was right! Heck. The fact that fewer people says that Stalin was right proves that he is right. It shows how anti-communist propaganda is more pervasive than anti-Nazi sentiment.

        Richard, many people on the right respect Pinochet. He kill a lot of a people, more than Castro and Che, at least.

        Black_Rose

        August 14, 2017 at 1:44 pm

      • @Black_Rose

        In dysfunctional societies of the Second and Third World, having a Pinochet as a band-aid/temporary placeholder on the way to more stable government isn’t a totally bad thing. In many of those societies, I’m not sure they can ever be governed by anyone except a firm dictator; social capital is real and variable. Yet no one on the right confuses this with thinking Pinochet would be a good fit for mature societies in the First World. On the other hand, when leftists praise Che Guevera they want it here. Hence the soft spot for ’60s radicals and why they keep giving those people coveted jobs in liberal-dominated institutions, even though they committed extreme acts of violence against Americans.

        Richard

        August 14, 2017 at 8:31 pm

  17. Anatoly Karlin on Unz.com thinks this wasn’t a PR disaster for the alt-right (Cville War). Of course, this depends on how you define the alt-right. You seem to consider yourself part of the alt-right, but Karlin would disagree:

    (1) No, I don’t think it’s a PR disaster by any stretch of the imagination.

    The thing is, people who are already highly allergic to any displays of Nazi symbology aren’t exactly the sort of people who would think positively of let alone sign up for the Alt Right.

    As for people within the Alt Right itself, well, they’d have to have lived under a rock to not know that the Alt Right has a significant Nazi and Neo-Nazi presence from the mostly ironic /pol/ to the larping Right Stuff to the utterly hardcore Andrew Anglin of The Daily Stormer.

    There is a name for the “civic nationalist” subset of Trumpism Inc. that would have nothing to do with the Nazis: The “New Right,” or “Alt Lite.” But they are also not the sort of people who’d turn up to defend a Confederate monument.

    I think the simplest analogy is Unite The Right is the Black Lives Matter of the right.

    Dave Pinsen

    August 14, 2017 at 1:25 am

    • “I think the simplest analogy is Unite The Right is the Black Lives Matter of the right.”

      I could agree with that analogy. Except that on the left, everyone is afraid to criticize BLM, so BLM is a lot more mainstream than Unite the Right.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      August 14, 2017 at 7:25 am

    • Anatoly Karlin on Unz.com thinks this wasn’t a PR disaster for the alt-right

      So? There are websites where people insist they’ve seen Bigfoot. At the rate the altright is imploding the odds are better there is a living Bigfoot somewhere than that the altright will get its shit together.

      That Unz.com is considered one of the major “altright” websites demonstrates the altright is finished.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      August 14, 2017 at 11:00 am

      • r/TheDonald represents the heart and soul of the Alt-Lite. They are mocked and ridiculed incessantly by the Alt-Right. But even r/TheDonald is 100% behind the Alt-Right on this incident. Media completely overplayed their hand, and with the video that came out last night, they are suffering complete narrative collapse among anyone even remotely affiliated with right of center politics. They lied, they got caught, and now it looks like they are doubling down with the lies. I’ve seen no indication of the MSM picking up the video or the stories about the Mayor’s actions that have already permeated every corner of the Rightosphere by now.

        PerezHBD

        August 14, 2017 at 12:06 pm

      • PerezHBD,

        What video?

        map

        August 14, 2017 at 2:46 pm

      • r/TheDonald represents the heart and soul of the Alt-Lite. They are mocked and ridiculed incessantly by the Alt-Right. But even r/TheDonald is 100% behind the Alt-Right on this incident.

        I’m judging Unz.com on more than just this most recent media circus.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        August 14, 2017 at 4:41 pm

    • it was only 1,500 people. it’s MEANINGLESS.

      but the corporate media hypes it.

      why?

      class!

      anything which directs attention away from economic issues and the incompetence and/or evil of the ruling class.

      ron burgundy

      August 15, 2017 at 4:14 pm

  18. by the standards of the media and normal society and politics, practically everybody on this blog would be considered a nazi too. believing in HBD = nazi.

    james n.s.w

    August 14, 2017 at 3:25 am

    • Nice guys don’t win in the USA. Disenfranchised Whites need to play dirty just like everyone else. Let’s bring America down a notch into 3rd World status where tribal and race affiliation are practiced to the T.

      Alt-Right spokesman Richard Spencer has his Yankee roots in New England, yet, he supports the Southern Rednecks and their right for separatism and take what they think should belong to them. The social dynamics are clearly different from the 19th century, when Whites were the majority and non-black minorities were an insignificant population. Whites could afford to crap on one another back then, but fast forwarding to the 21st century, the latter group threatens the existence of the former, and enemies within the same race group suddenly become strange bedfellows as a result of tribal instincts.

      Clearly, liberal Whites are more hypocritical than the reactionary ones, because they are in denial of race and tribal affiliation.

      JS

      August 14, 2017 at 8:57 am

  19. Pretty white girl killed, for whatever motive, by alt-right member. We will be reminded of this every day for years to come.

    Pretty white girl killed, for whatever motive, by Somalian immigrant cop. Already down the memory hole.

    peterike

    August 14, 2017 at 8:49 am

    • Pretty white girl woman killed, for whatever motive, by Somalian immigrant cop. Already down the memory hole.

      JS

      August 14, 2017 at 10:11 am

  20. yeah she wasn’t pretty anyway. why do people keep saying she was pretty, just saying every young girl is pretty bc theyre young and a girl is how the egomonster of the typical female is being fed these days.

    james n.s.w

    August 14, 2017 at 10:43 am

  21. the australian chick who got killed by the somali in minneapolis wasnt pretty either.

    james n.s.w

    August 14, 2017 at 10:44 am

  22. I don’t see how this is anything but a disaster for The Noble Cause of saving white nations. The Powers That Be will use this as an excuse to really start clamping down on bad thinkers. GoDaddy already got rid of The Daily Stormer site, and the fuss is only just starting. Who’s next?

    EVERYONE is against this, and it’s a huge embarrassment. And all because of the guy with the car. And no, it doesn’t matter what “really” happened. The Narrative is set in stone (hateful white hater acting hatefully). There is no such thing as Narrative Collapse and never has been. This event has now made it more difficult for people to come out as being Alt-Right. And it was hard enough as it is.

    We have people on Twitter trying to out everyone at the rally, and there’s already been people fired because of it.

    Sessions came out and said: “There is no bigger case right now that we are working on. Every resource will be dedicated to it.” What does that even mean? What is the “case” here? They caught the guy driving the car. What else is there to be done? Start arresting the Alt-Right guys from the rally? Will Antifa be treated the same? I doubt it.

    Trump is the only one who’s even been slightly even-handed as he condemned “hate” “on all sides.” Everyone else is saying: “Evil alt-right hate needs to be met with righteous Progressive violence!” But Trump will likely cave.

    peterike

    August 14, 2017 at 11:05 am

    • Relax and turn off the boomer news outlets. The Trump election changed the battlespace and re-drew the lines and now those lines are set. A hundred Charlottesvilles can’t change them but only harden them further. It’s just slow and messy trench warfare from here on out until victory.

      Andrew E.

      August 14, 2017 at 11:17 am

      • I hope you’re right.

        peterike

        August 14, 2017 at 12:47 pm

    • >>And all because of the guy with the car.

      That was the lesser of the problem. I much greater problem was the Nazi flags and brown shirted dickheads. They were a tiny minority of the marchers, but they were there, highly visible and the media zoomed in on them. Alt-right has to kick out and push away reich-tards. They are a fringe element of assholes who fuck things up for the right.

      Daniel

      August 14, 2017 at 7:53 pm

      • Neo nazism is not fringe on the offical altright, as in altright.com.

        Magnavox

        August 14, 2017 at 11:39 pm

  23. When communists and nazis fight, you don’t pick sides. You pray for an asteroid.

    Half Canadian

    August 14, 2017 at 12:55 pm

    • I would support Videla over Pinochet in the Beagle crisis.

      Black_Rose

      August 15, 2017 at 12:15 am


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