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Game of Thrones, Season 7 Episode 5, Eastwatch

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Jaime and Bronn emerge from the river, with Jaime still in full armor and with his surely very heavy golden hand still attached. Danerys and her army are no where to be seen. They must have swam pretty far. In full armor. How did they manage that?

Danerys’ dragon likes Jon. This is like a girl on earth discovering that her Doberman Pinscher likes a potential boyfriend. Danerys stops being a bitch for a few moments to allow Jon to leave and head up to the Wall to try to capture an undead to show Cersie. As if Cersie cares. She’s just going to take advantage any armistice or joint mission to betray them.

That Littlefinger sure is sneaky. I was too stupid to realize that he set Arya up and that he wanted her to read whatever it was on that scroll. [A commenter informed me that it was the traitorous letter that Sansa wrote to Robb, which Cersie forced her to write.]

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Where is Euron Greyjoy? I think he’s going to be pretty pissed when he finds out that Cersie, whom he thinks is going to marry him, is knocked up with Jaime’s incest child.

Last week I pondered whether Jaime might switch sides. But now with Cersie being pregnant, I am pretty sure that means he’s going to stick by her until the bitter end.

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A commenter game me the idea that Jon Snow is being set up to be the King of Westoros and not Danerys. Once it’s discovered that that Snow is actually the legitimate son of Rhaegar Targaryen, the older brother of Danerys, making Jon the true heir to the Targaryens (as discovered by Gilly), everything will come into clarity. Why drop all these hints if they writers aren’t going to use it.

And that’s why the Dragons like Jon, they detect that he’s the legitimate Targaryen king.

Remember that Westeros believes in primogeniture, which means the oldest son inherits everything. Danerys believes she’s the Targaryen heir because she believes the every other Targaryen is dead. But now that we know that the oldest son married legally, then his wife gave birth to a son, that makes Jon Snow the true heir and not Danerys.

The problem is that no one knows this. We, the audience, know this because we saw Bran’s dream and then we saw Gilly stumble over what Sam thought was an unimportant passage in an unimportant book.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

August 13, 2017 at 10:01 pm

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  1. Nice to see nature reassert itself and Danerys’ counsel being completely male, unlike the first few episodes when it was Yara, the Dorne girls, and Marjorie’s mom.They’ve really brought that girl power stuff down and murdered them all the last few works. .

    Cersei wanting another baby makes sense, otherwise what are they ruling for?

    What’s the deal with Aya? Could she see into Sansaa’s brain? If so, how can Little Finger trick her?

    I paused and tried to read the letter, couldn’t get anything. It looks like the note is from Sansaa and it has something to do with King Jeffrey?

    Jeremy Cooper

    August 13, 2017 at 10:39 pm

    • It’s the letter Cersi forced Sansa to write saying their father committed treason, and adding Robb Stark to come South to bend the knee (it was a trap, Robb didn’t go).

      Dsgntd_plyr

      August 13, 2017 at 11:16 pm

      • Wow, good memory! Thanks.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        August 13, 2017 at 11:31 pm

      • I’d also like to thank you. I don’t even remember that, I thought that was why they do the “Previously on Game of Thrones” thing, to remind us of stuff we’ll need to remember to understand the episode. Who the hell remembers the Robert had a bastard?

        I wonder what Little Finger’s plan is. Obviously to sow discord, but to what end?

        Jeremy Cooper

        August 14, 2017 at 12:14 am

  2. They just upped the pacing x10 jeez…

    Kaz

    August 14, 2017 at 12:07 am

  3. The dragon probably liked Jon because Melisandre revived him with that whatever she did. I mean come on. The immediately next thing in that scene after he connects with the dragon is Dany asking him about the knife in the heart statement. She knows, or at least senses, that he’s … special.

    CMC

    August 14, 2017 at 12:17 am

    • The dragon likes Jon because he has Targaeryan blood, which makes them dragon masters. In this episode there is even a throaway line about Rhaegar Targaeryan marrying a girl, the marriage producing Jon.

      johnBeck

      August 14, 2017 at 10:04 am

      • Yes, I think you have the better of it, cool, thanks. Did the throwaway line include the name ‘Jon’?

        CMC

        August 16, 2017 at 7:33 am

  4. “Danerys’ dragon likes Jon. This is like a girl on earth discovering that her Doberman Pinscher likes a potential boyfriend. Danerys stops being a bitch for a few moments to allow Jon to leave and head up to the Wall to try to capture an undead to show Cersie. As if Cersie cares. She’s just going to take advantage any armistice or joint mission to betray them.”

    –> I’ve been thinking since the former episode that Jon Snow was a son of a Targaryan (that’s why the dragon likes him). And in this episode, we learn that Raeghar had an anulment of his mariage. So Jon is the son of Raeghar and Ed Stark sister. She certainly asked him to say it was his bastard to save the baby from the rage of Robert Baratheon. It explains that Ed Stark had never broken is very high moral values (everyone was abashed by this possibility).I don’t know if someone else than me has understood this as I’m new to this serie. Jon is the nephew of Daenarys.

    Bruno

    August 14, 2017 at 6:43 am

    • As an audience, “we’ve known” that Jon is really the son of Raeghar since Bran had his vision last season. But I had always questioned how useful that knowledge is since, how do you prove that? But with Gilly’s finding, there may actually be documented proof.

      Mike Street Station

      August 14, 2017 at 8:12 am

  5. And I am not sure but I think Ed Stark sister was in Dorne. They say that when they were speaking about her beauty, as Raeghar was there.
    Quot erat demonstrandum 🙂

    Bruno

    August 14, 2017 at 6:47 am

  6. I’ve just googled it and it looks like everyone one knows about that. The weird think is that they don’t explain it in a logical way. It was found by :
    – some reader of the novel by logic (I havent read the book)
    – leakers from HBO
    – then, HBO stupidly gave a family tree, with the true parents of Snow.

    I haven’t read people deducing it from the episodes when Bran Stark see the baby exchange and the vow. But as I founded independently, it reinforces the probability of that being true.

    Bruno

    August 14, 2017 at 6:56 am

  7. Daenarys sure was giving Jon the lovey-dovey look in that episode, in several scenes, ending with the boys heading out in the boat and (ironically) only Jorah looks back to her. “R + L = J” has been floating around for years, long before scene at the end of last season. As much as i don’t like the guy, if that was his plan, and he goes through it in spite of it having been sussed out by readers, i give Martin a bit more credit for sticking to his guns.

    The Baelish/LittleFinger thing was sort of interesting, particularly when it ended with what appears to be him setting her up. I had to pause the video and try real hard to read it, but clearly it was the note that Cersie made her write. I can only assume the goal is to get Arya to undermine Sansa? but I feel like there might be a double fake going on here, ore maybe it’s the old Ladder of Chaos at work. They need at least one more really wicked deed out of Baelish to explain the ridiculousness of keeping him around (vis a vis the Starks not ending him).

    Really, the little get together at the end with all the ballers heading north was good. Men of the West doing what they do. Plus another epic line by The Hound. Not quite as good as this one I’ve met better men than you …. But almost worth slogging through the rest of the episode.

    Anonymous Funk

    August 14, 2017 at 10:46 am

  8. Speaking of dragons, Danerys continuing to call the dragons her “children,” makes her seem like a cat lady. There’s one episode where she says “They’re the only children I’ll ever have.” Why does she never think she’ll have children? Too focused on her career? Who will rule after her? Will it be democracy forever?

    If Westeros reaches the End of History thanks to the Dragon Queen in the end it’ll be the most disappointing finish possible.

    Jeremy Cooper

    August 14, 2017 at 11:22 am

    • Things were starting to look a little too kumbaya-ish, with everyone possibly getting together to fight the Dead. But then Cersei let it slip that she’s just going to troll Danerys looking for an opening to stab her in the back. This whole thing is more likely to be decided by assassinations than by any wars between Queens.

      peterike

      August 14, 2017 at 11:59 am

      • Now that would be some realism.

        The two queens declare peace and agree to pretend to be friends but then each tries to assassinate the other constantly and they say superficially nice but actually really bitchy mean things to each other.

        Steve Johnson

        August 14, 2017 at 7:41 pm

    • The witch in season 1 cursed her and told her she would never have babies again.

      Jamie

      August 14, 2017 at 1:25 pm

      • Oh yeah, thanks. This thread is a repository of forgotten information.

        Jeremy Cooper

        August 14, 2017 at 2:53 pm

  9. So Jon Snow is Danerys’ brother and Sansa’s cousin. That certainly limits his romantic options. It also means Sansa is the Stark heir instead of Jon Snow. But if Sansa’s treasonous letter comes to light then she’d be disqualified making Arya the Queen of the North. Littlefinger wants to marry a Stark girl. Sansa won’t have him so he’s plotting to have her removed with the letter. Arya accuses Sansa of wanting to be queen but I suspect she’s projecting. So she’ll be Littlefinger’s willing (or unwitting) accomplice in that.

    The reintroduction of Gendry Baratheon adds a bit more royal intrigue as well. He was Arya’s friend. And his royal bloodline gives Arya a potential royal suitor.

    destructure

    August 14, 2017 at 11:48 am

    • Jon Snow is Danerys’ nephew. But the Targaryen’s have practiced incest, so that romantic option is still open.

      MEH 0910

      August 14, 2017 at 2:39 pm

      • thanks. i read that somewhere after i posted. that would be an interesting taboo for GoT to break. there’s been lots of homosexuality. And, of course, there are cersei and jaime lannister — but they’re the baf guys. it would be interesting to see the good guys keeping it in the family.

        destructure

        August 14, 2017 at 4:17 pm

  10. It’s amazing how nobody notices the basic offensiveness and warped values of Game of Thrones. It’s a story about an entitled White Woman, banished because she is descended from a line of tyrants, marching an army of dusky foreigners and three weapons of mass destruction onto her homeland who run around killing White People.

    Her second-in-command is a dwarf who turns against his own family, like the Spartan traitor at Thermopylae. Thankfully, his grotesque appearance is an indicator of his warped morality, like Stephen Hawking.

    Outside of their sexual immorality, it’s hard to regard the Lannister’s as evil and, as far as we know, they were instrumental in removing the Mad King from power. They’ve earned their place in Westeros, in a way Daenarys has not. But, she freed slaves, so she can do whatever she wants.

    This is the ideology informing American Bolshevism.

    map

    August 14, 2017 at 4:34 pm

    • Tyrion, the dwarf, was falsely set up as a murder by his own family so they could execute him. Anything he does back to them is morally justified.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      August 14, 2017 at 4:40 pm

      • Jaime Lannister helped him escape from that fate.

        map

        August 14, 2017 at 6:03 pm

      • Except that last episode he just confessed that he built a secret passage into his ancestral home that completely undermined the security so that he could have sex with whores – his justification was that his father didn’t like that he had sex with whores and never trusted him and as a result gave him the bad job of building the sewers. What he actually proved was that his father was right and actually had put too much trust in him rather than too little.

        Steve Johnson

        August 14, 2017 at 7:46 pm

      • Steve Johnson,

        Oh…of course. I forgot about that. That’s how the Dothraki got into the castle.

        Luckily, the Lannister’s had removed the troops from the castle.

        map

        August 14, 2017 at 11:38 pm

  11. I liked the ending with the Magnificent Seven/Seven Samurai going on a mission north of the Wall to save all the regular people.

    Is that in the novels, or have the show writers found a way to redeem and wrap up the entire series?

    CMC

    August 16, 2017 at 7:41 am

    • The show writers found a way to redeem and wrap up the entire series.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      August 16, 2017 at 7:52 am

    • The novels aren’t complete, and the show passed almost everyone’s storyline in season 5 or season 6.

      massivefocusedinaction

      August 16, 2017 at 9:14 am


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