The anti-establishment right
The term “alt-right” now means idiots who hate Jews and who appropriate Nazi-inspired imagery if not actual swastikas, like the people who protested in Virginia.
Because the left likes to think of themselves as being “anti-establishment” (even though the reality is that the left is the new establishment), this term is more resistant to leftists changing the meaning.
I am really offended by these prole neo nazis who show up to confirm every stereotype known to man.
How can we mount a legitimate defense against the establishment with these low class goons cosplaying as movie bad guys. It’s so stupid, and anti-american! No one whose grandfather fought against these guys in WW2 has any sympathy for nazis. It’s terrible propaganda for the right.
If the alt right was smart they would purge this prole loser skinhead segment from the movement, ban any nazi imagery, and let swpls like Spencer and damore push the envelope in a reasonable manner.
Jjbees
August 14, 2017 at EDT pm
Why any name at all? Why does it always have to be a group of males who desperately need other dudes to connect with? Why?
How about actually dealing with issues and present positions on real issues?
Because it’s NEVER about issues with these GUYS, it’s about hanging out with the boys, the bros etc.
“this song always reminds me of when i used to homoerotically play volleyball with my friends from the air force”
LOL.
Rifleman
August 14, 2017 at EDT pm
That scene was beyond gay. So was that movie, now that I think about it.
Stealth
August 14, 2017 at EDT pm
i’ll tell you why those jackholes do it. it’s the same reason they’d play dress up and go on jerry springer. they’re using it as a recruitment tool. they don’t care if they look like idiots and piss off millions of people. just as long as they get 15 new members. then they say, “if other people don’t have the guts to stand up like us then we don’t need them!”
destructure
August 14, 2017 at EDT pm
“No one whose grandfather fought against these guys in WW2 has any sympathy for nazis. It’s terrible propaganda for the right.”
Don’t kid yourself. Most wars of that era were fought by young men with little invested beyond a strong desire to kill anyone necessary who stood in the way of a return ticket home; this included overly ambitious senior officers. Read Fussell’s war bio. He’s cleverer than most and didn’t have a clue why he was fighting the Germans aside from the blatant propaganda put out by our own government which many took with a huge grain of salt.
I had two uncles who fought in that war and never once heard a bad word said of the Germans. The Japs on the other hand. . . .
Curle
August 14, 2017 at EDT pm
I agree, but to be fair that is just what the media is highlighting, it only takes one guy with a swastica to show up to let the media zoom in on that. Half the images the media is showing, it wouldn’t surprise me if they weren’t from Charlotteville.
DataExplorer
August 15, 2017 at EDT am
“If the alt right was smart they would purge this prole loser skinhead segment from the movement, ban any nazi imagery, and let swpls like Spencer and damore push the envelope in a reasonable manner”
There aren’t many SWPLrights, hardly.
But yes, I agree with you. These guys tainted the entire movement. Even ugly chicks like Faith Goldy, who is considered hot by legions of sex starved men, are distancing themselves after what happened on Saturday.
In reality, it’s all a freak show masking economic insecurity — a few years ago, these men would be protesting about the 1% with NAMs as OWS, but the globalists/capitalists have since divide n conquer the populace even further, where these moments take on a racial tone instead.
JS
August 15, 2017 at EDT am
I had a great grandfather and three great uncles killed fighting Germans.
Their sacrifice was all in vain I’m sad to say.
Captain John Charity Spring MA
August 15, 2017 at EDT am
No enemies to the right. It’s that simple.
stuartsullivaniii
August 15, 2017 at EDT pm
“How can we mount a legitimate defense…?” That’s your whole problem right there. As long as you’re playing defense, you’re destined to lose. It doesn’t matter how good a defense you mount, they’ll just keep moving the goalposts and changing the rules. The only answer is offense, offense, offense. Time to start making our own rules. And as far as the reasonable people like Spencer and Damore, these good-cops would be totally ignored and unknown without the bad-cops like Breivik and Timothy McVeigh. This is just the way the world works and always has. You win by making people fear you, not by getting them to love you or convincing them of the reasonableness of your position. What appears to be reasoning people over to your side is usually nothing more than providing them with face-saving rationalizations to cover their fear.
expatriot
August 15, 2017 at EDT pm
Tommy Robinson had to expel them from the EDL, for similar reasons. They need to go. But only for the purity of the movement, not to appease the left, who would do well (but won’t ever) to expel the extremists from their movement.
Besides, the left can’t be appeased, no matter what. They will always hate you.
El Krapitan
August 16, 2017 at EDT pm
I’ve said it before but the Alt Right was always an umbrella term for all anti establishment factions of the right: neo Nazis, neo Confederates, paleocons, Alex Jones conspiracy wackos and the “alt lite”. The groups may not want to be grouped together, but they are and will continue to be.
I don’t know if most of the participants at the march were Nazis or not, but they certainly created that impression with their idiotic torch light thing. In any case, protesting the removal of Confederate Statues is the wrong war because the Southern cities are now all dark blue: the voters in those cities want the statues removed.
There were plenty of Nazis at the 2nd Battle of Berkeley too, but unlike Charlottesville, they didn’t dominate the event for whatever reason. David Duke wasn’t there and I’m not sure if Richard Spencer showed up or not.
The reaction by the non Nazis in the alt right on Twitter has been exactly what we would hope to see: putting the blame on Antifa and refusing to join the lynch mob against the driver will simultaneously acknowledging that the Nazis can’t be allowed to dominate the movement.
Otis the Sweaty
August 14, 2017 at EDT pm
“alt right” used to be an umbrella term. But anti-Semitic identitarians wanted to be in control of messaging (see Richard Spencer’s Charlottesville statement, https://altright.com/2017/08/11/what-it-means-to-be-alt-right/ ) and the media likes having them as the bad guys. A match made in heaven! Together, they have successfully monopolised the term to refer to anti-Semitic white identitarianism.
Part of the reason Nazis and Greater Naziosphere types didn’t dominate Berkeley is that alt-lite types were willing to participate in that. All the key alt-lite guys were invited to Unite the Right, but they demurred. Not saying I blame them. I don’t want to stand there next to swastika flag wavers (unless they are friendly Buddhist swastikas natch), either. But not coming to Charlottesville meant they ceded more of the stage to KKK and neo-nazis.
Greg Pandatshang
August 14, 2017 at EDT pm
Trump hasn’t denounced them so he should be Kosher to any Jewish person who leans on the right side of the fence.
JS
August 14, 2017 at EDT pm
I never saw what was wrong with just Conservative.
JW Bell
August 14, 2017 at EDT pm
Because establishment Republicans have hijacked that term. They all call themselves conservative even if they are anything but.
Jay Fink
August 14, 2017 at EDT pm
The nadir of this is Jeff Flake, amnesty shill, titling his new book “The Conscience of a Conservative.”
Richard
August 14, 2017 at EDT pm
Didn’t you try to relabel the alt right as the New Right a few months ago, or am I not remembering correctly?
Mike Street Station
August 14, 2017 at EDT pm
always thought roosh was the one who coined new right
gm
August 15, 2017 at EDT pm
Video of the car being hit with baseball bats during the attack:
Photo of the car being hit with baseball bats before the attack:
Libs?
nationalistperspective
August 14, 2017 at EDT pm
IANAL, but this seems to me to be evidence that this was not premeditated murder but rather a rage/fear overreaction to his car being attacked. My guess is that the state offers him something like a plea to manslaughter charges and a 3 year prison term, which he’ll take rather than face a jury of cat ladies and SJWs eager to put him in jail for life.
PoorGradStudent
August 14, 2017 at EDT pm
They’re not going to offer a plea to him, a “terrorist.” They will have a trial and go for the highest possible jail time.
Lion of the Blogosphere
August 14, 2017 at EDT pm
He might win at trial. The bad guys are smart most of the time. They’ll evaluate their case and make plea deal if they think they might lose. If he pleads guilty to any serious crime, it still works as propaganda for them, but if he’s found not guilty in a court of law, that’s narrative collapse. They have the death penalty to threaten him with to ensure compliance. That, and whatever the worst prison conditions you can imagine are.
Greg Pandatshang
August 14, 2017 at EDT pm
He might win at trial. The bad guys are smart most of the time. They’ll evaluate their case and make plea deal if they think they’re running any serious chance of a loss. If he pleads guilty to any serious crime, it still works as propaganda for them, but if he’s found not guilty in a court of law, that’s narrative collapse. They have the death penalty to threaten him with to ensure compliance. That, and whatever the worst prison conditions you can imagine are.
Greg Pandatshang
August 15, 2017 at EDT am
Zimmerman was found not guilty, the narrative didn’t collapse. But this guy is guilty.
Lion of the Blogosphere
August 15, 2017 at EDT am
Take the trial. Put him in front of a jury of 11 cat lady SJWs and one real American, and he walks.
Phelps
August 15, 2017 at EDT pm
“They’re not going to offer a plea to him, a “terrorist.” They will have a trial and go for the highest possible jail time.” As a prosecutor who has handled his fair share of cases that have attracted public interest, all I can tell you is don’t be too sure. Yes, it would be politically tough to bight the bullet and offer a plea deal to vol man with a relatively short sentence. However, it is a pill that D.A.s swallow all the time. I can think of several D.A.s who were not reelected because the public thought of them as the guy who f’d up the [fill in the blank] case. Keep in mind he has been charged with second-degree murder, i.e., murder without premeditation. If they were buying into the domestic terrorist stuff, they would have charged first degree.
If you’re the D.A., and your lead attorney on the case comes to you and says, “boss, I don’t think we’ll be able to get a jury to give us anything higher than voluntary manslaughter, and there’s a decent chance they buy his self-defense claim or, more likely, they get one or more jurors to hang this jury,” you take the plea on the lesser and explain it to the public in a carefully choreographed press conference after making sure the victims’ family is onboard. Victims’ families are never happy with plea bargains, but you’d be surprised how reasonable they can be when you explain the risks of trial to them. Keep in mind that the defense will have a right to all of the videos, will identify every person hitting or throwing things at the car, and put them on the stand. It is unlikely they will make good witnesses. The defense will present evidence of all the violence perpetrated by Antifas on protestors leading up to that point as it is relevant to the defendant’s state of mind at the time. Any defense attorney worth a damn will have a field day putting the Virginia State Police on trial for forcing protestors into Antifa mobs. Further, at trial, they’ll be expecting the second coming of Hitler, and this guy will look liked a scared meek kid. This could end up being a much harder case than it first appears. The cases are legion in which what first appears to be a fairly sure bet falls apart at trial for one reason or another.
Dude
August 15, 2017 at EDT pm
This ^^^^
Prosecutors are apex predators and act like them. Apex predators never willingly go to a fair fight. Apex predators are always picking prey they know they can take down (unless they are truly desperate with starvation) because the risk of injury is too great to an apex predator. There is always another antelope coming along, and there are always more criminals for a DA to prosecute. No reason to risk a career ender when there’s always more prey and the public is easily distracted.
If there is any chance that a DA thinks he can lose, he won’t bring the case unless someone above his head forces him to.
Phelps
August 16, 2017 at EDT am
It’s not clear to me if there were actual swastikas. I’ve seen a few pictures, but as a serious hobby photographer, I can tell that they were photoshopped, including the one with “officer Nash”.
Zack
August 14, 2017 at EDT pm
There were some swastikas, but there were also other related Nazi and fascist symbols like the black sun wheel thing, the fasces symbol, the letters “n.s.m” which stand for “national socialist movement”, etc.
Tom
August 14, 2017 at EDT pm
Too many syllables to work. New words that catch on, and that describe new movements or concepts, tend to be short: “alt right,” “emoji,” “tweet,” “to friend,” “neo-con,” “anti-fa,” etc.
Jeremy Cooper
August 14, 2017 at EDT pm
Black CEO of Merk resigned for Trump’s refusal to denounce “white supremacists”. This was Trump’s reply:
Trump just gets it. Always attack, never apologize, never give one god damn inch on anything.
PerezHBD
August 14, 2017 at EDT pm
Trump Condemns White Supremacy:
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/08/trump-statement-evil/536811/
“We must love each other, show affection for each other, and unite together in condemnation of hatred, bigotry, and violence,” Trump said in Washington. “We must rediscover the bonds of love and loyalty that bring us together as Americans. Racism is evil. Those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans. We are a nation founded on the truth that all of us are created equal. We are equal in the eyes of our creator. We are equal under the law. We are equal under our Constitution. Those who spread violence in the name of bigotry, strike at the very core of America.”
Average Man
August 14, 2017 at EDT pm
Complete silence about the role that the revolutionary left played in this debacle. Or the fact that the media hasn’t said anything remotely critical about antifa or BLM. Trump completely whiffed on this one.
Lewis Medlock
August 14, 2017 at EDT pm
“Complete silence about the role that the revolutionary left played in this debacle. Or the fact that the media hasn’t said anything remotely critical about antifa or BLM. ”
I watched the Sunday shows and didn’t hear antifa mentioned once.
Mike Street Station
August 14, 2017 at EDT pm
If one thinks “[r]acism is evil” then the anti-racists are the “good” guys.
Trump is no white (S)upremacist and so his scope of “leadership” is incredibly limited.
He’s “default elite” through and through.
thordaddy
August 15, 2017 at EDT pm
Thordaddy – I was thinking about how the pursuit of radical autonomy has basically ruined America. This thing that took place on Saturday — a culmination of different radical autonomies, leading to the self annihilation of many groups.
JS
August 16, 2017 at EDT am
That’s a quality observation JS. Worthy of the late Lawrence Auster. G-d rest his soul.
Paul Ryan's Sickly Old Lapdog
August 16, 2017 at EDT pm
By failing to denounce Nazism in America, Trump comes off as pusillanimous at best, and as one of them at worst.
He just lost reelection.
trap-n-skeet
August 14, 2017 at EDT pm
This is the perfect non-cuck response.
map
August 14, 2017 at EDT pm
what?
cuckservatives are crypto-nazis?
“nazi” is like “racist” except much worse.
but sometimes it’s deserved, and sometimes it’s not.
chomsky has said, i paraphrase, “the nazi economic policies worked. before the war, hitler was genuinely the most popular german politician ever.”
ron burgundy
August 14, 2017 at EDT pm
“By failing to denounce Nazism … he just lost re-election.”
The Nazis accused the Bolsheviks of wanting to use race mongrelization to degrade the culture and of pitting minorities against the German people
Acquaintance’s daughter got knocked up by a deadbeat black guy. Do you imagine he thinks the Nazi message sounds kooky or prescient? What about the fellow who lost his construction job when illegals were brought in? More and more people are both immune to the contempt of elites and hold elites in contempt than at any time since McCarthy.
Curle
August 14, 2017 at EDT pm
I was referring to Trump having the perfect non-cuck response.
map
August 15, 2017 at EDT am
You sound like the Leftist media before the election. Both sentiments hit the WaPo tone precisely.
Dan
August 18, 2017 at EDT pm
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_TRUMP_THE_LATEST?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2017-08-14-12-49-59
He just gave more than an inch.
Magnavox
August 14, 2017 at EDT pm
when the ceo is a lawyer the business is crime.
ron burgundy
August 14, 2017 at EDT pm
he also gets that identity politics is a distraction from economic issues. so the ceo of merck can pretend to be a good person, because he’s not a racist, while at the same time his company spends 2x as much selling its drugs as it spends researching them. the same with pichai. he’s worth $600+m and yet he responds to the memo with, “not OK”, like he was a kindergarten teacher. the corporate dems need to be purged.
ron burgundy
August 14, 2017 at EDT pm
…he also gets that identity politics is a distraction from economic issues. so the ceo of merck can pretend to be a good person, because he’s not a racist,
He’s black so he doesn’t need to prove he’s not racist.
Rifleman
August 14, 2017 at EDT pm
Always attack, never apologize,
He has nothing to apologize for because the riot had nothing to do with anything Trump said or did.
The Undiscovered Jew
August 14, 2017 at EDT pm
To you and me but to the media overlords Trump and his supporters inspired these people so he is to blame.
Rifleman
August 14, 2017 at EDT pm
To you and me but to the media overlords Trump and his supporters inspired these people so he is to blame.
So let them blame Trump. It didn’t stop him from winning the Presidency.
I can see an advantage to them clinging to this riot. If they keep demanding he “disavow” them after he’s already condemned them the public will tune out the issue while Trump moves on to other items.
The Undiscovered Jew
August 14, 2017 at EDT pm
Rifleman
To (((them))) Trump is always to blame. No matter what.
You don’t beat them at their game. You force them to play your game.
That is what his dismantling of MSM credibility has been all about. Setting up a new game.
Goys need to do some thinking and less feelz…
Sentient
August 15, 2017 at EDT am
Any right-of-center movement that deals with immigration restrictions will be labeled “racist” by the media. The label doesn’t matter.
Lewis Medlock
August 14, 2017 at EDT pm
The media is a disgrace. The media is calling the assembly in Virginia a White Nationalist march. Is that what the people in the march called it?
ttgy
August 14, 2017 at EDT pm
What most people don’t understand, especially reactionary Whites, is that Americocka doesn’t attractive high IQ civilized people from the Western world. Western Continental Europeans aren’t particularly fond of America, when it comes to establishing long term residency. Even nationalistic Eastern Euros have their reservation of America, simply because it’s too much of a cesspool for them. 3rd world savages are dying to get here, and most of them are non-whites.
I’ve seen more European Nationals in French Speaking Canada in a day that I do in a month in Manhattan, let alone in a place in the South or Midwest. The reasons are obvious, it sort of reminds them of home in the New World, and there aren’t nearly as many non-whites and morons that one finds in America.
Here’s VA’s Gov. McAuliffe telling WNs to leave America, because “it’s a cesspool not to their liking”:
http://nypost.com/2017/08/13/white-supremacists-need-to-leave-america-virginia-governor/
This is the best encouragement I’ve seen so far.
JS
August 15, 2017 at EDT pm
A vast exaggeration. If the U.S. is so disdained, why is English the world’s number-one language? Why does everyone watch American movies?
Lion of the Blogosphere
August 15, 2017 at EDT pm
Because the Anglo Prole Sphere is the most powerful Western entity when it comes to commerce and wealth. This attribute is also comes with problems like multiculturalism.
JS
August 15, 2017 at EDT pm
Many Whites on the right fail to understand why America is a tainted cesspool, where it longer has a White Christian majority.
It’s the free market driven, zero sum economy, set upon by our capitalists where non-whites are generally more obedient, less demanding, and cheaper than the native White populace, when it comes to wages and benefits. Essentially, America has choked on its capitalism, if we’re talking about a nation that also wants to preserve a common culture, people, vision and goal.
Now why aren’t most Continental Europeans flooding our shores as long term residents?
America has a lower quality of life. Most of the long term residents who come to America from other Western Entities are the same Anglo Proles that have arrived a few hundred years ago, including the Scots and Irish.
JS
August 15, 2017 at EDT pm
Because English is from England, English culture sets the class standard in the developed world, and English imperialism accounts for a large portion of the Earth’s landmass being Commonwealth Nations?
Dan
August 19, 2017 at EDT am
Leader Kessler used to work for Occupy. He made sure to invite “everyone”.
Anon
August 14, 2017 at EDT pm
Kessler is just some minor Alt Right figure who happens to be from Charlottesville and filed the physical permit applications. He’s milking the media’s anointment of him as the “Leader” of the rally, but don’t take that too seriously. There were no invitations sent out. Hardly anybody who attended even knew who Kessler was. This was a grass roots rally promoted by Alt Right websites. If anybody could be considered the “leader” of the rally it is Spencer. Baked Alaska (an affable alt-right figure notable for his ability to get along with both the Alt-Right and Alt-Lite) was the second most prominent “leader”. Anglin was probably more responsible for getting the word out and encouraging people to actually show up than anybody else, though Anglin himself remained in “Nigeria” and didn’t personally attend. The idea that Kessler was some kind of secret mastermind of this event and determined who showed up is nonsense. Nobody had any control over who showed up. It was a giant party organized online.
PerezHBD
August 14, 2017 at EDT pm
Again, all these people in Charlottesville could have been OWS folks a few years ago with a similar mission. The same messy rag tag folks, except Obama has divided the country with black on White politics, and the rise of Trump in response to it, and you get a powder keg such as this.
JS
August 15, 2017 at EDT pm
new name for globalist ideology: “antidisestablishmentarianism”.
seb gorka’s remarks should be expanded on. it must be hammered again and again that america’s and the world’s problems have absolutely nothing to do with the deliberately misnamed “far-right”. antifa are merely useful idiots. if the alt-right wins, it’s only because the governing elite has shown itself to be incompetent and/or evil.
ron burgundy
August 14, 2017 at EDT pm
And just to highlight the sophistication of the people behind the Daily Stormer, the very first alternative registrar they signed up with was Google, knowing full well Google would immediately boot them, just so they would get another round of free publicity in the press.
This is where I don’t really understand the media. Surely nobody at Business Insider is stupid enough to genuinely believe Anglin or Weev’s approach to Google, which is the absolute last company on earth a site in their position would go to for domain name registration, was in good faith. Yet they report the obvious trolling as if it were completely straight. When is the MSM going to stop letting trolls manipulate them? I’m beginning to suspect the answer to this question is, “Never”.
PerezHBD
August 14, 2017 at EDT pm
The term “alt-right” now means idiots who hate Jews
I didn’t hear you complaining when it meant idiots who hate Hispanics and other Gentile minorities 🙂
pumpkinperson
August 14, 2017 at EDT pm
I didn’t hear you complaining when it meant idiots who hate Hispanics and other Gentile minorities
Lion didn’t want to offend you 🙂
The Undiscovered Jew
August 14, 2017 at EDT pm
That’s the whole point: humans are tribal. When the other tribes outnumber and out-muscle whites, it’s game over.
Mark Caplan
August 14, 2017 at EDT pm
Jews are not a threat to civilization
Thomas
August 14, 2017 at EDT pm
Some of the opponents of Cultural Marxism and the largely or exclusively Jewish “Frankfurt School” do think Jews are a continuing threat to Western civilization.
Mark Caplan
August 14, 2017 at EDT pm
Some of the opponents of Cultural Marxism and the largely or exclusively Jewish “Frankfurt School” do think Jews are a continuing threat to Western civilization.
The Frankfurt School boogeyman had little to do with so called “Cultural Marxism” :
http://stunlaw.blogspot.com/2013/07/foucault-and-frankfurt-school.html
Now, the striking thing is that France knew absolutely nothing – or only vaguely, only very indirectly – about the current of Weberian thought. Critical Theory was hardly known in France and the Frankfurt School was practically unheard of. This, by the way, raises a minor historical problem which fascinates me and which I have not been able to resolve at all. It is common knowledge that many representatives of the Frankfurt School came to Paris in 1935, seeking refuge, and left very hastily, sickened presumably – some even said as much – but saddened anyhow not to have found more of an echo. Then came 1940, but they had already left for England and the U.S., where they were actually much better received. The understanding that might have been established between the Frankfurt School and French philosophical thought – by way of the history of science and therefore the question of the history of rationality – never occurred. And when I was a student, I can assure you that I never once heard the name ofthe Frankfurt School mentioned by any of my professors.
FOUCAULT: Now, obviously, if I had been familiar with the Frankfurt School, if I had been aware of it at the time, I would not have said a number of stupid things that I did say and I would have avoided many of the detours which I made while trying to pursue my own humble path – when, meanwhile, avenues had been opened up by the Frankfurt School. It is a strange case of non-penetration between two very similar types of thinking which is explained, perhaps, by that very similarity. Nothing hides the fact of a problem in common better than two similar ways of approaching it.
The Undiscovered Jew
August 14, 2017 at EDT pm
Sadly, much of what they support is…
Vincent
August 14, 2017 at EDT pm
The idea that secular Judaism is not in desperate need of a cleansing should not be glossed over in our zeal to condemn anti-Semitism. What percentage of the truly reprehensible anti-white screeds printed in the Mainstream Media are written by Secular Jews? What percentage of the Feminist? What percentage of the pro-tranny kookery? It is a huge optics problem and one can fight anti-semitism while simultaneously working to reform the very real problems within the secular Jewish community.
Steven Miller is the best thing that has happened to Jews in generations. We need to be promoting nationalism, patriotism, and traditionalism within the Jewish community.
PerezHBD
August 14, 2017 at EDT pm
The idea that secular Judaism is not in desperate need of a cleansing should not be glossed over
Either we discuss the Liberalism of ALL white ethnic groups, or we discuss no white ethnic group.
Since I never get a coherent response – and, usually no response – when I point out the larger role of white gentile Liberals (such as the fact Scandinavians pioneered “gender neutrality”, it was WASPs who invented blank slatism, the French invented both Communism and Progressivism etc. etc.) I’m going to assume nobody here wants to discuss non-Ashkenazi white Liberalism*.
In which case, I refer you to the advice of another famous Jew who remarked on hypocrisy – Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye;
* http://archive.org/stream/UptonSinclairOnTheSovietUnion/Upton-on-sovietUnion_djvu.txt
It is also true that I have been studying the problem of Russia as earnestly as I know how for twenty years. There have been few days during that period that I have not sought some new facts and pondered them. I have had many a heartache over the things which have happened in Russia— so different from what I hoped for. I watched Gorky all through this period, and I know how he suffered and how more than once he wavered. But in the end he made up his mind that the Soviet regime was the best hope for the workers of Russia, and that is my conclusion today.
The Undiscovered Jew
August 14, 2017 at EDT pm
as lion has noted the haredi love trump.
but what is “secular Judaism”?
the reform and the conservative branches of judaism, both of which are almost 100% american, do remind me of…
All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.
they’re not really religions so much as ethnic cults like shinto-ism.
ron burgundy
August 14, 2017 at EDT pm
In other words, I want to create a world where when people hear the word “Jew”, I want the first thing that comes to their minds is these stand up guys:
PerezHBD
August 14, 2017 at EDT pm
New York Magazine reported the names of the maternal grandparents of James Fields, the Nazi car driver who ran over a crowd of people in Charlottesville. The grandparents were named Marvin and Judy Bloom. Were they Jewish? Marvin murdered Judy with a shotgun, then killed himself. Field’s mother’s name is Samantha Bloom. “Samantha” is the feminine form of Samuel. The surname “Fields” is also often Jewish.
One of James Fields’ high school teachers said James had been taking anti-psychotic drugs for schizophrenia.
Mark Caplan
August 14, 2017 at EDT pm
In other words, I want to create a world where when people hear the word “Jew”, I want the first thing that comes to their minds is these stand up guys:
Like all of your hopes it will amount to you circle-jerking.
But if that’s your (doomed) intention you should have no objection (if you weren’t a liar and a hypocrite) to a world where when people hear the word “Frenchman” the first thing that comes to mind is “Stalinism” –
https://pragmaticallydistributed.wordpress.com/2017/02/07/how-comte-overthrew-marx-part-ii/
As described by Hamilton, from the beginning the French Revolutionaries, like the Russian Revolutionaries a century later, sought the violent elimination of Christianity.
Equal pains have been taken to deprave the morals as to extinguish the religion of the country, if indeed morality in a community can be separated from religion. It is among the singular and fantastic vagaries of the French revolution, that while the Duke of Brunswick was marching to Paris, a new law of divorce was passed; which makes it as easy for a husband to get rid of his wife, and a wife of her husband, as to discard a worn out habit. To complete the dissolution of those ties, which are the chief links of domestic and ultimately of social attachment, the Journals of the Convention record with guilty applause accusations preferred by children against the lives of their parents.
It is not necessary to heighten the picture by sketching the horrid groupe of proscriptions and murders which have made of France a den of pillage and slaughter; blackening with eternal opprobrium the very name of man.
The pious and the moral weep over these scenes as a sepulchre destined to entomb all they revere and esteem. The politician, who loves liberty, sees them with regret as a gulph that may swallow up the liberty to which he is devoted. He knows that morality overthrown (and morality must fall with religion) the terrors of despotism can alone curb the impetuous passions of man, and confine him within the bounds of social duty.
Robespierre mused that at least 10 million French citizens out of a French population of 25 million would have to be executed to bring about his Utopia (Gentz)- we now know from the examples of Stalin and Mao that 10 million is just the opening bid.
In the year 1793 the thirst for destruction had gone so far, that it was at a loss for an object. The well known saying, that Robespierre meant to reduce the population of France by one half, had its foundation in the lively sense of the impossibility of satisfying the hitherto insatiate revolution, with any thing less, than such a hecatomb.
When there was nothing more left in the country to attack, the offensive frenzy turned itself against the neighbouring states, and finally declared war in solemn decrees against all civil society. It was certainly not the want of will in those, who then conducted this war, if Europe preserved any thing, besides “bread and iron.” Fortunately, no strength was great enough long to support such a will. The unavoidable exhaustion of the assailants, and not the power or the merit of the resistance made, saved society; and, finally, brought the work shops themselves, where the weapons for its destruction were forged, within its beneficent bonds again.
The Undiscovered Jew
August 14, 2017 at EDT pm
alfred rosenberg was hanged at nuremberg. and his prosecutor wasn’t roy cohn. norman jewison, director of Fiddler on the Roof, not jewish. etc. etc.
ron burgundy
August 15, 2017 at EDT am
until the alt-right drops “marxist” as a term of abuse they’re morons. they’ve been conditioned by decades of cold war and post 1991 capitalist propaganda.
1. if they’d actually read marx they’d agree with him.
2. marx was himself anti-semitic.
3. marx had a gentile benefactor and partner in thought, engels.
4. the horrors of 20th c communism have nothing to do with marx’s thought.
ron burgundy
August 15, 2017 at EDT am
tuj — Can you take constructive criticism? If you have something to say then just say it and spare us the purple prose. To quote Sweet Brown, “Ain’t nobody got time for that.”
destructure
August 15, 2017 at EDT am
until the alt-right drops “marxist” as a term of abuse they’re morons.
Progressives can’t be Marxists of any kind if they want to obliterate the proletariat with immigration and outsourcing.
If Marx and Engels were alive in Germany they would be throwing Molotov cocktails at Syrian refugee centers.
The Undiscovered Jew
August 15, 2017 at EDT am
tuj — Can you take constructive criticism?
I’m just asking you as a white gentile to accept your racial responsibility for gentiles creating* Cultural Marxism – why can’t you take constructive criticism (or stay on topic)?
🙂
http://stunlaw.blogspot.com/2013/07/foucault-and-frankfurt-school.html
Now, the striking thing is that France knew absolutely nothing – or only vaguely, only very indirectly – about the current of Weberian thought. Critical Theory was hardly known in France and the Frankfurt School was practically unheard of. This, by the way, raises a minor historical problem which fascinates me and which I have not been able to resolve at all. It is common knowledge that many representatives of the Frankfurt School came to Paris in 1935, seeking refuge, and left very hastily, sickened presumably – some even said as much – but saddened anyhow not to have found more of an echo. Then came 1940, but they had already left for England and the U.S., where they were actually much better received. The understanding that might have been established between the Frankfurt School and French philosophical thought – by way of the history of science and therefore the question of the history of rationality – never occurred. And when I was a student, I can assure you that I never once heard the name ofthe Frankfurt School mentioned by any of my professors.
FOUCAULT: Now, obviously, if I had been familiar with the Frankfurt School, if I had been aware of it at the time, I would not have said a number of stupid things that I did say and I would have avoided many of the detours which I made while trying to pursue my own humble path – when, meanwhile, avenues had been opened up by the Frankfurt School. It is a strange case of non-penetration between two very similar types of thinking which is explained, perhaps, by that very similarity. Nothing hides the fact of a problem in common better than two similar ways of approaching it.
The Undiscovered Jew
August 15, 2017 at EDT pm
I agree but this happened in January thanks to both Spencer and the MSM wanting to attack Trump and Bannon with the Nazi definition.
Pop
August 14, 2017 at EDT pm
it doesnt matter if the people who read this blog dismiss and try to distance themselves from what they call the “real” alt-right, in the eyes and minds of the normies out there we are all still alt-right anyway.
james n.s.w
August 14, 2017 at EDT pm
lion and the jew haters agree on everything except on who’s to blame. milo claims to be jewish but isn’t. breitbart was a gentile adopted by jews. where’s the jewish alt-right intellectual? we need one. the jews need one.
ron burgundy
August 14, 2017 at EDT pm
Michael Hart
pumpkinperson
August 14, 2017 at EDT pm
You mean Mickey Hart? An aged hippie drummer is going to save the day. (Just kidding).
Daniel
August 14, 2017 at EDT pm
Hart is a proponent of HBD but I don’t think he would consider himself to be alt-right.
Paul Gottfried, a Jew, actually coined the term “alternative right.”
Lewis Medlock
August 14, 2017 at EDT pm
Hart believes the U.S. should be segregated into 3 countries: white America, black America & multi-racial America
pumpkinperson
August 14, 2017 at EDT pm
I thought Milo’s mother is Jewish. Was that a fabrication?
Stealth
August 14, 2017 at EDT pm
wikipedia says…
A practising Roman Catholic, Yiannopoulos states he has Jewish ancestry on his maternal grandmother’s side.
so was his maternal grandmother jewish or just part jewish?
of the four grandparents everyone has, it’s very convenient to have one’s mother’s mother a jew as rabbinic law makes one, ipso facto, a jew.
milo’s jewishness is just as fake as christopher hitchens’s.
why do these people feel the need to pretend to be jews?
ron burgundy
August 14, 2017 at EDT pm
“Why do these people feel the need to pretend to be Jews?”
Maybe they believe themselves too clever to be garden variety Gentiles.
Curle
August 14, 2017 at EDT pm
I think someone really needs to start the alt-left. I personally would abandon the alt-right to join them to get away from these moronic libertarian types who constantly want less business regulation, lower taxes for the rich etc.
I really could see the alt-left as a different approach and having a different goal.
My reason for being a believer in HBD and wanting closed borders is because I want good business regulation, good tax policy that favors middle and lower class, a government that can stand up and give environmental protection, universal healthcare. But the main problem is that when you introduce people of a different race to a society, the different races instinctively do not like each other. This allows for an upper class to hi-jack one of the political parties, basically packaging false-racism with policy that is bad for workers. The identity of the Republican party for years was the low key, anti-minority party. But they didn’t actually do ANYTHING, about immigration. This is because immigration benefited the rich so much. Most of the mainstream right, was all talk on immigration, and now that Trump is actually doing some things about stopping immigration, they are getting pretty worked up.
I always was a left-winger strictly for the environmental and economic policies, I found my way to places like this because I always knew HBD was real and it was interfering with getting the policies I wanted implemented into the USA. I think their must be others out there like me, and I think I would have been attracted to the alt-right sooner if their economic policies lined up with mine (although I do know many on the alt-right don’t believe the libertarian economic garbage, but some still do).
Yup
August 14, 2017 at EDT pm
“I think someone really needs to start the alt-left.”
I thought the antifas and BLM are the alt-left.
Lion of the Blogosphere
August 14, 2017 at EDT pm
They are the ctrl-left.
http://www.unz.com/isteve/the-alt-right-vs-the-ctrl-left/
MEH 0910
August 14, 2017 at EDT pm
To me they just seem like extreme versions of democrats, I don’t think they are straying from the path too much or going against any interests of the democratic party elite (all they really do is throw poo-poo at “racists”).
The alt-right supports closing borders, which effects and hurts many of the wealthiest republicans.
Yup
August 15, 2017 at EDT am
So you basically want national-socialism, and that’s how MSM will refer to your alt-left, make no mistake about it. A progressive society with eugenic characteristics is actually a very good system, when it doesn’t involve irrational Jew-bashing and mindless wars. Sad that it was killed in the egg by Hitler.
Thomas
August 14, 2017 at EDT pm
Open borders, multiculturalism, and political correctness were all implemented because of Hitler.
Lewis Medlock
August 14, 2017 at EDT pm
If you believe in HBD and you’re against open borders, you will not be accepted anywhere on the left.
My guess is that an alt-left movement that factors in those two positions would not appeal to very many people.
Lewis Medlock
August 14, 2017 at EDT pm
It is strange though, because many of my friends/family are democrats who are also somewhat “racist”. Thought there would be more people like myself out there, haven’t found many.
Yup
August 15, 2017 at EDT am
Believing in HBD isn’t really necessary to get to where you are. Just acknowledging that there are persistent gaps between groups and having the humility to accept that we don’t collectively have the ability to understand or reliably change them.
But I largely agree with you. And I hate libertarians too. They always say they’re economically conservative and socially liberal, I often say i’m economically liberal and socially conservative.
Magnavox
August 14, 2017 at EDT pm
when these people in charlottesville are dismissed with name calling by the elite media this demonstrates how social intelligence is selected against after a certain threshold in the US. the american elite are socially “not that bright”. herd formation and quorum sensing are behaviors of the not too bright socially.
the kkk and neo-nazis are morons obviously, but…
when these morons hear, “sexist, racist, homophobe, bigot” what do they think?
lion has made many points with which these morons would agree and he would be dismissed with the same name calling kindergarten shtick.
ron burgundy
August 14, 2017 at EDT pm
i should say that the US would NOT become brazil (irrespective of changes in its racial composition) if there were only high IQ immigrants and lower IQ “indigenous” ethnic groups weren’t more fertile.
that is, more blacks and mestizos and east asian immigrants doesn’t make brazil if those immigrants all have high IQs. and with the exception of mexico and central america and the “indigenous” black and mestizo population, changes in US racial make up will tend to INCREASE the national IQ. smart indians, chinese, and yes even smart nigerians.
but, even if all immigrants were high IQ this wouldn’t address one very important issue…
those whose american ancestry is deeper should be preferred in hiring, lending, admissions, promotions, etc.
but i say that as one whose most recent immigrant ancestor arrived in the late 19th c from liverpool, one who has roots in the 17th c on both sides.
but such a genuinely warranted affirmative action policy would help native americans above all and african americans second.
ron burgundy
August 14, 2017 at EDT pm
I’ve read a lot of Charlottesville threads on Reddit lately and must admit they led me to a thorough soul-searching as a Catholic.
There is so much opposition to alt-right ideas (i.e HBD ideas) that it’s not even funny. And it comes from smart people, who display rational faculties in other matters.
So, what’s the deal? Are we really evil pricks? Is it really evil to admit the possibility of inequalities in the distribution of genetic traits?
Thomas
August 14, 2017 at EDT pm
>>Is it really evil to admit the possibility of inequalities in the distribution of genetic traits?
Only if truth be evil.
Daniel
August 14, 2017 at EDT pm
Truth isn’t necessarily always good. There are instances where lying leads to better consequences than telling the truth. A faithless man would say that this applies to religion.
Thomas
August 14, 2017 at EDT pm
Who is ‘we’?
Truth isn’t evil. Suppressing truth because it’s inconvenient to your ideology is evil.
Panther of the Blogocube
August 14, 2017 at EDT pm
So, what’s the deal? Are we really evil pricks? Is it really evil to admit the possibility of inequalities in the distribution of genetic traits?
By acknowledging hereditary inequality, we’re violating a social taboo meant to keep the peace in a diverse and unequal society. It’s like saying God isn’t real in a society that accepts the divine right of kingship.
Remember the Declaration? “All men are created equal … from that equal creation they derive rights inherent & inalienable, among which are the preservation of life, & liberty, & the pursuit of happiness.” If people are unequal to the bones, then we will never have a society where everybody truly has an equal opportunity to pursue happiness. That they don’t and never did is an obvious social observation to me, but Jefferson wrote it and we have to live in the consequences of his idealism, even if he didn’t really believe it either.
Richard
August 14, 2017 at EDT pm
Yes, that’s the nub of it really. Excellent comment.
Andrew E.
August 14, 2017 at EDT pm
“Why do these people feel the need to pretend to be Jews?”
Maybe they believe themselves too clever to be garden variety Gentiles.
Curle
August 14, 2017 at EDT pm
Jefferson’s ‘All men …’ phrase was a rejection of the then still current notion that King’s were divine with a divine right to rule. It was in no way and endorsement of material equality. In fact, Jefferson denounced the idea of treating differently capable people as equals.
Curle
August 14, 2017 at EDT pm
Jefferson wrote something he didn’t really believe because he was trying to coax regular Americans into supporting his quest to replace an old elite with a new one (where he’d be at the top).
Richard
August 14, 2017 at EDT pm
And this lie for the sake of “peace” is maintained by the kulakization of White People.
The bargain is not worth it.
map
August 15, 2017 at EDT am
Your hypothesis is completely correct but I don’t believe the US Constitution had anything to do with it. I think it is rather due to the very recent transition from religious morals to secular morals.
Because the concept of God could no longer “enforce” innate human dignity, and it threatened social peace, some clever idiots thought it better to flatly deny that humans could even be unequal.
Of course our shared hypothesis does not explain why everyone went with such a self-evident and ridiculous lie.
Thomas
August 15, 2017 at EDT am
It doesn’t matter the genetic architecture of intelligence is being discovered today. Newborns and embryos are already screened for defects, it’s only a matter of time before intelligence is included. Maybe not in the US but China has no such qualms.
JW Bell
August 14, 2017 at EDT pm
Too optimistic. # of base pairs involved in the brain probably in the billions.
And when the usual DNA markers of intelligence are found less in certain races, egalitarians will always weasel their way out of admitting the obvious. You’ll see.
We’re dealing with a moral and emotional issue, not a scientific one. Redditors are not interested at all in the science of HBD, they don’t even want to hear about it. It is emotional.
Because of this, I think the best chances for HBD recognition would come from artificial intelligence. AI being the ultimate rational agent, it will probably have the correct opinion on HBD.
Thomas
August 15, 2017 at EDT am
If the Second Coming was tomorrow, Jesus, as God, if asked, would affirm that race realism is true.
MEH 0910
August 14, 2017 at EDT pm
I sure hope so. Otherwise God would be just another irrational sentimentalist.
There is no contradiction between respecting human souls and observing that they inhabit bodies of differing qualities.
Thomas
August 15, 2017 at EDT am
HBD isn’t acknowledging the possibility of innate differences it’s saying that they’re certainly there and a primary driver of differences in outcome, at least in american society. I would say HBD is bigotry in that it posits that some groups are innately inferior to others without solid reason. But a lot of elements on the left, such as feminism, also fit this description.
I think you intuitively understand that acknowledging the possibility of differences is a lot more defensible than the reality of what HBD is, which is why your comment pivots at the end like that.
Magnavox
August 14, 2017 at EDT pm
A thorough soul-searching is a good thing. I’m religious, too, which means I don’t have the option of just comfortably living by worldly values. So we have to figure out what that means in practice in our lives.
However, personally, I’m through taking advice on morality from the people on my Facebook stream whinging about Charlottesville. That’s over. These people can’t even get their facts straight.
In addition to a thorough soul-searching, I think we also need a somewhat less thorough soul-searching about what works tactically and what doesn’t. I have to admit that I’ve become desensitised to the Nazi imagery that pops up on alt-right websites regularly. It’s a steady background hum that comes either from people who are joking or are hopeless social misfits; in either case, they aren’t really worth worrying about. Now, after Charlottesville, everyone I know is like “omg Nazis! Kill them or run away!!” Ditto for the KKK. So, now I’m clearer in my mind that I don’t want to be associated with people who are into that imagery. It’s like when John Lennon said “If you go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao, you ain’t gonna make it with anyone anyhow.” He didn’t get into a debate about the merits of Maoism vs. Trotskyism vs. the Port Huron statement etc. He just pithily pointed out that this isn’t working.
So now we need to say “If you go carrying pictures of Chairman Hitler …” But I doubt that the alt-right as a brand is going to be capable of that. The brand is basically controlled by Richard Spencer and Mike Enoch at this point. They’ve already baked the cake, and one of the ingredients is that Nazi imagery is not necessarily encouraged but isn’t shunned, either.
Greg Pandatshang
August 15, 2017 at EDT pm
In times like this, I’m almost inclined to believe that the whole thing really was, to use an overused expression, a false flag.. Almost. It was just too perfect. This one demonstration destroyed all of the progress that’s been made in convincing the American people that the left is violent, disruptive and wrong. All that has been swept away by guys who thought it would be super cool to march down the street in Charlottesville wearing fucked-up racist Halloween costumes.
It seems that publicly making a fool of yourself and saying/doing ill-advised things in public is all that really matters to the militia/Nazi/(insert some other stupid faction) crowd. When Starbucks said they wouldn’t kick people out for carrying guns into their coffee shops, how did the open carry crowd thank them? By walking into said shops with rifles slung over their shoulders.
Instead of just going their own way and establishing their own movements, these assholes invariably migrate to other movements and groups, spoiling everything. Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t the Men’s Rights movement originally about men being treated unfairly by family courts? At some point, incels and “game” bros took over the scene.
The adults of the anti-establishment right need to start turning them away.
Stealth
August 14, 2017 at EDT pm
It was always a game of chicken to see which side would commit the first murder at these rallies, antifa or WN. It was clearly coming. To be honest I thought Antifa would hit that point first, since they had been more brazenly on the edge, but it takes just one person and unfortunately it was the right that coughed him up.
I don’t think the alt-right is worse or more offensively disruptive than the alt-left, but since the MSM is against them they don’t need to be to do more damage to any cause that can be associated with them.
Richard
August 14, 2017 at EDT pm
I always thought it would be the alt-right, for a few reasons. The first is that the left is a lot more disciplined. They don’t want a PR disaster like that on their hands. A leftist who uses lethal force is more likely to be a lone nut on a solo mission. Also, leftists almost always outnumber right-wingers at events like this, so a rightie is more likely to be surrounded and feel the need to use a deadly weapon to protect himself.
Stealth
August 14, 2017 at EDT pm
Just last year, a BLM activist in Dallas, Micah Johnson, shot 14 police officers, killing five. He said he hated white people, especially cops. Funny how that’s disappeared down the old memory hole, as Steve Sailer would say.
Black Death
August 14, 2017 at EDT pm
If Scalise had been shot by a right winger, the media would still be talking about the “alt right” and “domestic terrorism.” But since the shooter was a leftist, the story disappeared after a day or two.
Lewis Medlock
August 14, 2017 at EDT pm
With the eager help of Republican office-holders, who couldn’t scramble faster to let Democrats off the hook. Dems never show such mercy when the situation is reversed.
Richard
August 14, 2017 at EDT pm
Rush talked about that today.
It’s worth remembering what Obama did. He condemned the mass shooting itself, but he also articulated the BLM grievance about police brutality — at the cops’ memorial!
Imagine if Trump did that at the funeral for Heather Heyer, condemning the violence that lead to her death while also addressing fears of demographic replacement — and cheerleading about it on the left — that might be contributing to radicalization?
The only person I saw bring this up on Twitter in the aftermath of Charlottesville was Varad Mehta:
Dave Pinsen
August 15, 2017 at EDT pm
I’m in the same position you’re in. The thing is, I don’t think these normal people have any clue about what they’re really dealing with here. The vicious Twitter memes and over-the-top scenes in the news are only the tip of the iceberg. Beneath the surface is a massive body of analysis and arguments that’s been gestating for more than a decade online. I can’t begin to count how much time I’ve spent reading anonymous dissident blogs over the past few years, or listening to related podcasts or YouTube interviews.
The responses I’m seeing from most religious leaders and intellectuals, as well as in my Facebook feed, falls into the “not even wrong” category. These people are just virtue signalling. They don’t come close to addressing the racialist right’s arguments, and probably have never encountered them. (That’s why the comment section “raids” over the past several years have been so hilarious. Normies were coming face to face with full-on HBD arguments with no advance warning, and were totally incapable of rebutting them. They were left spluttering or hurling obscenities.)
There are some Catholic paleocon types who’ve had extensive contact with the dissident right, and definitely are savvy about HBD and the alt-right arguments. John Zmirak and Michael Brendan Dougherty come to mind, and I think Ross Douthat is fully clued in as well. But they just don’t offer real counter-arguments, and I sense that they don’t have any. All they can offer is knowing, cryptic Twitter comments, or else just spazz-outs (Dougherty).
Even though the alt right is small and under extreme pressure, I think it will grow dramatically, because no one seems to have any compelling response to it.
Anon1
August 14, 2017 at EDT pm
What was it, 2 months ago that the KKK rallied in the same park in Charlottesville? 40 or so KKK members
beancrusher
August 14, 2017 at EDT pm
Stupid send button…
Anyway, 40 KKK members, waving similar flags attracted 1500 counter protesters who wouldn’t disperse after the KKK had long left, became somewhat violent leading to arrests of the left leaning counter protesters. Not much reporting on the aftermath then as it didn’t fit the narrative. But this time 3 fatalities, 1 of which was caused by someone sympathetic to the organizers. Do you think we would still be talking about this if an Ohio antifa had been at the wheel of the car?
It was fortunate that events unfolded to fit the narrative.
beancrusher
August 14, 2017 at EDT pm
Any who praises Stalin or Che Guevara is anti-establishment.
Opposing the Euromaidan makes on anti-establishment.
Black_Rose
August 14, 2017 at EDT pm
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technically competent person as ceo of a technical company is rare in the US and rare-est in the US.
so a black jd rules over phds in organic chemistry and biochemstry.
typical.
the US is such utter shit.
ron burgundy
August 14, 2017 at EDT pm
Well, Trump appointed him as part of his “manufacturing council”, which I assume is a think group to bring back jobs to Meripolestan. Trump is FullOfSh!t.
JS
August 15, 2017 at EDT am
I believe the right has to hold firm. Changing names every couple of months is pathetic and achieves nothing other than emboldening the progressive, hipster left. It’s also sort of why the Confederate flag or Roman Catholicism are important, they keep alive the idea of a timeless idea and spirit, that never bends to contemporary fashion but stays true to itself.
Roli
August 14, 2017 at EDT pm
John Derbyshire has in the past proposed the name “dissident right”.
http://www.vdare.com/articles/john-derbyshire-who-are-we-the-dissident-right
MEH 0910
August 14, 2017 at EDT pm
Like a lot of people here, I think the Confederate elites were con artists who were the 19th century equivalent of globalist outsourcers, but it surprises me how many commenters on this blog seem to relish 100 year old statues being torn down. Watch this video.
Do these people look like anyone you’d want to see become more emboldened in society? They hate Confederates not for reasons anybody here dislikes them, but because they see them as stand-ins for you, me, Donald Trump and 62 million Republicans. They’re kicking a statue right now, but that’s just a warm-up for what they’d really like to do, which is smashing our teeth and getting our blood pouring onto the street. That isn’t hyperbole.
Richard
August 15, 2017 at EDT am
All else equal, if they were pro-Jews, would you be okay with them?
That “at first the came for ___” dynamic is a point made in this old timey clip about resisting fascism.
Dave Pinsen
August 15, 2017 at EDT am
Cut it out Dave, they couldn’t be pro-Jewish. That’s kind of like saying if the sun revolved around the earth….
But just to play along with your game, no, I wouldn’t be. These people believe the Confederacy was right. They think that slavery was okay. Oddly, I happen to disagree.
gothamette
August 15, 2017 at EDT pm
The confederacy being a legal and rightful state, the Northern invasion being blatantly illegal and slavery being wrong are not mutually exclusive ideas much less realities.
Curle
August 16, 2017 at EDT am
Lol, the Confederacy was so legal and soul awful that it was never recognized as such by any other state.
gothamette
August 16, 2017 at EDT pm
By the way, I’m starting to see a lot of discussion bubbling up on alt-right sites about how they need to get Nazi imagery under control. That’s a positive development. I’m predicting the consensus will be that they need 1) zero Nazi and fascist LARPing; 2) zero KKK LARPing; 3) Confederate flag LARPing in the South only, none of that in the northern states. What’s the point of a northerner waving a Confederate flag anyway? You don’t see Chinese nationalists waving the Tibetan flag.
But the sticky wicket is the chants. Making the LARPers unwelcome is good for style points. But even without them, fact is, a lot of the organisers are anti-Semites. That means they’re always going to want to start chants like “Jews will not replace us!” I don’t know what the simple rule is to prevent that. A rule like “Don’t say things that make us look stupid” is too general for people to stick to it. Furthermore, one of the main alt-right guys now is Mike Enoch, host of the deliberately abrasive podcast “The Daily Shoah”. The alt-right can’t get rid of him at this point without dismantling their whole thing. I don’t usually have tender sensibilities and I’m not really a fan of Enoch’s myself anyway, but occasionally I want to mention some point he brought up, and I have to admit I cringe at saying the words “daily Shoah”. That name is like magic normie spray for keeping normies away so you can just preach to the choir all the time. (People usually just call it that podcast TRS, which is associated web site.)
Greg Pandatshang
August 15, 2017 at EDT am
Any anti-establishment right movement (whatever it’s called) will only have a small number of Jewish supporters. Even if it explicitly condemns anti-Semitism and is strongly pro-Israel. You can chalk this up to what Michael Savage would call “Uncle Moe” syndrome.
Lewis Medlock
August 15, 2017 at EDT am
Disagree. Jews are disproportionately represented in all anti-establishment movement, except those explicitly anti-Semitic or pro some religion that’s not Judaism.
Lion of the Blogosphere
August 15, 2017 at EDT pm
This post is worth a read on the meta-question: Right-wing activism always fails.
Dave Pinsen
August 15, 2017 at EDT pm
This has been the consensus ever since Daily Stormer and Spencer emerged as the most dominant forces of the extreme right of the Alt Right. They’ve advocated a clean aesthetic for years. And this goes just beyond avoid out dated imagery. Daily Stormer has run articles telling readers to wear fitted shits and giving style tip. “Dressing the Man” by Alan Flusser was one of the books piled in that stack behind Richard Spencer at his press conference yesterday.
And events completely under their control (such as the candlelight vigil at the UVA campus) were in fact 100% devoid of any Nazi or Confederate symbols. The minimal presence of confederate and nazi symbols the next day was almost surely a function of drawing a crowd that was much bigger than just the Alt-Right. Alt Right has no control over some hick local Southern group that has been around for decades and hasn’t gotten the memo.
PerezHBD
August 15, 2017 at EDT pm
I don’t know. I listen to a lot of Spencer and Enoch, and I don’t remember hearing them say anything discouraging swastikas and Klan hoods in the lead up to Charlottesville. Maybe that’s happening quietly in back-channels instead. Either way, the proof is in the pudding. Nazi/KKK/white supremist was part of the messaging on Saturday. It doesn’t matter whose fault it is. They need to get control of that. Someone needs to get control of it. They might not be capable. It takes about 2 seconds in the comments section of an alt-right website to realize that swastikas are super popular among their fanbase. Larpers gonna larp.
Greg Pandatshang
August 16, 2017 at EDT pm
P.S. I just listened to the post-Charlottesville episode of Alt-Right Politics podcast. These dopes still don’t get it. Spencer and Ritter closed with an extended joke about the Beer Hall Putsch, with the good guys from Charlottesville in the role of the Nazis. Yes, I get that this was a joke. Guess what, just because something is a joke does not automatically make it funny. Or a smart thing to say. Jesus f’ing Christ.
Greg Pandatshang
August 16, 2017 at EDT pm
Oh this is priceless, Alex Jones claims the nazi demonstrators were actually hired jews. Funny, cos there’s a nasty twitter account “@Yesyoureracist” that’s devoted itself to outing them based on the pics, and they’re definitely jewish, with obviously jewish names like Allsop, Tefft, Dix, Martin, Reardon, White and Cvjetanovic. Some have even been fired from their “fake” jobs and disowned by their “fake” families.
Gail
August 15, 2017 at EDT am
I see numerous articles titled “Who is James Alex Fields Jr?” in the MSM, including the NY Times, the BBC, and the Atlanta Journal Constitution. All include comments from Derek Weimer, Fields’ high school teacher. All except NY Magazine suppress Weimer’s exculpatory statement that Fields was on medication for schizophrenia.
Mark Caplan
August 15, 2017 at EDT am
There is full drone coverage of the entire car crash incident. There have been little clips circulated but not the whole run up the street.
Why do you think this is?
I suspect Fields will get something like negligent homocide if he doesn’t walk completely.
Sentient
August 15, 2017 at EDT am
God damn mods..
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Sentient
August 15, 2017 at EDT am
Anti-Establishment Right is not bad. I also like “dissident right”, which John Derbyshire has been using for a while. dissident saves you a few syllables over anti-establishment. These terms are simply descriptive. To be more specific, one could say “nationalist right”. You might need to be more specific sometimes because people like David Frum or David French probably also believe they are anti-establishment dissidents.
This is more idiosyncratic, but I also like the term “North American New Right” (or NANR, which in my mind I pronounce like “nanner”; nobody else does this, just my brain). “New Right” could mean many things, but “North American” situates it in relation to European nationalist trends. Now, the phrase North American New Right comes from a book title by Greg Johnson, who is also a fascist-sympathising racial-essentialist identitarian anti-Semite, so I could understand someone feeling that it is tainted by that association.
Greg Pandatshang
August 15, 2017 at EDT pm
“Dissident” sounds way too negative, and its meaning less clear to someone without a college education (or even to me).
Lion of the Blogosphere
August 15, 2017 at EDT pm
To all readers who wish there was an organisation that reflects the right-wing ideas that make the alt-right seem appealing but without Nazi/KKK imagery and anti-Semitism, I’d like to remind you that it already exists: Jared Taylor’s American Renaissance. Donations are tax deductible. Steve Sailer and Peter Brimelow’s Vdare website also need your financial support.
Greg Pandatshang
August 15, 2017 at EDT pm
Now? No, they were that way all along, as I have been saying here. They have a right to demonstrate, but please be honest, they were loaded for bear. That doesn’t excuse the violent antifa, but the alt right adores violence, feeds off of it, lives for it.
Milo was lucky Spencer booted him.
gothamette
August 15, 2017 at EDT pm
Surely the people that wear Nazi uniforms and Sieg Heil each other must realise that if Hitler were alive he would not do those things, since Hitler was an opportunist who did what worked.
There is footage of Hitler being very deferential to Chancellor Hindenburg, for example. Meanwhile, in the UK we have white nationalists who call Churchill a “Jew”.
martin2
August 15, 2017 at EDT pm
P.S. to my other comments. I was thinking about back in 2003 when I went to anti-war protests against the Iraq Attaq. There were always people from the Revolutionary Communist Party there (I used to know some guys in the RCYB, so I recognised them). I think the Workers World Party was also represented. For those not in the know about old school American far left politics, these are both Stalinist~Maoist organisations. They give aid and comfort to the memory of mass murderers in precisely the same way that neo-nazis do.
Furthermore, if I recall correctly, Justin Raimondo and others were complaining at the time the Communists being too powerful within the organisations that set up the anti-war protests. Now, back in 2003~2004, did anyone ever ask Democrat politicians (Barack Obama, for example) to denounce the entire anti-war protest movement on the grounds that there were Communists there? Of course not. They didn’t even ask them to denounce the Communists specifically as far as I know. That is the precedent that MSM and previous president have set for how to handle creepy radicals in our midst.
Greg Pandatshang
August 15, 2017 at EDT pm