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Boston Free Speech Rally

This is something I will be following today.

It has a much better name than last week’s rally. If you’re in favor of Free Speech, traditionally that means you’re a good guy not a bad guy.

It looks like the Boston police will be helping them by ensuring that they don’t bring any weapons to the rally. So if there’s violence, it will almost surely be only the antifas committing the violence. Which the mainstream media will ignore unless it’s some very serious violence. The best thing for the alt-right is if the antifas commit a massacre. The symbolism of a second Boston Massacre would be great propaganda. But I personally am not volunteering to be one of the people killed in the massacre.

I don’t think the police will allow anything like that. They seem serious about keeping the two sides separated.

UPDATE

https://www.boston.com/news/local-news/2017/08/19/live-updates-free-speech-rally-counter-protests-boston-common

Hardly anyone showed up for the rally. I guess no one wanted to get beat up by “Antifa.”

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August 19, 2017 at 7:20 am

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  1. The problem with “Unite the Right” was in the name. We don’t need unity on the right because that means unity with Nazis.

    Now it may seem self serving for Jewish guys like myself to say that our movement needs to keep separate from Nazis, but the examples of Marine Le Pen in France, Wilders in the Netherlands and even Orban in Hungary shows that the populist right does much better when they keep themselves separate from the 1488ers.

    I’m not saying we fight the Nazis or even condemn them, and I think we should continue to support their right to free speech, but we should not associate with them. Let them do their Nazi LARPing and make us look moderate in comparison.

    Otis the Sweaty

    August 19, 2017 at 7:49 am

    • Nazis are a complete non-starter in America. Even if you could get past the Holocaust and wars of conquest, why the hell would a movement rooted in German nationalism slash imperialism have any appeal in a culturally Anglo country that lost 100s of thousands of soldiers fighting those assholes?

      Quit apart from what’s wrong with it intrinsically, Nazi stuff is so alienating because it’s foreign. To be successful, populist/nationalist movements have to celebrate their own communities and traditions.

      Richard

      August 19, 2017 at 11:08 am

      • The nazi stuff shows they’re not pro-American per se, but pro-white (which is also why the Russian scandal has no legs), and they define white quite strictly.

        The purpose of the nazi stuff i think might also be to so desensitize the public to extreme political incorrectness that regular alt-right views will feel mainstream by comparison

        That’s probably why trump almost encourages them. He got elected by mainstreaming taboo views so it works to his advantage

        pumpkinperson

        August 19, 2017 at 1:03 pm

      • I understand the logic of those who might be claiming to be Nazis ironically, but it will never work because Americans don’t see it solely as a matter of political correctness, they see it as devaluing the heroism and sacrifice of U.S. soldiers who beat the Third Reich. We didn’t beat Germany so they could plant their flags here 70 years later. For different but similar reasons, flaunting Mexican flags in rallies are terrible optics for amnesty proponents.

        And I don’t agree that Trump is plotting to encourage them.

        Richard

        August 19, 2017 at 1:25 pm

      • Well i was horrified to see most of the nazis at the march were university kids and don’t remember WWI and see nazism as a way of rebelling against older americans who hate nazis. They’re trying to recruit young people

        pumpkinperson

        August 19, 2017 at 2:39 pm

      • I meant WWII not WWI

        pumpkinperson

        August 19, 2017 at 2:49 pm

      • This Nazi thing in America is all reactionary stuff. Many Meriproles are feeling left out when it comes to feeding of the vultures. Wealthy American capitalists are feeding chicken scraps to blacks and Hispanics, but not to prole whites, and add to insult to injury, it is done at their expense, where they are left to their own devices.

        But this SJW thing will see a meltdown the same way the right side of politics will suffer a hard blowback. SWPLs might be inadvertently harmed by the tribal politics of NAMs, who subconsciously think all Whites are evil.

        JS

        August 19, 2017 at 6:55 pm

      • Not really new. In the late ’70s the Ramones and other punk rockers went around wearing swastika belt buckles and such to shock their parents. The Sex Pistols had a song called “Belsen Was a Gas.” This ironic Naziism didn’t fly then either, and everybody was pretty well embarrassed by it within a few years.

        The “Unite the Right” movement is dead dead dead, and people who still want to claim the Alt-Right label are trying to disassociate themselves from Nazis but it’s too late, that brand is finished, caput. It’s been shit ever since Richard Spencer did his “Heil Trump” thing with the Nazi salute last year, and the murder in Charlottesville buried it forever.

        Richard

        August 19, 2017 at 7:09 pm

      • “why the hell would a movement rooted in German nationalism slash imperialism have any appeal in a culturally Anglo country that lost 100s of thousands of soldiers fighting those assholes?”

        They aren’t making themselves sympathetic to the whole country only those who find destruction of cultural monuments repulsive. No one else is standing up for these statues and the very real, and I would say legitimate, historical perspective they represent of a brave confederacy standing up to an illegal invasion. Especially an illegal invasion that resulted in the overthrow of the old constitutional order. The fact that some group of sub-literates who know absolutely nothing of consequence about the events represented feels outraged is no excuse for destroying cultural symbols.

        As always, southerners were almost certainly disproportionate in the Army in WWII, but then again, Hitler wasn’t destroying their cultural heritage so whatever distaste they may have for the real Nazis is likely to be balanced against the good the fakers appear to be doing now. Don’t underestimate the anger rising among many in the South now over these insults, particularly by a band of what appear to be recent arrival Bolsheviks. This will result in even higher vote totals for Trump in the future.

        If the Nazis defended a Washington monument would that become a justification for taking it down?

        The press has, because they are devious and evil, portrayed C-ville not as a defense of cultural landmarks but as a racism rally. These people are pure evil and they have lots of power. A secondary message from this is if the press and the deep state can get away with this level of propaganda in this way there is nothing they can’t do or destroy. Unless someone somewhere finds a way to stop them.

        We are witnessing the results of years of witlessness by Republicans who actually thought new imported peoples would respect the traditions of the old over the opportunity for a payday. Not unlike the aliens who were recruited to fight for the Union Army for the purpose of destroying the old constitutional order. .

        Curle

        August 19, 2017 at 7:49 pm

      • “If the Nazis defended a Washington monument would that become a justification for taking it down?”

        If those guys were the least bit media savvy that would make a good tactic. It would certainly “start a conversation.”

        Mike Street Station

        August 20, 2017 at 9:55 am

    • Why not condemn? It’s not like they’re useful for anything, and everything they stand for is bad. I say this as someone who doesn’t get all tied in a knot at the mere mention of neo-Nazis. I think the obsession with Nazis and the Klan is silly AF, but there’s no point in being tied to irrational stupid people who take to the streets in offensive Halloween costumes.

      Getting away from the shock value of their ideology for a minute, let’s get back to the “stupid” part. What does Nazi Germany have to do with the current plight of white Americans? The Nazis were an expasionist power in the Thirties and Forties who were responsible for millions of deaths, and now, any white person who dares to point out that whites occasionally get treated unfairly is tarred as a Nazi. Hitler occupies Satan’s place in SJW religion. Given this reality, why would anyone who claims to be advocating for white American interests want to carry a Nazi flag. Even someone blinded by intense anti-Semitism should realize all this.

      In other news, possible agent provocateur Richard Spencer has condemned probable agent provocateur Jason Kessler for the latter’s statement about the death of Heather Heyer.

      Stealth

      August 19, 2017 at 11:43 am

    • I agree.

      destructure

      August 19, 2017 at 11:45 am

    • for Jewish guys like myself

      You’re Jewish?!

      S.J., Esquire

      August 19, 2017 at 12:16 pm

    • I’m not saying we fight the Nazis or even condemn them, and I think we should continue to support their right to free speech, but we should not associate with them

      Right, and they aren’t “Nazis” they are role playing dorks and so called neo Nazis. Lets stop pretending those aren’t two completely different groups. Otherwise you are playing into the delusions of these nonentities.

      But anybody who really believes in all that or is goofy enough to parade around mimicking Nazis should be held in contempt and totally rejected.

      But the 1st amendment is to protect them as well as anybody else.

      In this case the cops just failed to keep the degenerates separated, which is their legal obligation.

      Rifleman

      August 19, 2017 at 1:10 pm

      • P.S. I don’t normally want to get into conspiracy theories, but this situation creates some extremely low-hanging fruit for COINTELPRO-type operations. Any time there’s going to be a right-wing event, just let people know there are going to be some people with swastika flags there. Sensible people start deciding to stay home and Netflix instead, maybe finally clean out the garage. If a few of them show up anyway, now they’re at a smaller event that’s mostly swastika flags and they can be demonized as evil racists.

        Greg Pandatshang

        August 19, 2017 at 1:37 pm

    • Right. But the problem is that all the momentum has been on the part of the people (“the alt-right”) who are just fine with Nazi LARPing. Milo used to have big events but then he was destroyed suddenly. Gavin McInnes’s people, from what I can tell, have been internally divided because of uncertainty about how to relate to the alt-right. So, with the event in Charlottesville, everyone who is not okay with Nazi LARPing realized where it was headed and stayed home, leaving only the Greater Naziosphere. Looks like what happened in Boston is that the same people who didn’t want to hang out with LARPers didn’t show up and the LARPers also didn’t show up (because they were discouraged and not invited), which means hardly anyone showed up at all

      Greg Pandatshang

      August 19, 2017 at 1:32 pm

    • The Alt Right never really cared about whether Trump did well or not. They were happy he won for one reason only: because it triggered Leftists. But he actually stands in the way of their ultimate victory. He wants to unite the country and make it great again, whereas the Alt Right always say they want “Acceleration”, ie they want things to get worse and worse because only through collapse and civil war can they achieve their goals. For this reason they are very unreliable allies because they are more than willing to sabotage Trump.

      DataExplorer

      August 19, 2017 at 2:34 pm

      • >>For this reason they are very unreliable allies because they are more than willing to sabotage Trump.

        As are the cuck-servatives, so what is Trump to do? I say, go full bore heritage and populist. Enough there for a winnable coalition, even though the Cucks and Dems will hate him that much more.

        Daniel

        August 19, 2017 at 11:14 pm

    • Let them do their Nazi LARPing and make us look moderate in comparison.

      Why are people using this term LARPng? These are actual neo nazis, who idolize Hitler, believe in National Socialism, etc. Some may be LARPing, in that they’re adopting nazi imagery rather than ideology in order to be ironic or subversive, but surely the problem is primarily the actual nazism.

      Magnavox

      August 19, 2017 at 10:36 pm

  2. Yeah I don’t see how antifa committing violence would be news unless there was a death or two, and even then, I’ve no doubt they would spin it as some sort of outside hooliganism, and never ever mention antifa.

    You would need the perp to have the kind of social media trail as Hodgkinson did in order to get the media to say oops.

    Mike Street Station

    August 19, 2017 at 7:51 am

  3. There’s little doubt the mayor of c-ville coordinated with the chief of police to help antifa attack the protesters. Riot police forced the protesters to run a gauntlet of violent counter protesters with masks, mace, bats and piss balloons. That’s why Fields came back with his car and ran them over.

    Normally, boston’s mayor and police chief would probably pull something similar. But after what happened in c-ville they know they’ll be under scrutiny and won’t risk it. I suspect they’ll do their jobs and keep the peace.

    destructure

    August 19, 2017 at 11:14 am

  4. Someone here coined the term ‘peace outbreaks’. That’s how Bolshevik violence will be described, as a peace outbreak. Or maybe a justice eruption.

    Curle

    August 19, 2017 at 11:27 am

    • They don’t need euphemisms. So long as someone is perceived as a Nazi, the public will be at least ambivalent about a little street justice. Take that scene in “The Blues Brothers” where the guys ram their car through a Neo-Nazi rally, sending all the fascists over the bridge and into the river. That’s the public attitude. No murder, but a smackdown is probably within ethical warrant.

      The problem is that it’s 2017, and the groups the status quo is giving moral support to, like Antifa, consider every Republican a Nazi — even the Never Trumpers. Half the country.

      This is going to end in something spectacular.

      Richard

      August 19, 2017 at 1:18 pm

      • The person who killed and condemned the most Nazis in the 20th century was Stalin. How many statues are left of him and his communist ideology?

        cesqy

        August 19, 2017 at 3:33 pm

      • Exactly. And the person who killed most communists was Hitler. So we should let Antifa and Alt Right exterminate each other.

        Yakov

        August 20, 2017 at 4:55 pm

      • And the person who killed most communists was Hitler.

        I think Stalin (and/or Mao) might take the honors on that one too…

        snorlaxwp

        August 21, 2017 at 12:22 am

  5. I’m not watching. Are they dressed appropriately?

    white people are Hitler!

    August 19, 2017 at 1:13 pm

  6. I just spent about 40 minutes walking around the Boston rally, which supposedly started at noon. Unless things change later in the day, it’s going to turn out to be pretty pathetic. The entire right-wing contingent of maybe 100-200 people could fit inside one large gazebo. They were separated from the protesters by multiple police barricades that were spaced out by hundreds of feet, so the groups were nowhere near each other. The rally speakers had no loudspeakers, so there was no way to hear anything they were saying.

    The protesters might have outnumbered the actual rally-goers by 150 to 1. No exaggeration. It was a pretty large and raucous crowd. Some observations:

    – The protesters didn’t seem to be making any fine-grained distinctions about the ideologies of the speakers. As I understand it, these were basically second tier Alt Lite types, whose ideas aren’t really that far from traditional right-wing, tea party, gun rights republicans. The actual Alt Right considers them cucks. But to the crowd, they were white supremacist Nazis, the Charlottesville people were white supremacist Nazis, Trump is a white supremacist Nazi, etc…

    – Plenty of Antifa with masks. They look pretty pathetic when you see them up close- scrawny, tatted-up and drugged-out looking.

    – It’s really striking how prominent LGBT issues are to the left now. So many of the most hardcore protesters were gay, lesbian, trans, or otherwise sexually ambiguous. Lots of rainbow flags and LGBT content on signs.

    – Lots of Black Lives Matter sign-holders and chanters, almost all of them white people

    Anon

    August 19, 2017 at 1:23 pm

    • I wonder why the free speech people had no loud speakers. Maybe almost everyone backed out, fearing they would be labeled as a nazi for attending. So now we have a situation where anyone who favours Trump, or limiting immigration, or is against affirmative action, is branded as a nazi, and dare not speak out about it in public for fear of violent attack or losing their jobs.

      Ironically, most of the men who fought against the real Nazis in WW2 (men like my father) would today be against open borders and affirmative action.

      I was brought up to believe that Hitler and Nazis were the most evil thing in the world, and I still believe that. I am not going to be intimidated by brainless punks in antifa into thinking that being against open borders makes me a Nazi.

      Rosenmops

      August 19, 2017 at 3:02 pm

      • I wonder why the free speech people had no loud speakers.

        Because no one with the intelligence to plan ahead would still go to this rally after what happened this last week. They’re lucky the police and mayor did their jobs this time around, or a lot of them would be in the hospital.

        Richard

        August 19, 2017 at 7:20 pm

      • The Alt Lite has never really demonstrated an ability to “show up”. Successful Alt Lite rallies such as Berkeley and Portland rallies were actually carried by the Alt Right with Baked Alaska’s crew (a fusion of Alt Lite and Alt Right), Nathan Damigo (head of Identity Evropa and guy who knocked out Moldylocks), and Based Stickman making the biggest waves. The Alt Right has to be involved to some degree in order to make a successful rally. Baked Alaska (a drama queen who reminds me of the Alt Lite/Alt Right version of Glen Beck) or somebody like Lauren Southern, Augustus Invictus, or Faith Goldy are the sort of people you want promoting a rally because they have enough cred with all the different groups that everybody will show up and work together.

        PerezHBD

        August 19, 2017 at 8:23 pm

      • Based Stickman is surely Alt Light, doesn’t he have an Asian wife or girlfriend?

        DataExplorer

        August 20, 2017 at 9:12 am

  7. The damage caused by the Charlottesville rally will be nearly impossible to overcome. These nazi larpers are in complete denial about the toxicity of their image. Their antics have tarred the dissident right as a whole. Anyone who doesn’t think Trumpism was damaged too is blind to reality.

    This is not hysteria. My social media feed is unbelievably tense right now — it’s obvious I would risk permanent social and/or professional ostracism with any comment that strayed from the media’s narrative.

    The Vice documentary, in particular, has been making the rounds among all of my social media “friends”. It is devastatingly effective b/c Cantwell comes off as a garden variety neo-Nazi loser. I can’t imagine any women responding positively to this image at all.

    SWPL2

    August 19, 2017 at 1:29 pm

    • Obviously you wouldn’t comment on this stuff with your normie account. Just create an anonymous facebook account, then you can say whatever the hell you want.

      DataExplorer

      August 19, 2017 at 2:26 pm

    • It’s hard to figure the damage to Trump, though. The thing is that MSM headlines always have been against him, always will be. So, it’s hard to get a sense of how much worse for him any particular outrage is. Sean Trende cited a poll where 46% of Americans think the right-wing was responsible for violence in Charlottesville, 40% think both sides were responsible, and 9% think the left-wing was responsible. Trump (per his statements) is among the 40% who blame both sides. That means 49% of the people in the country either agree with Trump or are to his right on this, vs. 46% opposing him. These 49% are totally invisible from where I sit – I don’t seem to know any of them – but they’re out there. The people I know are all having conniptions, but they were already hyperventilating when he was inaugrated, so what difference does it make?

      Greg Pandatshang

      August 19, 2017 at 2:45 pm

      • Where I live (a suburban purple area in a deep blue California county) no one’s talking about it; life goes on. Granted I haven’t sought out any conversations about it, but no one’s unburdening themselves like they did about, say, Hurricane Katrina.

        Richard

        August 19, 2017 at 7:26 pm

      • I don’t think normal people under the age of 40 really understand Alt Right or Antifa at all. I’ve been visiting my typical suburban Northeast Republican Parents who now live on the Carolina Coast and what they and all their friends middle upper class retiree friends seem to be focused on is the monuments thing, which they all see as horrifying and crazy. So I think this whole thing has been a big win for Trump that has gone unrecognized because the MSM lives in such a liberal bubble.

        PerezHBD

        August 19, 2017 at 9:39 pm

      • My guess is that people will just further entrench on their pre-existing opinions, but it will be harder for the right to organize in public and even online.

        Who knows. Maybe Trump can hold a few rallies across the country as a way to either galvanize the right to organize more, or goad antifa.

        Sid

        August 20, 2017 at 3:49 am

      • Naturally, anywhere you go most people are not paying attention to politics. I have no idea what the mood is like in purple areas, let alone red areas. But here in blue state America, I was informed last night at a small dinner thing that there was “another white supremacist rally” in Boston. This morning, a boomer college professor explained to me that hate speech should be “very carefully regulated” because it’s so dangerous; and that a local university should not have allowed Milo Yiannopoulos to make an appearance because the university is inclusive. I raised an eyebrow but didn’t say anything.

        Greg Pandatshang

        August 20, 2017 at 2:28 pm

    • “I can’t imagine any women responding positively to this image at all.”

      He was just kicked off OKCupid. So now we’ll never know how women respond. That’s really hitting below the belt.

      destructure

      August 19, 2017 at 3:39 pm

    • @ SWPL2

      If I were a white nationalist, I would not pretend to be a Nazi. Instead I would get all my white nationalist comrades to join a Mosque with me.

      It’s a more acceptable socially to preach homophobia, racism, and anti-semitism if you are a practicing Muslim. Plus you’d probably get along with ethnic Middle-easterners and other Muslims, since you basically agree about everything.

      For the most part it would be a good thing if this happened, too, and Islam became a much bigger deal in the West. One of the West’s biggest problems is that women are allowed to make poor life choices without interference by family.

      Lowe

      August 19, 2017 at 8:00 pm

      • How to get around that cousin marriage thing? I’ve got a couple of good enough girl cousins but I’m concerned my other male cousins might claim first dibs. Plus, can anyone who visits this site really put on the act necessary to fit in?

        I wasn’t raised Catholic but I’m beginning to sense that’s the best religious option based on my ‘fewest hours putting in a religious act’ scale. I can’t really speak to Islam but I sense it requires a pretty high faking commitment.

        Curle

        August 19, 2017 at 11:06 pm

    • These nazi larpers

      Why are people using this term LARPng? These are actual neo nazis, who idolize Hitler, believe in National Socialism, etc. Some may be LARPing, in that they’re adopting nazi imagery rather than ideology in order to be ironic or subversive, but surely the problem is primarily the actual nazism.

      Magnavox

      August 19, 2017 at 10:36 pm

      • They’re not nazis, They’re just just clowns.

        destructure

        August 20, 2017 at 12:04 am

      • ….adopting nazi imagery rather than ideology in order to be ironic or subversive, but surely the problem is primarily the actual nazism.

        No it isn’t. These people ARE NOT Nazis. And their larping and beliefs are irrelevant.

        Nazis where real people who fought in WW2.

        These people are delusional nobodies engaged in play acting.

        And you are delusion if you think otherwise.

        Rifleman

        August 20, 2017 at 12:18 pm

      • They are neo nazis, as I said. What a stupid point to say that either you’re a german fascist during world war 2 or you’re a LARPer. Did people say to KKKers during the 1920s that they were just LARPing and that everyone knew the KKK didn’t exist anymore.

        And there’s nothing delusional about adhering to any ideology that you want to. If someone is a neo nazi I would rather they be up front about it and even have much more respect for them.

        Magnavox

        August 20, 2017 at 5:04 pm

    • I’ve seen clips from that Vice documentary over and over on NBC News for the past 5 days.

      Mike Street Station

      August 20, 2017 at 10:06 am

    • These nazi larpers are in complete denial about the toxicity of their image.

      The autism vibe is always there.

      Rifleman

      August 20, 2017 at 12:20 pm

  8. This girl attended the rally. It’s worth a read. https://lorettatheprole.org. Here is a gem: ‘ We passed some parking lots where people were lined up, yelling at us. Fortunately, they were across the street from us. People ahead of us in line started chanting “Open borders for Israel!” We chanted right along with them. We don’t understand why Israel gets to retain its culture, while our culture is destroyed.’ Why not Japan or Saudi Arabia or Zimbabwe? Because these are anti-semites, but also cowards, and generally untermenchen. Their response to anti-semitic and anti-zionist Antifa is to attack Israel and blame the Jews for their problems. Straight out of Der Sturmer – ‘Die Juden sind unser Unglück’. This, incidentally, sums up the content of the Unz Review as well. I say: plauge on both of their houses.

    Yakov

    August 20, 2017 at 1:14 am

    • That was an interesting read. So Trump was right, there were other people there besides the KKK and Nazi’s! Sure didn’t learn that on the news.

      Mike Street Station

      August 20, 2017 at 10:25 am

      • I’d say it strayed too far into propaganda for the protesters.

        But bottom line is that people whose views we disagree with are supposed to have the same Constitutional rights to have a rally in a public park as everyone else.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        August 20, 2017 at 11:03 am

      • Yeah, I agree. You gotta live in other countries to appreciate the freedom in America. Leave the first amendment alone, I say, but riot if the Nazis march.

        Yakov

        August 20, 2017 at 11:17 am

      • America is a right wing nation coming from all sides. Its liberals aren’t particularly open minded or universal. They have a twisted agenda along the lines of capitalism that seeks to exploit and enrich.

        Freedom? America certainly has that. But here’s the Catch-22 Yakov, non-whites want to flood America, because it’s freer here than let’s say China.

        JS

        August 20, 2017 at 11:41 am

      • Why does the Anglo Prole-Financial Times speak highly of Spain and its general tolerance of immigrants? The same cannot be said of English Speaking countries. Furthermore, neither France nor Germany are great examples of successful integration of immigrants.

        JS

        August 20, 2017 at 6:02 pm

    • “Open borders for Japan” would be an interesting chant. I think people’s immediate response to Israeli policy is that they are in a militarily precarious situation, so lots of things might be justified for them that aren’t otherwise. The downside of “Open borders for Japan” is that, while people have a vague familiarity with the kind of policy Israel might have, they have typically never thought even for half a second about Japan’s immigration policy. So, referring to it goes way over the heads of 90% of people. However, in a way, that’s a strength: bringing it up might get some of the more inquisitive sorts to start thinking about it.

      Greg Pandatshang

      August 20, 2017 at 1:43 pm

      • Israeli voters, most of whom are Jewish, voted for politicians who support closed borders.

        United States voters, the vast majority whom are NOT Jewish, voted for politicians who support open borders.

        Why should Israel open its borders because American voters are too stupid to vote for closed-borders politicians?

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        August 20, 2017 at 2:34 pm

      • No, no, no, nobody actually wants Israel or Japan to actually have open borders. Even anti-Semites like Richard Spencer want a Jewish state to remain so they can deport Jews from America to there. The point of the chant is to say to the people who want open borders for America, “[by your logic, then we should also have] open borders for Israel/Japan/North Korea/whatever!” which is a point that can be made equally well by anti-Semites or by regular people. It’s reductio ad absurdum. Naturally, the anti-Semites have an additional reason to pick Israel as their example. I’m arguing that Japan might be a better example for everybody else. (I often think to myself, “I wish America was more like Japan …”)

        Greg Pandatshang

        August 20, 2017 at 3:23 pm

      • “United States voters, the vast majority whom are NOT Jewish, voted for politicians who support open borders.”

        Not really. Most Americans don’t want open borders, But the voters don’t control the politicians. Politicians say one thing then do what the billionaires, corporations and special interests want. Democracy is a sham.

        destructure

        August 20, 2017 at 3:54 pm

      • Politicians do respond to what the voters REALLY want, otherwise they get voted out of office.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        August 20, 2017 at 5:07 pm

      • Some researchers have studied voting records and compared them with polls of average voters and moneyed interests. They found that the only time the average voter got what they wanted was when the moneyed interests wanted it, too. Democracy is a sham.

        destructure

        August 20, 2017 at 5:26 pm

      • i think its probably a good guess that the average american does not really like immigration, but is mostly ignorant to its extent, its effects, and importance, just like the average australian. couple this with the lack of a discernible or psychologically palatable political alternative, immigration continues largely unabated.

        james n.s.w

        August 20, 2017 at 5:27 pm

      • James — the problem with anglo prole nationalism — hardly anything that is culturally worthy. all of them are well greased money machines — the chinese love ozzy land just as much as they do with America and English Speaking Canada.

        JS

        August 20, 2017 at 5:57 pm

      • Actually Japan is not a better example because you are forgetting that the Israeli example serves a dual purpose. Yes, part of it is to tweak Leftists who support for Israel all the policies they deem “racist” when applied to the United States, but is also works on True Cons who believe Israel is our greatest ally and the second greatest country on earth besides the United States. The more you publicize the fact Israel has closed borders (and even goes so far as to pay its minimal existing black population to leave) the more you elevate the “righteousness” of such policies in the eyes of religious True Cons.

        Japan holds no special attachment for anyone on the Right and the Left views Japanese as an “evil” minority anyway for making all other minorities look bad. You might as well cite Nazi Germany as modern day Japan for all the propaganda good it would do you.

        PerezHBD

        August 20, 2017 at 6:07 pm

      • “Leftists who support for Israel”

        Leftists are becoming more and more anti-Israel and pro-Palestinian.

        On the right: Teddy Roosevelt strongly admired the Japanese.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        August 20, 2017 at 7:10 pm

      • Teddy Roosevelt’s death is as far in the past as the Missouri Compromise was at TR’s death, or the Seven Years’ War was at his birth. He doesn’t determine anyone’s modern-day thinking. And it’s a stretch to call him a rightist — he was easily the leftmost major candidate in both 1904 and 1912, although he would’ve been the right’s standard-bearer had he run in 1916 or [not died before] 1920.

        Anyway, nobody cares about Japan. “Open borders for Japan!” Liberals+Cuckservatives: Yeah, sounds good, open borders for Japan.

        It is on the other hand true that many cuckservative Republicans (Jeff Flake, Marco Rubio) and primarily-older-generation liberal Jews (Haim Saban, David Brooks) are vehemently in favor of open borders for America at the same time as they are vehemently in favor of Israel maintaining closed borders to non-Jews and other policies that are enormously “racist” and “white supremacist” by their own standards. And this really is an incredible display of hypocrisy that they are utterly unable to coherently defend.

        However, from a PR perspective the way to raise the issue so that the targets of the criticism look bad is during (televised) debates, Q&A’s, in letters to the editor and so on (maintaining a civil, academic tone throughout, obviously), NOT as a chant in rallies featuring swastika flags. Normies will immediately dismiss, with prejudice, any Jew-related (or other, but especially Jew-related) arguments made by real or perceived Neo-Nazis (for good reason).

        snorlaxwp

        August 21, 2017 at 12:53 am

      • ‘However, from a PR perspective the way to raise the issue so that the targets of the criticism look bad is during (televised) debates, Q&A’s, in letters to the editor and so on (maintaining a civil, academic tone throughout, obviously),’

        And what is that PR perspective? Isn’t it to stop the immigration to America? Castigating Israel as a racist state, which has been done in a UN resolution and is being reaffirmed countless times every year is going to bring you closer to your goal? Is it the military and financial aid that should be cut to a racist Jewish state? What is it that you can possibly gain in your goal to save America from becoming a third world country by talking about Israel?

        There are 100,000 Americans troops, their dependents and supporting personel stationed in Japan guaranteeing that country’s security and the country has a zero immigration policy.

        US sells tens of billions in military equipment to Saudi Arabia, guarantees its security and the country has zero immigration policy, but finances the spread of snti-american Wahabbism all over the world.

        Not that discussing Japan or Saudi Arabia in the context of immigration makes any sense either. Accusing other countries of racism, extremism or whatever will not help you change the policy of the US political establishment. So you, sir, have shown yourself an Anti-Semite and an idiot, who is fit to be fleeced, flogged and slaughtered. Who doesn’t have what it takes to defend his people effectively. Remember a simple rule in life: if you blame the Jews for your problems, you are a loser, an untermench, you will lose the evolutionary struggle and become a dinosaur sooner then you think.

        Incidentally, for you benefit and for the benefit of all the mates here. Ben-Gurion used to say: ‘What matters is what we Jews do, not what the Goyim say’. This is a healthy approach, but people with old, tired geans cannot take it. It’s always blaming the Jew.

        Think how ridiculous were the Nazis! They claimed to be a master race, but needed affirmative action to compete against Jewish shoemakers and pharmacists, for example. That swine Julius Stricker was ousted by Hitler for excessive stealing of Jewish property. Here an ‘ubermench’ kills a Jew, steals his property, moves into his house and claims he is from a superior race. We aren’t talking about Jewish financiers here, but regular businesses.

        There is a Jewish saying: ‘If you you want to praise – praise the Almighty, if you want to blame – blame yourself’. Try to wrap your head around it before it’s to late.

        Yakov

        August 21, 2017 at 12:52 pm


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