Lion of the Blogosphere

More thoughts on Game of Thrones, Season 7

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This is the season in which Tyrion became stupid.

In previous seasons, the idea was presented that Tyrion was actually the smartest and most capable of the Lannister siblings, and if only old-man Tywin wasn’t so prejudiced against Tyrion’s physical disability, his family would have greatly benefited.

But in this season, all of Tyrion’s advice was bad advice. Being the smart guy, and supposedly knowing his sister Cersei better than anyone else, he should have been the one who played her, and not the other way around.

It was Tyrion’s idea to attack Casterly Rock, but Cersei and Jaime tricked him by pulling out their army. Only after that, when Daenerys ignored Tyrion’s advice and rode her dragons into battle, did she win a decisive victory against Cersei.

But then Daenerys threw everything away with the foolish expedition to capture the undead. Which Tyrion supported. If, as a viewer, it was ridiculously obvious that Cersei would only join a truce or alliance or whatever with the intent to double-cross, why wasn’t it obvious to Tyrion, Cersei’s own brother, the guy who is supposed to be smarter than her?

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In this season, Lord Varys is neutered in more ways than one. If Tyrion was too stupid to figure out that Cersei was double-crossing them, why didn’t Varys’ spies know about Cersei hiring the Golden Company?

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We had a long arc in which Arya returns to Winterfell, she appears to not get along with Sansa, she appears to psychotically threaten to murder Sansa, all instigated by Littlefinger. It seems too convenient that, off-camera, somehow Arya and Sansa got together, figure it all out, and plot the scene in the great hall where Littlefinger gets his deserved death sentence.

And whether it makes sense or not, it doesn’t allow the viewers to see the development of the characters. All of a sudden, Arya and Sansa are magically friends again.

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Does Bran have any purpose besides spouting off some vision whenever the writers can’t figure out a better way to introduce a new plot twist? I would like to see him get married off to a nice girl and live happily ever after. I don’t think that’s going to happen.

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I’m still annoyed about how the Night King got hold of an undead ice dragon.

But on to the next undead ice dragon problem: While watching the dragon destroy the ice wall by breathing ice breath on it, like many other viewers, I wondered why the hell that would work. (1) The wall was supposed to be enchanted to repel the undead, and the dragon is undead. (2) Why does breathing ice breath on an ice wall destroy it? It ought to make the wall stronger and even more powerful than before.

The answer is that it’s magic, and magic doesn’t follow the laws of physics, so deal with it! But that’s not a satisfying answer. I don’t think that George R.R. Martin would have written the story this way.

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What happens next season? The way things are being written, Jon Snow will be a big hero, and the bad guys Cersie and the Night King will lose. Littlefinger getting the dagger this episode is just a precursor of the bad guys getting offed.

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Travel time makes no sense. Fleets appear when needed (as well as get constructed when needed), armies appear when needed, Daenerys shows up to rescue Jon Snow’s commando team when needed, how did they get there in the allotted time?

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The only suspense for next season:

1. HOW will they defeat the Night King? (I guess that it will probably involve Melisandre.)

2. Will Jon Snow or Denaerys become the next ruler of Westeros?

3. Will Jaime be redeemed in the end? And will he live?

4. Will Tyrion stop being stupid? Just kidding, that’s not suspenseful, the writers appear incapable of making him smart.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

August 28, 2017 at EDT pm

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  1. It wouldn’t make sense for the dragon to breathe ice; it must be blue fire.

    DaddyFrank

    August 28, 2017 at EDT pm

    • It still makes no sense for blue fire to cause a 75 ft thick wall of ice to explode and collapse. It could have been really interesting if they established that a dragon could do it earlier and showed the night king lure Jon Snow in some way (similar to the beginning of the battle of the bastards with Rickon). But that would have just driven home how dumb and terrible Jon snow is and the show is all in on him

      Magnavox

      August 28, 2017 at EDT pm

      • In the books its mentioned that dragon fire is the hottest flame in westeros, followed by wild fire. They set up the ice-melting powers of dragon fire in the East Watch episode.

        Abe

        August 28, 2017 at EDT pm

      • I don’t doubt fire can melt ice. But it looked completely ridiculous because it didn’t look like melting at all and it lost any sense of the scale of the massive thick wall. The dragon melted the top of the wall in a fly by, it exploded, collapsed on it its lower portion, and the entire segment of the wall ended up destroyed.

        Magnavox

        August 28, 2017 at EDT pm

      • Can blue dragon fire melt valyrian steel beams?

        CMC

        August 28, 2017 at EDT pm

  2. Much better comment than the previous one. You could also think about that : why be disappointed with the use of magic when magic was there since the beginning ?

    I’ll give you my take on this.

    In the previous seasons, mostly, the internal logic of both characters psychology and course of events, made perfect sense. Magic was a magnifying force of everything already there. Magic was hyper-natural, compatible with truth, accuracy and credibility. Gradually, it became an excuse for inconsistencies.

    The problem is not using the magic too much. It’s using the brain too little. And that was your rightful conclusion “the writers appear incapable of making (him) smart.”

    Bruno

    August 28, 2017 at EDT pm

  3. You could have equally have written this is the season Game of Thrones became stupid.

    To be fair to the show-writers, they had no material to work with this season and so many loose strings to tie that GRRM may not even know how to handle them. They were excellent adapters but not creators, demonstrating an intuitive hierarchy in the cinematic arts.

    GRRM should have abandoned his novel to work full-time on finishing the show, instead of allowing it to end so tepidly limp.

    A Dilettante

    August 28, 2017 at EDT pm

    • It’s been stupid for a while it just keeps getting stupider. And started getting stupid when they were still on the books.

      Magnavox

      August 28, 2017 at EDT pm

      • The television writing was brilliant at times, especially with the very subtle glorification of feudalism, with its sense of propriety and honor for the lords to look after their people. A very nuanced anti-democratic juxtaposition which I think is part of the show’s unspoken charm. But I agree that it’s been on a decline as it’s grown in popularity, especially with its previous desperation for shameless nudity.

        A Dilettante

        August 28, 2017 at EDT pm

      • I don’t know if it glorified feudalism but it gave you a compelling insight into the thinking of people who thought it was glorious.

        Real history actually shows you that people truly thought differently in the past and they weren’t all a bunch of proto moderns desperate to think and act just like us but just being held back by evil rulers.

        Magnavox

        August 28, 2017 at EDT pm

      • Nobility is glorified because they actually really do have incredible powers in the GOT universe: the ability to tame dragons, dire wolves, etc and their blood has magical properties.

        DataExplorer

        August 29, 2017 at EDT pm

    • All of Lion’s complaints are a result of just that, TV creators taking over the narrative of the show from GRRM. Since he was too busy hot air balloon riding to finish his work, he has no one to blame but himself.

      Mike Street Station

      August 29, 2017 at EDT am

  4. The thing about Littlefinger is that he didn’t really manipulate them all that much. He “allowed” Arya to steal the letter because he assumed Stark loyalty would preclude Arya from ratting Sansa out in the end but that it would spook Sansa enough that she’d turn to him for counsel. The fact Arya genuinely wanted to kill Sansa seemed to catch him off guard and his advice to Sansa regarding that development was sound. Sansa really should have had Arya killed after that episode in the bedroom.

    PerezHBD

    August 28, 2017 at EDT pm

  5. i’ve tried to watch it three times. it’s so stupid i couldn’t get past 10m.

    the interesting thing for me is its producer is married to amanda peet, and i used to have a crush on her. half quaker half jewish, she must be smart too, not just pretty.

    ron burgundy

    August 28, 2017 at EDT pm

    • I wouldn’t assume anyone is smart just because she’s half Jewish and pretty. But allegedly she wrote a book by herself and went to an Ivy League school (Columbia), so maybe she is smart.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      August 28, 2017 at EDT pm

      • lion! so much you don’t know!

        the quakers are just as smart as the jews. like the jews this may be due to the dumber ones leaving the faith over the years. there’re only about 200k quakers in the US. nixon and the only human to beat watson are examples.

        so she has a jewish mother and a quaker corporate lawyer father.

        so peet married a 6’2″ jewish guy from a rich family. but that other half jewish ko, jennifer connelly, married a 6’3″ storm trooper from blighty, paul bettany.

        ron burgundy

        August 28, 2017 at EDT pm

      • Jews send their kids to quaker schools but they don’t have very many quakers in them any more.

        Magnavox

        August 29, 2017 at EDT am

    • Did you watch the earlier seasons? Theres no reason to start watching just the later seasons now.

      Magnavox

      August 28, 2017 at EDT pm

  6. Well, now we know that John Snow is a Targaryen and the rightful heir to the Iron Throne. Even better, he’s sleeping with his sister, and nice balance to Cersei and Jamie. Of course, Cersei is pregnant. Does than mean Daenerys will become pregnant, despite the prophecy? Will she have a human or a dragon? She is the Mother of Dragons, after all.

    bob sykes

    August 28, 2017 at EDT pm

    • Aunt, not sister.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      August 28, 2017 at EDT pm

      • Thanks, I don’t really understand all the geneologies.

        Bob Sykes

        August 28, 2017 at EDT pm

    • In case if forgot to mention on previous post, i’m hoping that it’s the Mountains baby, not Jamie’s. Or maybe that creepy measter of her’s. Or that the creepy maester used the Mountains seed to impregnate her.

      Anonymous Funk

      August 28, 2017 at EDT pm

  7. Tyrion is smart. But there’s a difference between smart and street-smart. It’s hard to outwit someone who’s devious and cunning if you’re not.

    “But then Daenerys threw everything away with the foolish expedition to capture the undead. Which Tyrion supported.”

    To be fair, neither of them believed the army of the dead even existed. So the expedition to retrieve a wight walker was as much for themselves.

    “If Tyrion was too stupid to figure out that Cersei was double-crossing them, why didn’t Varys’ spies know about Cersei hiring the Golden Company?”

    Because the eunuch is a mole. That’s why all their allies got slaughtered right after the first meeting. That’s also why Dany’s only victory is the one in which she attacked Jamie’s army impulsively. Had it not been spontaneous then Uncle Fester would have sent a raven and it would have gone badly as well. I look forward to seeing Butterbean caught and killed in dramatic fashion. Probably eaten by a dragon.

    “It seems too convenient that, off-camera, somehow Arya and Sansa got together, figure it all out, and plot the scene in the great hall where Littlefinger gets his deserved death sentence.”

    That was an awesome scene. How was it supposed to be a surprise if it hadn’t happened off camera?

    destructure

    August 28, 2017 at EDT pm

    • Your cultural insights are on the level of your political ones. “Awesome scene” lol.

      Magnavox

      August 28, 2017 at EDT pm

  8. The biggest mistake made in the series so far is the killing of Littlefinger in front of witnesses. It would have been much more effective if Sansa and Arya had decided to kill Littlefinger together, done it, and then had Arya take his face. IF everyone in Westeros assumes Littlefinger is alive, Arya can get a lot done wearing his face

    fajfa

    August 28, 2017 at EDT pm

  9. Great post. Soon you’ll be in my frame of mine: I only watch to remind myself how much it sucks. And to root for Cersei. Oh, and the Hound. He rocks.

    (ps. I think The Hound should have noticed and commented on The Mountains eyes. I would have been like “yo, bro, wtf is up with you???”)

    Anonymous Funk

    August 28, 2017 at EDT pm

    • @ AF

      He did basically say that. He said “What have they done to you?” Then he discarded the thought, saying “Doesn’t matter.”

      Lowe

      August 29, 2017 at EDT pm

  10. The reveal that Raegnar did not really rape and kidnap the Stark woman, making Jon Snow the rightful heir to the Iron Throne, still does not change the fact that the Mad King was a tyrant who brutally ruled over Westeros and was subsequently overthrown in a coup. The bloodlines do not matter. Otherwise, Daenarys would be Queen.

    I would rather see the Wight Walkers destroy Westeros than see a Targaeryn on the Throne.

    map

    August 28, 2017 at EDT pm

    • The important fact about Jon Snow is that his birth puts him ahead of Daenarys. So for those who do think bloodlines matter (i.e., monarchists), his claim is the superior one. The main innovation of hereditary monarchy (i.e., the idea that bloodlines matter) is that most of the time, who rules is not as important as the fact that everyone agrees on who rules. A bad, undisputed king is usually better than two or more potentially good kings engaged in a bloody war for the throne.

      And Cersei has no claim to the throne except again as a sort of coup. This is different from Robert Baratheon, who was actually next in line after the Mad King’s children and grandchildren. Accepting her claim is basically accepting that whoever is in a military position to seize King’s Landing at any point in time is the new ruler. This could lead to things like the Goldcloaks killing Cersei and selling the Throne to the highest bidder, and all the other chaos that characterized the collapse of Rome.

      The Mad King, for his part, provoked the label of “tyrant” mainly for his arbitrary brutality towards a handful of nobles. There’s no particular indication that the common folk fared especially poorly under his reign (and under their feudal structure, the vast majority of common folk were ruled by the same local lords both before and after the rebellion anyway).

      Wency

      August 29, 2017 at EDT am

      • @ Wency

        Why would Robert Baratheon be next in line for the throne after all the Targaryens? He isn’t related to them somehow, is he? I assumed he just took the throne by force.

        Lowe

        August 29, 2017 at EDT pm

      • Wency,

        What actually matters is that the Queen of the Iron Throne would have been a Stark. Thus, Jon Snow is actually the product of the Union of the two power centers in Westeros.

        map

        August 29, 2017 at EDT pm

    • @ map

      I hope they develop the Rhaegar and Leanna romance more. It’s almost the only interesting thing left in the show.

      Lowe

      August 29, 2017 at EDT pm

  11. Why doesn’t Frodo just put on the ring, kill all the white walkers, and find the very same drunken happiness with Tyrion that gay imps have been enjoying in San Francisco for decades?

    Seriously, this finale was disappointing. With Game of Thrones, I usually fall asleep on the couch before the credits roll (then I pick up where I left off the next evening). If I’m lucky, I drift off right as I get a glimpse of Sansa, so she can star in my middle aged dreams. There was a time in my teens, before women and kids and work, when I was able to follow multiple characters in a fantasy plot (I read the Dragonlance books, even the bad ones). But that train has left the station. These days I can barely follow those dumb shows where a house hunting couple is choosing between three homes.

    The undead dragon is a cool idea. Let’s give credit where credit is due.

    Lion needs to comment on the fact that liberals were Tweet-storming “See, walls don’t work!”. They think they’re so clever…

    Also, talk about Dragonlance.

    SWPL2

    August 29, 2017 at EDT am

    • The wall worked for 7000 years, it only stopped working because Westeros lost the political will to man the Night’s Watch.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      August 29, 2017 at EDT am

      • We have no idea why the wall all of a sudden didn’t work. As far as I can tell the wall was just super vulnerable to undead dragon attacks.

        Magnavox

        August 29, 2017 at EDT pm

      • The Wall fell because of Bran. A season or two ago, Bran was checking out the Night King’s army when the NK noticed him and grabbed his arm.

        That touch breached the defences of the 3 Eyed Raven’s tree and Bran and Meera feld. This is where we learned why Hodor only says Hodor.

        The theory has been that the NK touch is a key of sorts. When Bran finally returns to the Wall and passes through it, the magic preventing the dead crossing was removed, allowing the army of the NK to pass.

        Now you may ask, how would the NK be able to defeat these magic designed to stop him? It’s because Bran is the Night King. Dun, dunn, dunnnnnnn!

        ibejeph

        August 30, 2017 at EDT am

      • That’s just some fan theory and doesn’t explain why the night king just walked around norther of the wall aimlessly for however many seasons until he had an undead dragon.

        Magnavox

        September 1, 2017 at EDT am

  12. From the beginning, Dany should have showed up at Kings Landing in the dead of night with her 3 dragons, she could have rode in at night without being detected, flew straight to the palace and burned it down, then flew to the wall and burned that down. Then she could have sent her army in without any wall to defend the city. But that would not have been as interesting of a story.

    DataExplorer

    August 29, 2017 at EDT am

    • From the beginning, Dany should have showed up at Kings Landing in the dead of night with her 3 dragons, she could have rode in at night without being detected, flew straight to the palace and burned it down, then flew to the wall and burned that down. Then she could have sent her army in without any wall to defend the city. But that would not have been as interesting of a story.

      aegon’s conquest, with 3 dragons, actually is interesting. it took 3 years to complete, and dorne was never conquered because they used guerrilla tactics to neutralize the dragon advantage. so any military commander in westeros that knew history would copy that (plus the giant crossbow).

      so season 7 could have been like seasons 2-3 using the war of the five kings as the major plot. there would have been plenty of intrigue with various houses trying to arrange marriages with danaerys and/or jon, and decide whether to submit, or resist with cersi.

      • The problem is they want to make Dany into this magical social justice warrior who just traipses in and undoes all the compromise and reality of the existing political situation so that all the idiots at home can have someone they root for without any reservations.

        Magnavox

        August 29, 2017 at EDT pm

      • So her conquest of Westeros can’t made interesting and consistent with the tone of the earlier, far superior seasons.

        Magnavox

        August 29, 2017 at EDT pm

      • You cant shoot a crossbow at a dragon in the dead of night because it would be very difficult to see.

        The key to war is to press your advantage relentlessly when you have a heavy advantage. When you are the underdog, or things are about equal, then you must be very cautious and patient. Rather than marching her army all over the place and having it suffer fatigue and attrition (first to the Lannisters, then to Kings Landing, and now to the North, only to go back to Kings Landing after), she should have went straight for the jugular and hit Kings Landing in the dead of night, with Cersei killed, she could then mobilize everyone to defeat the white walkers. A three year guerilla war after all that is the easy part, that is just mopping up the remnants of any resistance.

        DataExplorer

        August 29, 2017 at EDT pm

      • Magnavox, Dany has done some pretty terrible things in this series. I do not think she is the SJW you make her out to be.

        She sacrificed her baby to bring Khal Drogo back as a zombie, crucified the nobles of the city she captured, killed the slavers she purchased the Unsullied from and turned Samwell Tarly’s brother and father into ashes. Not exactly the Queen of Social Justice.

        She’s not much better than what came before, honestly. It is Jon Snow who is truly different and with the better claim, too.

        ibejeph

        August 30, 2017 at EDT am

  13. So a Return of Kings article is perhaps onto something. GoT features mostly beta males and alpha women huh. http://www.returnofkings.com/127705/game-of-thrones-has-nothing-but-beta-males-and-alpha-women

    kurt123456789

    August 29, 2017 at EDT am

  14. the mission north of the wall convinced people south of the wall the threat is real* so it kind of worked. it’s just that cersi is a f*****g moron she thinks she has a chance to remain queen against an undead army.

    *stannis baratheon believed int he threat. this was a major reason i felt he deserved the throne.

    • Cersei is emerging as an intuitive strategic genius, as the most ‘antifragile’ ruler. She’s able to, at the same time, insist upon evidence before committing to a belief (let me see these undead) AND draw inferences and imagine scenarios based upon missing evidence or potentially implausible gaps in evidence (where’s that 3rd dragon? Why wasn’t it here?).

      Meanwhile she’s also inside everyone’s OODA loop running secret ops and feints.

      Too bad she’s got a defrocked Dr. Frankenstein as her obstetrician. Who knows what’s going on with that pregnancy.?

      Tyrion is having the higglies because he signed on as Hand to an ice queen logic justice Athena he could pedastalize and now he sees her as just another flawed –lovable but flawed woman. Meanwhile Cersei’s kicking his arse militarily and diplomatically and lo and behold she’s pregnant and cares. It’s the virgin-whore complex! Dany becomes human and loses stature in his eyes, whereas Cersei becomes human (not a monster, or maybe not just a monster but again a mother), and she gains stature in his eyes.

      CMC

      August 29, 2017 at EDT pm

  15. An interesting aspect to Sansa’s murder of Littlefinger is that it really was in her interest from a power politics standpoint. LIttlefinger controls the Vale by serving as regent to the mentally feeble Sweetrobin. Sansa’s only path to a position of true power is to essentially pull the same trick by marrying Sweetrobin. Littleginer was in her way, so she killed him.

    PerezHBD

    August 29, 2017 at EDT pm

  16. Terrible plotting all season, with lots of characters making stupid choices.

    The wall used to have a scorpio, which they used to kill a giant. That would have come in handy against the zombie dragon.

    Dave Pinsen

    August 29, 2017 at EDT pm

    • The wall used to have a scorpio, which they used to kill a giant. That would have come in handy against the zombie dragon.

      Only because the night king was dumb enough to attack one of the two tiny manned sections on a wall hundreds of miles long.

      Magnavox

      August 29, 2017 at EDT pm

  17. I think I’ve understood all what seems to be weird in that 7 series and that makes completely sense. But I’ve checked, and contrary to my understanding of who Jon Snow was, there has been no leaking, and I didn’t find anywhere the explanation. So I won’t give it here because it would be too much of a spoil.

    Bruno

    September 2, 2017 at EDT am


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