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HBD explains everything

The growing gap between black and white workers’ wages in the US is getting harder to explain.

This proves the truth of HBD when it explains the otherwise inexplicable. According to the article, the unexplained gap between white and black wages, that being the part that statistically can’t be explained by difference in education, geographic location, age, industry, etc., has been growing.

They say it must be discrimination! Racism! Discrimination! But how can that be when there has never been less discrimination and never been more affirmative action?

But HBD explains everything. Affirmative action means that a black with a college degree has a significantly lower IQ than a white with the same college degree. (Of course, we mean on average, and not that every single white has a higher IQ than every single black.) This IQ difference translates into a real difference in their quality of work, and the whites ultimately (on average) get paid more because of their greater value (on average) to the company. But the difference isn’t really that great. 70% of a white American’s (average) wages is massively higher than the average salary in Africa, Mexico, or China.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

September 11, 2017 at 9:15 am

Posted in Biology

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  1. Lion should endeavor to try and measure the total value of the diversity tax that white America pays. This is boundless meme potential.

    Andrew E.

    September 11, 2017 at 9:21 am

    • They say it must be discrimination! Racism! Discrimination!

      Any study now that fixates on only “black and white differences” in anything is fraudulent.

      If you are going to ignore Asians and East Indians and hispanics and the Jewish subset of the White group then you have made your study racially fraudulent from the outset.

      Those black/white studies are simply designed to avoid dangerous truths and to pretend disparities are always due to white racism against black innocent victims.

      It’s not an honest, rational assessment of reality.

      Rifleman

      September 11, 2017 at 1:33 pm

  2. Lion, listening to pod cast made me think of you and your thoughts on Trump, class and politics:

    Start around 1 hour and 7 minutes mark.

    Imperial Energy

    September 11, 2017 at 9:32 am

  3. But saying that blacks have lower iqs than whites with degrees from the same colleges is not HBD. It’s perfectly possible to have a society where HBD is true but that blacks have higher IQs than whites at the same colleges.

    This is the so called motte and bailey strategy, where you’re arguing something clearly true (that blacks have lower iqs than the whites they goto college with) and then using that “victory” to say that you’ve established HBD as true.

    Magnavox

    September 11, 2017 at 9:36 am

    • It would have been better for him to say that after approximately 60+ years of searching and an incomparable investment of resources no remotely credible alternate hypothesis backed by evidence, subject to falsification and building off of or combining previously proven hypothesis has been developed. This absence of proof for an alternate hypothesis being now so evident that most efforts at providing an alternate belief system to HBD are concentrated on building up critique culture reputation attack cadres in cultural institutions such as academia, government and the media for the purpose of protecting the equalitarianism superstition from being undermined and thus undermining the redistributionist value of bogus reparations claims.

      Curle

      September 11, 2017 at 10:45 am

      • The smart thing is to say that the disparity is explained by affirmative action. That’s really banal but it’s accurate. The HBD stuff is equally banal at this blog and idiotic in this context.

        Magnavox

        September 11, 2017 at 3:56 pm

      • If it’s so banal and idiotic, why read the blog?

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        September 11, 2017 at 3:58 pm

    • Your argument clearly necessitates that you ignore and reframe what Lion said, in a desperate attempt to babble incoherently against any point made in regard to inter-group comparisons.

      What Lion stated is that affirmative action assures that blacks with the same degree as whites will have lower IQ. What you ask us to assume, but which has never happened and will never happen in practice, is that meritocratic admissions can lead to a black group with higher IQs than the white group.

      Affirmative action is specifically designed to allow lower performing individuals admittance, thus the lower IQ assurance.

      No, it isn’t possible that there would be a higher IQ black group at a University, in comparison with a White group, in meritocratic admissions unless whites were deliberately selected only from the first standard deviation in their bell curve or less, and blacks selected from their second standard deviation to their maximum point of significant and measurable existence on the bell curve.

      In your though experiment, and in reality, you largely wouldn’t be drawing from a population of mixed race individuals that might skew the bell curve. And if you did, you would simply be measuring the effect of European genes intermixed with the black population: which defeats your point regardless.

      While there is significant IQ crossover between groups, with Whites outnumbering Blacks on the right side of the Bell curve and Blacks outnumbering Whites on the Left, there is a point on the Right side that eventually sees significant white distribution and almost no black distribution. In meritocratic college admissions, these individuals generally receive preference.

      Moreover, other factors, which determine outcome in other areas of life as well as the ultimate function and feel of society (“feel” being defined in this response in terms of how a variety of population dependent factors convene to impart quality of life as perceived by an individual), such as tendencies toward civil vs criminal behavior, sexual behavior, cognitive function apart from a crude IQ number, etc. all determine how functional blacks actually are. To wit, give me a 110 IQ white person over a 110 IQ black person every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

      David

      September 11, 2017 at 1:02 pm

  4. I think all this research really proves is that “white college grad” and “black college grad” are not equivalent measures of competency.

    This would be true even in the absence of affirmative action — more blacks would go to marginal colleges, more whites to elite schools.

    As more people go to college, judging someone’s capabilities by their status as a college grad becomes less and less useful.

    Wency

    September 11, 2017 at 9:37 am

  5. I would guess that the massive influx of Hispanics into the United States has a lot to do with it. It used to be that there were a lot of decent paying low skill jobs done by black people. Now most of those jobs are done by Hispanics.

    My impression is that affirmative action is a great bonanza for blacks in the top 10% or so, but as you go down the socio-economic scale it becomes less and less important. How often do you hear roofing contractors announcing that they need a more diverse crew of laborers?

    fortaleza84

    September 11, 2017 at 10:33 am

    • Prole’s don’t believe in affirmative action, and roofing contractors are proles.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      September 11, 2017 at 10:50 am

      • The roofing contractors have always been overwhelming white, but before the Hispanic immivasion the workers were disproportionately black. Sure they weren’t rich, but they’d never starve either.

        Jew613

        September 11, 2017 at 8:47 pm

      • “Sure they weren’t rich, but they’d never starve either.”

        Didn’t this line come from “Fiddler on the Roof.” Tevye says this and then says “After all, as the good book says….” Golda interrupts him saying “The good book can wait” and lets him know that it’s time for supper.

        But it’s OK if you want to use a line from “Fiddler.” I mean it’s not like it spoils some vast eternal plan.

        maryk

        September 11, 2017 at 10:12 pm

    • Roofing contractors want immigration. I’m sure the smart ones couch that desire in terms of diversity, nation of immigrants, unbearable whiteness, etc.

      Magnavox

      September 11, 2017 at 3:52 pm

      • And even the not very bright ones complain about white people not working hard enough or not being willing to do the job . So if diversity is just less white people then they almost all talk about diversity.

        Magnavox

        September 11, 2017 at 3:53 pm

  6. They say it must be discrimination! Racism! Discrimination! But how can that be when there has never been less discrimination and never been more affirmative action?

    Well, they would just reject your statement that there has never been less discrimination and more affirmative action. The idea that differences are because of racism and discrimination is axiomatic and cannot be questioned. Therefore, the fact that the wage gap has widened will be taken as prima facie evidence that there must in fact be more discrimination and racism, and insufficient affirmative action, now as compared to the past.

    Hermes

    September 11, 2017 at 10:37 am

  7. The Hive Mind factor is the other major explanatory factor for large productivity disparities between populations. The quantum of benefits lies not only in what smarter people can do for themselves but also in what they can do as a group and what they can deter their dumber members from doing. This may explain why Africans when subject to some degree of control by higher performing outsiders do better themselves; think South Africa vs Zimbabwe.

    Curle

    September 11, 2017 at 10:54 am

    • “This may explain why Africans when subject to some degree of control by higher performing outsiders do better themselves; think South Africa vs Zimbabwe.”

      Let’s not forget that it was the colonial power that provided roads, bridges, tunnels, electricity, sewer systems, schools and hospitals. None of these advances would have appeared without the evil, racist white man.

      Lewis Medlock

      September 11, 2017 at 11:46 am

    • Colonialism was the best thing to ever happen to the 3rd world. It introduced manufacturing and cash crops. tied people into a global trade network. And, as you’ve already mentioned, introduced infrastructure, education, medicine, etc. Colonial powers even stopped tribal wars and slavery. The standard of living and life expectancy of native populations increased dramatically under colonialism. Meanwhile, it cost the home countries money because those improvements were paid for by taxpayers.

      Yet, today, you’ll hear the canard that former colonies are poor because they were looted. It was the opposite. Studies show that african countries who’ve been independent longest perform worst, With the ones who were never colonies faring worst of all. The opposite of what one would expect had colonialism been harmful. They’ve declined because they neglected the infrastructure and can’t maintain the industry.

      Some clever person will probably wonder why colonial powers did it if it cost them money. The answer is that private companies were using their own government to fund the improvements necessary for them to conduct business such as ports, bridges, roads, etc. But the benefits resulting from those improvements went to the companies as profits and natives as higher wages. It was a 19th century version of outsourcing with the added bonus of having taxpayers foot the bill.

      destructure

      September 11, 2017 at 12:53 pm

      • Yep, just ask South Africa if whites should pull out in their entirety. Threaten that, and one would quickly discover what is actually thought about colonialism.

        Anti-colonialism is generally just a demand to give someone the wheel of a car that was built and paid for by someone else, while demanding of this someone else that they largely keep funding it, maintaining it, and polishing it. Even while sometimes implicitly demanding that the maintenance party give the neighbors the impression that it is the driver who maintains the car.

        They don’t want you to actually take the car away that they can barely drive let alone keep on the road.

        David

        September 11, 2017 at 1:48 pm

  8. Indeed it does. A variant of what I say (coined from a Black friend) “HBD explains it all.”

    JayMan

    September 11, 2017 at 10:59 am

  9. There is a big gap in IQ between elite college black and white grads. But 80% of college grads went to non selective places that admit 80-100% of applicants. So probably the overall BW college grad IQ gap is only about 3-4 points.

    Pop

    September 11, 2017 at 11:52 am

    • Nah, if there is, say, 100% admissions, a policy that makes affirmative action functionally impossible and that assumes that they will not run out of seats, than the IQ gap would reflect the IQ gap in the general population of high school graduates.

      Also, whites will outnumber blacks at most such Universities that likely draw students from out of state because there are more whites and a higher rate of white high school graduates.

      At local 100% admission community colleges in black areas, you often see blacks outnumbering whites, though usually not to the percentage that they do in the surrounding community due to the aforementioned group differences in HS graduation rates.

      Either way, the IQ gap will continue to exist in at such Universities roughly to the degree that it does for the high school graduate populations.

      Which is much higher than 3-4 points (and ignoring that such a small gap would be difficult to measure reliably).

      If there is 90% admissions, without affirmative action and with equal or even representational application rates between groups, then the black group will represent the bulk of that 10% rejection rate given the IQ distribution.

      In addition, the White group will make up a much larger percentage of the accepted 90%. However, within that accepted 90%, once all of the whites who are admitted that fall well beyond the black bell curve are controlled for (say 10 of 100 hypothetical seats), then the remaining hypothetical 90 seats would go to black and white candidates who had comparable IQs.

      But, again, a significantly larger percentage would go to adequate IQ Whites because they outnumber blacks in the population, both as a function of total numbers and as a percentage of their group. Also, it’s not really appropriate to control for the exceptionally high IQ Whites who would take seats.

      If there is 90% admissions with affirmative action, then the 100 hypothetical seats would be populated by a mix of higher IQ whites, probably even skewed to be higher than normal because there would be more average but adequate whites eliminated in favor of lower IQ blacks, and a more populous black group at the cost of a lower average IQ for that group.

      So, in this instance, you likely have a greater number of exceptional whites going to school with a greater number of unexceptional blacks. This dynamic changes in theory as the school becomes more elite, as they supposedly go after exceptional blacks, but what I’ve seen in practice tells me that the gap between the general Ivy black student group and the White students remains laughably large. That being said, they also allow in a (smaller percentage) of whites who also don’t belong there.

      In sum, affirmative action skews the market in a manner that disadvantages everyone, eventually, because it lowers the market perception of the university and the degree with time. It’s largely feel-good exercise that asks as its cost the reputation of universities, the soundness of their curriculums, and even the quality of professors (affirmative action professors are universally a nightmare).

      David

      September 11, 2017 at 1:40 pm

      • “affirmative action skews the market in a manner that disadvantages everyone,”

        I disagree, blacks who get admitted to an elite university on account of affirmative action get great deal of advantage out of AA.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        September 11, 2017 at 2:14 pm

  10. If you tell people what the reason for the difference they’ll get angry. Instead, force people to realize it themselves. If anyone points out the gap simply say, “That doesn’t make sense. Studies show that blacks with an IQ of 100 earn the same as whites with an IQ of 100. So how can the average income be lower?”

    destructure

    September 11, 2017 at 1:08 pm


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