Lion of the Blogosphere

The Orville

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Instead of the United Federation of Planets, Captain Mercer works for Planetary Union Central. Instead of a Warp Drive, his ship has a Quantam Drive. There was a holosuite, but no transporter. The enemy race, the Krill, look a lot like the Jem’Hadar from Deep Space Nine.

I don’t think it’s as bad as the negative reviews. But I also don’t think it’s as good as I had hoped. The jokes weren’t as funny in the context of an episiode as they were in the trailer. It’s worth giving it a few episodes to see if it gets better. How many bad episodes of Star Trek: TNG were there before Riker grew a beard? And even after he grew a beard, it still sucked. The best TNG episode, “The Inner Light,” didn’t happen until the end of the fifth season.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

September 11, 2017 at 7:57 pm

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  1. By the way, I’ve been enjoying the Greatest Generation podcast lately, which reviews each episode of The Next Generation (the podcast is a comedy: it’s that kind of review). I’m not a big Star Trek person myself but I watched a lot of TNG as a kid and it’s fun to go back and revisit all the goofball plots of the episodes. The hosts are certainly Star Trek fans, but they are happy to call a bad episode bad (and, as they’ve alluded to, really the show is more fun when the episodes are bad).

    https://art19.com/shows/the-greatest-generation

    Greg Pandatshang

    September 11, 2017 at 8:04 pm

  2. Did you ever watch Deep Space Nine? That’s the only one I liked although maybe I just need to give the other ones more of a chance.

    Magnavox

    September 11, 2017 at 8:11 pm

    • I agree that Deep Space Nine is better than TNG and Voyager.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      September 11, 2017 at 8:16 pm

      • There was one very cool mystery about Voyager: what crew were we watching between the episodes “Demon” and “Course: Oblivion?” Was it the real McCoy (no pun intended) or the replicas?

        Stealth

        September 11, 2017 at 8:24 pm

  3. I watched it. It wasn’t horrible, but it was lackluster. It deserves one more episode, at least.

    One criticism so far: it seems to be trying to be a (semi-serious) sci-fi show and a (very watered-down) MacFarlane comedy show. It may not be possible to do both at the same time.

    JayMan

    September 11, 2017 at 8:11 pm

    • Looks like McFarlane himself wrote the first episode. Because he’s so well known for Family Guy and American Dad, most people probably assume he’s more involved in episode writing than he really is.

      Stealth

      September 11, 2017 at 8:28 pm

    • Hour shows are drama. Half hour are comedy. My suspicion is that comedy is harder and there’s not enough material for a full hour.

      JW Bell

      September 11, 2017 at 9:16 pm

      • It seems to me that it’s hard for something to be funny for longer than 22 minutes.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        September 11, 2017 at 9:26 pm

      • “It seems to me that it’s hard for something to be funny for longer than 22 minutes.”

        Galaxy Quest had a runtime of 102 minutes, so it’s not impossible. But it’s hard to see how writers could sustain that over the span of a whole TV season.

        Comic Book Nerd

        September 12, 2017 at 4:24 am

  4. Gothamette asked about the Bannon interview, and the consensus on NeoGaf was that Charlie Rose “exposed” Bannon and now people will finally see through the alt right.

    Keep in mind these people think that Acosta absolutely destroyed Miller during their exchange.

    Otis the Sweaty

    September 11, 2017 at 9:10 pm

    • I watched the beginning of Acosta-Miller. Too cringe to watch the bulk of it. Not that Miller did bad. I thought he did great. But it left me with this sinking feeling that no one should ever try to have a serious conversation in person. If you have something important to say, not just “So how is the weather?”, you need write that down. All in-person discussion does is create the illusion that someone like Acosta is operating on the same level as Miller, e.g. it makes sense for Acosta to interrupt in order to “clarify” something.

      Greg Pandatshang

      September 13, 2017 at 2:42 am

  5. Ted is about as funny as MacFarlane got. I actually enjoy him more as a singer.

    Sgt. Joe Friday

    September 11, 2017 at 10:52 pm

  6. Orville was kind of lame ( hero is a cuck, but McFarlane aware of that probably) but Rick and Morty was the bomb last night. 22 minute episodes Lion.

    Paul Rise

    September 11, 2017 at 11:46 pm

    • Rick and Morty is great sci-fi comedy. Dan Harmon and Justin Roiland brought on-board a number of female writers this season. I was afraid it would adversely effect the quality of the episodes — too many punches pulled — but I am happy to see it hasn’t.

      Comic Book Nerd

      September 12, 2017 at 3:40 am

      • Agree with everything you said here.

        Futurama also belongs on the top tier of sci-fi comedy. Not sure which I like more. But very glad that R&M is here to fill in the gap left by Futurama.

        I notice Lion doesn’t ever seem to talk about animation. I wonder if it’s an age gap. I think Lion was born around 1970, making him about 20 or a little older when the Simpsons first came out in 1990. That’s right around the cut-off point for people who are rarely big fans of animation; they grew up associating it with kiddie stuff, Hanna Barbera and the like.

        People younger than Lion were trained that animation is where all the most cutting-edge humor takes place, and live-action sitcoms are for old people. Though everyone loved Seinfeld.

        Wency

        September 12, 2017 at 8:00 am

      • My favorite animated show was The Critic.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        September 12, 2017 at 9:41 am

      • This is Rick and Morty’s take on the “The Inner Light”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szzVlQ653as

        Magnavox

        September 12, 2017 at 2:30 pm

      • Ha! Maybe I have to watch that show.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        September 12, 2017 at 8:33 pm

      • The Critic was definitely good. The first good show to be inspired by the Simpsons. Too bad it didn’t stick.

        Wency

        September 12, 2017 at 5:02 pm

  7. Won’t look at the smug punchable face of macfarlane. The guy is rich, rich hack.

    fakeemail

    September 11, 2017 at 11:52 pm

  8. I wouldn’t call the first episode brilliant but it was enjoyable. I hope the execs give it a chance. Unfortunately, I think they may be quicker to pull the plug since it’s not like the other ST’s.

    destructure

    September 12, 2017 at 12:01 am

    • I can’t lie, I did laugh my ass off at one moment in the show.

      JayMan

      September 12, 2017 at 12:34 pm

      • Maybe the joke was ruined for me because I already laughed at it when I watched the preview ad, which was hilarious.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        September 12, 2017 at 2:14 pm

  9. It’s not much of a compliment to Star Trek: TNG that the best episode is the one that is basically a stand-alone episode involving very little of the regular sets and cast other than Stewart.

    The Star Trek drinking game made TNG fun to watch in college. Now I don’t really know anybody who’d be willing to play it, and I haven’t watched a Star Trek episode in years.

    Dave Pinsen

    September 12, 2017 at 1:01 am

  10. I kinda liked it. I walked out of the last Star Trek Movie around the time Ohuru starting kicking alien butt.

    Anonymous Funk

    September 12, 2017 at 1:26 am

  11. If you want to see a good spoof of Star Trek with great characters who really lands the jokes, try “Other Space”. It takes the poz in Star Trek — its multiculturalism — and turns it up to eleven. Only one season is available though. Yahoo was the production company, and Yahoo sold itself to Verizon before a second season could be made. The series was obviously made on a tight budge — like the original Start Trek — which meant the writing had to carry the water to make it succeed.

    https://www.yahoo.com/tv/video/episode-1-great-beyond-beyond-070100400.html

    Its episodes are a half hour long each — the right format for comedy.

    Comic Book Nerd

    September 12, 2017 at 3:00 am

    • I grew up watching the original Star Trek, and Lost in Space. Dr. Zachary Smith was the character you loved to hate.

      Steve

      September 12, 2017 at 8:46 am

      • Dr Smith changed radically. At the beginning he was a dark and serious Soviet spy! Later he was a blundering blubbering boobie.

        Steve@steve.com

        September 12, 2017 at 6:09 pm

  12. First of all, TRT definitely works. It is no placebo.

    Whether or not you are a good candidate for TRT depends on how low your T levels are, why you want to raise them and why you have low T in the first place.

    The average adult male probably has a T level of about 450 and 900 ng/ml, depending on their diet, genetics, exposure to environmental estrogens and their fitness level. TRT will get you to 1200 to 1500, which is the highest level of T that is safe for a man to sustain.

    If you want to raise your T levels for the purpose of building muscle mass, higher T might not make as much of a difference as you would think. When taking steroids, men get their T levels to over 3000 ng/ml, which is unsafe. TRT by itself likely will only get you to 1500 at most, probably more like 1200, and that will not cause you to add much muscle unless you were at a very low T level to begin with.

    Otis the Sweaty

    September 12, 2017 at 7:26 am

    • I doubt the average man has a T level of 450 plus, and I’d be surprised if an endrocrinologist targeted a level of 1200 with TRT.

      Dave Pinsen

      September 12, 2017 at 5:39 pm

  13. TRT may also not even be necessary. If there is no medical reason for your low T then you can naturally raise your testosterone by doing the following:
    1. Avoid prescription drugs
    2. Avoid dairy fat. Modern dairy has massive amounts of estrogen and that estrogen is all in the fat. Fat free dairy products are fine.
    3. Get sufficient sleep every night
    4. Lift heavy weights but don’t overtrain
    5. Avoid severe stress. On the same note, daily meditation can raise T levels by reducing stress.
    6. Get all the micronutrients that are vital to T production
    7. Consume anti estrogenic foods/supplements
    8. Drop excess body fat
    9. Do a one week fast every 3 months (doing so causes a 400+ rise in T levels and such elevated levels persist for at least a month)

    Otis the Sweaty

    September 12, 2017 at 7:26 am

    • “Modern dairy has massive amounts of estrogen and that estrogen is all in the fat. Fat free dairy products are fine.”

      Does that apply to organic/grass fed dairy as well? Is the estrogen natural or from hormones used to spur milk production?

      And also, fat free dairy isn’t as healthy (ignoring hormones for the mo) because you don’t absorb the nutrients as well without fat being present.

      “Do a one week fast every 3 months”

      Can you define a “one week fast”? Is that water-only for a week? I do the occasional 24-hour fast (as per Mangan) but a week seems difficult to manage for an old fart like me.

      peterike

      September 12, 2017 at 1:05 pm

      • Also, it’s the cholesterol in the dairy that causes more T, according to someone on the internet.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        September 12, 2017 at 2:15 pm

      • 1. Yes, all dairy fat unless you are someplace like Mongolia will raise your estrogen/lower your T. Anabolicmen has an article about it. I take a calcium supplement now to deal with no longer having dairy, although you can also switch to skim milk or even fortified orange juice if you prefer.

        2. Correct, one week with 0 calories, only water. It is possible that a shorter fast would have similar results, but unfortunately we only have data for 1 week fasts. If you can’t do it, try a “dry” fast, where you consume no food, no water and don’t even shower or brush your teeth. Doing such a fast will keep the hunger under control and since dry fasting is more effective, should only need to be done for 3 days to get the same results as a 7 day water fast. However you will have to essentially do 0 activity for those 3 days or you will dehydrate and die. You can have healthy T levels without fasting but only regular, extended fasting will get you to your maximum possible natural T levels. For the record, my longest ever fast was 48 hours. I always decide that I would prefer lower T to that level of hunger.

        For my part, I’m still working on the “no prescription medication” part. I just cannot get off my anti depressants. I am down to 37.5 mg from 150 mg but every time I have tried to get off completely I have relapsed. Next month I will try weaning off 10mg at a time.

        Otis the Sweaty

        September 12, 2017 at 2:35 pm

      • “according to someone on the internet”. Lol lion. Good one.

        Steve@steve.com

        September 12, 2017 at 6:10 pm

      • Yes, all dairy fat unless you are someplace like Mongolia will raise your estrogen/lower your T.

        How much estrogen does dairy increase men’s estrogen levels by? Men naturally produce certain levels of estrogen and their hormone system is good at regulating any imbalances.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        September 12, 2017 at 6:35 pm

    • I can only think of two reasons to “raise your T” — (1) get stronger; (2) be motivated to fuk your boring girlfriend more frequently so she’ll stop being such a bitch. If (1) is your goal, just eat as much as you can, including as much cheese as possible. The heavier you are, the stronger you’ll be.

      If “fasting” raises your T, then sticking pins into your forearms until you’re drenched in blood will probably raise your T even more effectively, with less damage to your mind and body.

      Garr

      September 12, 2017 at 3:36 pm

  14. If you are unable/unwilling to do these things or if they can’t get your T levels as high as you would like, then yes you are a great candidate for TRT. TRT is extremely effective but it is expensive, it’s a hassle and it completely shuts down your bodies natural T production and for those reasons I would avoid it unless low T is seriously impacting your quality of life and you are unable to remedy it naturally.

    For more information about how to naturally raise your T levels, check out the site anabolicmen.

    Otis the Sweaty

    September 12, 2017 at 7:27 am

    • I don’t know whom you’re addressing your comments to, but your analysis is more or less correct.

      I would, however, state that most docs don’t want your levels to exceed 1,100 ng/dL.

      I also think that it’s very difficult to get your natural T levels up once you reach a certain age. I’m 38, and I felt low T symptoms when I became 33. I tried basically everything you stated up top, and the only thing that worked is to reduce stress. But it was impossible for me to keep a low-stress level while maintaining my career in NYC. Eventually I threw in the towel and went on TRT.

      DdR

      September 12, 2017 at 2:09 pm

      • what makes you so sure that there wasn’t a medical reason for your low T?

        Otis the Sweaty

        September 12, 2017 at 2:38 pm

      • My doctor didn’t find anything wrong. I can only attribute it to stress.

        I did take clomid for a bit and my test shot up over 1,100 ng/dL and my sperm quality was through the rough, so it’s not primary hypogonadism.

        DdR

        September 12, 2017 at 5:40 pm

  15. A ship named the Orville has to have a crew member named Smuckers.

    Also, it is a long-established tradition in Star Trek that the babe on the bridge must wear a catsuit. Palicki has major babe hotness and should be in the catsuit.

    That said, comedy is the hardest thing to do. If the show survives, it will likely evolve into a regular space opera. Hopefully, Palicki will keep the catsuit.

    bob sykes

    September 12, 2017 at 7:38 am

  16. Supposedly the Hillary people are all lining up behind Kamala Harris?

    Can anybody explain to me the thinking of the Dems on this one? Why Harris? What is her appeal? Why aren’t the Dems backing Booker?

    I had assumed it was going to be Biden, but Dem primary voters are extremely obedient and if the establishment says to vote for Harris, then they probably will. Biden will probably win IA and NH but then Booker will sweep the South on the back of heavy black support and that will be all she wrote.

    I feel much better about our chance against Kamala than Biden. Kamala is a shrill woman who is dating an ugly Jewish guy, she isn’t going to be able to goose the turnout of young black men like Obama could. And not only will she scare off Romney/Clinton voters but she will simultaneously manage to do even worse that Hillary did amongst the WWC. If the Dems are stupid enough to run Kamala I say that Trump wins 51 to 48 instead of the 49.5 to 49.5 he gets against Biden.

    Otis the Sweaty

    September 12, 2017 at 9:06 am

    • History shows that women don’t do well in Presidential elections. Geraldine Ferraro. Sarah Palin. Hillary Clinton. Going to that well again is just stupidity.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      September 12, 2017 at 9:44 am

    • My comment back from Feb. 1:

      Duckworth is funny looking, Booker is a moron, Biden is ancient and Gillibrand is white. No, I think someone like Kamala Harris will rise to the top for the Dems. Black, female, photogenic, can speak in front of people.

      https://lionoftheblogosphere.wordpress.com/2017/01/31/trump-nominates-neil-gorsuch-for-supreme-court/#comment-132943

      Andrew E.

      September 12, 2017 at 10:20 am

    • You underestimate her appeal. She’s attractive (for a politician), with precisely the kind of mixed look magazines like to push as “The Future Face of America”. America’s white women are being absolutely brainwashed at every turn to admire black men and women (TV shows, print advertising, film etc.). It’s relentless and it’s working.

      The Dems can unite: white women, Asian women, black women, beta-men, and (possibly) a larger block of the Latino vote. What if they had Biden as VP? Now that would be an interesting ticket. It brings back Obama-era “feels”.

      If that lady wins, you can expect a public doxxing of every commenter on this site. The good news is that we can finally have an awkward, semi-autistic party and discuss our perceived superiority over IPA’s and prole snacks. The only question is: who will invite the sex bots?

      SWPL2

      September 12, 2017 at 10:49 am

      • Sexbots don’t need an invitation, you just buy them like slaves.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        September 12, 2017 at 10:55 am

      • If blacks had turned out and voted as they did for the two Obama elections, Hillary would probably have won, most likely in PA. She lost close to 10 points there among black men, plus something like 25% fewer blacks showed up.

        So the Dems are starting to feel they have to run a black candidate. But the candidate can’t be too black — it has to be an eloquent, mixed-race sort, or else too many whites in middle America will be turned off.

        My theory: black women love to vote for a black man, but black men are less keen to vote for a black woman (“I’m with HER” — how embarrassing), so her performance with blacks will be somewhere between Obama and Hillary.

        Trump has to win a LOT of white votes next time. Trying to win the election while losing the popular vote by several points is like trying to win a football game while scoring fewer touchdowns. I wouldn’t bank on it happening again.

        Wency

        September 12, 2017 at 5:46 pm

      • Most of the extra HRC votes were in California. No matter by how large of a percentage one wins California, it’s always the same number of electoral votes.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        September 12, 2017 at 5:49 pm

      • For the Dem primary Booker’s hold on the black vote is shakier than Obama’s was because Booker is gay.

        Harris is in a better position than Booker but she doesn’t seem as driven as either Obama or Hillary to get to the White House. She’s also more gaffe prone than the very scripted Obama.

        And both Booker and Harris may have more corruption skeletons in their closet than 2008 Obama because both have been in Democrat machine politics longer than Obama.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        September 12, 2017 at 6:30 pm

    • One problem with Kamala Harris is she’s not that smart.

      Dave Pinsen

      September 12, 2017 at 5:44 pm

      • All I see is her spouting the same liberal crap as every other Democrat would. Being part of the groupthink makes her normal, not stupid. We at this blog are the weird ones because we think independently.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        September 12, 2017 at 5:47 pm

      • That’s not even a dumb part of liberal groupthink. Everyone who thinks people should be allowed to practice their religion thinks there need to be limits to what people can do in the name of religion.

        There are plenty of liberals who flip out when someone gets denied service because they’re gay but advocate for doing the same thing to groups they dislike. That would be a better example.

        Magnavox

        September 12, 2017 at 6:07 pm

      • Are there any liberals you consider to be independent thinkers?

        GondwanaMan

        September 12, 2017 at 9:48 pm

      • “Are there any liberals you consider to be independent thinkers?”

        Karl Marx was an independent thinker. No modern liberals would fit that definition.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        September 12, 2017 at 10:00 pm

      • Karl Marx is one the giants. You should also read more of the following:

        Peter Singer
        Jane Jacobs
        Robert Lindsay (the blogger)
        Jayman
        Slavoj Zizek (I just found out about him)
        Jonathan Haidt
        Gregory Clark

        GondwanaMan

        September 13, 2017 at 10:57 am

      • Also Robert Trivers.

        GondwanaMan

        September 13, 2017 at 8:59 pm

  17. why “star wars,” is better than “star trek.” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmRouEds_2A

  18. Nothing to say on the threat of amnesty ahead?

    Dan

    September 12, 2017 at 1:27 pm

  19. I’m not a huge Trekkie but I FUCKING LOVE Family Guy and I even like Seth McFarlane’s singing, so of course I’m gonna watch this. I’m sure it’ll get better.

    GondwanaMan

    September 12, 2017 at 1:36 pm

    • You still like Family Guy?

      Magnavox

      September 12, 2017 at 2:32 pm

      • Family Guy is genius, I don’t care what anyone says

        GondwanaMan

        September 12, 2017 at 3:08 pm

  20. About 20% of critics liked “The Orville.” 90% of actual people liked it:

    https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/orville/s01

    I am willing to bet that “Star Trek: Discovery” will get a higher rank than “The Orville” did among critics and lower rank among non-critics.

    Comic Book Nerd

    September 12, 2017 at 7:54 pm

  21. You want a show that illustrates what The Orville should be striving for? The Good Guys (2010 Fox).

    It’s a non-serious dramady buddy cop show that parodies the 1980s. It doesn’t take itself seriously at all, and can be over-the-top at moments but not terribly so, but it was fucking funny and had a compelling story. Sadly it only lasted one season, but it too had a big disparity between what viewers and critics thought about the show. The Good Guys demonstrates it’s totally possible to do what The Orville is trying to do.

    JayMan

    September 13, 2017 at 12:24 pm


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