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Old people in Florida need electricity to live

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/multiple-deaths-reported-fla-irma-wake-poses-new-threats-article-1.3492623

Without electricity for air conditioning, they are dying from the heat. Maybe Florida isn’t such a good place to retire after all?

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

September 13, 2017 at 10:13 am

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  1. Good article on how Florida is really uninhabitable without a lot of human engineering

    http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/09/08/hurricane-irma-florida-215586

    Jeremy Cooper

    September 13, 2017 at 10:17 am

    • Interesting article, but isn’t the same thing true of much of the American Southwest? Granted, it’s not humid there so there aren’t a lot of mosquitos, and building there didn’t require draining a swamp, but LA and Phoenix basically couldn’t exist without modern engineering delivering massive amounts of water from elsewhere.

      Hermes

      September 13, 2017 at 1:30 pm

      • Phoenix is a desert and hotter than Vegas. LA is a nice climate just not enough water. If LA had only couple million people there’d be plenty of water.

        JW Bell

        September 13, 2017 at 8:26 pm

      • Not without the aqueduct system. According to the Wikipedia article, in 1900, the population of 102,000 was already putting pressure on the city’s water supply, spurring construction of the Los Angeles Aqueduct.

        Hermes

        September 13, 2017 at 11:03 pm

    • “Miami wasn’t even incorporated as a city until 1896. And even then an early visitor declared that if he owned Miami and hell, he would rent out Miami and live in hell.”

      Sounds about right.

      Rosenmops

      September 13, 2017 at 1:57 pm

    • Well, living a WEIRD lifestyle that is. People can scratch out a miserable existence most anywhere if you don’t mind living like a Bushman.

      Lion: I appreciate your website precisely because I don’t have to call Bushmen some bullshit word like Kung-san. Thank you.

      gothamette

      September 13, 2017 at 2:13 pm

    • Yes. Not just Florida but the entire deep south.

      Trag

      September 13, 2017 at 4:12 pm

    • That was a great read.

      TWO IN THE BUSH

      September 13, 2017 at 5:36 pm

  2. My uncle, who has lived in West Palm Beach almost his whole life, when he wasn’t on the beaches in S Pacific, and then Korean Peninsula, raised as a coastal fisherman, has always said, “when A/C came to Florida, they absolutely RUINT it” Condos, concrete, malls plugged shoreline, every plot sold by the sq inch at “best practices”, meaning highest possible valuation, eventually, like everywhere, “gentrifying” the whole tropical paradise.
    Without AC, Florida like TX, would have about 1/2 the population it supports as a paradise….

    Buroaker

    September 13, 2017 at 10:21 am

    • “Half” the population is vastly overestimating it. FL Is really insufferable without AC, especially as you get further south.

      FL in 1900 had 500,000 people — a really tiny population for a long-established state on the Eastern Seaboard. Granted, disease was also a factor. South Dakota had 400,000 at the time.

      But even places like GA are much more tolerable in summer than FL.

      Wency

      September 13, 2017 at 3:57 pm

  3. According to Seinfeld, which is more or less my Bible, old people in Florida don’t need air conditioning.

    ice hole

    September 13, 2017 at 11:09 am

    • I’m glad to hear you say that – most people won’t admit it. What would you say is the truest observation ever uttered on the show?

      Explainer 21

      September 13, 2017 at 4:45 pm

      • I don’t know about a single “truest observation” — too many to choose from — but anything that dealt with the tip-toeing on eggshells aspects of NYC racial PC was generally amusingly and insightfully done.

        I particularly like the episode where Elaine suspects, but isn’t quite sure that, her boyfriend is a very light-skinned black guy. At the very end, we discover that he is in fact white, but that he was dating her under the misapprehension that she was hispanic (a clever and unexpected twist). When they discover they’re both simply white, they are at first mildly disappointed by the ordinariness of their relationship, then shrug it off and head to the mall. Nothing heavy-handed or preachy, nothing nasty and demeaning, and very much on point.

        This racial confusion theme was played in numerous episodes in different ways, for example, Donna Chang, whom everyone assumes is Chinese, but who turns out to be “just a girl from Long Island.”

        ice hole

        September 14, 2017 at 10:56 am

  4. Yeah. I like to visit Florida in the winter (I hope the condo we booked in Naples for the first week in December is still standing). But I wouldn’t want to live there. Hurricanes, floods, heat, humidity, bugs, snakes and gators galore – no thanks! I have a friend who lives in a retirement community up in the hills of east Tennessee. He really likes it – mild winters, summers warm but nothing like you get farther south, low cost of living, golf year-round, plus, Tennessee, like Florida, has no state income tax. They get refugees moving there from Florida – they call them “Halfbacks.” These folks moved to Florida to retire but didn’t like it, so they moved halfway back to Tennessee.

    Black Death

    September 13, 2017 at 11:09 am

    • Aggravated assault in Tennessee in general, and Memphis in particular, is 20 times higher than, say, in Virginia Beach. You’ll be quite, with a good weather, cheap places and good doctors until they robb all our belongings and kill you and your family.

      Bruno

      September 13, 2017 at 1:26 pm

      • Guess you’ve never been to Tennessee. Yes, there’s lots of crime in Memphis, and, to a lesser extent, Nashville and Chattanooga, for reasons readers of this board will understand. But Knoxville, in East Tennessee, is about 400 miles from Memphis, at least a six hour drive from Memphis. I’ve visited this area, and it’s very tranquil.

        Black Death

        September 13, 2017 at 8:07 pm

    • I really like East Tennessee, granted it’s the only part of the Volunteer State where I’ve been. But it seems like it would be a nice place to live.
      Last spring, I drove down to Johnson City (part of the Tri-Cities region along the TN/VA border) to help a family member who was having car troubles. We ended up having a few hours to spend while the work on her car was in progress and hung out at Kiwanis Park in the northern part of town. It was basically a standard park with some playing fields, maybe 35 or 40 acres in size. Nothing fancy. What WAS unusual is that it was totally spotless, no litter, no signs of vandalism, no graffiti. No park in the NY area would ever be so beautifully kept up.
      We also had lunch at Scratch Brick Oven Pizza on the edge of downtown Johnson City, a cool, funky sort of place that was way above most ‘za parlors.
      http://scratchbrickoven.com

      Peter

      ironrailsironweights

      September 13, 2017 at 3:58 pm

      • Knoxville is very nice. Near Appalachia, but not purely scotch-Irish white trash due to the influx of hipsters. Not too many NAMs (which I’m sure is a concern for many readers here). Except during the winter, and August, temps stay 50-80 degrees, much like the Mediterranean regions of Cali. Only more humid.

        GondwanaMan

        September 13, 2017 at 5:59 pm

      • Johnson City is a pretty funny name for a city. It’s up there with Intercourse, Pennsylvania.

        Tom

        September 13, 2017 at 8:12 pm

      • Speaking of Al Gore — not only did he sold his channel to Al Jazeera, now his home state is selling space to the Halal Guys from NYC:

        http://www.tennessean.com/story/money/real-estate/2017/09/11/nashville-tennessee-restaurant-halal-guys/652162001/

        Nashville now become a Mecca for Muslims.

        I’ve never understood why Lion’s readers are so sympathetic to proles who live in unremarkable, one horse towns. They need vibrancy, because they are too stupid to create anything that is remotely attractive to the average person.

        Do you want to be in their shoes with a life devoid of any culture and good food?

        Alt-Right spokesman, Richard Spencer stuffs himself regularly with Thai Food and Sushi. Probably, there aren’t many guidos around his way to serve him good Italian food and NYC pizza.

        JS

        September 13, 2017 at 10:03 pm

    • TN has too many red necks. They define the “back woods” mentality.

      Trag

      September 13, 2017 at 4:18 pm

  5. good National Review article about how Trump and Bannon’s effort to destroy the GOP establishment is certain to be successful: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/451261/donald-trump-steve-bannon-republican-primary-challengers-hostile-takeover-gop

    tl;dr: while Bannon probably can’t many more Trumpists into congress (this is wrong, imo) the fact is the Republican base hates the GOP leadership and any Trump failures will just be blamed by the base on the establishment. In the long run the McConnells and Ryans will be completely purged from the party leading to the final annihilation of Reagan conservatism forever.

    Otis the Sweaty

    September 13, 2017 at 11:23 am

    • No Reagan-bashing please.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      September 13, 2017 at 3:44 pm

      • Oh come on. He destroyed the republican party. What part of reaganism do you support?

        Magnavox

        September 13, 2017 at 6:23 pm

      • Perhaps you weren’t around in 1980. He singlehandedly put the Republican Party back on the map.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        September 13, 2017 at 7:29 pm

      • Oh come on. He destroyed the republican party. What part of reaganism do you support?

        Keeping Harley Davidson alive.

        Although I hate Harleys.

        Reagan, along with Bush I and Clinton, sold out the upper Midwest with NAFTA. Trump realized that and that’s why Trump won.

        His 1986 Amnesty was a disaster.

        Rifleman

        September 13, 2017 at 7:32 pm

      • Trump’s policies aren’t substantially different from Reagan’s.

        It was the Liberal Republican establishment that wrecked Reagan’s legacy.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        September 13, 2017 at 7:36 pm

      • I wasn’t around in 1980, but presumably Jimmy Carter, Paul Volcker, Ayatollah Khomenei and Teddy Kennedy also played significant roles.

        Anyway, the people now calling themselves “Reagan conservatives” are in general the same [sort of] people who were, privately, much more enthusiastic about the “Bush” half of “Reagan-Bush.” The rest are fattened, feeble-minded geldings in the Erick Erickson / Glenn Beck mode.

        (Ironically, but not really, I picture Magnavox as Erick Erickson).

        snorlaxwp

        September 13, 2017 at 9:09 pm

      • Surely it would have been better for the GOP to make a comeback in a way that didn’t involve adopting a toxic ideology that ends up destroying the country?

        Magnavox

        September 13, 2017 at 10:52 pm

      • Trump’s policies aren’t substantially different from Reagan’s.

        Yes they are. Trump in theory is an American nationalist. Reagan was a globalist and phony frag waving patriot.

        NAFTA was a cornerstone of US establishment globalist policies. Supported by Reagan/Bush/Clinton.

        Reagan signed Amnesty for illegals in 1986.

        Trump’s opposition to NAFTA and his nationalist economic/immigration rhetoric is the reason he is President.

        Rifleman

        September 13, 2017 at 11:20 pm

      • The worst thing about Reagan is how he took the fact that white people were getting screwed over by the government and brainwashed them into thinking the solution lay in “limiting the government” (which really just involved giving more to the rich and big businesses) instead of trying to have a government that actually served their interests. That’s a trap that even racially aware conservatives still get stuck in to this day. I hate Reagan. Still not as bad as Johnson as postwar presidents go though.

        Magnavox

        September 13, 2017 at 11:49 pm

    • …while Bannon probably can’t many more Trumpists into congress (this is wrong, imo) the fact is the Republican base hates the GOP leadership

      The problem is “controlled opposition”.

      Too many opponents of GOPe CAN’T Win.

      Trumpists need to getting winning candidates to oppose GOPe.

      The opposition to Flake or Ryan aren’t that good.

      We need legitimate, winning opposition not fake, controlled opposition.

      Rifleman

      September 13, 2017 at 7:29 pm

      • There is no opposition to Ryan so I don’t know what you are talking about.

        The chick running against Flake hates immigrants and BLM. Sounds pretty good to me. She’s a wacko bird but so what?

        We need another 10 years before we can fully take over the party. Although if Ryan and McConnell attempt to pass DACA, that will surely speed the process up.

        Otis the Sweaty

        September 13, 2017 at 8:21 pm

      • There is no opposition to Ryan so I don’t know what you are talking about.

        Paul Nehlen.

        The chick running against Flake hates immigrants and BLM. Sounds pretty good to me. She’s a wacko bird but so what?

        Wacko birds tend not to WIN. Hence “controlled opposition”.

        We need another 10 years before we can fully take over the party. Although if Ryan and McConnell attempt to pass DACA, that will surely speed the process up.

        Worse than that. It marginalizes the Republicans nationally even more. So any future Republican party no matter who controls it will be increasingly powerless in Washington.

        Rifleman

        September 13, 2017 at 11:23 pm

  6. Southern California has the best weather in the country. It’s great if you don’t mind earthquakes, fires, avalanches, and a high cost of living.

    Florida weather is epic during the winter. If you want mild weather throughout the year, but can’t afford California, I would look towards the Appalachian foothills.

    GondwanaMan

    September 13, 2017 at 11:49 am

    • particularly below the Mason-Dixon line…

      GondwanaMan

      September 13, 2017 at 11:50 am

    • You forgot the smog.

      Trag

      September 13, 2017 at 4:20 pm

    • Wrong, Oakland has the best weather. On the few days it gets really hot, there’s almost no humidity. Can’t say that about L.A.

      Explainer 21

      September 13, 2017 at 4:50 pm

    • San Diego is my favorite, it’s always 70-80 anytime time of year.

      JW Bell

      September 13, 2017 at 8:36 pm

  7. As you get old, you don’t want to put yourself in a vulnerable position where you exposed to natural disasters and need help from others. I’m the only one in my family who hasn’t been to Florida and I don’t intend on going.

    Initial application of AC was industrial. Most modern industrial processes wouldn’t be possible without it. It’s not the AC that’s the problem, it’s the demographic. This is very simple.

    Yakov

    September 13, 2017 at 12:01 pm

  8. OT: this story actually rattled a rich prog fb friend who lives in a 10% NAM enclave of a 40% NAM city. MSM is pretty efficient at sweeping blue v blue fights like this under the rug, but he found about it via coverage from London’s Telegraph.

    The realization that even a nice guy from his cultural milieu could get sacked by the thought police got through to him in a way no logical argument could have, and appeared to serve as a wake-up call (“can there be a middle ground?”), albeit temporary I’m sure.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/09/british-conductor-sacked-us-music-festival-joke-labelled-racist/

    Fiddlesticks

    September 13, 2017 at 12:07 pm

  9. The best selling author of all time, the crime-writer Elmore Leonard, has a book in which he describes a character thusly: ” … the pallor of a year-round Florida resident.” Took me a few seconds to get what he was saying.

    Vipltd

    September 13, 2017 at 12:20 pm

  10. The American South in general is uninhabitable without modern technology. Northerners didn’t move en masse to the South until we got A/C.

    JayMan

    September 13, 2017 at 12:30 pm

    • My maternal ancestors are from Salzburg. We arrived in Georgia 2 years after initial English colonization.
      We thrived.
      Explain that.

      Catamount of the Piedmontsphere

      September 13, 2017 at 9:58 pm

      • Obviously people lived in the South before the 20th century. But there were layers of selection involved.

        JayMan

        September 13, 2017 at 11:11 pm

      • ‘We thrived.’

        How? By doing what exactly? More info is needed.

        A lot of people thrived by working niggers to death.

        Yakov

        September 14, 2017 at 7:20 am

  11. Comparing upper middle class neighborhoods in southern Florida to the NY suburbs, houses cost about half, property taxes are about half, and there is no income tax. A person can sell his home in Nassau, Westchester, or New Jersey to a Chinese buyer, buy a house in Florida, and have half the value of the NY home left over in cash. The allure of Florida comes from the fact that New York is just so terrible.

    stilicho

    September 13, 2017 at 12:44 pm

  12. It all boils down to prices. If real estate prices in Southern California were equal to those of Florida, retires wouldn’t even consider Florida.

    Coastal Southern California was popular with retirees before it became insanely expensive.

    WRB

    September 13, 2017 at 12:56 pm

    • YES, Yes, yes, California is more expensive, because its MORE desirable DUE to its climate and demographics. The same reason why NAM neighborhoods are worthless, especially those in the South, with their humidity and close proximity to prole neighborhoods.

      JS

      September 13, 2017 at 6:35 pm

      • JS, I think you should come up with a color-coded map of the US. The landmass could be divided up as follows:

        Proles: 63%
        NAMs: 32%
        Sophisticates: 0.05%
        Beyond Description:4.95%

        ice hole

        September 14, 2017 at 11:20 am

      • It seems about right!

        JS

        September 14, 2017 at 8:41 pm

    • Florida has better beaches though. California beaches are too cold to swim in.

      Tom

      September 13, 2017 at 8:20 pm

  13. When I was growing up, whenever the media would run these stories about old people dying during a heat wave, my father would scoff and say “those people were gonna die anyway.” For me that’s always been one of those things your father says which you always wanted to reject for whatever reason, but have never been able to shake.

    Hermes

    September 13, 2017 at 1:27 pm

    • “those people were gonna die anyway.”

      Your dad is right. I think the same thing about heart attacks and pneumonia.

      destructure

      September 13, 2017 at 7:54 pm

      • Everybody is gonna die anyway, if you choose to adopt that approach.

        ice hole

        September 14, 2017 at 11:07 am

      • Don’t be obtuse. Of course everyone is going to die eventually. But people who die from heat, heart attack and pneumonia are usually frail or unhealthy. For example. most heart attacks are caused by clogged arteries. Today, tomorrow or next week. They were on borrowed time. People who die from heat or pneumonia are similarly frail or have other health problems.

        Any young, healthy person can overexert, get dehydrated and have heatstroke. There’s a word for someone who goes cycling or plays basketball when it’s 115F — “stupid”. But that’s obviously not what we’re talking about.

        destructure

        September 14, 2017 at 4:56 pm

  14. texas, arizona, nevada, australia, those rich gulf countries. a lot of places are like florida. a case can be made for a/c being a top-10 20th century invention.

  15. This is one area where the “left” outdoes the right. Environmentalism. Environmentalists are mostly leftist shits, and I can’t abide their smug preaching, but they’re right. There is such a thing as overpopulation.

    gothamette

    September 13, 2017 at 2:15 pm

    • Florida might be shit, NYC is a sewer.

      Trag

      September 13, 2017 at 4:23 pm

      • Florida is a dump, and a bottom tier state for one that passes off as “cosmopolitan”.

        JS

        September 13, 2017 at 6:37 pm

      • Florida is dump, and a bottom tier state for one that passes off as cosmopolitan.

        JS

        September 13, 2017 at 6:38 pm

      • JS, what do you think of Miami?

        GondwanaMan

        September 13, 2017 at 8:49 pm

      • That is literally true. The subway system is a sewer with pumps running 24/7/365.

        gothamette

        September 14, 2017 at 3:08 pm

    • Um, somehow you missed it. It’s been a long time since leftists cared about overpopulation. Anti-racism doesn’t allow for it. In the words of the Bay Area’s leading Jewish radik commentator “c’mon, you know that.”

      Marty

      September 13, 2017 at 5:03 pm

    • the left no longer believes in overpopulation because of “racism,” which makes it hard for me to take environmentalists seriously. steve sailer has posts about this change occurring in the 80s.

    • But in the north, you need heating to survive the winter. Old people freeze to death during winters in the north when their heating stops working. People can naturally survive heat like Florida better than they can the winter cold. People can survive Florida heat without AC, but they can’t survive places with real winters without heating technology.

      Tom

      September 13, 2017 at 8:28 pm

      • Heating doesn’t require technology, you can just chop some wood.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        September 13, 2017 at 10:57 pm

      • Wood stoves are still a form of technology. And old people have trouble chopping wood, especially women. You’ll die in a northern winter without wood fuel and stoves, whereas you can survive in Florida in some shade and by not moving much during the midday when it’s hottest.

        Tom

        September 13, 2017 at 11:35 pm

      • Old people can buy ready-to-use firewood for their wood stoves. If that’s not an option, they can use kerosene heaters. Kerosene heaters are used extensively in Japan. They’re economical and practical.

        Lewis Medlock

        September 14, 2017 at 11:29 am

    • Left wing environmentalists gave up on overpopulation a long time ago, because addressing that problem conflicts with other interest of theirs.

      Stealth

      September 14, 2017 at 7:31 am

      • Exactly. Hoist by their own petard.

        gothamette

        September 14, 2017 at 3:10 pm

  16. Read these articles and tell me we don’t have a massive problem:

    http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/12/trump-dreamers-border-wall-marc-short-242590

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/451233/republicans-immigration-surrender-dream-act-traded-border-security?platform=hootsuite

    Illegal immigration would soar if people know they have the incentive of an amnesty.

    I don’t want to be negative but it looks like Trump is being played and making a terrible mistake on one of his biggest promises. I hope he starts to see sense with this. He was supposed to be this great bargainer but I see no evidence of him fighting for the people that voted for him.

    This is very serious because with a big amnesty of illegal immigrants it would become difficult for conservatives to ever win national office again.

    Dan

    September 13, 2017 at 4:30 pm

    • If Trumps cucks on immigration, he’s done. He has to know that.

      TWO IN THE BUSH

      September 13, 2017 at 5:42 pm

    • Make sure to pressure congress.

      I’m not a 4D chess guy, but Larry Schweikart says that Trump wants no wall in the bill because he doesn’t want to give Republican lawmakers cover. It’s possible.

      One thing is for sure, if Ryan brings up the DREAM Act he will have to violate the Hastert rule to pass it, and that will be the beginning of the end of his Speakership.

      Otis the Sweaty

      September 13, 2017 at 7:09 pm

    • The real problem is the void of leadership beyond Trump (who is not really all that ideological). We are in desperate need of “Trumps” in Congress that can carry the fight when Trump is getting bamboozled by Kelly and Ivanka or simply doesn’t care. Bannon’s upcoming Berkeley rally with Coulter could be an important turning point. If it makes big waves Trump will take notice.

      PerezHBD

      September 13, 2017 at 7:30 pm

      • Everyone knows the kind of abuse Trump has suffered, so the number of people brave enough to run as senatorial “Trumps” is going to be small. Especially considering the way Trump has treated Sessions and changed his mind on stuff like Afghanistan. It takes a committed person to pursue a policy unpopular with the powers that be when your supposed leader might turn his back on you at any moment.

        Gozo

        September 13, 2017 at 7:51 pm

      • …when your supposed leader might turn his back on you at any moment.

        Recall that it was Sessions who first broke ranks with Trump, not vice versa, with the manner in which he recused.

        Andrew E.

        September 13, 2017 at 10:59 pm

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