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Trump deal with Dems?

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If he gives into the Democrats on DACA without getting anything real in return, this will be very disappointing. That would be Trump’s biggest bargaining chip thrown away.

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Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

September 13, 2017 at 11:07 pm

Posted in Politics

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  1. He announced on twitter right after he repealed DACA that he would just “revisit” it in six months if congress didn’t pass it. His first instinct was to tell the world that he had non intention of using his biggest bargaining chip.

    The question is: was he never a good deal maker, and that his whole schtick was just protesting too much, or does he have some kind of advanced senility?

    Magnavox

    September 13, 2017 at 11:16 pm

    • Or (and this is just a wild and crazy thought here), he’s not a politician and finds it repugnant to make “political” deals with the lives of people who are genuinely not to blame for their unfortunate situation, and for whom he feels empathy.

      Or, if you prefer, he IS a good enough dealmaker that this is all a feint to ensure he can peel off enough Dems to get his tax bill though, which is really ALL that matters.

      Don’t be a nube. Trump will ensure he gets funding for border security, REAL border security, and will not compromise on this. There will BE no more Dreamers as long as he is POTUS, and there will be a wall.

      But everything hinges on tax reform. All these other deals just soften them up and make it easier to pry them away to vote YES on taxes.

      How many do you suppose he needs?

      gda

      September 14, 2017 at 1:39 am

      • Honestly: why does everything hinge on tax reform? In fact, why is tax reform even marginally important? If taxes stayed exactly the same as they are this year, and were last year, I think most people would be happy with it. But if its ‘reformed’ (whatever that means), and the average Trump voter saves a few hundred dollars a year, they won’t even notice.

        If the wall gets built, 50 million Trump voters will be extremely happy, and the country would be fundamentally transformed.

        Tax reform is almost irrelevant. I don’t know why its even an issue to be discussed at all, much less labelled that upon which everything hinges.

        anon

        ughface

        September 14, 2017 at 8:25 am

      • The word is “growth”. Not 1% growth, but 3+% growth. No tax reform; no growth:: No growth; no Trump success

        gda

        September 14, 2017 at 2:30 pm

    • He’s always been a good negotiator on behalf of one Donald J. Trump. On people he makes promises to? Eh, not so much.

      Trump has now taken the immigration position of the WEAKEST Republican in the primaries. If you still think he meant all of the things he promised in the election, you’re an even bigger fool than Ann Coulter, author of “In Trump We Trust” (that was sincere) who is now calling for his impeachment.

      Mercy Vetsel (@MercyVetsel)

      September 14, 2017 at 4:30 pm

  2. These are great kids, folks, just great kids. Haven’t you heard, Lion?

    Trump is a pathetic cuck. In case anyone’s been keeping score, despite the fire and brimstome in the media the orange buffoon has been deporting illegals more slowly than Obama.

    “Mostly deportations have remained lower than in past years under the Obama administration. From January to June, Immigration and Customs Enforcement deported 61,370 criminals, down from 70,603 during the same period last year.”

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/immigration/trump-is-deporting-fewer-immigrants-than-obama-including-criminals/2017/08/10/d8fa72e4-7e1d-11e7-9d08-b79f191668ed_story.html?utm_term=.de7680887997

    In some ways it’s possible we would have been better off with a Clinton victory. The GOP would be far less likely to cooperate with passing amnesty as the “opposition” party than now with its own cuck in the White House.

    Wang Hu(?)

    September 13, 2017 at 11:18 pm

    • I misquoted the relevant part of the article since it doesn’t matter how many “criminals” are deported, only how many immigrants total. Not that the correct quote changes anything:

      “Since January, immigration officials have deported more than 105,000 immigrants, 42 percent of whom had never committed any crime.

      Last year, a total of 121,170 people were deported during the same period, and a similar percentage had no criminal records.”

      Trump is deporting fewer criminals than Obama, and he is deporting fewer immigrants overall as well. And not by a handful, but by almost 20%.

      Wang Hu(?)

      September 13, 2017 at 11:23 pm

    • Those numbers don’t mean what you think they mean. When they catch someone at the border they can deport them immediately. Apprehensions at the border are down 46% because fewer people are trying to cross with Trump in office.

      However, arrests in the interior are up under Trump because they’re going after everyone and not just criminals. Unfortunately, illegals arrested in the interior get a hearing which can drag out for years. This means that there’s a backlog in the courts. Regardless, the courts are actually moving faster and deporting more people.

      http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/aug/8/donald-trumps-illegal-immigration-numbers-show-maj/

      This is where it gets tricky. When they were only arresting criminals more criminals were getting deported. But they were giving everyone else a free pass. The free pass was attracting a lot more illegals. The only way to stop the flood of illegals was to arrest everyone. But this means that some of the judges will have to spend time hearing cases for non-criminals, Hence, fewer criminals are deported. The solution is to hire more immigration judges to work through the backlog. And that’s what Trump is doing.
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      Never believe what the msm says when they’re complaining about your guy not doing what you want. What they’re really trying to do is turn you against your own guy. And they’ll lie to do it.

      destructure

      September 14, 2017 at 1:28 am

    • Er, wtf? You do recall that Clinton was committed to stacking the Supreme Court to force DAPA through, toward the goal of forcing the floodgates as open as possible, right? The GOP’s stance is all but irrelevant at that point. And Trump hasn’t had to deport as many illegals to achieve a better overall result than Obama because he’s scared so many more low-skill foreigners away from coming in in the first place. There’s zero question that Trump is way, way better than Clinton, even though he’s disappointing at times.

      800k people is small potatoes; it’s the tens of millions of additional low-skill foreigners that the Democrats want to import and grant citizenship to that will end America as a superpower. Only the latter must be stopped; just because the Democrats call for mercy in bad faith does not mean that there’s no place for mercy.

      DB

      September 14, 2017 at 2:37 am

      • 800k plus 1-2mill more from chain migration. All of whom will NEVER vote Republican. We are looking at 1-3 million more votes for the Democrats. That’s more than enough to tip a few states and ensure Democrat rule for decades to come.

        chris

        September 14, 2017 at 7:47 am

      • Well, the parents who brought DACA kids into the US committed (at least) 2 crimes – they entered illegally, and they smuggled illegals in as well (the kids).

        RAISE gets rid of the chain migration thing, I believe, or at least can be tweaked to ENSURE that the adults, who compounded their first crime with a second, can never get citizenship.

        gda

        September 14, 2017 at 2:39 pm

    • That’s a misleading stat: https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/policy-and-politics/2017/8/10/16119910/trump-deportations-obama

      Fewer border crossers = fewer low-hanging deportations opportunities.

      IHTG

      September 14, 2017 at 4:44 am

    • “We would have been better off with a Clinton victory” — yes, there wouldn’t have been an excuse for people to put up Rainbow and Antifa stickers up all over Brooklyn. Things in NYC are continuing smoothly along the same demographic/feministic trajectory as under Obama, only with the addition of Rainbow and Antifa stickers everywhere and the accompanying suggestion of impending violence against dissidents.

      On Tuesday, walking home through Park Slope, I saw about twenty women wearing “I voted” stickers, and maybe three men (in the company of women wearing these stickers, I believe). I conclude that voting is something that women do, and therefore intend not to vote next time.

      Also, since this is evidently a bureaucratically (or Deep State) governed society, and it doesn’t matter who gets elected to whatever office, it seems silly for ordinary people to waste time and energy discussing questions of policy. It’s like peasants in a 15th century tavern arguing about What The King Should Do. Except that now there isn’t even any person In Charge to whom one might present a petition — just the Deep State bureaucracy.

      Garr

      September 14, 2017 at 6:31 am

  3. What a joke. Nobody voted for an inexperienced bozo like Trump because they wanted a “Nixon goes to China” move on immigration. There were 20 different establishment guys running for President who would have done the same thing. It was EMBARRASSING to vote for an uncouth clown like Donald Trump. It really took balls to say, “Yes, I want that guy to be president.” That sloppy, nasty, bumbling amateur, in the highest office of the land. We did it only because politics was so corrupt and disgusting it seemed like a vulgar clown was the best chance we had to save our country.

    And he gives away — for nothing — the only thing that got him into office?

    If these reports are real he won’t be re-elected, the GOP will be destroyed in the midterms, and I won’t even fucking care anymore. Politics will be a lost cause and it’ll just be about finding a way to keep your head above water.

    Richard

    September 14, 2017 at 2:57 am

    • Amen brother

      Two in the Bush

      September 14, 2017 at 8:02 pm

  4. With friends double guessing his every moves, Trump doens’t need ennemy. People can’t be loyal even for 2 years ! Where is Brienne of Tarth …. Cut their throats.

    Bruno

    September 14, 2017 at 4:28 am

    • We’ve known him for thirty years. We knew who he was. He’s full of shit. We thought he’d play the role available to him, innocuous sociopath that he is. But he’s too dimwitted to even see what that role is.

      Garr

      September 14, 2017 at 11:26 am

  5. I’m wondering what sort of deal this could be. Is Trump really going to throw away his signature issue? For what? I’m holding my fire on this until there is more information in this. I’ve been fooled before by multiple Trump “betrayals” that turned out to be nothing of the kind.

    Mike Street Station

    September 14, 2017 at 6:12 am

  6. Hmm well…update. Just saw that Trump tweeted that no deal was made last night. Yet another media hoax?

    Mike Street Station

    September 14, 2017 at 6:16 am

    • What was reported last night was that Trump had agreed in principle that DACA would be upheld, so the discussion had shifted to what meaningless “border security” concessions the Dems would make. The Wall was off the table.

      Trump’s twitter account basically confirms this. He’s pimping hard for DACA, but vague on the “border security” we’re getting. Probably because he has nothing to talk about since he just sold the farm for some beans. The rumor is that Pelosi and Schumer might, at a later date, provide some funding for a border drone. Whoopee.

      Art of the deal! We give up all our leverage for the chance to continue talking about what fig leaf we’ll be allowed to wear on the walk home. It was so smart of us to hire Donald for this. At least everyone seems to be passing on the chance — for now — to go all the way on Gang of Eight, which was the worst thing in the rumor mill last night.

      As I’ve said before, I’m not necessarily against surrendering on DACA. If it’s used as a bargaining chip to get concessions from the other side that are actually important, like wall funding, then I have no quarrel with a limited amnesty covering them. But if Dems and the GOPe won’t make such a deal, then tough shit to the DACA kids. We don’t owe them anything and their irresponsible, crooked parents are the ones at fault for any hardship they suffer, blame they can share with the immigration hustlers who let U.S. law be broken so they could get their desired amount of cheap labor.

      Richard

      September 14, 2017 at 11:07 am

    • Let’s wait & see. Trump is a double crossing phony. That’s good.

      gothamette

      September 14, 2017 at 3:11 pm

  7. Ayeyai, this is Jeb talk.

    IHTG

    September 14, 2017 at 9:07 am

    • It’s so stupid. You like the ones with college degrees? Fine, give them a loophole. Throw in the military enlistees too.

      That’s what, 15% of the total number covered? That leaves plenty of not so good, not so educated, not so accomplished non-citizens that our country could easily do without and never miss.

      Richard

      September 14, 2017 at 11:33 am

      • I’m perfectly fine with keeping all of the military (around 900) and valedictorians. That’s probably two or three.

        Mike Street Station

        September 14, 2017 at 10:11 pm

    • Compassionate conservatism 2.0

      DFT

      September 14, 2017 at 12:03 pm

  8. why the hell is trump so incoherent, like does he have low level dementia or is he just pretty low IQ or what. why cant he just give a straight answer or explain something without changing his mind over and over again, or demonstrate a basic understanding of any of the crap he talks about.

    james n.s.w

    September 14, 2017 at 9:11 am

    • He’s a Gemini.

      gothamette

      September 14, 2017 at 3:12 pm

  9. You’ll get whiplash trying to figure out Trump’s true motives here. I think he’s faking it until he makes it.

    As best as I can tell, he is trying to signal a willingness to work with Dems on DACA in exchange for some sort of compromise on border security. I love “the Wall” as a talking point, but I’m not married to a literal massive wall for now. I would take E-Verify and other significant security measures being codified into LAW.

    Whatever happens, I DO think we’ll end up disappointed to some degree — Trump wants to be able to point to a “a deal” as an achievement. And, can you blame him? The GOP is beyond useless and Jeb (or any Romney clone) who have given away the farm for nothing, in exchange for virtue signaling about “doing the right thing”.

    SWPL2

    September 14, 2017 at 9:45 am

  10. Gotta get rid of Trump is he signs DACA. This could actually work out pretty good for us. If Trump goes the Republican party will be destroyed and the Dems will sweep back into power which speeds up the civil war.

    Otis the Sweaty

    September 14, 2017 at 10:02 am

    • But what is the alternative to Trump?

      Do you think he’ll sing DACA? I feel like the six month window is already a missed target.

      SWPL2

      September 14, 2017 at 11:23 am

      • The alternative to an impeached President Trump is President Pence.

        MEH 0910

        September 14, 2017 at 2:38 pm

    • There is not an alternative to Trump, but that’s okay.

      Even if Trump 100% sells us out, we did the right thing supporting him because as another commentor here said, “he got us out of Egypt”. He’s emboldened racists and has irrevocably divided America while destroying cuckservatism as a viable ideology in the Republican primaries. From now on anybody running for the Republican nomination will be forced to take an anti immigration position. Furthermore, Republicans know that they need anti immigrant voters to win or even be competitive in national races. It doesn’t mean the GOPe is going to just surrender, but there is no question that the anti immigrant movement will take over the party by the late 2020’s and Trump has helped accelerate that process.

      I have no way of knowing if Trump will sell us out on DACA but I do know that he WANTS to sell us out on DACA. The question is whether Trump will be stupid enough to go forward and whether or not Republican Congressmen will be suicidal enough to do the same. Like Bannon said, the DREAM Act would ignite a civil war in the Republican party. Whether McConnell and Ryan are up for that right now is anybodies guess.

      Otis the Sweaty

      September 14, 2017 at 1:24 pm

    • Gotta get rid of Trump is he signs DACA.

      A bit of an overreaction.

      There is no DACA legislation. No one, especially Trump, knows what the legislative details would look like; and the details must be nailed down before anything can be voted on in Congress.

      The great “agreement” with Chuck and Nancy could just have been another Trumpian stream-of-consciousness that is never followed up on.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      September 14, 2017 at 2:21 pm

  11. This DACA business is predicated on the notion that somehow these individuals are smarter, harder working, and more virtuous than the rest of us, which is laughable. Even if that were the case (and it’s not), under current law, at some point the so-called dreamers will be able to bring in their parents, aunts, uncles, brothers, sisters, and cousins, millions if not tens of millions of people, nearly all of them poor. In any group of people that large, there will be the elderly, the infirm, the criminally inclined, as well as a lot of everyday, garden variety losers and misfits. Why do we need these people? We have plenty of losers of our own.

    Sgt. Joe Friday

    September 14, 2017 at 10:37 am

    • I think “we have plenty of losers of our own” (not phrased like, of course; they same idea expressed through implication) is a winning message. However, the problem with Daca is that the Democrats have sold people on the idea that these people already are our own. They’re from here. People feel guilty about things that are relatable (ultimately this is based on self-interest: if I can relate to it, I’m afraid it might happen to me), and people who are from the U.S. can relate to not wanting to be kicked out of it.

      Greg Pandatshang

      September 14, 2017 at 2:42 pm

  12. We have to recognize that Trump is a fighter, not an ideologue. Donald Trump is our President today for one simple reason- his “they’re not sending their best” comment. That was the phrase that catapulted him to the top of the Republican field, but it isn’t like it was calculated. Trump had no idea the impact that statement would have. Trump’s refusal to apologize was again not strategic. Doubling down and refusing to apologize has been his m.o. in dealing with the media for decades. To his credit, Trump noticed the reaction of the Republican base and ran with it, but none of this was planned. If the media hadn’t made such a big deal about it, Trump may have never noticed and instead of running on “Build that Wall” he’d have focused on taxes and his campaign would have tanked.

    What does this tell us? We can’t rely on Trump to find the right way on any issue without OUR help. No more than ever with Trump being isolated by Kelly we need to make our voices heard. Trump does listen. We need to stop pretending Trump is something he never was and help him become his best self.

    PerezHBD

    September 14, 2017 at 11:00 am

  13. One way or the other, this will not end well

    IHTG

    September 14, 2017 at 11:29 am

  14. Democrats have won the rhetorical battle on Daca. It’s a losing issue for Republicans. Democrats are aware that this means Trump doesn’t have much power to negotiate.

    Greg Pandatshang

    September 14, 2017 at 12:01 pm

    • Utter nonsense. Nobody cares about these DACA cretins. Trump could have them all lined up on 5th Avenue and shot and he wouldn’t lose a single supporter. Amnesty for DACAs is an issue not even people on the Left actually go out to the polls and vote over. Trump should demand everything he wants on immigration (Wall, E-Verify, RAISE Act) in exchange for DACA. If GOP refuses to give it to him, this is the issue he uses to primary them. If they give it to him and Democrats filibuster, this is the issue he uses to demand McConnell get rid of the filibuster. Hard line on DACA is a position in which Trump has no way of losing.

      PerezHBD

      September 14, 2017 at 12:56 pm

      • Senator Cotton is trying to link his RAISE Act with a DACA legalization. Throw in money for the wall and I’m actually OK with that. I would really love to see Democrats vote against “the children” because they don’t want the RAISE Act to cut legal immigration in half.

        Mike Street Station

        September 14, 2017 at 10:14 pm

    • He also announced right after he got rid of DACA that he would just bring it back if Congress didn’t pass a legislative equivalent.

      Magnavox

      September 14, 2017 at 1:07 pm

    • It has nothing to do with the rhetorical battle. It has to do with this being an issue Trump is exceedingly weak on and always has been and on him being stupid to see disastrous this would be to him politically.

      Otis the Sweaty

      September 14, 2017 at 1:25 pm


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