Lion of the Blogosphere

HBD and North Korea, yet again

The North Korean cyberthreat “crept up on us,” said Robert Hannigan, the former director of Britain’s Government Communications Headquarters, which handles electronic surveillance and cybersecurity.

“Because they are such a mix of the weird and absurd and medieval and highly sophisticated, people didn’t take it seriously,” he said. “How can such an isolated, backward country have this capability? Well, how can such an isolated backward country have this nuclear ability?”

How is it possible that North Korea excels at cyber-espionage? Because it’s a high-IQ task, and North Koreans have genetically high IQs.

Another mystery solved by HBD.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

October 16, 2017 at 8:26 am

Posted in Biology

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  1. How about this:—-for-faked-peer-reviews

    “China now has more laboratory scientists than any other country in the world, reports Amy Qin in the New York Times, and spends more on research than the entire European Union. ”

    But there also seems to be a huge amount of results faking. Kind of like the South Korean cloning dude who faked his results.

    Lion of the Turambar

    October 16, 2017 at 8:49 am

    • @Lion of the Turambar

      Faked peer review is not fake results

      >According to an investigation led by the country’s Ministry of Science and Technology, Chinese researchers used such methods to manipulate the peer-review process in 101 out of the 107 retracted articles. In many cases, government investigators said authors had gone online to hire people to write professional-sounding reviews.

      >A recent search revealed a teeming, illicit trade in faked peer reviews. A search for the term “help publishing papers” on Taobao, a popular Chinese e-commerce site, yielded a long list of sellers who offered services ranging from faked peer reviews to entire scientific papers already written and ready to submit.

      The issue with China, is that as a researcher, after finishing writing a paper, you need to pay other people to peer review it, and after it gets peer reviewed then it can be submitted to a journal.

      The problem is that China does not have a well known large company that handles peer review

      In the US a researcher would go to rubriq, pay a fee, the fees would go to academics who peer review the paper for money. The researcher can then submit it to a journal without waiting in line for years for free peer reviewers.

      In China, no company with a reputation like rubriq exists, instead you have numerous smaller companies claiming to offer peer review services and many researchers with shoestring budgets

      China also has a science police

      The us government on the other hand has science police but they aren’t allowed to investigate without getting a request from the institution.

      So for the us science police to investigate say a mit researcher for peer review fraud, they would need a request from MIT before they can open a investigation.


      The Education Realist argument of cheating asians have been debunked numerous times

      Foreign Students cheat more than domestic, but foreign students in the US are not a representative sample. The vast majority of chinese/koreans in us universities are here because they couldn’t score high enough to get into korean/chinese schools.

      Chinese and korean exams are also extremely difficult to cheat

      Meanwhile the sat toefl is extremely easy, simply send a stooge with your id in your place at a random testing facility filled with random strangers

      Hbd investor

      October 16, 2017 at 11:32 am

      • It’s the old “X has been debunked numerous times” followed by an unsupported claim. Maybe you’re a 5-Mao. My wife is Chinese, and by choice pursued higher education in America after going to a top tier school in China. I know a Chinese economics PhD whose path to getting the PhD (in China) was to write articles which were published under her advisor’s name. The advisor would not even read the articles before they were published. No integrity.

        My wife, who is very pro-China, believes that Chinese degrees are illegitimate because of corruption.

        Rogal Dorn

        October 16, 2017 at 4:51 pm

  2. It’s an open secret that the “North Korean” cyberattackers are actually Chinese.


    October 16, 2017 at 9:13 am

    • A huge amount of this “state hacking” all over the world is subcontracted out to shadowy and legitimately private collectives. This is why the “Russia hacked!” claims were always ridiculous. If the Russians actually wanted to compromise relevant systems it would be impossible to link it to Russia.


      October 16, 2017 at 11:23 am

  3. It is a truly interesting phenomenon. A country that’s basically s***, but because the people have a high IQ can focus on one thing that doesn’t require a lot of money.


    October 16, 2017 at 9:49 am

  4. The leftists always fall on the “European colonialism” to explain why countries like Haiti and Congo, etc are complete failures. Then why didn’t Haiti or Congo get colonized or didn’t colonize the world themselves? Were they just peaceful, fun loving people who felt colonialism was for the true barbarians? I don’t think so.

    Ronald McDonald

    October 16, 2017 at 10:12 am

    • For reasons I don’t understand, corrupt dysfunctional Haiti was able to conquer the Dominican Republic in the mid 19th century and rule it for about 20 years. Spain must have sent very low quality settlers.


      October 16, 2017 at 11:02 am

      • in the mid 19th century, modern technology and IQ were a lot less important for winning wars. If you had guns and manpower, you would win a war.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        October 16, 2017 at 11:33 am

      • Back then there were half a million Haitians but only 50,000 Dominicans.


        October 16, 2017 at 6:17 pm

  5. Exactly. People like to point at the NK poverty and claim that it somehow disproves HBD. Not true at all. The North Koreans as a society have chosen to pursue rather abstract goals such as racial purity, independence from foreign powers and self-reliance, even if poverty is the price. It is not a stupid goal anymore than going to a monastery is a stupid goal, and requires a level of organization and cooperation no African or Latin American state could hope to achieve. It takes a nation of smart people to create real disasters like North Korea, Mao’s China or Stalin’s USSR.

    Peter Akuleyev

    October 16, 2017 at 10:23 am

    • “The North Koreans as a society have chosen to pursue rather abstract goals such as racial purity, independence from foreign powers and self-reliance, even if poverty is the price.”

      Plus communism in which capitalism isn’t allowed. Without the invisible hand of the marketplace for routine every-day commerce, everything goes to sh*t.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      October 16, 2017 at 10:32 am

      • Take a look here, Pyongyang by night. Two Western tourists convinced their North Korean guide to take them to the famous Pizza Restaurant.

        Their achievements are impressive, especially considering the sanctions and the planned economy. The neighborhood of Pyongyang that the restaurant is located in looks like that of any modern Asian city.


        October 16, 2017 at 10:49 am

      • Communism is no longer a guiding principle of North Korea’s ideology and hasn’t been for decades. “Juche” replaced Marxism some time ago. North Korea even allows private markets and small private businesses these days, as long as you remain loyal to the regime.

        Peter Akuleyev

        October 16, 2017 at 2:22 pm

      • And that has ended the food shortages they used to have.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        October 16, 2017 at 3:52 pm

      • That pizza looks utterly foul and ghastly.


        October 16, 2017 at 2:30 pm

    • The North Koreans are arguably more sustainable than the West.

      One oft repeated argument is the light map of North korea vs south korea

      But ask yourself is the west better because we burn millions of barrels of oil to keep the lights on at night for no reason other than so people can enjoy a nightlife which entails spending the entire night binge drinking and trying to get laid? And then waking up at 2PM?

      Meanwhile the North Koreans use their nights for sleeping and their days for being productive.

      Imagine how much real wealth could be saved in the US, if the government mandated complete darkness at night. And people shifted their activities to the morning.

      A lot of the gdp in the us is created by nonsense like celebrities and building massive movie sets and blowing ip 100 cars to make a movie. While the US citizens are wealthier the gap between NK vs the US isn’t as big as it appears. Gdp does not state how well capital is utilized.

      Hbd investor

      October 16, 2017 at 11:45 am

      • “Meanwhile the North Koreans use their nights for sleeping and their days for being productive.”

        If they had robots doing the real work, they could just enjoy themselves like we could theoretically do in the West if it weren’t for the rat race.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        October 16, 2017 at 11:50 am

    • Wrong. North Korea is not independent from foreign powers. They are dependent on both China and Russia, and have been for 70 years. Nor is North Korea self-reliant. They get oil, food, and military technology from Russia and China.

      Japan, Taiwan, South Korea also have racial purity, but without the poverty.

      North Korea is not dedicated to any abstract goal. As a nation, they are dedicated to the very concrete goal of maintaining the power of Kim Jong-un.


      October 16, 2017 at 11:50 am

      • You’re missing my point. I agree with you that the Kims are cynics, and that North Korea is a massive failure. My point is that only a country of fairly intelligent and disciplined people could be organized around abstract principles like juche the way North Korea is.

        Peter Akuleyev

        October 16, 2017 at 2:19 pm

      • Russia and China are getting something of value from NK or they would not continue to support them.


        October 16, 2017 at 10:34 pm

      • What Russia gets of value from North Korea: DPRK is Russia’s stalking horse that can be used to distract the US by increased tensions when desired.

        What China gets of value from North Korea: not much more than the fact that it exists as a buffer state between China and South Korea, an American client state.


        October 18, 2017 at 10:29 pm

  6. They think that “backwardness” can only be caused by low IQ.

    Backwardness of course being defined as anything other than a neoliberal bugman.

    NK is different, therefore they must be stupid.

    27 year old from sailers

    October 16, 2017 at 11:45 am

  7. hbd investor had a good point though, whether accurately applied to north korea or not. western countries with their big admirable economies are dumb unsustainable messes, b urning through the earths resources. our economies are based on waste, the exchange of useless things and value transference ‘services’ between shysters.

    james n.s.w

    October 16, 2017 at 12:28 pm

  8. NK is hell on earth.This is very simple and anybody who doesn’t understand is very stupid.

    Lion, you keep talking about high IQ of NK, but these chaps are very hard working and that takes you places. I know, because I’m like that: low IQ, but hard working. I know that and am fine with not understanding anything, I just keep chewing on it and grinding it until i eventually get it. Programming can be a lot like that. Look, after a month on my first job they gave me the Margin Requirements System to take over. I literally cried over that code, but a month later I put in my first implementation still not knowing what the hell I was doing. How? Just kept breaking down that logic, reading about stocks, bonds and options and talking to the users and grinding, grinding, grinding. Eventually it became a thing of beauty. You would have figured out the while thing in a week probably. So what I’m saying is that if you are a hard worker, regardless of what you do, you gonna be OK. Take a look on the streets of Chinatown – not one bum on the street, not even one! Np police cars outside of schools either. The dumbest guy respects education and teachers. I think the world belongs to hard working bees and ants like us, or at least it should. Down with monarchy, nobility, elites, apparatchiks, beauracrats, bums, welfare crowd. Everyone gets up in the morning, does calisthenics, says his prayers and runs to work. This is how the world should be. Won’t happen tomorrow though.


    October 16, 2017 at 1:47 pm

    • You do realize that Hacking requires far more intelligence than programming.

      And hacking at a elite level to break into banking institutions, military servers require legit geniuses at this level no amount of grinding will help you especially since they are technical hackers and not the social engineering ones who scam using fake emails with links to malware.

      Learning a bunch of econ to program a trading algorithm is nowhere near equivalent to the amount of brainpower needed for elite level hacking.

      This means that North Korea has a decent population of well fed and well educated people in order to create programmers that are several sd’s above the mean.

      Hbd investor

      October 16, 2017 at 5:15 pm

      • I realize, my nephew is a professor of computer science, but I don’t think we know the level of their hacking ability. Do we?

        Look, there is a Chinese HVAC tech that has his garage close to mine. Often I see him taking apart equipment after work. I also have tons of compressors and motors that I want to rip apart, technical literature that I want to read. Do I do it? No, and I’m a hard working guy! I go to gym, read books, study my religion, but he does! He should have an advantage in the trade because of it. This is how these Asians are. Don’t you and Lion discount it. This is what I’m saying.


        October 16, 2017 at 10:23 pm

    • NK may be hell on earth for some but not for all. It seems to be a place where individuals have no intrinsic worth but instead their worth is determined by their abilities. Those at the top probably have it pretty good while those at the bottom have a miserable existence.


      October 16, 2017 at 10:45 pm

    • @Yakov

      Nowhere near the same, hacking is basically the same as a black box math problem

      Hackers work by looking at systems that everybody has access to and finding a solution that somehow thousands upon thousands of highly trained programmers have missed.

      Even more difficult is that it is a problem that is a black box

      The problem you are working with you can only see your inputs and the system outputs, yet somehow you need to figure out what input you need to put in to get a output that shouldn’t be possible

      So for example a hacker who tries to gain entry by using a program like adobe acrobat

      He would not have the source code for Adobe acrobat, but he would have to figure out a input to acrobat that would trick it into running malicious code that then allows elevated user privileges and remote access

      Keep in mind a program like adobe acrobat has had thousands of programmers a good number of them with phds looking at the source code to block off any holes they can find that will allow a hacker to exploit it.

      You could try your entire life, and no make a dent. It’s not a matter of effort.

      Because all your manhours spent on exploiting adobe acrobat, would never equal thousands of people looking over the code.

      Essentially you are looking at a high level problem like Fermat’s Last Theorem, where numerous people have donated years of their lives to.

      North korea in this case used numerous exploits (exploit’s that they discovered ) found in the windows operating system that numerous people have looked at and never noticed the holes.

      Hbd investor

      October 17, 2017 at 3:12 pm

      • The way you put it’s pretty amazing. I don’t know anything about hacking, but I’m gonna be in Israel in couple of month and I’m gonna ask my nephew about it, if I get a chance.


        October 17, 2017 at 7:58 pm

  9. My understanding is that Korean IQ average is a little bit higher than the Japanese average, which is in turn a few points higher than Chinese average. My own experience leads me to believe that the quantitative/verbal gap is lower in Koreans than it is in the Japanese and Chinese.

    “Imagine how much real wealth could be saved in the US, if the government mandated complete darkness at night. And people shifted their activities to the morning.”

    The historical record suggests quite the opposite. Almost all schemes of this sort backfire and reduce productivity, quality of life, wealth, etc.


    October 16, 2017 at 2:25 pm

  10. Because it’s a high-IQ task, and North Koreans have genetically high IQs.

    You really need to explain what a genetically high IQ is and how that helps anything.


    October 16, 2017 at 4:08 pm

  11. NK society has to be exerting strong selection pressures on their population. What are they selecting for? High IQ, loyalty and hardiness come to mind. I bet sick and deformed babies are not allowed to live. They probably don’t waste education on dull children. Those that are not loyal have their families wiped out so there is strong selection for loyalty.


    October 16, 2017 at 10:56 pm

    • They must be selecting for the slave mentality, but they are gonna fall apart before enough time passes for the selection to affect them. In my times they used to call it Homo Sivieticus (you can look it up), but this is much worse.


      October 17, 2017 at 8:02 pm

  12. North Koreans may have genetically high IQs, but only the top 0.1% of the population have enough nutrition in childhood to really develop those IQs. Everybody else is starving and sick most of the time.

    I’ve been to the DPRK. We were shown a carefully curated subsection of the top elite in Pyongyang. And even that was a pathetic Potemkin village. Pathetic. They couldn’t even keep the electricity on. If there are smart people among this top 0.1% who can hack stuff (and if they’re really Koreans and not Chinese), imagine what they could do if the Kim regime were toppled and the entire population had the opportunity to reach their full potential.


    October 18, 2017 at 11:22 am

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