Lion of the Blogosphere

The most likely Paddock conspiracy

If there IS a conspiracy, then the most likely one is this:

The cops got to the floor where Paddock was shooting from in time to stop him from killing more people, but they were too pussified to do anything except wait for the SWAT team, allowing many more civilians to die.

That’s why the whole “timeline” keeps changing every day. If the security guard, Jose Campos, disappeared for some sort of nefarious reason, it could be that the Las Vegas police don’t want word getting out about how much they screwed up.

That’s a much more likely cover-up than Paddock was secretly working for the CIA and the security guard was his ISIS handler, or other nonsense like that.

Of course this is just idle speculation that’s probably not true, but Las Vegas police incompetence of some sort seems highly likely.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

October 17, 2017 at 9:33 am

Posted in News, Uncategorized

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  1. Lion I agree with what you are saying. But if the police had charged in they might have been killed. I just don’t think police should be asked to die in situations like this. Perhaps all cops should carry explosive grenades .

    wencil

    October 17, 2017 at 9:51 am

    • Then are we suppose to honor and respect them?

      I don”t support BLM but isn’t a lot of the police mishaps a problem of police gunning down a person to avoid even the chance of taking a punch?

      Jimi

      October 17, 2017 at 12:54 pm

      • Yes, you are right about that. The police used to give suspects the benefit of the doubt, and then beat the shit of them if they abused that benefit.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        October 17, 2017 at 1:16 pm

    • A lot of cities are going bankrupt giving ridiculous salaries and benefits to police and firefighters, and the justification is always “but they risk their lives for the public” and “they suffer such high mortality rates because of the stress and danger.” The second is obviously debunked nonsense (the principal danger cops face is traffic accidents and their mortality rates are no higher than other professions which involve a lot of driving). What happens when the public finds out that the cops often run away from danger?

      verylongaccountname

      October 17, 2017 at 11:57 pm

  2. Lion. the larger issue here is, how do we reduce the number of cops killed? A black Louisiana cop was just shot dead by a criminal. when a husband is beating the shit out of his wife and cops show up at his door, a lot of the time the husband shoots the cops in the head. Can we implement a rule where all cops wear full body armor whenever cops respond to domestic calls? I guess this whole problem will solve itself in ten years when all cops have a fleet of drones to send in to tough situations

    wencil

    October 17, 2017 at 9:54 am

    • More cops should be being killed. They should be putting their lives in danger to protect people and stop shooting first when ever they don’t just wimp out.

      Magnavox

      October 17, 2017 at 1:26 pm

      • Disagree. The neighborhood beat cop is a product of a white, Christian nation under a traditional moral order. Until all those things return we’re living in a weird kind of war zone where the dynamics are completely different. I, for one, greatly appreciate the paramilitary NYPD for keeping Manhattan gentrified, ghettoized and segregated.

        Andrew E.

        October 17, 2017 at 1:47 pm

      • The traditional non militarized police did quite a bit of keeping the wrong kinds of people out of neighborhoods.

        Magnavox

        October 17, 2017 at 6:05 pm

      • Please never post here again. You are a blight.

        howitzer daniel

        October 17, 2017 at 9:59 pm

      • Magnavox, do you know how stupid you sound?

        howitzer daniel

        October 17, 2017 at 10:00 pm

    • Keep violent criminals locked up. Implement 3-strikes rules. Eliminate immigration. It seems like a vast majority (or at least a highly disproportionate number) of police officers are killed by black males. I’d like to see a study on this.

      Cops have mostly themselves to blame for the anti-cop behavior. Just think of the lies and physical & verbal abuses that cops committed before the proliferation of cell-phone cameras.

      E. Rekshun

      October 17, 2017 at 4:51 pm

      • About 40% of the people killing police are black. The fact that it’s so low is a strong indicator that blacks are under policed.

        Magnavox

        October 17, 2017 at 6:06 pm

      • Also other advanced countries have shorter sentences and treat their inmates with dignity and have lower crime rate within prisons and lower recidivism rates.

        Magnavox

        October 17, 2017 at 6:10 pm

  3. Sorry but lugging 31 rifles to his hotel room to use in the shooting? Wouldn’t 3, 4 or 5 been enough to get off a few thousand rounds before eventually getting stopped? The whole thing is bogus.

    Andrew E.

    October 17, 2017 at 9:59 am

    • He was not right in the head. Yes, 3, 4, 5 would have been enough.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      October 17, 2017 at 12:01 pm

    • I don’t think he was reloading rifles. When one rifle was empty, he’d pick up a new one.

      Half Canadian

      October 17, 2017 at 3:49 pm

      • I don’t think it takes that long to replace a clip. But I don’t own an AR-15, so don’t know for sure.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        October 17, 2017 at 4:10 pm

      • The only thing that would indicate is extremely low IQ. Like on par with trying and failing for hours to fit a mattress through a door because you didn’t think to turn it sideways.

        Andrew E.

        October 17, 2017 at 5:15 pm

      • @ LOTB

        Reloading a rifle like that, even with a drum, takes only a couple seconds. A typical thirty round magazine is easy-peasy, especially with nobody shooting back at you.

        ipc

        October 17, 2017 at 6:34 pm

      • Maybe overheating is also an issue? Can’t say myself…

        anon

        October 17, 2017 at 8:59 pm

    • I had heard in the early going that the tapes (which outlined a motive) would show a “political” motive that would be “surprising” to many.

      Scattering innumerable (non-essential) guns around the suite would seem to play into an anti-2nd Amendment motive designed to be such a shocking thing as to galvanize Congress to do a ban on weapons and possibly the Second Amendment itself.

      If this were true, Paddock seems to have been rather naive.

      Still think this may have been a secondary motive, coupled with Trump/Republican hatred.

      gda

      October 17, 2017 at 4:43 pm

  4. Check mark

    Dave

    October 17, 2017 at 10:13 am

  5. “No person, no problem.” (Stalin)

    Anthony

    October 17, 2017 at 10:33 am

  6. Gun running deal gone bad is my favorite one.

    Ronald McDonald

    October 17, 2017 at 10:33 am

    • Why would anyone buy guns illegally in a hotel room when you can buy them legally at any sporting goods store?

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      October 17, 2017 at 12:02 pm

      • Because you couldnt pass a background check. for instance you are in the country illegally with a criminal record.

        Lion o' the Turambar

        October 17, 2017 at 1:05 pm

      • Selling guns out of a large hotel with security and cameras all over the place is very unlikely.

        Lewis Medlock

        October 17, 2017 at 1:13 pm

      • @Lewis Medlock,

        “Selling guns out of a large hotel with security and cameras all over the place is very unlikely.”

        Why? That security and those cameras didn’t do anyone much good did they? He got the guns past them, didn’t he?

        gothamette

        October 17, 2017 at 4:18 pm

      • “Why? That security and those cameras didn’t do anyone much good did they? He got the guns past them, didn’t he?”

        Yes, he got the guns past security and the cameras but it’s pretty stupid to run guns out of an upscale hotel. Most people who would buy an illegal gun aren’t exactly squeeky clean and would attract suspicion. Plus even more presentable people coming and going out of his room would be a red flag. Unless that place was run by the Keystone Cops and they’re totally incompetent/paid off it’s a bad idea.

        Lewis Medlock

        October 17, 2017 at 5:36 pm

      • gothamette: The surveillance would also help the authorities investigate the crime after the fact. Gun running is not a one and done crime like a suicidal spree killing.

        Magnavox

        October 17, 2017 at 6:12 pm

      • I notice movies have these scenes where this happens, but I have a tough time imagining it in real life.

        If you can’t pass a background check, the easiest method is just to have someone you know (wife, girlfriend) who can pass a background check do it.

        Method 2: Online.

        Method 3: Gun shows.

        So to go with the “shady guy in hotel room method”, you have to somehow have no one in your life that you trust who lacks a criminal record, be computer illiterate, and yet somehow be connected enough to get in touch with a shady guy who will meet you in a hotel room and who trusts you enough to meet you there.

        Wency

        October 17, 2017 at 9:03 pm

      • “Selling guns out of a large hotel with security and cameras all over the place is very unlikely.”

        You can put a lot of guns in a golf bag carrier. Hotels in Vegas are loaded with golfers carrying their golf bag(s) around in a bag carrier; it’s normal behavior there or any other place with a lot of out of town golfers, and doesn’t attract attention. Security and cameras are only a problem when you’re doing something that looks suspicious or unusual.

        “Why would anyone buy guns illegally in a hotel room when you can buy them legally at any sporting goods store”

        They might be (or the buyer might believe them to be) an illegal type of gun. They buyer might not be able to pass a background check. The buyer might be getting a really good deal. The buyer might want guns that have no paper/data trail, or do have one that’s fake or misleading. You can buy a shotgun at Cabelas, but you probably can’t buy a handgun stolen from a police department.

        J1

        October 17, 2017 at 10:22 pm

      • “Method 2: Online.

        Method 3: Gun shows.

        So to go with the “shady guy in hotel room method” “

        Method 2 is incorrect: you can purchase a gun online but the actual delivery of it to your hot little hands occurs at an FFL, who then performs whatever checks are necessary in that jurisdiction. So you have gotten around nothing.

        Method 3 is also wrong since if you go to a gun show you also have to go through a background check. The only exception is if you are making a purchase from a private individual, just like if you were buying a hunting rifle from a widow.

        So your Method 3 is actually just “make a purchase from a private individual” which could have been exactly what what happening here with Stephen Paddock. There is nothing magic about the word “gun show”.

        Lets suppose that you were going to sell weapons to a dubious character. Why do that in a wide open gun show at the fair ground with cops everywhere? The better place would be behind closed doors in an upscale hotel where both sides feel secure and the porter can bring the baggage cart to help you out with your golf clubs.

        And the retiree selling you the guns is registered at the hotel under his girl friends name and the one of the security guards is in on it.

        It would be nice if they released a list of guns so people could judge if there was a reason to buy that many of those particular types. Other than stock on hand for resale.

        Lion of the Turambar

        October 18, 2017 at 8:37 am

      • Last time I went to a gun show (which was quite a long time ago), you had “private” sellers there who made it a selling point that you could just buy the gun without having to do a background check. I don’t think things have changed since then.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        October 18, 2017 at 10:06 am

      • Yes- a private seller doesnt have to do a background check. There is nothing magical about a gun show. A dealer must always do a background check- even at a gun show.

        A private seller doesnt do a background check- in their living room, at a gun show or in a comped hotel room.

        – an advantage of doing business in a casino hotel might be that they pay off can be done inconspicuously via chips and gambling winnings verses piles of cash in a living room

        – when you were at the gun show did you notice the tons of cops? There are off duty and retired law enforcement everywhere browsing around. Not a place to pass under the radar.

        Lion o' the Turambar

        October 18, 2017 at 10:29 am

      • If it was a gunning deal gone bad, it just happened to take place right above a concert? And if it went south, why shoot up a bunch of people? Why not just shoot Paddock who screwed them over? Or hurl his body through the window Die Hard style?

        And why not some $60 night dingy motel on the outskirts to do business? Mandalay Bay? That’s too tryhard and will dent your profit margin. At least the theories are fun to pick off.

        Ronald McDonald

        October 19, 2017 at 12:20 pm

  7. Most likely conspiracy:

    Paddock was another Trump/Repub hater/hunter. Coverup of motive is happening to tamp down any possibility of revenge been taken on the left by crazier elements of the right.

    gda

    October 17, 2017 at 11:00 am

  8. In retrospect, perhaps the police first responders could have done more and saved some civilian lives. But in dealing with heavily armed perps, the cops are trained to hold back until they have overwhelming superiority in firepower. If the cops had only their pistols and maybe a shotgun or two, they would have been badly outclassed by a man with machine guns.

    Black Death

    October 17, 2017 at 11:02 am

  9. OT but did you see famed economist Marc “Dr. Doom” Faber’s recent controversial HBD comments regarding white America?

    B.T.D.T.

    October 17, 2017 at 1:18 pm

  10. soon after the shooting story broke, there were reports that the police were on the scene but did nothing because paddock was still shooting…this truth is being hidden because the media/police don’t want to make the cops look bad…we white populist dissidents support the police in general, but we should not…the police are the enforcers of the establishment….cowardly enforcers, however

    Propagandist Hacker

    October 17, 2017 at 6:41 pm


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