Lion of the Blogosphere

A fifth woman?

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According to the NY Times:

The new accuser, Beverly Young Nelson, told a news conference in New York that Mr. Moore attacked her when she was 16 and he was a prosecutor in Etowah County, Ala. Ms. Nelson was represented at the news conference by Gloria Allred, a lawyer who has championed victims of sexual harassment.

“I tried fighting him off, while yelling at him to stop, but instead of stopping, he began squeezing my neck attempting to force my head onto his crotch,” Ms. Nelson said in a statement she issued at the news conference. She said Mr. Moore warned her that “no one will believe you” if she told anyone about the encounter in his car.

This accusation sounds fake to me. Her story is inconsistent with the Washington Post article where it appeared that Roy Moore liked them young, but approached those teenagers with nice-guy beta-male white-knight game, and was completely non-violent. I got the impression that he saw himself as a good guy (yes, even though most people reading the Washington Post story seem eager to get the impression that he’s a creep/pervert/child molester/whatever).

This new story sounds just like the sort of fake accusation that someone would make up for political reasons, which is why I find it less believable.

That Gloria Allred is already involved is also highly suspicious.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

November 13, 2017 at 4:00 pm

Posted in Politics, Uncategorized

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  1. They claim Moore signed her high school yearbook.

    The Undiscovered Jew

    November 13, 2017 at 4:06 pm

  2. She says he was squeezing her neck and trying to take off her shirt at the same time. While in a car.

    So Roy Moore apparently has four hands.

    The whole “I’M the DA and YOU’RE just a kid…bwahahaha!” is so Lifetime movie.

    Fiddlesticks

    November 13, 2017 at 4:16 pm

    • He could have had one hand on the steering wheel and one on her neck.

      gothamette

      November 13, 2017 at 9:22 pm

  3. How does Moore signing her HS yearbook prove that he tried to rape her?

    Otis the Sweaty

    November 13, 2017 at 4:24 pm

    • It doesn’t but it adds credibility to the allegations. Why would a local attorney in his 30s sign the yearbook of a teenage girl he isn’t related to?

      The Undiscovered Jew

      November 13, 2017 at 6:08 pm

      • Maybe he was a mentor or church youth group leader.

        Tom

        November 13, 2017 at 9:16 pm

      • Maybe he was a mentor or church youth group leader.

        Moore now says he never knew this woman at all.

        I’m going to have to agree with McConnell – time to pull the plug on this candidacy.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        November 13, 2017 at 9:44 pm

      • “I’m going to have to agree with McConnell – time to pull the plug on this candidacy.”

        It’s a tough call. There’s a lot to dislike about Roy Moore, and while the charges might be false, Moore’s weak, equivocal denial, and a fifth woman accusing him make me uneasy about him.

        I know Roy Moore isn’t as bad as Ted Kennedy and Bill Clinton, but still, doesn’t mean I have to turn a blind eye to his character.

        On the other hand, simply “disavowing” him like a cuck just emboldens the left. They will never give Republicans any appreciation for denouncing their bad apples. End of story.

        I also don’t have any illusions. If the Republicans set up an alternative to Moore (such as calling for Luther Strange to be written in), then Moore will stay in and the Democrats will likely gain another Senate seat.

        So I don’t know. On the one hand, the charges have hit my already mild support for Moore, and I think the guy is just bad news. On the other hand, the Democrats think it’s courageous to mutilate children with sex change surgeries, routinely ignore their own vile elements, and will do all they can to open the borders and ruin America. Moore is strongly against open borders, at least.

        If I were an Alabaman, I would hold my nose and vote for Moore, but it’s up to Alabamans to make their own call.

        Sid

        November 14, 2017 at 12:18 am

      • If I were an Alabaman, I would hold my nose and vote for Moore, but it’s up to Alabamans to make their own call.

        If he wins he will be expelled by the Senate (but will they do the same to Bob Menendez?)

        The danger is if he loses the seat. To prevent that the Governor should change the date of the special election.

        Mo Brooks would be a good replacement if Moore’s situation is untenable. By not piling on Moore, Brooks has given himself points with Conservatives if Brooks ends up as the replacement.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        November 14, 2017 at 2:33 pm

      • Agreed on postponing the election for a year and getting Mo Brooks in. Among other things, I resent the way the news media presented these charges at the last moment, not giving Luther Strange a chance. It’s a dirty trick and it shouldn’t be rewarded.

        It will be next to impossible to persuade Roy Moore to step down, however. Would Trump threatening to publicly denounce him do the trick? Maybe, but even that is unlikely.

        Sid

        November 14, 2017 at 5:00 pm

      • It will be next to impossible to persuade Roy Moore to step down, however. Would Trump threatening to publicly denounce him do the trick?

        I think the Alabama GOP can force him off the ballot two months before the election, but not earlier.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        November 14, 2017 at 6:01 pm

      • “If he wins he will be expelled by the Senate (but will they do the same to Bob Menendez?)”

        They just might but that would be terrible, as if they are confirming that they are a gentleman’s club which has the right to overturn the will of the people.

        gothamette

        November 15, 2017 at 10:26 am

      • @TuJ

        Trump did not endorse this guy. Wonder if…. he knew something?

        gothamette

        November 15, 2017 at 10:32 am

    • He signed it “I’M the DA and YOU’RE just a kid…bwahahaha! k.i.t.” A dead giveaway.

      Greg Pandatshang

      November 13, 2017 at 11:46 pm

  4. That Gloria Allred is involved means that the accusation is fake.

    Otis the Sweaty

    November 13, 2017 at 4:25 pm

    • That was my impression as well. Of course the story portraying Moore as some sort of comic book villain didn’t help, but just knowing Allred is involved means I can safely dismiss this story.

      Mike Street Station

      November 14, 2017 at 2:25 pm

  5. Beverly Young Nelson looks and sounds middle class, but perhaps she comes from a prole background and married up. Maybe Moore tried to charm teens from respectable backgrounds, but raped worthless prole teens who no one cares about and who no one would believe.

    Watching the video, Nelson sounds honest to me, but after listening to Mitch McConnell today and hearing how giddy NPR hosts were when covering this story, I hope Moore stays in the race and wins in a landslide.

    Horace Pinker

    November 13, 2017 at 4:56 pm

  6. Gloria Allred’s daughter Lisa Bloom was repping Harvey Weinstein until she got shamed out of it.

    gothamette

    November 13, 2017 at 6:27 pm

    • McConnell has asked for Moore to step aside.

      The woman seems convincing, though Allred is detestable. She seems very Juanita Broaddrick-like. A down-home Southern gal, not a liberal.

      gothamette

      November 13, 2017 at 7:05 pm

      • How can he step aside? It’s too late to get his name off the ballot. He could back a write-in candidate. He could ask the governor to delay the vote so there’s time to get someone else on the ballot.

        Or he could just promise to resign immediately if elected so as to trigger another primary.

        Greg Pandatshang

        November 13, 2017 at 11:50 pm

      • Not a lawyer, but he could resign from the ticket, no?

        gothamette

        November 14, 2017 at 10:14 am

    • There have to be more accusations in the pipeline.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      November 13, 2017 at 9:45 pm

      • Probably…but this one is bad. It has the ring of truth, even with Allred’s loathsome presence.

        gothamette

        November 14, 2017 at 4:48 am

  7. This morning:

    Female lib#1: Moore is disgusting
    Female lib#2: I can’t believe anyone would vote for him
    Me: Hey, did you know Mohammed married a nine year old?
    Female libs: Stunned silence

    Juan DeShawn Arafat

    November 13, 2017 at 6:32 pm

    • They married when she was 6, the marriage was consummated when she was 9.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      November 13, 2017 at 7:23 pm

      • LDS elder and presidential candidate Mitt Romney thinks Roy Moore should quit the election. Meanwhile, each Sunday he goes to church and pays respect to his church-founding prophet, polygamist Joseph Smith,who was married to a 14 year old and involved with many other young girls. Romney will probably be Orin Hatch’s replacement in the Senate.

        cesqy

        November 13, 2017 at 8:18 pm

    • I’m glad to see Republicans are finally owning the Christian Sharia moniker..

      Kaz

      November 13, 2017 at 8:34 pm

  8. Funny, Lolita was on TV just last week. The culture has been awash in pedophilia for as long as I can remember. It’s everywhere, esp hollywood and nashville.

    I thought men just naturally preferred young, but some were more heedful of the legalities than others.

    So this whole outing phenom seems like a charade. Why are men being so pompous and phony about it.

    Mrs Stitch

    November 13, 2017 at 9:42 pm

  9. The woman is reading a statement from a paper. Looks like a fraud. I listened a little to Moore and he seems to be pretty good as far as having the right policies for the country. Who knows what else will happen, but for now ye should stay in the race. I would have voted for him, if they could.

    Yakov

    November 13, 2017 at 10:16 pm

  10. Hopefully Moore wins just to buttfuck the people assaulting heteronormative sexual relations. Those who seek to undermine masculinity are just as much the enemy as any communist worm.

    Paul Ryan's Sickly Old Lap Dog

    November 13, 2017 at 10:23 pm

  11. Rich Lowry is a NeverTrump weirdo who likes to surrender to Democrats because it makes him feel morally superior, but he didn’t invent the quotes from Moore here which are making it legitimately hard to defend him:

    http://nypost.com/2017/11/13/roy-moores-pathetic-defense-against-sexual-assault-charges/

    Moore is in a tough spot. It’s a funny problem too, because only one of the four Washington Post charges is really damaging to his campaign — that’s the accusation that he tried to make it with a 14 year old girl. The other stories, however true they are, were all with women of legal age and consensual. That’s probably why we never heard about them before, despite Moore being a combative public figure for 20 years. They’re not actually scandalous in the context of Alabama culture. However they give circumstantial plausibility to the Leigh Corfman account, a realization which seems to have thrown Moore into a panic.

    Moore’s responses to this have been pathetic. If he’s innocent of the one crime in the story, he should have calmly admitted to whatever was true in the WaPo report and stood by his personal integrity when it came to everything else. Instead he did the worst possible thing. He denied everything, said it was all lies, but as Lowry notes he’s been backtracking on several vital points. Now he just looks like a lying weasel — as you would if you lie — and it’s getting easy to believe he’s a statutory rapist. That’s quite a PR cock-up.

    Story #5 sounds the fakest of all, but since Moore has been twisting himself in circles his denial carries less weight by the day.

    There is no chance that Moore drops out of the race, and I wouldn’t either if I was in his position. Forget politics, this is your life. If he steps away from a nomination he was fairly elected to because of child sex abuse charges he is done forever as a man of good character. Everyone would see it as an admission of guilt. At least if he loses he could still walk home insisting on his innocence.

    The GOPe is talking up a write-in campaign, which is just dumb and cowardly. It would split the Republican vote and ensure a Democrat victory. The only solution, besides sticking with Moore and praying he can brazen it out, is for Alabama’s GOP establishment to step in and rejigger everything. Sure, supposedly Moore’s name can’t be taken off the ballot, but the election is a month away and it’s hard for me to believe that a dedicated study of the law couldn’t come up with something. Postpone the election, scrub it on a technicality, pass some rush legislation, something, anything. When Robert Torricelli was caught up in a financial scandal 15 years ago his name was supposedly unremovable from the ballot too, but New Jersey was completely controlled by the Democratic Party and they used their power to make it happen. A one-party state has tremendous power and they should use it. Alabama didn’t give all that to the Republican Party for them to walk away from a Senate seat.

    Richard

    November 14, 2017 at 12:24 pm

    • ” Forget politics, this is your life. If he steps away from a nomination he was fairly elected to because of child sex abuse charges he is done forever as a man of good character. Everyone would see it as an admission of guilt. At least if he loses he could still walk home insisting on his innocence.”

      Yeah it really would like an admission of guilt if he quit. He’s not going to allow himself to be smeared that way in front of his family, so it’s a fight to the finish.

      Mike Street Station

      November 14, 2017 at 2:28 pm

  12. There is not any evidence, and there can never be any evidence. Just he said vs. she said.

    Nobody ever said anything for 40 years and then all of a sudden you have a coordinated attack? Very suspicious.

    Anyone can make an accusation.

    Dan

    November 14, 2017 at 4:20 pm

  13. This seems very similar to when Trump got attacked by a ton of women at once at the time of the Billy Bush tapes. There were something like 12 or 15 accusers saying stuff about Trump. Those women all disappeared since the election.

    The idea of ‘believing the women’ is insane. A liberal activist only has to be willing to lie and then a political scandal can be created out of thin air.

    Dan

    November 14, 2017 at 4:25 pm

  14. There seems to be a lot of evidence that this Gloria Alred attack is a hoax. See the Thomas Wictor twitter feed.

    Dan

    November 14, 2017 at 4:32 pm

  15. Roy Moore in a Hannity radio interview says he does not recall dating any girls 18 or younger when he was in his 30s.

    Then he says it would be “out of my customary behavior.”

    Then he says “I don’t remember dating any girl without the permission of her mother.”

    So, he definitely was dating girls younger than 18 in his 30s.

    mikeca

    November 14, 2017 at 4:37 pm


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