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Automation to put 70 million Americans out of work

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/11/30/robots-could-soon-replace-nearly-a-third-of-the-u-s-workforce/?utm_term=.45a413bf9cbe

The Washington Post reports on a study that alleges that between now and 2030, that’s only 13 years, automation will put 70 million Americans out of work.

We must stop immigration now. The argument that we need immigrants to do jobs Americans won’t do is false. The economy of the future needs fewer workers, not more.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

December 1, 2017 at EDT am

Posted in Robots, Uncategorized

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  1. More good news:

    http://www.pewforum.org/2017/11/29/europes-growing-muslim-population/

    But let’s laugh a little. The two gay Americans (such ambassadors) who bared their butts in front of the Buddhist temple in Thailand are now in custody, and if Trump intervenes on their behalf, I’ll vote Democrat next election.

    gothamette

    December 1, 2017 at EDT am

    • Looks like former Soviet-bloc countries have been able to keep out the muzzies.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      December 1, 2017 at EDT am

      • I wish Poland and other former Communist countries deserved the praise they get. However, if you look at this map:

        you will see that Portugal also has an East-European proportion of Muslim population.
        So I think economics is the main factor. Countries that are relatively poor and have a porous border with a wealthier neighbor have low Muslim population.

        WRB

        December 1, 2017 at EDT am

      • Southern Europe doesn’t attract East Asians, so why would they attract Muslims from Pakistan?

        The Anglosphere is where the most jobs and opportunities are found.

        Trying getting a job in French Speaking Canada. It’s hard and French speakers who are in dire need of work head over to Ontario or even apply for immigration to the United States.

        JS

        December 1, 2017 at EDT am

      • muslims do the terrorism europeans won’t do.

        ron burgundy el-din

        December 1, 2017 at EDT pm

      • “muslims do the terrorism europeans won’t do.”

        Brilliant!

        Mike Street Station

        December 2, 2017 at EDT am

  2. Alarmist claims of this sort have been around for decades and nothing much has ever happened.

    Peter

    ironrailsironweights

    December 1, 2017 at EDT am

  3. How many women are in the workforce? That should get us most of the way to a 70 million reduction.

    Andrew E.

    December 1, 2017 at EDT am

  4. The real issue for most people is wage stagnation and low wages, not the lack of jobs.

    JS

    December 1, 2017 at EDT am

  5. US has record low unemployment today. But in 13 years 70 million will be out of work replaced by robots? Don’t make me laugh now. It’s a good propaganda talking point to stop immigration, so by all means max out on its benefits, just don’t beleive this nonsense yourself. OK?

    Yakov

    December 1, 2017 at EDT am

    • Low unemployment is false according to stats. Many people who stop looking work are not counted as unemployed.

      JS

      December 3, 2017 at EDT am

  6. If human were half way rational or decent, this would be great news and triumph for leisure, self-fulfillment, and happiness.

    fakeemail

    December 1, 2017 at EDT am

    • Fake news. That level of automation is at least a century away. We need immigrants in recent future for a lot of jobs positions that are going unfilled. We need more legal immigrants and less illegals.

      mpt

      December 1, 2017 at EDT am

      • 20 subcons to your home by tomorrow!

        Vincent

        December 3, 2017 at EDT pm

  7. Roomba did not change in 15 years. Why would anything change in 13?

    My Two Cents

    December 1, 2017 at EDT pm

  8. This is the argument being made for Universal Income. If everyone will be out of work, how will they support themselves? They can’t, so they should be given money.
    And that’s how you create a permanent underclass. Make them think that the only way to survive is to have the government support you.

    Half Canadian

    December 1, 2017 at EDT pm

    • ‘If everyone will be out of work, how will they support themselves?’

      Necessity is the mother if invention.

      Yakov

      December 1, 2017 at EDT pm

  9. the lack of real jobs occasioned by automation is the solution to the “productivity paradox”. when 10% are engaged in real work and the remainder are engaged in bs or not engaged, output divided by hours stagnates. duh! https://dupress.deloitte.com/dup-us-en/economy/behind-the-numbers/decoding-declining-stagnant-productivity-growth.html

    ron burgundy el-din

    December 1, 2017 at EDT pm

  10. People are put out of work regularly by automation. How many fewer tellers do we have now? How many fewer people do we have processing payments because people pay so much on line now or with ach? How many gas station attendants were eliminated? How many farm workers have been eliminated over the years.

    I am still all for stopping just about all immigration with only a few exceptions that might amount to a few thousand people a year.

    ttgy

    December 1, 2017 at EDT pm

  11. Automation happened before with the industrial revolution, while it eliminated some jobs it also created new ones. So I am not really worried about all this doom and gloom predictions. I also think that AI/ML are over hyped and are far from performing certain tasks which are currently done by manual labor or cognitive labor. They said driverless cars will be functional on 2020, that’s not so far so let’s wait and see. I predict they won’t be ready to drive on regular roads, only in dedicated controlled areas, same as automatic trains.

    Hashed

    December 1, 2017 at EDT pm

    • We’ve already run that experiment. Automation is creating jobs, but far fewer than the ones we’re losing and the people who are losing the jobs are not qualified for the new ones. I think this time it’s different.

      Mike Street Station

      December 2, 2017 at EDT am

  12. Automation? Beaners are still picking the beans and will be for the next 100 years.

    Vincent

    December 3, 2017 at EDT pm

  13. This automation nonsense is ridiculous. I don’t why you can’t get this through your skull. Robot couch potato utopia is never going to happen. The American Society Of Civil Engineers report just gave American infrastructure a D+ in a very thoughtful and detailed report. We can’t maintain our pipelines, our roads, aqueducts, or our electrical grid. This is the society you think is about to be automated by robots? How are these robots going to work without electricity and water and oil?

    It’s totally delusional. We have massive need for skilled people to get to work with tools rebuilding and maintaining all the stuff that was built in the 50s and 60s that is falling apart now. Your basic income fantasy is childish and lazy. Welfare/SNAP/EBT/CHIP must be slashed to nothing and a lot of people need to learn to work with their hands. There is ZERO evidence of robotic automation for most of the important work.

    bobbybobbob

    December 3, 2017 at EDT pm

    • “The American Society Of Civil Engineers report just gave American infrastructure a D+ in a very thoughtful and detailed report. We can’t maintain our pipelines, our roads, aqueducts, or our electrical grid”

      This is caused by cost disease: https://lionoftheblogosphere.wordpress.com/2017/05/30/cost-disease/

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      December 3, 2017 at EDT pm

      • I don’t think your response here is very well thought through. It’s not cost disease, like has happened with medicine. It’s straightforward lack of investment in maintenance with the power grid and the water infrastructure. It’s short-termism in the name of near-term profit. Huge pieces of the grid clearly needed to be retooled 20 years ago and it just hasn’t been done. Same with the dams and aquifers out west (cf. the Oroville catastrophe).

        Reading about the grid alone gives the laugh to all this electric car nonsense. Not gonna happen. The grid is already on its knees and charging hundreds of thousands cars every day is out of the question.

        The robot farm stuff is all based on the assumption of enormous multi-hectare farms out west that are pumping down aquifers and blasting out huge amounts of petrochemical product. Neither the aquifers, the power to pump them, not the petro chemical products are going to be available going forward. Robot farms is not happening. Farming is going to move back to fertile soil where it rains, and the efforts to work it will involve considerably more human expertise and muscle.

        bobbybobbob

        December 3, 2017 at EDT pm

  14. If corporate policy wants to get rid of labor, then that is what will happen.

    That is the problem.

    map

    December 4, 2017 at EDT am


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