Lion of the Blogosphere

Are rich kids more likely to be screw-ups?

I believe that poor people like to believe that rich kids are more likely to be screw-ups so they can feel better about their own poverty.

But what do we mean by rich? Do we mean extreme wealth like the kids interviewed in the documentary “Born Rich” (who don’t necessarily represent an accurate cross-section of the extreme-wealth social class), or just regular everyday wealth, meaning upper-middle class parents who pay for their childrens’ education so that they have no student loans to pay off, and then provide them with the living expenses they need to live in an apartment in Manhattan, or have car if they live in a location where a car is pretty much a necessity (which are most places outside of Manhattan).

I’ve previously written about the working rich: “Today, it’s considered low class to not have some kind of job.” The importance of having a career or something “to do” is indoctrinated into rich young people in private school and then in college.

In the world as I see it, the best career tracks (either because they pay the most money, or because they are perceived as being desirable on account of providing self-actualization, even though in the real world the term “self-actualization” is rarely used) tend to be dominated by people who didn’t have to pay back any student loans and received financial support from their parents so that they could live in Manhattan (or San Francisco or some other city known for having the best careers).

I think this attitude even extends to children of extreme wealth. Take Trump’s kids, all of them are college graduates, the three oldest have jobs (working for Trump’s business), the youngest daughter is in law school at Georgetown. Compare Trump’s kids to the screw-ups that are Sarah Palin’s kids. Sarah Palin’s kids picked up crappy prole values in the crappy prole public schools in Wasilla, Alaska, while Trump’s kids picked up upper-class values in elite private schools in Manhattan.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

December 27, 2017 at 12:47 PM

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  1. “Sarah Palin’s kids picked up crappy prole values in the crappy prole public schools in Wasilla, Alaska, while Trump’s kids picked up upper-class values in elite private schools in Manhattan.”

    What about billionaire super genes? This is an HBD blog after all. DJT obviously has a very high IQ although he talks prole.

    Dan

    December 27, 2017 at 12:50 PM

    • The Trumps strike me as being only above average in intelligence. But there is some spark of genius there – see who the president’s uncle was.

      IHTG

      December 27, 2017 at 2:31 PM

      • The Trump family values education, which is a sign of intelligence, but not proof of it.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        December 27, 2017 at 2:35 PM

      • They value vocational education, there is a difference.

        JS

        December 27, 2017 at 2:51 PM

      • There’s the prolier business elite which Trump is part of and then there are our elites.

        http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-donald-trump-revolution-elites-intellectuals-20161114-story.html

        JS

        December 27, 2017 at 2:54 PM

      • I believe he’s highly intelligent (either that, or has an excellent memory, sometimes it’s hard to tell the difference) but he’s socially sophisticated enough to play it down, or even play dumb to get people to trust him and make his enemies underestimate him. To the bitter end, and even now, he is routinely called a joke and a buffoon by the left.

        It is remarkable he managed to produce so many sane productive children despite massive wealth, fame and multiple divorces. Maybe he chose women who would be good mothers. All three (it’s three right?) strike me as committed, stable mothers. Melania especially is very sweet and maternal.

        He also eschews all drugs and alcohol and expects the same of his kids. This a huge strength of trump that is often overlooked. How many politicians don’t touch alcohol?

        toomanyspiders

        December 27, 2017 at 4:20 PM

      • Mike Pence drinks, but only when he’s with his wife. I can’t imagine him getting drunk.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        December 27, 2017 at 4:39 PM

      • Well, Trump is a Manhattanite and a well known businessman. You need to be on your toes all the time in order to thrive in Manhattan.

        The usual hedonistic and degenerate hipster in NYC isn’t made for the long haul.

        JS

        December 27, 2017 at 5:20 PM

      • And don’t forget his sister Maryanne Trump Barry, a federal judge in NJ. One needs still needs to be a pretty sharp lawyer to get that far.

        sestamibi

        December 27, 2017 at 5:55 PM

      • >>He also eschews all drugs and alcohol and expects the same of his kids. This a huge strength of trump that is often overlooked. How many politicians don’t touch alcohol?

        I agree with this point. The fact that Trump has NEVER had any interest in alcohol or drugs has helped him enormously in his business career and family life. Some people don’t realize how much time, energy and focus even just moderate alcohol and drug use can consume. 1) the time spent at bars and swanky clubs, 2) the damaged time dealing with the family while one is still under the influence after coming home and 3) the substandard use of time while one recovers from the hangover.

        I don’t know if it is genetic, his avoidance intoxicants. Both Scots and Germans are highly prone to alcoholism, but he did witness his older brother essentially kill himself through alcohol abuse. This has clearly had an impact on him.

        And since Trump doesn’t give a shit about art or literature (he doesn’t read books, go to galleries or symphonies. I don’t think he gives a shit about pop music either), he has been able to devote an enormous amount of time to business strategizing and execution. I believe Trump to be a lot smarter than his enemies will grant him credit for. And what he lacks in smarts he just overwhelms in energy.

        Daniel

        December 27, 2017 at 5:56 PM

      • “Mike Pence drinks, but only when he’s with his wife. I can’t imagine him getting drunk.”

        He stops at 2 ginger ales.

        Mike Street Station

        December 30, 2017 at 9:20 AM

  2. Let’s not forget how lifestyles diverge just when comparing children born to two college-educated parents vs the rest. Talk about the benefits of genes and environment. Most negative trends are not visible or even negated for the first group. For example, divorce rates have been skyrocketing for the bulk of the US, but for the kids of two-college educated parents (no single moms especially) divorce rates have stayed at around 25% or so since the 1990s.

    ivan1917

    December 27, 2017 at 1:15 PM

    • Divorce rates for kids of two college parents could be low because fewer of them marry in the first place. Marriage is entirely optional today. The middle and upper classes often postpone marriage because they are concentrating on their careers. Proles go to college less and don’t tend to have careers that require so much preparation. So they tend to marry younger. Prole women especially put marriage and especially child-rearing at the top of their priority list. Even when I was in high school in the late 1970’s it was considered silly to marry before the age of 22 if you were aspiring to a professional career. College had to come first. And a bride under the age of 22 was likely to have to drop out of college if she got pregnant.

      maryk

      December 27, 2017 at 2:28 PM

      • Today’s proles go to college.

        What really sets SWPL types from proles in college today is study abroad programs.

        The former are more likely to go to Paris, Madrid or an exotic locale for one or a few semesters during their college years. Seeing the world during college is life changing experience that the prolier types often neglect, because they don’t have the money or refuse to look beyond their horizons.

        JS

        December 27, 2017 at 2:48 PM

      • “because they don’t have the money or refuse to look beyond their horizons.”

        People who can’t afford something will often convince themselves that it’s something not that important anyway, in order to make themselves feel better about their poverty.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        December 27, 2017 at 2:53 PM

      • >>People who can’t afford something will often convince themselves that it’s something not that important anyway, in order to make themselves feel better about their poverty.

        Nothing wrong with that. That is actually a healthy way to deal with poverty, instead of endlessly stewing with frustration and envy.

        Daniel

        December 27, 2017 at 5:58 PM

  3. “Sarah Palin’s kids picked up crappy prole values in the crappy prole public schools in Wasilla, Alaska”.
    I tend to think proles are born, not made. The Palin’s are proles who want to be around other proles. Now that Sarah Palin has fame, she still chooses to live around other proles.

    Clay

    December 27, 2017 at 1:24 PM

    • Greater America is a wery wery prolish place. Frenchmen think their new world cousins in Canada are prolish. But Americans take the cake as being the prolier of the North American Whites.

      JS

      December 27, 2017 at 1:47 PM

      • “Greater America is a wery wery prolish place.”

        As you’ve said every day for the how many years?

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        December 27, 2017 at 2:02 PM

      • It gets truer by the day. There aren’t many places in America, where proles haven’t set a tone for their existence.

        JS

        December 27, 2017 at 2:09 PM

  4. As a parent, I find all of this awfully thought-provoking, as heretofore I would actually have agreed that rich kids are less likely to fulfill their theoretical potential (a phrasing I would prefer over “more likely to be screw-ups).

    I suppose this is partly owing to my own experience, in which I paid my own way through undergrad and medical school and in fact lent my *parents* money for a period of time. I would have said, unequivocally, that this experience was Good For Me, and engendered within me a work ethic that has been invaluable.

    However, on reflection, I realize for the first time that if my parents had had the means to support me, I probably could have landed on my feet even in the absence of the good decisions that I actually made.

    I suppose, then, that you might say that having pulled myself up by my bootstraps has made me happier and more contented (because of a better sense of perspective on life), but perhaps not more “successful”.

    S.J., Esquire

    December 27, 2017 at 1:30 PM

  5. Trump’s kids do not seem very smart. His two sons seem average at best but Barron seems like he might be sharp. Money can hide a lot of flaws or at least dazzle those without it to ignore them. How smart are the elite when Jared Kushner’s father paid like 2.5 million for Jared to go to Harvard?

    NotWesley

    December 27, 2017 at 1:33 PM

    • Jared married the ultimate shiksa goddess. Pretty smart!

      In any event, the fact that the Trump kids and the Kushner kids all seem to have great and financially lucrative careers despite not seeming sharp demonstrates the benefit of having rich parents.

      Barron has some sort of learning or developmental disability. That’s the rumor in Manhattan coming from parents of children who attended school with him.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      December 27, 2017 at 1:43 PM

      • However, Jared’s dad is a sketchy character.

        JS

        December 27, 2017 at 1:52 PM

      • The prevalence of dyslexia among entrepreneurs has often been noted:

        Anthony

        December 27, 2017 at 2:27 PM

      • Children born to older fathers are more likely to have developmental and health problems even if the mother is younger. Although melania was in her 30s when she had barron which is ‘old’ biologically.

        Ivanka is very sharp and articulate.

        toomanyspiders

        December 27, 2017 at 4:25 PM

  6. “Sarah Palin’s kids picked up crappy prole values in the crappy prole public schools in Wasilla, Alaska, while Trump’s kids picked up upper-class values in elite private schools in Manhattan”

    Yes, this is a moot comparison.

    I made a comment previously that Trump’s Manhattan proleness is of a higher status than anyone who lives up in Alaska.

    JS

    December 27, 2017 at 1:41 PM

    • And again, greater America outside of Manhattan should be a crap-shoot for anyone who frequents this blog.

      JS

      December 27, 2017 at 1:44 PM

  7. I think the children of the rich are more likely to be neurotic, and self critical broadly. This is because their parents tend to be more intelligent, aware of detail, and energetic. The children inherit these traits, and employ them to achieve education and social status, instead of money alone. They get money as well, but the social status has more value to them.

    The combination of an eye for detail, a progressive education, and a deep awareness of social status lead to personal insecurity. This neurotic self-image finds it’s way into books, plays, movies, and other media, because the children of the rich have a leading role in producing these. Often they portray themselves (through fictional children of the rich) as screw ups, because this is how they feel… but not exactly as it is.

    Lowe

    December 27, 2017 at 2:11 PM

    • That’s what Steve Sailer says about a lot of semi-autobiographical TV shows and movies. Hannah in Girls is a less successful less smart and more neurotic version of Lena Dunham. Ditto for Seinfeld’s TV show.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      December 27, 2017 at 2:14 PM

  8. > I believe that poor people like to believe that rich kids are more likely to be screw-ups so they can feel better about their own poverty.

    I agree with this. This is similar to the belief that unpopular kids have. They believe that they are more likely to be successful than their popular classmates. However, I have found a positive correlation between childhood popularity and adult success.

    ScarletNumber

    December 27, 2017 at 2:49 PM

  9. People tend to forget that Joe and Rose Kennedy raised three excellent sons, two of them war heroes, besides the loser Ted.

    Robert Sykes

    December 27, 2017 at 3:33 PM

  10. Could be, but the richest kid I ever knew (grew up on the 17-Mile Drive), was also the soberest. He was on a world champion crew team that won at Henley, runs a relatively conservative hedge fund.

    Marty

    December 27, 2017 at 4:18 PM

  11. I’ve been around very poor people (as in old school Appalachia poor) and toos rich. In general, the happiest kids in either group had stable (ie, no fighting) two parent households, and the parents were selflessly interested in the well being and erudition of their children, whether it be teaching them to use a chainsaw or polishing their calculus.

    The most miserable in either group had parents at emotional odds with each other, parents who were self absorbed and often abused alcohol. A lot of these parents, rich or poor, are resentful and nasty toward their kids.

    toomanyspiders

    December 27, 2017 at 4:34 PM

  12. It is a mistake to judge any group – Republicans, Alaskans, or proles in general by the behavior of the Palin family. The Palins have a very serious problem. Track is a delinquent, Bristol iacks self-restraint and dignity, Willow didn’t go to college and even turned down career help from Joan Rivers, Sarah can barely speak like a normal-IQ individual. To the best of my knowledge, only Piper is semi-normal. Something is seriously wrong in that family, although I don’t know what it is.

    maryk

    December 27, 2017 at 5:40 PM

    • I think Alaska represents America’s proledom in the Artic. It’s a state right next to the Canadian land mass, but shares nothing in common with the Canada, except Anglophone Canadians are a lesser variant of the the American prole, and Canadian cities look more orderly — this is in part coming from the French element.

      JS

      December 27, 2017 at 6:07 PM

      • How much do you know about French-Canadians JS

        IHTG

        December 28, 2017 at 5:38 PM

      • I know French Canadians love to take long lunches, sometimes 2 hour lunch breaks, similar to Spaniards what we called siestas. And no one eats at their desks. This is what Anglophones do. Eating lunch at your desk is prole.

        JS

        December 28, 2017 at 7:03 PM

      • “I know French Canadians love to take long lunches, sometimes 2 hour lunch breaks, similar to Spaniards what we called siestas.”

        So French Canadians are lazy. I guess laziness isn’t prole.

        Mike Street Station

        December 30, 2017 at 9:30 AM

  13. “Take Trump’s kids, all of them are college graduates, ”

    Um, I don’t think Barron graduated yet.

    sestamibi

    December 27, 2017 at 5:54 PM

  14. This by Enty over at Crazy Days and Nights..

    >>Sticking with the royal theme from the last blind, there is more to tell. That divorced royal couple has apparently been living together for the past several years. Apparently this couple is extremely hopeful that the person in the most ill of health in the family passes away soon. There are multiple reasons for this horrible wish. It is that person who has kept the female in the divorced couple away from public events. It is also that person who has refused to reinstate allowances for the children of the couple. That person is of the belief that the children should be working. The divorced male in the relationship has been threatening that the kids will start earning money doing reality television and other untoward things if the allowances are not reinstated. <<

    Apparently this gossip refers to the fact that old man prince Phillip, husband and consort of Queen Elizabeth, is fed up with his ne'er-do-well grandchildren, sires of Prince Harry and Fergie, who don't want to work and just wish to sponge off the vast Windsor fortune. Phillip wants them to work (though he, himself, other than his Navy service, never did an honest day's work in his life). Prince Harry threatens that they will take up "reality television" leading to unimaginable embarrassment to the Windsors if allowances are not forthcoming. What a family. Though divorced, Fergie is shacking up with Harry, because she is absolutely broke and has nowhere else to live. A while back there were wild rumors floating that Fergie was discreetly trying her hand at "escorting" with wealthy Arabian sheiks, much as Lindsay Lohan is doing today. Harry, Fergie and their kids are praying every day that old man Phillip kicks the bucket, but who knows, he may live another 10 years or so. Wealth can be a curse for some people.

    Daniel

    December 27, 2017 at 6:16 PM

  15. There is a pretty good book called Fables of Fortune by Richard Watts on the subject. Could be possible review material.

    HesterLoony

    December 28, 2017 at 3:22 AM

  16. “Are rich kids more likely to be screw-ups?”

    Probably not.

    “I believe that poor people like to believe that rich kids are more likely to be screw-ups so they can feel better about their own poverty.”

    Probably so.

    Having said that, there are still more screwed up rich kids than you’d think. Alcoholism, drugs and promiscuity as well as learning disabilities and mental illness. There are also some “failure to launch” whose parents set them up in make-work careers. Children of the rich are NOT immune from problems and failure. It’s just that their money provides a cushion. And rich parents go to great lengths to cover it up.

    destructure

    December 28, 2017 at 4:46 AM

  17. I’ve met several people with rich parents. All of them are either working for daddy’s company, working for a non profit, or “entrepreneurs.” I often wonder what the point of it is. To me work is something unpleasant you do to pay for living expenses. Why not just give them a few million each (a drop in the bucket), and let them enjoy life.

    Anon

    December 28, 2017 at 7:35 AM

    • “I often wonder what the point of it is.”

      The point is that not working is LOW CLASS and no one wants to be low class.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      December 28, 2017 at 7:37 AM

    • Enjoy life, lol! They wouldn’t know what to do the whole day.

      Yakov

      December 28, 2017 at 8:44 AM

  18. Trump gave his IQ test score taken when he was a teenager. I believe it was 148, which is almost exactly that of the Lion’s. There’s no reason to believe he is “dumb”.

    CamelCaseRob

    December 28, 2017 at 10:26 AM


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