Lion of the Blogosphere

Male nurses in the NY Times

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People in the blog comments keep talking about how men should go into trades like plumbing or HVAC.

WRONG! Nursing is the best career for men without white-collar career ambitions seeking a safe middle-class job. It’s a guaranteed middle-class salary.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

January 7, 2018 at EST am

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  1. Back when they were less common male nurses often were stereotyped as being light in the loafers (nursing shoes?), but that probably isn’t as frequent today.
    One thing I have heard is that many women patients do not want male nurses caring for them, but I would presume that most hospitals have ways of dealing with that.

    Peter

    ironrailsironweights

    January 7, 2018 at EST am

    • Given that there’s still a paucity of male nurses, that’s probably not a problem.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      January 7, 2018 at EST am

    • Nurses typically wear sneakers. I doubt the gay percentage of male nurses is that high today. It’s not like male flight attendants.

      David Pinsen

      January 7, 2018 at EST pm

  2. It is woman’s work

    ScarletNumber

    January 7, 2018 at EST am

    • My grandpa was a nurse in the Navy. My grandma, who was a hottie, met him as a nurse, married him, and quickly bore him six strong and healthy children.

      It doesn’t come any more alpha than that.

      owentt

      January 7, 2018 at EST pm

      • It would be more alpha if he were a doctor, not to mention some kind of war hero.

        Magnavox

        January 7, 2018 at EST pm

      • Shutup.

        GondwanaMan

        January 7, 2018 at EST pm

  3. I know a woman who was an ICU nurse. And she had to do all kinds of intensely personal things from wiping people’s backsides to inserting catheters. I can understand a woman not wanting a male nurse to do that. I wouldn’t even want a male nurse to do that! However, nursing can also be a very physically demanding job. You might not think so, but lifting and moving obese patients who are unable to move themselves ain’t easy. That is absolutely a job for a man. Women nurses do it. But they also end up with back problems. In fact, I know a male nurse who ended up with back problems from doing it. He was about 6ft/170 lbs and in his mid 3os. But a 400 lb woman is still heavy even for a male nurse. Some of those patients are so heavy they have to wheel them down and weigh them on the freight scale. I’m not joking.

    destructure

    January 7, 2018 at EST am

    • One of my relatives is a paramedic. He’s young and very fit, but he’s paranoid about screwing up his back on the job. Says it happens to guys all the time when they’re transporting some morbidly obese person down the stairs to the ambulance.

      Anon

      January 7, 2018 at EST pm

    • Lifting fat people (who probably smell like shit) and wiping their filthy asses goes a long way to explain why few men want this job.

      Richard

      January 7, 2018 at EST pm

    • There have always been male orderlies to help move patients.

      I had a Korean nurse wipe my ass when I was in the hospital a few years ago. She really didn’t seem into it, and wiped in the wrong direction. She was going to stop early, but I checked her work and told her she wasn’t done. I got the feeling she didn’t have a passion for the profession.

      David Pinsen

      January 7, 2018 at EST pm

      • Did you think it was hot?

        GondwanaMan

        January 7, 2018 at EST pm

      • Wrong direction…that’s another HBD quality that male nurses are superior to female nurses at – spatial ability.

        gothamette

        January 7, 2018 at EST pm

      • Did you think it was hot?

        Not in the least.

        David Pinsen

        January 8, 2018 at EST am

  4. Quite a lot of nursing jobs require more strength than women possess, especially when dealing with heavy patients. Male nurses that keep up their physical strength will not lack for work.

    owentt

    January 7, 2018 at EST pm

  5. Here’s the problem:

    You remember Dr. NAM Bello, who was trying to walk his fingers up a woman’s skirt at the hospital. Perhaps only gay men should work in environment where the majority of the workers are women, some of them are too sexually attractive for straight men. Maybe not, now that men regardless of orientation are becoming nurses.

    I see the end of man as we know it.

    JS

    January 7, 2018 at EST pm

  6. My wife’s cousin’s son-in-law is a paramedic and ER nurse. He says he sees some really, um, interesting stuff on Saturday nights, e.g. “how did that get in there?”. The usual response? “I must have sat on it.”

    Sgt. Joe Friday

    January 7, 2018 at EST pm

    • That’s an old Seinfeld bit.

      ScarletNumber

      January 7, 2018 at EST pm

  7. People in the blog comments keep talking about how men should go into plumbing or HVAC because any nursing job held by a man is a nursing job that can’t be held by a woman. Plumbing and HVAC are not, as of now, fields where women are clamoring to enter.

    njguy73

    January 7, 2018 at EST pm

  8. ResetEra is saying that Tapper destroyed Miller on CNN.

    There is something that people need to understand about the Left: when Stephen Colbert screams “fuck you!” to Trump or when Larry Wilmore says “go fuck yourself” to Milo, the Left really does think that that qualifies as “destroying” the target. This is not just spin or putting on a brave face, that is seriously how their minds work.

    This makes debating libshits very frustrating because they simply don’t recognize when they have lost.

    That said, I think that there is a bit of a dichotomy in the Leftist mind. I think that when they lose they are able to convince themselves that they have won but at the same time the also subconsciously are aware that they have been beaten. On ResetEra you can even see it with the amount of hatred that they express for Miller and with several posters saying that they can’t even bring themselves to watch the video because Miller is so triggering for them.

    Take a look at the video for yourself and decide who you think won. I think it was pretty obvious that Miller came out on top although he was by no means perfect.

    Otis the Sweaty

    January 7, 2018 at EST pm

    • Otis, there’s a difference between losing and being wrong. They’re wrong, but they haven’t lost. When you’re the top dog, it doesn’t matter if you’re wrong, because there’s no one to punish you for it. Therefore, you win every time you’re wrong because it demonstrates, once again, that you’re in charge and that your enemies are powerless to correct you.

      Stealth

      January 7, 2018 at EST pm

      • There is no question that Tapper lost the debate to Miller. Yet liberals still think that they won. There is no question that Colbert saying “fuck you” to Trump is not some type of sick burn, but liberals still think it is.

        Otis the Sweaty

        January 7, 2018 at EST pm

    • I like Stephen Miller a lot and I like Trump, but I don’t think that was a good showing by Miller.

      David Pinsen

      January 8, 2018 at EST am

  9. My dad figured that out 40 years ago. It’s a good choice if you have other interests than spending 40 hrs/week at work (assuming one is frugal).

    JW Bell

    January 7, 2018 at EST pm

  10. A quarter of adult men being out of the labor force is an astonishingly high percentage. I wonder what the demographics of this group are and what factors which pushed them out. A cynical reading of this article would be to interpret this as another attack on men: “See guys, it’s okay to have a soft side and be a caregiver!” Even the portraits are somewhat effeminate.

    Ivanthegrozny

    January 7, 2018 at EST pm

  11. The problem is the name. When you look at the actual tasks, it’s a serious, demanding job requiring physical strength, mental stamina, and yada yada. In other words, the kind of salt of the earth job which, in our bullshit society, gets no respect. But when you say, “male nurse,” people laugh. Admit it, it’s funny. It’s almost as funny as “male ballet dancer.”

    So we need a new name. OK Lioners, make up a new name. Something tells me ‘maryk’ can think of a really good one. Physician assistant is taken.

    Hospital associate?

    gothamette

    January 7, 2018 at EST pm

    • Medical infantryman.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      January 7, 2018 at EST pm

      • You’re on to something….medical corpsman. Pronounced the right way, not the Obama way. We wouldn’t want to use the word “corpse” in a medical context.

        gothamette

        January 7, 2018 at EST pm

    • I think the issue is deeper than the name. Most of the traditional male jobs require physical manipulation of the earth to produce value (farmer, mechanic, engineer,etc) or mental manipulation of abstract ideas to convince people of value (lawyer, scientists, accountants, clergy). While a nurse does have traditionally masculine requirements as you point out they lack the overall substance a traditionally male job requires. Nursing is basically compassionate care of vulnerable people.

      Nursing doesn’t attract the most beautiful ladies but of the women that I know that went into the field most were okay looking. Almost all had down to earth personalities which compensated for their modest looks.

      Ivanthegrozny

      January 7, 2018 at EST pm

      • Female doctors also tend to have down-to-earth personalities.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        January 7, 2018 at EST pm

      • Would you say the female doctors on average are physically more attractive, equally attractive or less attractive than their nurse counterparts?

        For men: you can pick two from intelligence, beauty and sanity.

        For women: wealth, civility and intelligence.

        Ivanthegrozny

        January 7, 2018 at EST pm

      • Computer programming/IT doesn’t manipulate anything, and it’s not abstract.

        gothamette

        January 7, 2018 at EST pm

      • “Mental manipulation” seems to be an appropriate metaphorical description, and while “abstract ideas” doesn’t seem to be the right phrase to indicate what’s being manipulated it’s hard to say what is.

        I suspect that the male “manipulate-objects” focus comes from female selection of males who are best at inducing orgasms in them. Men who are interested in figuring out how to make a woman come will also be interested in figuring out how to make a car run.

        Of course, this is all just a matter of emphasis. Women have some interest in machines and men some interest in “compassionate care,” obviously (and the same goes with the different kinds of attention-attraction interests that I summarized in a comment to the post on having Asian girlfriends.)

        And “it’s more complicated than that,” as my father always told me. I believe that men tend to have a stronger sense of enduring commitment to other individual people than women do (thus women initiate most divorces), and it’s hard to sharply distinguish this “moral” sense from compassion.

        Moreover, cursory but repeated observation on the street and in public transportation vehicles leads me to the conclusion than men are more attentive to the needs of small children than women are; women are more inclined to ignore a fussing child.

        Garr

        January 8, 2018 at EST am

      • > Computer programming/IT doesn’t manipulate anything, and it’s not abstract.

        Computer programming covers an incredibly wide range of tasks. At the low-end it’s just importing some javascript libraries, copying code from stack overflow or changing a few values in a couple of places. And in that regard, you’re probably right.

        But at the high-end, it most certainly is incredibly abstract. Just try writing a large-scale application in Haskell. I guarantee you that the programmers who work on Google’s search algorithm, Facebook’s deep-learning image detectors or Goldman’s trading algorithms are among the most abstract-thinking workers outside of academia.

        Doug

        January 8, 2018 at EST am

    • Medic is the traditional military name.

      JW Bell

      January 7, 2018 at EST pm

      • A military medic is analogous to an EMT, not a nurse.

        David Pinsen

        January 8, 2018 at EST am

  12. If you could become a nurse through apprenticeship lots of men with humanities BAs would do it. It’s having to sit in classrooms for 2 years with 40 working-class girls copying down notes presented via slides by fat old income/status-supplementing ignorant women in classrooms for several years that keeps them out. Nursing is something that 18 year old illiterate immigrant-girls go into.

    (Just as voting is something that middle-aged women do. And reading recently-published novels is something that women do. And “martial arts” is something that women do. And liberal-religious-institution-attendance is something that women do. And all non-expert office work and teaching is something that women do.)

    (You know what isn’t something that women do, and therefore might be something that men will be increasingly interested in doing? Taking care of their own children.)

    Garr

    January 7, 2018 at EST pm

  13. My younger brother is a nurse. He has a hobby that does not pay, he wanted a good job security and he didn’t want to get into a rat race career like mine. Here are the things I learned from him:

    1. Job security is fantastic. It might not be your best job or your favorite nursing occupation but he can get a solid middle-class paying job literally anywhere in the country within a week – no problem.
    2. He works (in the hospital) three 12 hours shifts a week, mostly nights. That’s it. Anything above that is overtime pay, which is not frequent.
    3. It’s a very physical job.
    4. Don’t take this career path if you are squeamish (obvious but a mistake surprisingly many make.)
    5. Don’t take this career path if you are not good in dealing with assholes. Abusive patients are almost a norm.
    5. Don’t go the faster LPN route, get a full education to become RN. Due to inflation in education, LPN job prospects are much worse.
    6. If your IQ is high, it still matters. A lot.
    7. If you ever get hospitalized, watch your nurses like a hawk. On aggregate, a dumb/negligent nurse is more dangerous to your health than a dumb doctor.
    8. The pay is not that great but if one is determined, it’s easy to get to $100K in less than a decade (hospital settings; nursing homes pay less and doctors offices pay a lot less.)
    9. There are few physically attractive female nurses.

    mapman

    January 7, 2018 at EST pm

    • “9. There are few physically attractive female nurses.”

      Pretty girls don’t need to go into difficult jobs that require real work.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      January 7, 2018 at EST pm

      • You haven’t step into a hospital of late, and it’s understandable. There are pretty women who are nurses. There are pretty nurses who are in senior levels, with credentials from good nursing schools like NYU and Columbia, although nursing is prole.

        JS

        January 7, 2018 at EST pm

      • My job puts me into contact with NYC nurses regularly and it’s extremely rare to meet an attractive female nurse. Perhaps it’s different in other parts of the United States, but in NYC, the attractive women tend to work in decent-paying mid-level white color jobs. Which makes sense — the guy who runs the place is willing to pay to have pretty girls around; pretty girls would rather avoid jobs which are dirty and disgusting.

        fortaleza84

        January 8, 2018 at EST am

      • Young, NYC nurses are in the range of sluts that bang in the bars and clubs on a Saturday night. That’s pretty enough for most horn dogs.

        JS

        January 8, 2018 at EST am

      • I personally know a few female nurses, but refrain to provide linkedin or other social media profiles on this blog to protect the person from any unwanted advances or harassment.

        NYU Langone center has a lot of decent looking White female employees, relatively comparing to any public hospital in NYC, that has a larger NAM staff.

        This random pic from the NYU’s nursing school is a good representative of what you find on the street level, when it comes to women.

        JS

        January 8, 2018 at EST am

      • The blonde in the second row, far right, is too hot to be washing out bedpans. I hope she’s just using this as a way to meet a rich doctor.

        Richard

        January 8, 2018 at EST pm

      • Richard — all it takes is makeup, jewelry, manicure and cleavage at the workplace, and female nurses are suddenly a distraction for most men.

        JS

        January 8, 2018 at EST pm

      • That pic looks exactly like my grad school environment. I can’t recommend it. I met some gems, truly, but overall its a bust in terms of work environment.

        Almost any white collar job with a male heavy environment will be much better. I even used to daydream about being an MTA cop as I saw them on the way to work each day when I was in NYC. A simple job with a city check and pension; and working with guys. I’m in.

        Dave

        January 12, 2018 at EST am

    • That name, tho. He has to tell people he’s a nurse.

      gothamette

      January 7, 2018 at EST pm

      • There’s a masculine trait called psychological toughness. “Male nurse” not that big of a deal if your alternative is barista or cell phone salesperson. Probably even beats TTT law practice. Three 12-hour shifts a week sounds amazing.

        anon

        January 7, 2018 at EST pm

  14. l had a male midwife once- he was working the triage. It was funny hearing him call himself a midwfe. Very pleasant and competent fellow.

    However another time a male NA tried to treat me and I got an intense creepy feeling from him and refused to let him touch me. The female nurse who replaced him told me not a single woman ever let that NA touch them and she pleaded with me to write a letter to the hospital about it, because the female nurses were constantly having to do his job.

    toomanyspiders

    January 7, 2018 at EST pm

    • I always felt myself a man. A man fights, dominates and may have a far reaching vision. I always fought, dominated and had a far reaching vision, therefore I was always a man. Obviously, I don’t mean since the kindergarten, but since like 11 when I started boxing. Obviously I WASN’T a man, but a PERCEIVED myself as a man. Meaning I’m your equal, whoever the hell you are. Today, I have fine tuned that, but the basic core remained. This is the best way to be, or at least that’s what I think.

      Nursing is a great occupation for the right personality. Obviously an ‘individual contributor’ or a dominant aren’t the right biological material. Lion, you seem to discover things that have been around since forever when NYT writes about it. I think that you are playing and that’s just fine.

      Yakov

      January 7, 2018 at EST pm

      • I’ve been writing about men going into nursing for a very long time.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        January 7, 2018 at EST pm

      • Good. My bad. I take my words back. I’m glad that you are on the ball.

        Yakov.

        January 7, 2018 at EST pm

      • In 2009 I wrote:

        The demand for nurses increases every year, but at the same time there’s declining demand for decent-paying traditionally male blue collar jobs. As a result, you see more men going into nursing today than you did ten or twenty years ago.

        . . .

        Currently, there is still a stigma attached to male nurses, and this scares away most men from nursing. But as the number of male nurses increases, there will eventually be a tipping point at which time the stigma will go away and men will flood into the field. After the tipping point, nursing will rapidly become a predominately male profession.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        January 7, 2018 at EST pm

      • One problem I see is that a nurse can never ever become one of the top guys in the hospital or nursing home. He will always be lower status than the doctors or top administrators. By contrast, a cop has the possibility of becoming a detective, a lieutenant, or even chief of police in his town. I think men see it as a negative if they are permanently locked into a subordinate role.

        Obviously men do take jobs where there is little possibility of advancement, but I think that for the most part men see it as a much bigger negative than do women. Probably that’s why law firm paralegals tend to be female.

        fortaleza84

        January 8, 2018 at EST am

      • Lots of hospital administrators started out as nurses.

        Hermes

        January 8, 2018 at EST am

      • ‘After the tipping point, nursing will rapidly become a predominately male profession.’

        I doubt it. It’s a fine profession but poorly suited for men evolutionary. Maybe humanity will evolve in that direction though. Who knows.

        Yakov

        January 8, 2018 at EST pm

      • “Lots of hospital administrators started out as nurses”

        Exactly. Lots and lots. One caveat: any serious career advancement in nursing requires Masters. Which adds two years. Most such masters can be done online while working, though.

        nickedP

        January 8, 2018 at EST pm

  15. Since “men” is in Lion’s own introductory remarks, this isn’t really entirely off-topic: does it seem to weird to any of you men to think of yourselves as “men” (in contrast with some stage of prematurity, undevelopment, juvenility,not in contrast with “women”)? I’m 51, and when I apply the label “man” to myself I feel as though I’m play-acting. Is this because I have no recognized role within the Scheme of Things? Is this because there is no recognizable Scheme of Things today?

    Garr

    January 7, 2018 at EST pm

    • I don’t feel like a man at all. Chronologically I am but really I’m just a boy.

      Otis the Sweaty

      January 7, 2018 at EST pm

    • My own conception of a man is one who has fathered a child. Despite being in my 30s and physically fit, I consider myself a guy more than a man.

      Johnbeck

      January 7, 2018 at EST pm

      • Johnbeck – did you come up with that conception on your own, or did someone tell you that?

        njguy73

        January 7, 2018 at EST pm

      • Fathering a child would certainly contribute to the feeling of being a man, but you’d also have to be the family-provider too, I think, or at least play some distinct role (even that of child-tender) within a family that can be assumed to endure.

        Garr

        January 8, 2018 at EST am

    • It’s a common human trait to feel sidelined and inadequate. I would harbor a guess many people feel this way (except trump and yakov… lol). On the outside looking in.

      What is the expression? ‘I would never belong to a club that would take me as a member.’

      toomanyspiders

      January 7, 2018 at EST pm

      • Marx said that. Groucho, not Karl.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        January 7, 2018 at EST pm

      • Apples and pineapples! Trump is a superman, but my secret is to operate on my own low level.

        Yakov

        January 7, 2018 at EST pm

    • I feel like a man, but that doesn’t stop me from feeling like a fool as well.

      Lowe

      January 7, 2018 at EST pm

    • I always felt myself a man. A man fights, dominates and may have a far reaching vision. I always fought, dominated and had a far reaching vision, therefore I was always a man. Obviously, I don’t mean since the kindergarten, but since like 11 when I started boxing. Obviously I WASN’T a man, but a PERCEIVED myself as a man. Meaning I’m your equal, whoever the hell you are. Today, I have fine tuned that, but the basic core remained. This is the best way to be, or at least that’s what I think.

      Nursing is a great occupation for the right personality. Obviously an ‘individual contributor’ or a dominant aren’t the right biological material. Lion, you seem to discover things that have been around since forever when NYT writes about it. I think that you are playing and that’s just fine.

      Yakov

      January 7, 2018 at EST pm

  16. Twenty years ago, an old girlfriend had earned her ARNP and held two full-time RN positions – (3) twelve hour days at hospital 1 followed by (3) twelve hour days at hospital 2 – earning $65K at each job. On her off day, as an ARNP, she did hospital rounds for three doctors at $35 per visit.

    Another option is occupational nurse. My employer recently hired a 60 y/o male RN for this at $65K – Mon. to Fri., no night, no weekends, and no patients. He basically coordinates weekly outdoor group activities to get the sedentary, obese workforce moving and, hopefully, in better health with a goal of lowering the employer’s health insurance costs.

    Nursing, just like doctoring, would be a great job, except for the patients!

    This blog has commented that nursing is prole and that nurses often marry firefighters and cops. With more men entering nursing the wages might increase and proleness might decreas; but what kinds of workers do male nurses date & marry?

    E. Rekshun

    January 7, 2018 at EST pm

    • Teachers?

      Sgt. Joe Friday

      January 7, 2018 at EST pm

    • I know of a young fairly attractive lady who went to Yale Nursing School — that’s part of an Ivy League. What’s the likelihood that she’ll end up with a dude with low credentials?

      JS

      January 7, 2018 at EST pm

      • Going to an Ivy for a Nursing degree is like buying gold hammer to do carpentry. Too strained a metaphor?

        The point is that its a professional degree for an exceedingly blue collar job that you basically need a rudimentary degree for, a license, and experience to practice. There is no value to an Ivy league education for any mid-level health job. In fact, being pro science education and being very respectful of Ivy education, I would be suspicious of the judgement of someone who chose an Ivy for a nursing degree. Doctor, Health Administrator, or research scientist? I have nothing but respect for that Ivy path. But not for something as mid-level and health maintenance (as opposed to diagnosis) oriented as nursing. Your education won’t be any better, in a practical sense, than at even a second tier state school. I could excuse any Ivy nursing degree as a type of youthful ambition and exuberance, but at the same time it comes off as naive and, if you are paying for it, financially foolish.

        In fact, I’m a male that is in a mid-level female dominated health profession. More so than nursing. Average pay is on par with nursing, depending on the region.

        Some things to consider:

        To be blunt, female dominated working environments can easily turn hellish and are incredibly land-mine prone. There are a significant amount of females, even surpassing the already lower general level of control, who have serious emotional control issues. Combine that emotional lability with most being insecure, and you being the only guy in many environments, and its a formula to be focused on in negative way that can be bad for your career and sanity. I have plans to change working environments, thank goodness, but I would be a bit put out if that was not an option. Females also have an astounding ability to incorporate the emotions of their “friends” (lunch able gals that they gossip with) that can quickly lead to situations where they now all have an issue with you because Sally did for an imagined reason.

        I actually really like my job as its easy and somewhat rewarding, especially for the pay (there is a lot of school), but it barely makes up for working with all females. It’s like the career gods saw the imbalance and had to add the shit aspect of it that, for some reason, only females gravitate to it. And now its merely good, but barely and often not depending on the daily levels of passive aggressive behavior.

        Dave

        January 12, 2018 at EST am

    • My uncle was a male nurse and he married a social worker.

      Jokah Macpherson

      January 7, 2018 at EST pm

    • If you can take the smells, fluids, and other disgusting parts of of nursing, you’ll be forever kicking yourself for not doing a measly extra four years to become a doctor. Especially as a young man. The time will fly faster than you think, and you’ll avoid he self loathing every day in working around people who did the extra time. If your a male nurse, I’ll even predict that you’ll most likely go back to school to become a nurse practitioner in a vain attempt to make up the status loss, he pay, and the education. It won’t work.

      Dave

      January 12, 2018 at EST am

  17. If you’re a male with low T levels…I mean, ambition, go into government work with a Public Administration Master’s degree. Easy-peasy, and a lot of slacking off.

    GondwanaMan

    January 7, 2018 at EST pm

    • Your brain will deteriorate. Bad advice.

      Yakov

      January 7, 2018 at EST pm

      • It doesn’t matter anyway, because America has seen a spectacular rise of people with cognitive impairments. It ranks 2nd in the industrialized world when it comes to the prevalence of cognitive diseases. 20 years ago, it was ranked 17th place. Most of the other Western Nations have seen a drop of percentages. Poor diet and America’s pathological society are to blame for this magnificent increase.

        JS

        January 7, 2018 at EST pm

  18. But you’ll have to get bossed around by women all day, every day. Not worth it.

    Ronald McDonald

    January 7, 2018 at EST pm

  19. Male nurses are needed more than ever because most patients are obese lazy gluttons. Female nurses get injured constantly when caring for their lazy, gluttonous patients.

    But no way is an overeducated ass-wiper and vomit-mopper equal to an electrician or other skilled trades.

    hard9bf

    January 7, 2018 at EST pm

    • I don’t get it. If you are construction worker you aren’t allowed to lift alone more than a certain weight. We have these limits in our trade also. I don’t know what it is exactly but no way it’s more than a 100lb. Why are nurses lifting these fatsos? This makes no sense. They should be using pullies or robots to do it.

      Yakov

      January 7, 2018 at EST pm

      • “Why are nurses lifting these fatsos? This makes no sense.”

        What’s the evidence that they are? Perhaps some of them are just ginning up workmans’ compensation claims so they can have a few months of paid vacation.

        Despite what people say, nursing seems like a pretty miserable job to me.

        fortaleza84

        January 8, 2018 at EST am

      • “Despite what people say, nursing seems like a pretty miserable job to me”

        Men tend to be less nurturing than women, so it’s against their nature to become a nurse. Perhaps homosexual men are wired differently.

        For women who live in NYC, nursing allows them to accumulate a six figure salary, which also allows them to live in Manhattan close to work.

        How many attractive women in NYC are lucky to enough to earn a six figure salary just by looks alone, in a BS field like advertising, media and communications, where they don’t have to share an apartment with more than one catty neighbor?

        JS

        January 8, 2018 at EST pm

  20. My great grand mother was a nurse but never worked. She just studied that for helping people in the army in Spain. One of her son, my grand-uncle was a doctor but he never worked. He was crazy and staid all day in his room – in my grandfather house, who was an engineer – watching the ceiling. He was scared about germs and asked a house nurse they had to boiled all water used to clean his room every day (or its clothes). He never worked and lived all his life and my grand-father expenses (including games lost he had frequently each time he went in town). He was a specialist in internal medicine in theory. He had a cancer he was successful in treating alone, even if he was falsely predicted to have only 3 months to live.
    He had lived all his life in Sevilla, spain, for 23 more years after the diagnostic. His father, who was a pharmacist converted into an industrial, had died from an heart attack, because he lost his money (fabric and house) in cards. He was from a lesser background. My great grand mother had been informaly banned from family for marrying the pharmacist who was know to be a bad person (womanizer and card player). Because of my grand-father and grand-uncle weirdness, they didn’t fight for their inheritance when their mother died. She had 4 brothers who all had died bachelors after their parents. They owned 3 towns (all buidings except the chruches). I am entertaining myself by investigating the case, and I ‘ve just discovered how the official people falsificated all the documents, so that their wouldn’t be a succession to my grand-father and grand-uncle…But it’s to late to recover anything, because people benefit from usucapion, even after fraud, after peaceful possession during 30 years.

    Bruno

    January 7, 2018 at EST pm

    • This is interesting, but hard to follow without a chart! You could put a parenthetical description under each relationship-title on the chart: for example “Great great grandfather (gambling pharmacist)”

      Garr

      January 8, 2018 at EST am

      • 😉

        Bruno

        January 8, 2018 at EST pm

  21. Funny that this topic would come up now, as literally just last week I started working at a new hospital that is a bit larger than where I formerly was. This means, inter alia, that there is a new complement of nurses to get used to, including several young dude nurses that I met. It definitely seems to be becoming more common!

    Types of murses that I have met include:

    -the gay: even these can vary. Some are quiet, unobtrusive about their lifestyle, and do their jobs. Others are nauseatingly flamboyant and lazy.

    -the hypermasculine straight dude with an attractive wife.

    -the easygoing, jovial endomorph whom everyone likes.

    -the regular dude who couldn’t or didn’t want to become a doctor:

    -by far the worst of all is the gamma male-with-inferiority-complex. I unfortunately ran into this last week, and it can be a chore to have to deal with.

    SJ, Esquire

    January 8, 2018 at EST am

  22. My ex chucked me with a black male nurse

    Gm

    January 8, 2018 at EST pm

  23. I also understand that a profession X where a client can tell you “you’r an X, then clean my ass” meaning litterlly cleaning this person ass is not one I’d like to be into. But at the same time, I wouldn’t like to be a dentist nor practice proctology.

    Bruno

    January 8, 2018 at EST pm

    • I don’t think RNs do the ass-wiping duties. Oh, and and last week my PCP informed me that I passed my prostate exam. Yuk!

      E. Rekshun

      January 8, 2018 at EST pm

  24. My mom, a nurse, said her salary seriously spiked after the hospital hired a lot of men starting in the early 2000s

    Dsgntd_plyr

    January 8, 2018 at EST pm


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