Lion of the Blogosphere

What is Mike Pence up to?

As I’ve pointed out many times, the Vice President doesn’t do anything besides attend funerals and other events that aren’t important enough for the President to attend himself. Mike Pence has taken that role to heart and has stayed out of the spotlight.

A year ago there was the impression that Pence was more important than he really is because of a news story that Pence was pissed that Flynn lied to him, but based on Wolff’s book, that was likely some bullshit that someone who hated Flynn (which was everyone besides Trump) leaked to the media. As Wolff pointed out in the book, Flynn didn’t report to Pence and has no duty to be straight up with him.

Wolff also said that Pence’s own staff is the opposite of the Trump staff. They work well together and never leak anything to the media.

Anyway, this proves that I was 100% right that Pence was a great pick for Vice President (because he looked good in the Vice Presidential debate and now in office he stays out of the way as much as possible). People doubted me. The only downside of Pence is that too many people might prefer him over Trump.

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If only people paid more attention to what I say about Vice Presidential nominees.

Sarah Palin: I said she was horrible, and McCain lost by a huge margin.

Paul Ryan: I said he was a weak pick, better than Palin but still weak, and Romney lost, but by a smaller margin then McCain lost.

Mike Pence: I said he was a great pick, and Trump shocked the world by winning.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

January 12, 2018 at EDT am

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  1. I’m still bothered by the so-called Pence Rule,* according to which he refuses to share a meal with any woman other than his wife and won’t attend events at which alcohol is served unless his wife is by his side. I know the rule ostensibly is meant to avoid any appearances of improper behavior, but it sounds way too much as an admission that he lacks the self-control to avoid any temptation. If Pence had said that he won’t attend any events with alcohol because he doesn’t believe in drinking I would have more respect for him.

    * = more correctly called the Graham rule, as the now 99-year-old Billy Graham developed it decades ago

    Peter

    ironrailsironweights

    January 12, 2018 at EDT am

    • “it sounds way too much as an admission that he lacks the self-control to avoid any temptation”

      90% of men lack the self control, Pence is honest about it.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      January 12, 2018 at EDT am

      • You’re buying into the feminist version of reality.

        Magnavox

        January 12, 2018 at EDT pm

      • I don’t think I have ever been so filled with lust that I couldn’t turn down advances before they grew to be problematic.

        The principle the Pence rule enshrines is not to risk it. Generally a good idea. There’s no need for women at high levels of government anyway.

        Panther of the Blogocube

        January 12, 2018 at EDT pm

      • I think that at least 90% of men would succumb to aggressive advances from an attractive woman if she caught him on the right (or wrong) day.

        The other thing to keep in mind is that if a man has a sexual relationship with a subordinate, even if the relationship was enthusiastically initiated by the subordinate, she can turn around down the road and claim
        sexual harassment (or worse) and it will cause a lot of problems for the man.

        fortaleza84

        January 13, 2018 at EDT am

      • “I think that at least 90% of men would succumb to aggressive advances from an attractive woman if she caught him on the right (or wrong) day.
        The other thing to keep in mind is that if a man has a sexual relationship with a subordinate, even if the relationship was enthusiastically initiated by the subordinate, she can turn around down the road and claim
        sexual harassment (or worse) and it will cause a lot of problems for the man.”

        If something of that sort ever happened with my second job at the Major Home Improvement Retailer it would be the reverse situation. I’m just an ordinary subordinate worker, while the store manager is a very hott 40-something Latin MILF with curves in all the right places.

        Peter

        ironrailsironweights

        January 13, 2018 at EDT am

    • The rule is smart. It’s protection from he said/she said or just simple blackmail. In today’s environment, making someone “feel uncomfortable” can cost you your career.

      Mike Street Station

      January 12, 2018 at EDT am

      • Agreed, and the accusation could come years or even decades after the fact when it’s impossible to gather the evidence necessary to demonstrate that the accusation is false.

        fortaleza84

        January 13, 2018 at EDT am

    • No, it’s an admission that women lack self-control to not lie about a man.

      fakeemail

      January 12, 2018 at EDT am

    • Maybe he can’t bear to be apart from his wife. Like john lennon and yoko ono.

      toomanyspiders

      January 12, 2018 at EDT am

    • It’s a little bit fuddy-duddy, though I don’t see a real problem with it in a public official. Depending on your circumstances, it might hinder your career somewhat by preventing you from going to networking events (and if your woman is anything like mine, she will HATE accompanying you to these events), but his career has turned out alright, so I’m not worried about it.

      A smart, less restrictive rule is to never be alone or semi-alone (e.g., in a booth in a semi-deserted restaurant) with a (non-family) woman that you’re not actively seeking to bang. Some guys, like therapists, can’t abide by this rule as part of their work. And the two therapists whom I’ve known personally have both had their marriages destroyed after enough women threw themselves at them. One also had his career destroyed and had to leave town.

      Wency

      January 12, 2018 at EDT pm

      • There was a somewhat famous legal case in the ’70s in California where the State Board of Psych yanked the license of a therapist for unprofessional conduct for dating a former patient. The Court of Appeal reversed the license revocation because the only specific prohibition was dating current patients. The writer of the opinion was the father of the next Governor of California, Gavin Newsom.

        Explainer 21

        January 12, 2018 at EDT pm

    • Honestly thats Pence’s fucking business and I don’t why people think this is something the public needs to approve of or weigh in on.

      Jimi

      January 12, 2018 at EDT pm

      • I think the problem is that his practice harkens back to an era when women were excluded from the halls of power. And that pisses off feminists. Of course the irony is that these same feminists would automatically believe any woman who claimed that Pence sexually harassed her while they were alone.

        But feminism has always been more about feelings than consistency. Consistency is a tool of the patriarchy.

        By the way, I have started following a Pence-rule lite, which is that I won’t meet alone with a female subordinate. Meeting in a public place like a coffee shop or restaurant is fine.

        fortaleza84

        January 13, 2018 at EDT am

    • Why does it bother you? It seems to be working well for him, and no one can accuse him of anything sordid.

      ScarletNumber

      January 13, 2018 at EDT pm

  2. “The only downside of Pence is that too many people might prefer him over Trump.”

    Thats the upside

    Lion o' the Turambar

    January 12, 2018 at EDT am

    • Romney will never be president and if he had been we’d be part of the EU by now.

      Andrew E.

      January 12, 2018 at EDT am

    • SurveyMonkey. What an appropriate name. Monkeying around with results, perhaps.

      With the BIG wave of corruption that is about to soak each and every Dem (hello IG)
      With the increased paycheck that 90% of working people are about to start getting from next month, EVERY month until and beyond the election
      With the increased pay that the majority of Americans will be receiving in 2018

      Do YOU have confidence in what SurveyMonkey is selling?

      gda

      January 13, 2018 at EDT am

      • Inspector General reminds me of something… wait a minute….
        it’s a play by Gogol. I googled and found Gogol. Google is so great. But Gogol is greater.

        gothamette

        January 13, 2018 at EDT am

      • Confidence? Hard to tell. It’s a finger in the wind. Do you like these results?

        “What’s more, he has established a modest but durable beachhead among African American and Hispanic men, even while confronting overwhelming opposition from women in those demographic groups.”

        “Among Hispanics, men were also much more likely than women to express positive views about Trump. Among Hispanic men older than 50, Trump’s approval— strikingly—exceeded 40 percent. ”

        I think that’s right. The headline was rather hysterical.

        Oy, Survey Monkey’s CEO is named “Mark Blumenthal.” Chum in the water for the alt-right!

        gothamette

        January 13, 2018 at EDT am

      • A survey isn’t a poll. A poll is weighted to be random, and who knows what Survey Monkey’s methodology is? John Tukey, a real scientist who declined to be part of Kinsey’s monkey shines, said that Kinsey’s results would be more reliable if he had interviewed three random people on the street. Look it up, he said that. Instead Kinsey interviewed thousands of people from deviant backgrounds, and thus came up with crazy results, which have been enshrined as Science by the media. It’s one of the most horrible cases of media gaslighting in history. But I digress…

        I still think the results among Hispanics are interesting.

        The article itself is a total piece of propaganda, and underscores that we cannot trust ANYTHING that comes from the scumstream media. They are tools of the Empire, they lie, they are against us, they suck ape-balls.

        Example. WTF is this doing in the middle of the article: “But one GOP pollster, who asked not to be identified while discussing the party’s prospects, was dubious that Republicans could reverse these declines while Trump is still in a position to define them. “It’s not like voters are saying, ‘We are willing to overlook how … out of control he is because the economy is doing well,’” the pollster said.”

        Oh fuck you. If you want me to take you seriously then sign your name to your comments, GOP pollster. Otherwise get lost. But the bigger point is what is that sentence doing in the middle of an article which is ostensibly about the results of a poll? It’s there to twist your mind.

        gothamette

        January 13, 2018 at EDT am

    • Yeah I remember Survey Monkey’s polling during the election. I think it was the most consistently wrong.

      Mike Street Station

      January 13, 2018 at EDT am

      • :pray:

        gothamette

        January 13, 2018 at EDT am

      • (that was supposed to be a praying hands emoji; didn’t work)

        gothamette

        January 13, 2018 at EDT am

  3. I really respect a man who is a good boss. When you are a good boss, you know how to keep your mouth shut and get stuff done. Your staff also knows what the boundaries are.

    Trump’s only been in power a year. Obama did nothing in his first admin. It was his 2nd in which he got to work and set about to destroying the country in earnest.

    gothamette

    January 12, 2018 at EDT am

    • “I really respect a man who is a good boss” — what every man should hear his wife tell him, approvingly, with a satisfied sigh, often. (Oh well.)

      Garr

      January 12, 2018 at EDT am

      • Garr, meet Yakov.

        gothamette

        January 12, 2018 at EDT pm

    • A good boss is very easy to find. Most of my bosses were good. If you do a good job – you gonna have a good boss. It’s a good employee that’s hard to find.

      Yakov

      January 12, 2018 at EDT pm

      • I’m not so sure. Many bosses are monsters. A really evil boss can destroy someone’s career. Having a boss who’s out to get you is like being trapped in a bad marriage. And the worst part is that usually having some kind of job is necessary for survival. At least marriage is optional.

        maryk

        January 12, 2018 at EDT pm

  4. The only downside of Pence is that too many people might prefer him over Trump.

    After 8 years of Trump the country will be ready for the subdued Pence. And Pence will have to run on the same America First agenda.

    Andrew E.

    January 12, 2018 at EDT am

    • I think that might have been the strategy of the mainstream GOP all along. Putting up with Trump as the front man for a while then have Moderate Mike step in afterwards. The problem is that after the brash and bold Don we could never accept a boring Midwesterner as our leader.

      People would only vote for Moderate Mike only because the democratic candidate by that time will be insane, not because he motivated them out to the polls like Trump did.

      Ivanthegrozny

      January 12, 2018 at EDT pm

      • That was the establishment’s strategy in 1980. Bush the Elder was their man. But the people loved Reagan. So they agreed to back Reagan if he’d take Bush as his running mate. That was a deal with the devil that gave us Bush 41 and Bush 43 and they were hoping for Bush 45. Thank god for Trump. Because Jeb would have opened the flood gates.

        destructure

        January 12, 2018 at EDT pm

  5. I just love Mike Pence’s stone-faced grimace. Is it done intentionally so he can look intimidating? He seems to understand that the world sucks, because humans suck.

    JS

    January 12, 2018 at EDT am

    • “He seems to understand that the world sucks, because humans suck.”

      You suck? HA! Just messing with ya. Yeah. People suck. When you understand that on a deep level then the world makes sense.

      destructure

      January 12, 2018 at EDT pm

      • But some people suck more than others. And some countries suck more than others. And some countries are just suck.

        gothamette

        January 12, 2018 at EDT pm

      • There are suckhole countries

        Mike Street Station

        January 13, 2018 at EDT am

  6. If doing nothing is the job description, then he has that down.
    One suspects he is just flying under the radar in hopes of becoming Cuck in Chief one day.
    Another Republican with no fight in him.
    Can’t wait to hear his position on flat tax and school vouchers in a few years.

    KnoMad

    January 12, 2018 at EDT pm

  7. Pence is fine. The only problem with him (besides the fact that he doesn’t deter impeachment) is that he’s part of Trump’s pattern of not surrounding himself with Trumpians, not having any interest in building a Trumpian infrastructure that is larger than Trump himself and maybe his daughter. Pence is now Trump’s natural successor, be that after he keels over from a heart attack any time or if he doesn’t run for reelection in 2020 or not until 2024. Pence will talk a good game on some of Trump’s issues, but will he really have internalised much from his time in the Trump administration?

    If Jeff Sessions or Pat Buchanan were VP, they could spend their time staying out of current White House intrigue (VP Sessions wouldn’t need to recuse himself), but using their vice-presidential staff to build a political organisation for the future. Would Trump/Sessions or Trump/Buchanan have won the election? Quite possibly not. Maybe Pence was the only way. You never know. Of course, neither of those men would be very good successors themselves: Sessions is basically the same age as Trump while Old Pat is older. Sessions is doubtful to still be in presidential shape in 2024 and Buchanan is a definite no (would hit 90 before that term was up). But they would be developing their own farm team, from which the next generation of Trumpian politicians would emerge.

    Greg Pandatshang

    January 12, 2018 at EDT pm

    • Well, there is Stephen Miller, the one-man torch bearer of Trumpianism. I don’t think Miller has enough in-person charisma to ever be a good politician himself but I assume he is looking to the future as well to latch on to any potential successor.

      Jokah Macpherson

      January 12, 2018 at EDT pm

      • I still have yet to hear a thought-out rationalisation from the anti-Semitic alt-right for the existence of Miller. Spencer Quinn’s recent review of Jared Taylor’s new book on Counter-Currents is tangential but interesting in this regard. Quinn critiques Taylor’s refusal to take an anti-Jewish position on the JQ but finds it necessary to treat Taylor respectfully because he’s Jared effin’ Taylor. The result is an unusually moderate and thoughtful consideration of anti-Semitism from an anti-Semite. Reading it, I kept thinking “Well, but what about Stephen Miller”? One could perhaps call this the Stephen Miller Question or SMQ.

        https://www.counter-currents.com/2018/01/if-we-do-nothing-a-review/

        Greg Pandatshang

        January 12, 2018 at EDT pm

      • I still have yet to hear a thought-out rationalisation from the anti-Semitic alt-right for the existence of Miller.

        Maybe you haven’t heard one because their assumptions are wrong:

        http://cis.org/ReligionAndImmigrationPoll

        In contrast to many religious leaders, most members think immigration is too high.

        Jews: 50 percent said it is too high; 5 percent said is too low; 22 percent just right.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        January 12, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Maybe you haven’t heard one because their assumptions are wrong

        Well, of course their assumptions are wrong, but that doesn’t stop them from going on at length about the JQ with whatever rationalisations they can come up with. I’ve yet to hear anyone make an attempt at explaining Miller, though.

        Greg Pandatshang

        January 13, 2018 at EDT am

    • Pat Buchanan should have been president 25 years ago. He was the original avatar of America First. Unfortunately he is much too old now. Sessions would be a complete disappointment. Perdue, Cotton, Blackburn and Kobach are our future.

      B.T.D.T.

      January 12, 2018 at EDT pm

    • He was the original avatar of America First.

      Buchanan was Palestine First, that’s why he was rightly rejected by the American voter.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      January 12, 2018 at EDT pm

  8. My mom voted for Trump because she really liked Mike Pence.

    Jokah Macpherson

    January 12, 2018 at EDT pm

  9. IHTG

    January 12, 2018 at EDT pm

  10. Cactus Jack Garner, FDR’s first VP, said the job wasn’t worth “a cup of warm spit.” He was probably right.

    Black Death

    January 12, 2018 at EDT pm

    • I believe the quote was “bucket of warm piss.” It was cleaned up so as not to offend the sensibilities of the day.

      Sgt. Joe Friday

      January 12, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Back when the press didn’t gasp in agony about a “vulgarity” in private conversation that everyone has said.

        Richard

        January 13, 2018 at EDT am

      • I hadn’t heard that, but it sounds like the kind of thing the plain-spoken Garner would say. In his Garner biography “Cactus Jack” (1978), O. C. Fisher describes it as a “pitcher of warm spit,” but who really knows?

        Garner also said:

        Worst damnfool mistake I ever made was letting myself be elected Vice-President of the United States. Should have stuck?as Speaker of the House? Gave up the second most important job in Government foreight long years as Roosevelt’s spare tire.

        Black Death

        January 13, 2018 at EDT am

  11. Pence was an excellent choice. He is exactly what you want in a vice President. Perfectly happy to stay out of the limelight, out of the shadows even, and serve as a placeholder if some tragedy befalls the President. And he is not sticking his nose into policy making either, like so many recent VPs have done. I envy Pence’s life. He can have a few drinks at home in the evening. Watch TV, read a book. Wake up late. Attend a few ceremonial functions and then do whatever he wants for the rest of the day, all while living in a nice house, with a full staff and a decent salary. Pence is the Platonic ideal of the Vice President. I’m sure that he hopes he can ride this bonanza for another 7 years.

    Daniel

    January 12, 2018 at EDT pm

    • Well, the job does involve a lot of travel. For example, he was in Nevada today. And he has to go to the Middle East next weekend.

      But he gets to fly on Air Force Two. Probably a lot better than flying coach.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      January 12, 2018 at EDT pm

  12. There’ a saying in politics that people don’t vote for VP. They might vote against a ticket if a candidate is particularly noxious. Otherwise, the VP candidate is a pretty much a non-factor. McCain didn’t get clobbered because of Palin. Bush 41 was McCain’s real running mate, After 8 years of Bush’s wars and an economic apocalypse (which actually wasn’t his fault) there was no way he was going to win. Romney did a little better because, by 2012, some of Bush’s stink had worn off. Ryan wasn’t a strong VP but he wasn’t the reason Romney lost. As Limbaugh put it at the time, Romney was running against Santa Claus. He was promising free stuff for all the good little boys and girls. But 8 years is a long time. Especially when it’s 8 years of jobless recovery and wars that never really ended in spite of his promises to do so. Plus, Hillary sucked ass. Whereas Romney was running against Santa Claus Trump was running against the wicked witch. And he was running on a wildly popular message of jobs and immigration enforcement. And, by that time, Bush’s wars had become Obama’s wars. Pence is okay I guess but he had nothing to do with it.

    destructure

    January 12, 2018 at EDT pm

    • “Romney did a little better because, by 2012, some of Bush’s stink had worn off”

      Yes, and because Bad Santa was already using the NSA/FBI?DOJ/SD/IRS et al to spy on his political enemies and wreak general havoc. And had been granted the obsequious assistance of a fawning and compliant media.

      Trump was by no means the first to fall under the gaze of Sauron in this almost unbelievably sordid tale of corruption, of a magnitude such as we have never seen, nor will ever see again, in this fair land.

      Be prepared to be shocked. Devin Nunes was. and he has only seen a glimpse.

      Trust in Trump to simplify it for mass appeal.

      TREASON!

      gda

      January 13, 2018 at EDT am

    • “McCain didn’t get clobbered because of Palin.”

      Yup. In fact, McCain would have gotten clobbered even worse without Palin. Plenty of Republicans wouldn’t have bothered to vote for him. The problem there was definitely the person in the #1 slot, not the #2 slot. McCain didn’t really even want to win. He threw the election to Obama.

      Tarl

      January 13, 2018 at EDT am

      • I looked at the exit polls and my interpretation is that Palin hurt McCain.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        January 13, 2018 at EDT am

      • Nah. Right after the election, the McCain machine kicked into high gear with its bullshit effort to blame the loss on Palin. In fact, in September and October McCain started climbing in the polls – in my view, only because of Palin. But it didn’t matter because McCain’s plan all along was to lose.

        Tarl

        January 13, 2018 at EDT pm

  13. You were wrong about Palin. McCain would have done worse without her on the ticket. That ticket lost because of McCain, not her.

    David Pinsen

    January 12, 2018 at EDT pm

    • And Lion is right that Pence is good at looking vice presidential and keeping out where he’s not wanted, Pence was still an early indication of one of the biggest problems with Trump, which is the takeover by GOPe.

      Magnavox

      January 12, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Equally as important, Pence sounds presidential. He’s a former radio broadcaster.

        David Pinsen

        January 12, 2018 at EDT pm

      • With that white hair Pence looks like the Father of Our Country.

        Mrs Stitch

        January 13, 2018 at EDT pm

    • 2008 was lost because of the economic collapse that year, no Republican was going to win. In retrospect it’s kind of impressive that McCain lost by only 7.

      Richard

      January 13, 2018 at EDT am

  14. Channel 7 News leads with the President’s “growing firestorm” “profane and racially offensive” comments. A reporter asked him, “Are you a racist?” Lindsay Graham stood up to the President.

    He might apologize.

    gothamette

    January 12, 2018 at EDT pm

  15. They are calling it “vulgar slur firestorm.”

    gothamette

    January 12, 2018 at EDT pm

    • Apart from Graham the worst is the Dem Senator from Illinois. Durbin? What a pathetic excuse for a man.

      gothamette

      January 12, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Indeed. They should pit them against each other in a bum fight.

        But all this furor over a shithole is a mere bagatelle. A shitSTORM trumps it any day.

        gda

        January 13, 2018 at EDT am

  16. Pence will be the 2020 Presidential Nominee when Trump declines to run for a second term. The only question now is, “who will be Pence’s running mate?”

    E. Rekshun

    January 12, 2018 at EDT pm


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