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Kelly saved us from last-minute amnesty deal?

NY Times:

As the evening wore on, Mr. Schumer got a call from Mr. Kelly that dashed all hopes for a Trump-Schumer deal before the shutdown deadline of midnight. Mr. Kelly, a hard-liner on immigration, the person familiar with the call said, outlined a long list of White House objections to the deal.

I don’t have faith that Trump can be trusted, but luckily General Kelly is on the side of American citizens.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

January 20, 2018 at EST am

Posted in Immigration, Politics

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  1. What you have is faith in the NY Times. And that is unfortunate.

    Andrew E.

    January 20, 2018 at EST am

    • The NYT article about Trump bouncing from one business venture to another, while failing and not honoring agreements, is a good example of a sociopath.

      JS

      January 20, 2018 at EST pm

      • Trump isn’t a sociopath.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        January 20, 2018 at EST pm

      • He drifts from one goal to another and then cheats his creditors and contractors. If this isn’t sociopathic, you must think this is pro-social behavior.

        JS

        January 21, 2018 at EST am

      • The mere fact that Trump lives in a sanctuary city like NYC, and then runs a campaign against illegal immigrants, duping these dumb proles from real America is sociopathic as you can get.

        No one in NYC gives a f#ck if illegals are working in 7-11s, because they are plenty of better paying jobs for everyone. But in greater America, this is a big big deal to proles, who have less employment options.

        JS

        January 21, 2018 at EST am

  2. So the government’s shut down. I woke up this morning – howzabout alla youse guys?

    How will this affect us, the little people?

    gothamette

    January 20, 2018 at EST am

    • During a gov shutdown, essential services like military, post office and social security keep operating. But non-essential services like passports, gun permits and national parks close their doors and go on vacation. If it went on for several weeks it might become slightly inconvenient for a few people. But a week or two is insignificant. These shutdowns are always a big bluff because the money is there, And they’ll pass a spending bill before it actually inconveniences anyone. I’d only get excited over a shutdown if the money wasn’t there.

      destructure

      January 20, 2018 at EST pm

  3. You need to stop blindly trusting the NY Times. Here are Schumer’s comments directly after the meeting with Trump:

    Does that sound like somebody who just locked up a deal? It is strongly in the interests of the pro-amnesty side to create the illusion that a “deal” that gives them everything they want is just around the corner.

    PerezHBD

    January 20, 2018 at EST am

  4. Trump needs to get the Democrats to crumble on the govt shutdown.

    Then enact Cotton-Perdue with limited ADACA amnesty.

    Jimi

    January 20, 2018 at EST pm

    • Would be masterful if Our God Emperor TRUMP could pull it off.

      Two in the Bush

      January 20, 2018 at EST pm

  5. Pitch-perfect trolling of the Women’s March:

    IHTG

    January 20, 2018 at EST pm

  6. Lion,

    If you don’t want to approve this because it’s off topic OK, but this has a true HBD relevance:

    https://jewishwebsite.com/arts-culture/sundance-film-festival-debuts-dark-tale-of-jewish-triplets-split-at-birth/24056/

    gothamette

    January 20, 2018 at EST pm

    • The less sinister version of this docu is ‘twinsters.’

      Identical twins separated at birth across continents. The american twin is slightly heavier and taller; the french twin is comparatively shy and less confident. Otherwise they are virtually indistinguishable.

      toomanyspiders

      January 20, 2018 at EST pm

      • The article left out the fact that one of the triplets was an accomplice to a murder.

        gothamette

        January 20, 2018 at EST pm

    • Twisted psychologists using humans as guinea pigs for their pseudo-science bullshit. Unbelievable that un-redacted records remain sealed. While I guess it could be worse. Nowadays an evil psychologist would try to turn 1 of them into a tranny to really test his blank-slatism.

      Daniel

      January 21, 2018 at EST am

      • It is sick, I agree. I only discovered that one of the brothers was an accomplice to murder by accident. The accounts of the film leave that out. The ex-con became a lawyer – perhaps he had his record expunged & threatened to sue? Dunno.

        gothamette

        January 21, 2018 at EST am

  7. Our savior Trump has completed the Republican re-alignment on immigration. If McConnell brought the DREAM act up for a vote in the Senate today, I don’t think that they’d get to 60.

    Otis the Sweaty

    January 20, 2018 at EST pm

    • Yeah, but I think it would be impossible to get a comprehensive immigration act thru Congress that 1. outlaws birthright citizenship (very difficult because of the Constitutional Amendment, I forget which) 2. Outlaws chain migration 3. outlaws family reunification, etc.)

      BTW, I know that Lion won’t like me for bringing this up but I will. Israel is being real stupid about the 40K or so African migrants in Israel. That’s not a lot. I don’t know Israeli law on giving ppl permanent residency, but all they’d have to do is pass some laws in the Knesset, which is way easier than passing laws in Congress, outlawing chain migration & family reunification, and the migrants would self-deport w/in a few years.

      gothamette

      January 21, 2018 at EST am

  8. Seriously, dude, when will you stop believing the NYTimes? How many times have they tried to separate Trump from his base? You’re very naive.

    leon

    January 20, 2018 at EST pm

  9. Lion, you seem more and more willing to throw Trump under the bus at the slightest provocation – because of something you hear from the MSM, the Dems or the never-Trumpers.

    Just when exactly did you become infected with the early stages of TDS? I hadn’t noticed it until recently – perhaps I missed it somehow? But I have noticed that your (pardon the expression) “Come to Jesus” moment seemed to happen after you bought the “Fire & Fury” book.

    You don’t have faith that Trump can be trusted? Whaaaat? That is a stunning statement.

    Because what? He’s lied about the Russian conspiracy? He didn’t keep any of his promises? He hasn’t proved (contrary to Mr. Wolff’s BS) that he is a stable (and healthy) genius? He’s intent on giving away the farm on immigration? Well, that ain’t happening.
    https://www.mediacircus.com/2018/01/trump-will-not-sign-any-amnesty-deal-without-approval-of-tom-cotton-and-mark-meadows/

    Inquiring minds want to know WTF is going on. But hey, its your blog so you can just ignore my concerns at your leisure……

    gda

    January 20, 2018 at EST pm

    • I don’t have TDS, I have TRS, Trump Realism Syndrome.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      January 20, 2018 at EST pm

      • And you are a good learner, trying to tag things like Trump or Adams do 😉

        Bruno

        January 21, 2018 at EST am

    • I think Lion defends Trump’s substance. He doesn’t like the style. I’m with him there. Sometimes style gets you where you want to go.

      BTW the Women’s March was a big deal today in NYC. Central Park West was shut down. There were marchers all over the UWS.

      gothamette

      January 20, 2018 at EST pm

      • I realize that here, #shitholegate is yesterdays news, but anyway, “Nigeria is indeed a shithole.”

        gothamette

        January 20, 2018 at EST pm

      • I’ve said it before, but people keep on ignoring the obvious. Again, and again, and again.

        No Trump “style”
        No Trump Presidency

        Sorry if you don’t like the style. But its THE feature, not the glitch, in the way he operates.

        You can’t always get what you want
        But if you try sometime
        You just might find
        You get what you need

        Trump is like the common-sensical parent who’s giving the children what they need. Guess who the spoiled children resisting his discipline are.

        gda

        January 21, 2018 at EST pm

      • Maybe you’re right.

        gothamette

        January 21, 2018 at EST pm

  10. Dkos and social media liberals very worried the shutdown isn’t playing out the way they want. They feel that shutting the government down over illegals can hurt them.

    They aren’t panicking, but there is concern as opposed to the usual triumphalism.

    Otis the Sweaty

    January 20, 2018 at EST pm

    • The Democrat’s position gets worse the longer this plays out. Trump only has to let pin the blame on them for the filibuster and wait for them to crack.

      I’m mildly surprised Schumer didn’t fold at the last second. As midnight Friday got closer he seemed to realize he was locked in a bad strategy and started looking for a face saving deal that would let him walk back from the ledge. But he was already too far out because he didn’t think through ahead of time where the activist base was leading him.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      January 20, 2018 at EST pm

  11. ResetEra is really worried guys. It is actually making me less confident.

    Also see the frustration of the Left here: https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/1/19/1734109/-Republicans-with-the-help-of-complicit-media-intent-on-blaming-Democrats-for-GOP-government-shutdown

    Even my libtard, Dream act supporting mom I can tell is somewhat blaming the D’s for this.

    Otis the Sweaty

    January 20, 2018 at EST pm

    • They’re starting to realize the CR was the wrong legislative vehicle.

      And if they lose, Trump will learn that he can (and will) play brinkmanship with the Democrats in the future.

      It’s already playing out as the strategic mistake I predicted it would:

      https://pragmaticallydistributed.wordpress.com/2018/01/18/shutdown-politics/

      Ordinarily, I would believe Democrats wouldn’t be stupid enough to shutdown the government over DACA.

      But the Democrats are in a position where no one on their side will warn the party when it is wrong like the party is wrong now to use a funding resolution as the vehicle to get a DACA bill passed.

      Yet, I would still be somewhat surprised if they opt for a government shutdown because of the many strategic disadvantages facing them in such a fight.

      Just the threat of a shutdown puts Democrats at a loss even if they back down and vote for the resolution; if they prove they were bluffing the whole time they make Trump look great for calling their bluff. And Trump, the great systems learner, will immediately learn their bluff can be called in future standoffs.

      …….

      And no amount of excuse making will let them persuasively shift the blame to the GOP. If they try, all Trump and the Republican Leadership need to point out is that somewhere between 90% and 100% of all Republican Senators voted to keep the government open but were blocked by the majority of Democrats who voted to filibuster. For Trump those types of percentages make for an easy sale.

      …….

      While waiting for the Democrats to blink McConnell can make life even harder for the Democrats by holding a separate vote on DACA legislation that is tied to the RAISE Act as well as an end to the diversity lottery while the government is shutdown.

      If the Democrats filibuster this legislation, the Democrats will be guilty in the public’s mind of both shutting down the government to protect illegal aliens and then blocking the bill they demanded to legalize them.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      January 20, 2018 at EST pm

      • The public mostly isn’t blaming Dems from the shutdown, but the public also though that Hillary won the 2nd debate. Who cares what the public thinks?

        We got the Dems in a bad place. We just need to stand tall.

        Otis the Sweaty

        January 20, 2018 at EST pm

      • Undiscovered Jew: Excellent point. The House DACA bill by Goodlatte and three other congressmen incorporates a big wishlist of immigration reforms (wall authorization, e-Verify, more immigration judges, end chain migration, etc) and allows the 700k CURRENT DACA illegals to stay, limited amnesty.

        The problem for the Dems is that a large percentage of Dem and independent voters also support the common sense immigration reform side the compromise. A constant stream of illegals and massive chain migration might be a good electoral strategy, but it’s not that popular among their voters. So why not bloody them up by forcing them to vote against allowing DACA people to stay AND the Numbers USA wishlist, thereby pissing off TWO big segments of their voters?

        Mr. Mercy Vetsel

        January 21, 2018 at EST am

      • “And if they lose, Trump will learn that he can (and will) play brinkmanship with the Democrats in the future.”

        Brinkmanship is one thing I do not doubt Trump loves. I think he loves it more than….well, you know. It’s an intoxicant to him.

        gothamette

        January 21, 2018 at EST am

    • Why is it making you less confident?

      Two in the Bush

      January 20, 2018 at EST pm

      • because they are a great contrary indicator. They always think that Trump is going down any second now.

        Otis the Sweaty

        January 20, 2018 at EST pm

  12. IHTG

    January 20, 2018 at EST pm

  13. Lion,

    https://www.city-journal.org/html/crudeness-and-truth-15668.html

    “Enter President Donald Trump. He is a rude and crude person. He speaks like a Queens real estate guy on a construction site.”

    Didn’t you write this? Why aren’t you writing for CITY JOURNAL? Is CITY JOURNAL reading you?

    gothamette

    January 20, 2018 at EST pm

    • From Anne Toulouse’s Dans la Tête de Donald Trump:

      “Now comes The Donald as a buffalo on the prarie, like a bull in the rodeo, like the sheriff in a western .”

      ice hole

      January 21, 2018 at EST am

  14. There should never be an amnesty for DACA. These people are all democratic voters, the republican party is stupid enough to do it, but Trump never should. They should be deported.

    Incidentally, I sympathize with DACA and feel the tragedy of their situation, but the fate of the country is at stake and they gotta go. All should be deported.

    Yakov

    January 20, 2018 at EST pm

    • If you feel bad for them just give them money. Just take all the money you would spend on them here and give it to them in their home country.

      Magnavox

      January 21, 2018 at EST am

      • Magna, to give them a fortune is absurd, but a deportation package makes sense. Israel gives Africans some money when they are sent back to Africa. This makes sense. No need to be overly generous though. My feeling bad doesn’t create a financial obligation on the rest of the country, you know. A resettlement or return package makes the country look good. But that’s only for DACA, I don’t think the other tens of millions should get anything. Yep, that’s what Trump should offer the Democrat – a resettlement package for DACA or resettlement without a package, if the Dems bulk.

        Yakov

        January 21, 2018 at EST am

      • Pay people to leave… not a bad idea and worth every penny.

        Mike Street Station

        January 23, 2018 at EST am

  15. Regardless of how this shutdown ends, or how the DACA issue is handled, Trump’s waffling on immigration has torpedoed any further progress on his legislative agenda until at least the midterms.

    Most of the Democrats will now feel unable to make any deals with him. Many felt this way already, but now even the moderate Dems will be thInking “why bother trying to make a deal? Trump won’t hold up his end of the bargain.”

    This is just an extension of his history of not paying contractors the agreed-upon price. The problem is, if you do that often enough your reputation suffers and people won’t work with you. Even worse, Trump is trying to stiff the other guy before the job is finished – which seems pointless to me.

    Deadlocked

    January 20, 2018 at EST pm

    • What on earth makes you imagine that the Democrats want to make “deals” on immigration?

      They want to dictate the terms – they CANNOT do otherwise. Moderate Dems? Those are worth a lot of money – rare as hen’s teeth.

      AFAIK, only one (1!) Dem has had the balls to go read the frickin MEMO. Moderate? Really?

      “Trump’s waffling on immigration”; “This is just an extension of his history of not paying contractors the agreed-upon price”

      Yawn. Do find a new narrative, will you.

      Chuck, is that you?

      gda

      January 21, 2018 at EST pm

      • Democrats want a deal where amnesty is given to “Dreamers” and they have to give very little for it.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        January 21, 2018 at EST pm

      • No, I am not Chuck.

        I’m not talking about torpedoing an immigration deal. I’m talking about hurting his chances of making deals on anything at all – even positive and party-neutral things like infrastructure.

        And why does everyone respond to criticism about Trump by talking about “the Narrative”? There are facts, period. Some people ignore facts that support Trump. Some people ignore facts that hurt him. Smart people should ignore neither set.

        Deadlocked

        January 22, 2018 at EST am

  16. This site ranks senator and congressmen on how much they want to reduce immigration.

    In senate, there is no a+ person. Tim Cotton is an A and was an A-. Sessions was the only A+ on senate history. In Congress, there are many A+. But globally, very few people are above B (less than 10%). Trump was considered an A based on campaign promises.

    https://www.numbersusa.com/content/my/tools/grades/list/0/CONGRESS/US/A/Name/Active#tabset-1

    Bruno

    January 21, 2018 at EST pm

    • In senate there is one A (Cotton, former A-) and 3 B (Cruz, Kennedy, Perdue) . All the rest is mostly pro-immigration or neutral . What can Trump do with that 4% ?
      In Congress, there is 35 A+ or 8% ? And 25% are moderately in favor of reducing immigration ? Only’a Billionaire giving plenty of money to those 35 congressmen could get something done . But not much. The people who voted for Trump with a anti-immigration mind count for almost 0 in the legislative branch . Sessions was the only of his kind in 30 years of senate. Cotton trying to pick his role but without the true conviction ….

      Bruno

      January 21, 2018 at EST pm


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