Lion of the Blogosphere

Steve Wynn

The mainstream media is trying to spin this as anti-Trump, but I think it’s a big nothingburger (except for another rich and powerful guy who thinks he’s entitled to have sex with any woman he wants).

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

January 27, 2018 at EDT pm

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  1. pretty much nothing ever hurts Trump. The whole #meToo campaign was supposed to hurt Trump but hasn’t damaged him at all. It was a huge mistake by the Left the same way that BLM was.

    Trump is at 38.8, the same place he has been for over 8 months now: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/

    Generic ballot on the other hand isn’t looking great: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-generic-ballot-polls/

    Down by 7.6, although Richard Baris of People’s Pundit Daily predicts that the Republicans will end up losing by 5, which would not be enough for the Dems to take the House back.

    We are going to have a much more Trumpist caucus in 2019. McCain, Flake and Corker will all have been replaced with Trumpists and we are expecting a few new Trumpist Senators to knock off some red state Dems. I feel like we are in good shape as long as nothing happens visa vi amnesty, which judging by the Left’s unhinged reaction to Trump’s sellout offer isn’t something we need to worry about.

    The House is probably even more interesting. Lots of moderate GOPers retiring. Some will be replaced by Dems but some will be replaced with Trumpists. Other moderates will likely also lose their seats. Probably Paul Ryan resigns his position and a more Trump friendly guy takes over the House GOP, although Ryan has done a great job.

    I’m sure Trump will give a great speech on Tuesday and I hope he really hammers the Dems on immigration. But whatever happens the speech will be forgotten in 2 days and probably replaced with another Trump scandal/outrage, manufactured or not. We’ve seen this movie too many times now.

    I really have nothing to offer on the whole #ReleaseTheMemo thing. I don’t know how big a deal this whole thing is substantively, but even if it is the real deal it won’t matter. People on the right already know that the FBI and Deep State are corrupt and trying to sabotage Trump, people the left will either deny it or think that it’s a good thing and people in the middle won’t know what to think and won’t care.

    However, if it gives us an excuse to create a special prosecutor to investigate Mueller, that undermines Mueller’s entire witch hunt and gets a big monkey off our back. Just don’t expect us to improve our numbers at all, because it won’t.

    It has to be Kamala for the D’s in 2020. I propose that anybody who suggests Booker or Biden be exterminated.

    I myself thought that it would be Booker, and I still think that is who the Dems should go with, but they are just too stupid to nominate him. Biden is finished after #MeToo. Forget it.

    So who else is there? Bernie? Get real. The Dems have Super Delegates and don’t have winner take all primaries, which means that the most Bernie could ever possibly get is like 35% of the pledged delegates in a crowded field, and it will likely be much less than that.

    Kennedy is too green. Gillibrand is too stupid.

    Kamala, however, is in the fight. She’s black. She’s a woman. She’s from CA. She has TDS like the rest of the Dem base. She has the support of a large number of the Clinton donors. Once the party rallies around her, she’ll be set.

    I suspect Bernie will be strong in IA and NH. He will probably win NH and might even win IA. But then Kamala will win SC after which all the other establishment candidates will drop out and kiss Special K’s ring. Then it will be a one on one battle between Bernie and Special K and Bernie will be crushed. He will enthusiastically endorse Kamala who will pick some boring white guy like the governor of Montana to be her running mate.

    2020 is going to be an even more divisive election then 2016 was. 2016 would have been tied if not for #NeverTrump, so now that #NeverTrump has been exterminated we would expect the race to be tied. But the Dems gain 1 point every cycle from demographic changes so change that to Harris by 1. But Trump’s incumbency in a booming economy flips 2 points worth of Harris voters over to him, which translates in Trump winning by 3.

    So I’m calling it now: Trump by 3. He holds on to all of his 2016 states and adds CO, NV, NH and MN.

    Otis the Sweaty

    January 27, 2018 at EDT pm

    • I’m scared of Kampala. She pushes all the right buttons. People will slavishly follow her as Hillary’s redemption. It is a great rallying call, and it will be an orgy on the left. We’ll be lucky to get out of this without jacobins cutting heads off.

      Joe

      January 28, 2018 at EDT am

      • Kampala, ha!

        driveallnight

        January 28, 2018 at EDT pm

    • Otis. Hope you are right. If nutball Sanders wins the nomination I am finally voting Republican for first time. I will take Trump over that loony Sanders any day of the week.

      mpt

      January 28, 2018 at EDT am

    • 1. Trump’s will win a much larger share of the Black/Hispanic vote in 2020
      2. Independents will never vote Dem again after The Big Ugly
      3. After Obama’s leading role in The Big Ugly is revealed I think we are done with black POTUS’s for a long, long, time

      Trump in a landslide.

      gda

      January 28, 2018 at EDT am

    • I also think the smart money is on Harris. Democrats don’t want to simply defeat Trump; they want to see him humiliated — utterly repudiated — and from that perspective Kamala Harris checks more boxes than any other name in view.

      Richard

      January 28, 2018 at EDT am

      • Let’s see how formidable Harris really is before we hit the panic button. She has not participated in a single debate yet, and if her tweets are any indication, she’s like Hillary: she hasn’t got an original thought in her head, and she simply recites words that have been written for her by other people.

        And I’m not so sure she hasn’t got a bunch of skeletons in her closet. Remember, California is a one-party state, and the media here will simply not report on anything that is unflattering to a Democrat. Oh sure, a couple of low level members of the assembly have been forced out over sexual misconduct allegations, but those stories were hardly even a blip on the radar. Harris was a protege of former assembly speaker Willie Brown, as well as his mistress. Brown was considered to be highly effective as speaker, but also corrupt, especially as mayor of San Francisco.

        Anyway, there are others who have ambitions, including L.A.mayor Eric Garcetti, and he’s not going to simply stand aside and let Harris have the nomination for the asking. Garcetti’s problem is going to his old man; I can very easily picture Trump bringing up how Gil Garcetti’s office botched the O.J. Simpson case and suggesting that his son would bring the same level of competence to the presidency.

        And assuming either Harris or Garcetti is the nominee, what Trump is going to run on is “do you want him/her to do the rest of the country what his/her party has done to California?” IOW, a sanctuary state overrun by illegals, homeless encampments, sky-high taxes and cost of housing, the worst highways in the nation, a bullet train that has cost billions and goes absolutely nowhere, an infrastructure meant for 20 million people in a state with 40 million people, not to mention California being the source of every stupid idea that seems to have taken root in our country.

        People here in California don’t get it that the rest of the country hates us. Friends and relatives of mine in places like WA, OR, UT, ID, MT etc. etc. say (half-jokingly?) “don’t move here! We don’t want any more of you people f**king our state up!”

        Sgt. Joe Friday

        January 28, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Harris was California AG from 2011 to 2017.

        I was told by a relative from California that while Harris was AG there was a big scandal with Janet Napolitano. Supposedly, when Napolitano left the Obama administration she became Chancellor of the University of California system. During her tenure as Chancellor she was accused of financial fraud when about $200 million worth of the UC’s budget went missing.

        Did Harris know about these misssing funds? If not, what action did she take against Napolitano.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        January 28, 2018 at EDT pm

    • I also think the smart money is on Harris.

      Harris is stupid and she doesn’t stay on script.

      Obama was also dumb as a rock but he was trained to hide it by always speaking in brief talking points.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      January 28, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Dumb as a rock? Didn’t he graduate from Harvard Law School? Why isn’t Lion piping in about how you have to be above average in IQ if you went Ivy League? And what about Obamas SATs? Lion always insists that SAT scores are a good substitute for an IQ test.

        maryk

        January 28, 2018 at EDT pm

      • “Obama was also dumb as a rock but he was trained to hide it by always speaking in brief talking points.”

        So blinded by partisanship bias.

        We all heard Obama speak off the cuff and he was manifestly not dumb. Might have Trump by full a standard deviation in book smarts and verbal sophistication. Trump doesn’t do any serious reading.

        anon

        January 28, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Obama was a college professor, and much younger than Trump, an intellectually lazy super-rich person.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        January 28, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Didn’t he graduate from Harvard Law School? Why isn’t Lion piping in about how you have to be above average in IQ if you went Ivy League?

        Affirmative Action isn’t just for dagos anymore, don’t ya know.

        We all heard Obama speak off the cuff and he was manifestly not dumb.

        Cite three intelligent things he’s ever said on the fly.

        There is a reason he hugged so close to his script: he can’t improvise without punctuating his speech with “uhhhhs” every 4 words or so.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        January 29, 2018 at EDT pm

      • I know what smart people sound like, Obama sounds smart. I don’t see why this triggers conservatives so much. Do they honestly think that every liberal has low IQ? If all liberals are so stupid, how come they are winning?

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        January 29, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Obama sounds smart.

        Give three examples of anything intelligent he’s said that wasn’t written for him.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        January 29, 2018 at EDT pm

      • He always sounds smart. Occam’s Razor says that he’s smart. Liberals are dangerous not because they are stupid, but because they are smart.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        January 29, 2018 at EDT pm

    • Their field is weak enough that I expect Hillary to try again. Because the Democrats are such a machine based party there’s a risk (for them) she wins the nomination again on the strength of her influence over the party apparatus.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      January 28, 2018 at EDT pm

      • John Kerry is also thinking about running, that should tell you how weak the field is.

        Sid

        January 29, 2018 at EDT am

      • It’s so weak that Kerry might be able to win if things break his way. Sort of like how McCain won the nomination in 2008 because other candidates melted down at the right moment.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        January 29, 2018 at EDT pm

    • Hillary will probably run again if her health permits it.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      January 28, 2018 at EDT pm

    • Harris is half Tamil Indian.

      Will blacks consider her black?

      Also, she was apparently too dumb to get into an Ivy League school even with Affirmative Action.

      Her undergrad is from Howard University and her J.D. is from UC Hastings College of the Law. Is this Law School even in the top 100 or is it a true toilet law school? It’s certainly not T-14.

      At least Obama was able to mooch admission into Harvard Law based on his skin color.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      January 28, 2018 at EDT pm

    • Two great things will come of that: Firstly, Kampala Harris slept her way to the top of Cali politics and there will be lots of juicy oppo research. Second, her candidacy will bring the remaining Bernie bros over to our side. All Bernie bros will be right wing populists within five years.

      B.T.D.T.

      January 28, 2018 at EDT pm

    • “I feel like we are in good shape as long as nothing happens visa vi amnesty, which judging by the Left’s unhinged reaction to Trump’s sellout offer isn’t something we need to worry about.”

      From the point of view of Democrats Trump has taken the DACA recipients hostages and is demanding changes to the immigration system or he will start deporting DACA recipients. Now I doubt Trump would really start deporting DACA recipients. I expect he would grant an extension and try to drag out the hostage crisis.

      If Trumps proposal was actually brought up in Congress, I expect Democrats would react very negatively, but after a while enough Democrats would vote for it to pass in the Senate. Why? They could frame their vote as paying ransom to Trump to save the DACA recipients and promise voters to undo the other parts of bill if they elect Democrats in 2018 and 2020.

      Now I’m not sure Trumps proposal will ever be brought up in Congress. The Senate is apparently working on a bi-partisan proposal that might pass the Senate but would probably be dead in the House. The House may be working on a bill that has no amnesty and eliminates family immigration visas more quickly. This might not even pass the House, but if it did it would be dead in the Senate.

      MikeCA

      January 28, 2018 at EDT pm

    • What about Elizabeth Warren, though? I could picture it coming down to a 3-way struggle between Harris, Warren, and Sanders. I guess Harris is still favored because she locks up the black folks. However, how good at prime time is Harris, really? If she gaffs it up too badly, the race could stay interesting for a while.

      If Oprah decides to run, then Harris might as well sit this one out, since she loses her lockdown on the black vote.

      Greg Pandatshang

      January 28, 2018 at EDT pm

      • 1. Oprah has already indicated she is out.

        2. I’m not saying that Harris is a good candidate, in fact I think she is a bad candidate, weaker even than Hillary was. I’m saying that the Dems will nominate her for the same reason the Republicans nominated Romney in 2012: no alternative.

        Harris has the donors, she will have the support of the Congressional Black Caucus and most D congress members who bother to endorse someone. She is an angry, white hating shrew and really embodies what the D base is currently looking for right now.

        3. Elizabeth Warren isn’t even gonna run. She has no constituency : she is hated by both the Bernie Bros and the Wall Street wing. She is supremely unlikable.

        4. If it wasn’t for #MeToo the nomination would be Biden’s to lose, but forget about it now.

        5. Some other serious contenders are Jerry Brown, Duckworth and Gillibrand. Brown is an old white guy so I don’t see it and Gillibrand is basically Hillary without the good points. Duckworth might have an outside shot, however. The real problem for anybody is going to be dealing with the firewall of black votes that Kamala will have. On the other hand, Kamala’s blackness will hurt her big time with Muslim, Latino and Asian voters, who are becoming increasingly important in the Dem primaries.

        Otis the Sweaty

        January 28, 2018 at EDT pm

    • I really have nothing to offer on the whole #ReleaseTheMemo thing. I don’t know how big a deal this whole thing is substantively, but even if it is the real deal it won’t matter.

      It will matter when Clinton, and Obama it now seems, are put before military tribunals for their crimes. No Americans will be able to evade the question and everyone will have to decide which side they come down on (like the OJ trial). At least 2 to 1 Americans will see Clinton and Obama for the liars and traitors they are when all is said and done. And that will be sufficient to lock in the Trump Republican governing majority for the forseeable future. Plus, MikeCA’s head will explode so that will be nice.

      Andrew E.

      January 28, 2018 at EDT pm

      • While I absolutely support prosecuting Obama and Hillary, it seems very unlikely. That’s despite them effectively saddling Trump with years of illegal obstruction into his own presidency.

        Panther of the Blogocube

        January 29, 2018 at EDT am

  2. If Bill and Hillary were caught in bed with underaged twins the press would try and spin it against Trump. The press in the US are systemic liars.

    Curle

    January 28, 2018 at EDT am

  3. I’d never heard of him and confused him with the rich Vegas guy that impregnated Elizabeth Hurley.

    JW

    January 28, 2018 at EDT am

  4. Wasn’t he in a Bond movie?

    Robert

    January 28, 2018 at EDT am

    • I’m pretty sure Diamonds are Forever featured a casino tycoon named “Winn” or “Wynn.”

      fortaleza84

      January 28, 2018 at EDT am

      • No, Jimmy Dean played casino tycoon Willard Whyte, a takeoff on Howard Hughes, or maybe a Hughes/Kirk Kerkorian amalgam.

        vipltd

        January 28, 2018 at EDT pm

  5. Wynn has been a massively successful fundraiser for Trump’s GOP.

    This was an orchestrated take-down of DJT’s money man.

    JA

    January 28, 2018 at EDT am

    • It’s preparation of the battlefield. The Dems are being smart for a change.

      Mike Street Station

      January 28, 2018 at EDT am

  6. The first question that springs to mind is why he wouldn’t just hire prostitutes to give him his massages? Surely there must be plenty of attractive young women in Vegas willing to give a man a massage with a happy ending for $1000.

    The next thought is that in most cases, he probably did exactly that and now these working girls are pretending to be delicate little flowers so as to jump on the metoo witch hunt bandwagon.

    Which is kind of depressing. I would have hoped that in Vegas the whores were honorable.

    fortaleza84

    January 28, 2018 at EDT am

    • If you can’t trust a hooker, who can you trust?

      JimBonobo

      January 28, 2018 at EDT am

    • You don’t understand much, do you? I doubt very many people here have actually seen powerful men up close and how they operate.

      He did it because that casino was his fiefdom and he wanted everyone to jump when he so much as looked at them.

      And they weren’t whores. They were all the people who worked in his hotel, cashiers, maids, front desk, etc.

      You are surpassingly nasty and disgusting.

      gothamette

      January 28, 2018 at EDT am

      • Lol, nice ad homenim there.

        I’ve seen plenty of powerful men, as well as plenty of conniving women who are all to eager to use sex appeal and sex to extract money and resources from the gender that directly creates wealth.

        fortaleza84

        January 28, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Not meant as an ad hominem at all, just an observation.

        gothamette

        January 28, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Female hyper-gamy is the most severe in Anglo, Asiatic and dirt poor Eastern Euro sh!tholes.

        JS

        January 28, 2018 at EDT pm

      • The first question that springs to mind is why he wouldn’t just hire prostitutes to give him his massages?

        Because prostitutes are more likely to have STDs?

        The Undiscovered Jew

        January 28, 2018 at EDT pm

      • I worked for him when he was young and was running his first casino in LV. Very friendly, family man. Age and power and Viagra do strange things to a guy I guess.

        Mrs Stitch

        January 28, 2018 at EDT pm

      • You are correct, but I don’t see why you have to be so condescending to Mr. 84 – you seem like someone who resents she never rose quite as far as she thought she should have and js now compensating with needless aggression. I used to work with a lawyer who represented a casino owner in Reno, a Greek guy. He would tell me stories how every time a woman applied for a cashier position, she had to perform certain favors. After awhile the legend was so widespread that a woman should up and said, prophylactically, “I’d liketo get this job Mr. C____, but I’m sorry I just can’t suck your cock.”

        Marty

        January 28, 2018 at EDT pm

      • gothamette — I’ve already been through this with those clowns. They’re a disgrace.

        destructure

        January 28, 2018 at EDT pm

      • OK, now I think I know what you’re talking about. They *are* a disgrace. Standing up for a goddamned coat check girl makes me a leftist? Hoo boy.

        I have worked in all sorts of jobs, low and high, and seen a lot. I write nothing that isn’t backed up from solid experience. Women who enter show biz sometimes know what they are getting into, sometimes they are pimped by exploitative parents, and sometimes they are total innocents, but after a few years, they know the score.

        But a freakin’ customer service rep at a casino? A coat check girl? A service desk rep? A maid? No, she’s just someone with limited life prospects who needs to make a buck.

        I just learned about a great book. It’s called “The Subtle Art of Not Giving A Fuck.” Basically it says, love what you love and don’t give a fuck about anything else. So I don’t give a fuck what these guys say about me. They are diseased. They are the reason why the alt-right will go nowhere. Normal human beings look at them, listen to them, and recoil in horror.

        gothamette

        January 29, 2018 at EDT am

      • “Not meant as an ad hominem at all, just an observation”

        Lol, nice passive-aggression. By the way, “destructure” is a low-down White Knight liar. If anyone is curious, I can link and quote his simpy dishonesty.

        fortaleza84

        January 29, 2018 at EDT am

    • He’s 76 years old. He’s probably screwed thousands of prostitutes. Hiring prostitutes is probably boring to him and mundane. Probably more thrilling to him to try to seduce ordinary nice girls from real life.

      Tom

      January 28, 2018 at EDT pm

    • @Marty,

      Were you addressing me?

      @destructure,

      Not sure what you mean.

      gothamette

      January 28, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Gothamette and cuck face white knight destructer are right. We should criminalize male sexuality. Then we can all go back to living in mud huts as men watch their incentives to create anything drop like a stone and women being the stupid helpless glutinous cretins that they are destroy what’s left of civilization like locusts.

        Paul Ryan's Sickly Old Lap Dog

        January 29, 2018 at EDT am

      • Lion, your alt-right friends show their idiocy even here. Didn’t you say you were disappointed in them, when you wrote about Serena Williams?

        gothamette

        January 29, 2018 at EDT am

      • Lion, don’t you think you should ban comments that contain direct name-calling, such as “cuck-face”? It’s one thing for us to razz politicians with words like that, but approving comments in which people fling these epithets is sad.

        What next, “poopy-face”? Shall we make up emojis that indicate throwing our pails and “shubbles” onto the floor and stomping off?

        gothamette

        January 29, 2018 at EDT am

      • I delete a lot of comments like that, but with so many commenters being nasty and anti-Semitic, unfortunately some get through.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        January 29, 2018 at EDT am

      • OK. I’ve been offender as well. I called someone an idiot. I should have said that their comment was idiotic.

        BTW, I’m interested in the anti-Semitic comments. Maybe you could do a post on that once.

        gothamette

        January 29, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Sorry, but there’s enough man shaming in the left side of the Internet and we don’t need it on the right as well. That has been the problem keeping the right wing from success. If you want to be part of the problem so be it, but you can’t cry poor mouth and complain about societies ills without addressing the root cause. You guys are still working under the old framework that women are these innocent little angels who can do no wrong.

        I like gothametes comments for the most part but as a woman who I presume is over 50 she cannot fathom what it takes on the man’s end to survive in the current dating landscape and just because Wynn is over 70 doesn’t mean I won’t defend his right to have companionship and sex with women he finds attractive.

        This is just more sour grapes from beta males and over the wall women who hate seeing people who can get laid/get what they want.

        TLDR: you don’t argue in good faith

        For what it’s worth if you guys were posting on heartiste (roissy in DC) the asshole you would have been torn would have been much wider.

        Paul Ryan's Sickly Old Lap Dog

        January 29, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Oh my feelings are so so hurt.

        Not really.

        But this creep with a stupid made up name has convinced me that I’m wasting my time here.

        I have a new job, and a personal project to finish, and I’m modeling myself after my new personal hero, Woody Allen. He has never been on the Internet. Never sent or received an email. I’ll never get that good, but trading barbs with guys who would make a Neanderthal look enlightened is a no win situation.

        gothamette

        January 29, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Woody Allen is too busy having sex with women young enough to be his granddaughter and spending his millions of dollars to have time to waste on the internet.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        January 29, 2018 at EDT pm

      • “For what it’s worth if you guys were posting on heartiste (roissy in DC) the asshole you would have been torn would have been much wider.”

        Why should I care if a bunch of wannabe pick-up artists throw a tantrum? I haven’t spent that much time on either site. But I’ve spent enough to know they have some insights into how some women think but are desperately lacking in wisdom and character. It says a lot that anyone would rely on their readers to justify themselves. Don’t get me wrong. I sympathize with decent men who want companionship and sex. Particularly if they’re looking for relationship and commitment. But I have no sympathy whatsoever for guys advocating sexual harassment/assault and promiscuity as merely defending “male heterosexuality”. I would hope that “male heterosexuality” meant a little more than a dog’s. Misogyny and sexism are greatly overused terms among feminists. Only a small number of men really behave that way. But the ones who do annoy so many women that it gives the impression of being more common than it is. If you want to know what’s making men look bad then it’s the men who act like that. You want to defend it with terms like “cuck” and “white knight”. And those can be legitimate criticisms. But not the way you’re using them.

        destructure

        January 30, 2018 at EDT am

      • Lion, It doesn’t speak well of the posters on this site who invoke the ethics of the schoolyard bully. Moreover, as if the commenters on “heartiste” are any kind of model to follow…hoo boy. I read a few of them. They are bathing in pathological anti-Semitism, as is heartiste himself.

        I’ve come to the conclusion that a part of the blogosphere that once had something to offer (not the alt-right, never, but the HBD bloggers) is irrelevant and worthless. And a waste of time.

        Be well.

        gothamette

        January 30, 2018 at EDT pm

      • I may have to stop blogging because I can’t stand too many of my commenters 😦

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        January 30, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Please don’t stop. I apologize.

        gothamette

        January 31, 2018 at EDT pm

      • “I may have to stop blogging because I can’t stand too many of my commenters ”

        Lion leave the world of blogging? Say it isn’t so! Folks, maybe we better be more civil with one another. We
        don’t want to force Lion to close up shop. I only hope I’m not one of the commenters that Lion can’t stand!

        Gothamette, please stay with us here. Your comments are an invaluable part of this blog.

        maryk

        January 30, 2018 at EDT pm

      • You’re not one of the commenters I can’t stand.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        January 30, 2018 at EDT pm

      • I’m back maryk. You and Lion, I just can’t quit you two.

        BTW the best part of SOTU was the balls out callin’ out of M13.

        https://www.google.com/search?q=m13+long+island&oq=m13+long+island&aqs=chrome..69i57.5199j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

        Oh that was a beautiful moment in SOTU history. Brilliant that the surviving family members were all NAMs. I guess people here would call it cucking, but I don’t care. Trump is the only politician who has the guts to say that we don’t want illegal trash in the US. I salute him.

        Everybody please, think of how things would be if Hillary had been elected. Think!

        gothamette

        January 31, 2018 at EDT pm

      • “You’re not one of the commenters I can’t stand”

        Not surprised. After all, I flatter you all the time. I probably should change my handle from “maryk” to “Lion’s oldguidettelapdog.”

        maryk

        January 31, 2018 at EDT am

    • I’m never passive aggressive, I’m totally direct and out there, which has been my downfall in life.

      Actually, someone who writes, “Nice ad hominem,” is the passive-aggressive one. The “nice” makes all the difference.

      What I truly objected to in your original comment was the vicious. slighting remark about the working class women who toil in the casinos as cashiers, front desk personnel, customer service reps, maids, etc. They aren’t whores and they don’t ask to be harassed.

      Your attitude towards them, and towards women in general, sucks.

      My point about powerful men is simply this: they own a workplace. What they say, goes. No one has any power to oppose them.

      You don’t seem to know that, so I concluded that you have never worked around a truly powerful man, only beta schnooks. Like you.

      Is that direct enough for ya?

      gothamette

      January 29, 2018 at EDT am

      • “What I truly objected to in your original comment was the vicious. slighting remark about the working class women who toil in the casinos as cashiers, front desk personnel, customer service reps, maids, etc.”

        Your misinterpretation says a lot about you.

        “You don’t seem to know that, so I concluded that you have never worked around a truly powerful man, only beta schnooks. Like you.”

        Lol, I suppose that’s another “observation.” Please take your feminist nonsense over to Jezebel where it will be most welcome.

        fortaleza84

        January 29, 2018 at EDT am

      • Please stop insulting each other. I consider you and Gothamette to both be on my list of better and more trusted commenters.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        January 29, 2018 at EDT am

    • Re prostitutes this question has been asked a lot regarding the various men in the doghouse. The general consensus is that it is humiliating for the man to have to hire a prostitute, whereas asserting power/ wealth etc to coerce, charm or pressure a woman into sex has the opposite effect.

      toomanyspiders

      January 29, 2018 at EDT am

      • It seems to me that wealthy and powerful men have no problem with hiring prostitutes and paying women for sex. The market for a lot of prostitutes is mostly wealthy and powerful men who can afford them.

        The reality is that wealthy and powerful men like to hire prostitutes and also like trying to screw ordinary women they come across, work for them, etc.

        Tom

        January 30, 2018 at EDT pm

    • Whats the fun in hiring hookers in getting your fix for sex. No challenge in paying someone for sex who has done it with a lot of other average men.
      Men with positions go after the employees because that is a real powere trip. The company is your kingdom and your employees are your servants. Huge ego gets soothed when a secretary is compelled to give bj just to keep her job.
      For guys who are in HBD blogs some are really so simple minded.

      mpt

      January 29, 2018 at EDT pm

  7. To feel “entitled” to something is to feel, “of course I should have it; it would be crazy if I didn’t have it!”?

    I feel entitled to a decent-looking mate who’s nice to me. The fact that I don’t have this distresses me. Perhaps if I didn’t have this sense of entitlement I wouldn’t be distressed.

    My sense of entitlement doesn’t result in my behaving in the way that this guy is said to have behaved.

    Reading the descriptions of his behavior in the WSJ articles linked through Drudge I had the sense that he approaches women in the way that homosexual men in the seventies are said to have approached each other. I’m not convinced that he and others who are said to have behaved in this way felt “entitled” to the sex they wanted, though. It seems to me that perhaps they were simply very confident that they could get it, and didn’t see any reason not to be very direct about signalling that this is what they wanted.

    Anyway, I’ve just read this interview with Jordan Peterson at Quillettte; it was interesting at a couple of points. For example, it’s interesting that men’s personalities are more distinct from women’s in Sweden than in (presumably) Saudi Arabia or Senegal. Perhaps Lion and other people might have thoughts about the interview — then I can read these thoughts later in the day, and that would be fun for me. Here it is:
    http://quillette.com/2018/01/27/walking-tightrope-chaos-order-interview-jordan-b-peterson/

    Garr

    January 28, 2018 at EDT am

    • There’s probably a difference between feminists whining that men feel entitled and men actually feeling that way.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      January 28, 2018 at EDT am

      • I’m starting to think that the word “entitled” is too vague to be of much use in discussions about sex. It seems that it’s frequently used as a way of dismissing or de-legitimizing other peoples’ desires.

        fortaleza84

        January 28, 2018 at EDT am

      • “I’m starting to think that the word “entitled” is too vague to be of much use in discussions about sex. It seems that it’s frequently used as a way of dismissing or de-legitimizing other peoples’ desires”

        Separate men and women in every facet life except in the personal, and America becomes a saner place.

        JS

        January 28, 2018 at EDT pm

      • I am in agreement with JS. The world has ended.

        Paul Ryan's Sickly Old Lap Dog

        January 29, 2018 at EDT am

    • I didn’t used to like Peterson (too much Jung, evolution) but now I do. He’s got a lot of great things to say.

      gothamette

      January 28, 2018 at EDT am

      • Yep JP’s stock is soaring these days. I can’t imagine an academic engaging in such realtalk pre-Trump.

        driveallnight

        January 28, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Camille Paglia has been engaging in realtalk since 1994.

        gothamette

        January 28, 2018 at EDT pm

      • I redd Sexual Personae when it came out and learned from it — good book.

        Garr

        January 28, 2018 at EDT pm

      • ACKSHUALLY…..

        driveallnight

        January 28, 2018 at EDT pm

    • So here’s something that maybe I disagree with Peterson about. He’s in favor of women competing with men for jobs; he has a “may the best person for the job, whether it be the woman or the man, be hired” attitude (with the understanding that it’ll probably be the man if it’s a high-pressure systems/things-oriented job). But it seems to me that (1) this would make women who could mannish jobs feel obliged to compete for them even when they’d be happier as moms; (2) it would make men in those work-environments feel emasculated.

      And, (3) I think that clearly defined sex-roles are so basic to human society that even if individual people would in fact be happier doing the work traditionally done by the other sex the result overall would be a sense of chaos and dreary pointlessness. Even the individual woman functioning well as an engineer, say, would feel the gloomy of a nonsensical social environment.

      So I’m inclined to think that people should be discriminated against on sexual grounds even when they might individually be the best people for the job.

      I think that I’d rather live in a genuinely and explicitly female-dominated society with clearly defined sex-roles than in a society without clearly defined sex-roles.

      Peterson says that women are more feminine, men more masculine, in Sweden than in Saudi Arabia. Maybe that’s because they feel the need to compensate for the lack of tradition-defined explicit sex-roles. Maybe this makes them unhappier than they need to be.

      Lion commented, regarding the photo of Churchill in a bathing suit posted a couple of threads ago, that it used to be that men could be “real” men without being gym-muscular. Maybe all of this crowding of men (including me) into weight-lifting gyms is an example of this kind of oppressive need to compensate for the lack of tradition-defined explicit sex-roles. We have to say, “See, I really AM a man! See! See!”

      Garr

      January 28, 2018 at EDT pm

      • A very thoughtful comment.

        First, about Peterson, he’s a classical “best man (or woman) for the job liberal.” He explicitly rejects race pride. Because of this, after a brief honeymoon, the alt-right has rejected him. That’s the good side of classical liberalism.

        But I think you put a finger on the bad side of classical liberalism. The best man for the job really could be a woman. In certain positions, this is so vanishingly rare, it’s a statistical impossibility, like football player or, notwithstanding various TV/movie producer fantasies, baseball pitcher. It won’t happen. But, despite what the mediocrities in these comment threads think, there really are a fair amount of upper-class women who are first rate lawyers, doctors, managers, etc. And I think it has brought about “a sense of chaos and dreary pointlessness.”

        Have you noticed that every time a field is opened up to women, after brief, perfunctory resistance, men desert it, and the field loses prestige? It becomes a form of housework.

        “Feel the gloomy”. ! I like that typo!

        gothamette

        January 28, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Jordan Peterson is very insightful, but I agree, the classical liberalism ideology he promotes is actually bound to create less happiness because it’s based on idealized reasoning about fairness. Human nature is not so neat, and the ideal principle for organizing our economic activity should not necessarily triumph when considering principles that govern organizing human society in other aspects.

        Feminism as a whole was a mistake. Women always had substantial (more substantial than most men) social capital. Women always worked, but their roles were more defined.
        If you look at Feminist critique one of the interesting things to note is that the overall thrust of the critique has little bearing to how our societies actually function. There is a distinctly feminine (unsurprisingly) myopia to criticisms, from the apex fallacy, innumeracy, self-centeredness, to concepts like entitlement, the feeling that certain things are ‘deserved’ and that society will simply give you things, rather than having to take them at every opportunity.
        At the behest of a cadre of unhappy women, society that generally functioned quite well has decided to dismantle everything that worked and as a result everyone is less happy. Sexual division of labor is older than agriculture, but is thrown out due to childishly ill-conceived notions of fairness.

        Panther of the Blogocube

        January 29, 2018 at EDT am

      • One thing I should say for the record about Peterson is that he’s brave. In Canada, he could theoretically be hauled in front of a kangaroo court, forced to pay $250K (Canadian dollars, but whatever) and the legal costs of the person who charges him. He was told this by a prominent lawyer and advised to shut up. He has not shut up.

        I imagine that if he were ever to end up in court, he’d have lawyers lining up around the block to rep him pro bono, but still, he got big brass balls for speaking up. I admire him tremendously.

        gothamette

        January 29, 2018 at EDT am

      • He’s like a Canadian Donald Trump (ie mild mannered and soft spoken but tells it like it is).

        Paul Ryan's Sickly Old Lap Dog

        January 29, 2018 at EDT pm

    • My first thought is it’s odd for him to cite jesus then encourage people to mentally pursue their darkest fantasies as some kind of self help mechanism. Jesus emphasized purity of thought as synonymous with purity of action. Ie it is just as bad to think about stealing, as it is to actually steal. This in fact is one of the starker doctrinal differences between christianity and judaism.

      His point about gender differences being wider in liberal countries is fascinating. If indeed the biological mechanism comes to fore in environments pushing gender homogeneity perhaps this would explain why female beauty and fashion have become so hypersexualized and male aesthetic tilts toward a roided up look. Both would look strange to someone from a hundred years ago.

      I disagree canada produces the best comedians. I think British and jews have the funniest comedians.

      toomanyspiders

      January 29, 2018 at EDT pm

      • “My first thought is it’s odd for him to cite jesus then encourage people to mentally pursue their darkest fantasies as some kind of self help mechanism. ”

        I dunno, but the real Jesus was a much more forceful and dark personality than he’s been made out to be, so I’ve read. I am no expert on these issues. But I’m sure Peterson has a good reason to say that. I won’t go to the mat for this though.

        I just like Peterson’s example of a gutsy guy who won’t back down in the face of hysteria, as I admire Paglia, while I disagree with much of what she says.

        gothamette

        January 31, 2018 at EDT pm

  8. A week or so ago, even David Copperfield was accused of drugging and assaulting a woman. I’d thought a guy like him too nerdy to pull something like that, But, now, he just looks creepy. I’m well aware that not every allegation is true. Still, when you have multiple people coming forward there’s a problem. This shit isn’t vitality. They’re degenerates. I’m well aware that feminists are trying to exploit these kinds of things for political power and special preferences and that’s wrong. But there’s clearly a lot of guys out there with a f”ing problem. And they’re giving women who hate men ammunition to push their agenda against the rest of us because they’ve got no self-control over their little dicks. I am tired of this shit. I’m tired of degenerates acting like degenerates. I’m tired of man-haters trying to exploit it. And I’m of little shit-stains making excuses for both of them. The solution is to give these creeps both barrels when they get outed. And to push back hard against the leftwing cnts trying to exploit it.

    I am not, however, tired of the degenerates being called out and ruined. Let the purge continue!

    destructure

    January 28, 2018 at EDT am

    • They’re still leaving the gay Hollywood moguls alone.

      http://www.lukeford.net/profiles/profiles/david_geffen.htm

      Curle

      January 28, 2018 at EDT am

      • I’ve already stated repeatedly that they’ll never be brought down. When hell freezes over.

        gothamette

        January 28, 2018 at EDT pm

      • @Curle, a gay journalist named Tom King was offered unprecedented access to Geffen’s life, with the understanding he would write a puff piece. When he didn’t, Geffen was outraged. A few years later King, a healthy man, HIV-, 40ish, died of “natural causes.”

        gothamette

        January 28, 2018 at EDT pm

    • You have to take everything on a case by case basis and form independent judgments.

      I read the Copperfield accuser’s story (Brittney? one of those type names) and found it utterly credible. I have no opinion on Copperfield one way or the other. Never paid him the least amount of attention.

      OTOH I think Woody Allen is innocent of the charge of child molestation. I’ve never been a fan, don’t like his movies, don’t like him, yes, he has a Moore-like fixation on barely legal girls, screwing his girlfriend’s adopted daughter was immoral, but this one instance of abusing his adopted daughter? Not buying it.

      gothamette

      January 28, 2018 at EDT am

      • “You have to take everything on a case by case basis and form independent judgments.”

        Agreed.

        I’ve never had a strong opinion on the Woody Allen thing one way or the other. There’s just no way to know whether there was something improper or just a disgruntled ex and family feud. Ultimately, the only person who could have settled the question married him. I don’t fault Mia or Ronan for being beside themselves. But I’ve always wondered if their anger wasn’t misplaced. I’ve dated asian women and found them conniving and duplicitous. I actually suspect Soon Yi pursued him Wendy Deng style.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wendi_Deng_Murdoch#Personal_life

        destructure

        January 28, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Until now I ignored the Woody/Mia spat.

        But since he was explicitly denounced, coven-style, but the usual gang of pure, virginal Hollywood suspects, I became interested.

        This site is interesting:

        https://ronanfarrowletter.wordpress.com/

        If you’re interested in the subject, it’s must-reading.

        It might well have been Soon Yi who pursued Woody, but he has a long history of bedding 17-19 year olds. Google Stacey Nelkin.

        In any case he’s been with Soon Yi since 1997. If it had busted up within a couple of years, we’d have grounds to point fingers. But it didn’t. So I’m not judging him or her.

        gothamette

        January 28, 2018 at EDT pm

      • >>This should be looked into:

        Dude and his wife were losers. Both were fatty nerds who converted to Islam out of spite. I feel sorry for their children. I wish there had been a way to extricate the children from Pakistan while leaving these two losers over there.

        Daniel

        January 28, 2018 at EDT pm

  9. All these sexual allegations coming forth in America proves a few things.

    1) American women are obnoxious lemmings just like the general population.

    2) Sexuality in America is unnatural and repressed, and this causes men to do all sorts of things that have been exploding out of the woodwork.

    3) Unrestrained capitalism brings out the self entitled jerks of men.

    JS

    January 28, 2018 at EDT am

    • How is sexuality in America repressed?

      maryk

      January 28, 2018 at EDT pm

      • “How is sexuality in America repressed?”

        That’s a good question. It seems to me that here has never been more sex out in the open than there is today.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        January 28, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Maybe not sexuality in general but male heterosexuality has certainly come under pressure. Feminist diktats about heterosexual rules of engagement which were once considered radical, are now gaining mainstream acceptance.

        Roli

        January 28, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Perhaps I should have said America is just full of irony.

        American liberals are more right wing than Europe’s right groups.

        JS

        January 28, 2018 at EDT pm

      • And Europe’s right groups are probably more intellectually inclined than the yankee pansies we have in the states.

        Norway’s foremost Islamophobe — his online name is Fjordman is well versed with Islamic history as to criticize Muslims rationally, while American bigots are just a bunch of irrational reactionaries who don’t even read books, but watch TV and believe whatever they see on the media. For example, Fjordman attacks the Islamic Golden Age (where they translate Ancient Greek texts into Arabic) as a vocational movement, and not an intellectual one. The Arabs were only interested in Greek Science and Philosophy that could enable Islam further. They shun Classical Greek culture, because it was of no use to them. The Muslims didn’t care for Homer and Euripides.

        JS

        January 28, 2018 at EDT pm

      • >>For example, Fjordman attacks the Islamic Golden Age (where they translate Ancient Greek texts into Arabic) as a vocational movement, and not an intellectual one. The Arabs were only interested in Greek Science and Philosophy that could enable Islam further. They shun Classical Greek culture, because it was of no use to them. The Muslims didn’t care for Homer and Euripides.

        Was the “Islamic Golden Age” even Islamic? The “Islamic Golden Age” is attributed to the first decades of the Arab conquest of Arabia, Syria, Egypt, Palestine and parts of Persia. The vast majority of the people – of course including “scientists”, philosophers, poets, lawyers, etc – of these newly conquered lands in no way considered themselves Muslims. In fact, there is overwhelming evidence that the Muslim conquerors didn’t even consider themselves Muslims. They followed a mish-mash of traditions that combined pagan Arab creeds with dollops of Christianity and Judaism. They were detested, loathed and feared for being violent brigands. The “Golden Age” stuff (just translation and discourse, really) was being produced by men who were largely Christian, who just happened to live in land under the domination of Arab war lords. As Islam creeped into the population, and the people began to convert, all this “flowering” or output, steadily decreased in a linear fashion, until within 2-3 centuries, nothing of intellectual note was coming from the Islamic world. Islam had done it’s job, it snuffed out the literary and philosophical work of quite creative people.

        Daniel

        January 28, 2018 at EDT pm

      • >>That’s a good question. It seems to me that here has never been more sex out in the open than there is today.

        There is too damned much sex projected in America. But this is not surprising, and nor is it new, the sexualization of American life started way back in the 1940s in the post WW2 years. Go down to the library and browse through the popular middle-brow magazines of the era (Time, Life, etc). The sex promotion was going on, even back then, but nowhere as blatant as now.

        Daniel

        January 28, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Most of the Islamic Philosophers and Scientists were from Persia and a few notables were from Islamic Spain.

        Christianity, unlike Islam and Judaism, found a way to secularize learning that lead to the Renaissance and Western Civilization just takes off.

        Jews similar to Muslims were discourage from learning anything that was not the word of God.

        JS

        January 28, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Daniel- Good point. I remember coming across a late WW2 Life magazine in an old cabin while on vacation as a kid. They had an article directed towards women on how to protect yourself from things your returning soldier learned from French girls during the war. They were writing in code, but it wasn’t hard to figure.

        Curle

        January 28, 2018 at EDT pm

      • “That’s a good question. It seems to me that here has never been more sex out in the open than there is today.”

        When you repress sexual differences (see Garr, above), you repress sexuality.

        gothamette

        January 28, 2018 at EDT pm

      • There’s a tiny percentage of SJW true believer women who have their sexuality repressed, the other 95% are f***ing like animals.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        January 28, 2018 at EDT pm

      • No, that’s not what I meant. Read Garr’s comment. Acknowledging hard-wired sexual differences in our society is repressed. And I doubt that 95% of women are f*cking like animals, but that’s a quibble. You missed the essence of my point.

        I have to say that I’m getting disappointed by the dense stupidity and grossness of the comments here. If it weren’t for the occasional maryk sighting, Garr & destructure I’d get lost.

        I just can’t quit you.

        gothamette

        January 29, 2018 at EDT am

      • Educated women are so repressed they won’t even admit that they seek out male attention, protesting instead about how much they abhor being sexualized (in addition to protesting about not being sexualized enough). That’s pretty fucking repressed. Spending loads of time and money sexualizing yourself doesnt count as being disinhibited if you constantly deny what it is you’re doing.

        Magnavox

        January 29, 2018 at EDT am

      • [Was the “Islamic Golden Age” even Islamic?]

        Sufism, at least in its original state, was essentially a cultural translation of the (christian) desert father tradition. Even the term sufism (‘wool wearer’) is a nod to the desert fathers, who were known for wearing wool.

        toomanyspiders

        January 29, 2018 at EDT am

      • “I just can’t quit you.”

        Isn’t this the title of a Led Zeppelin song? At any rate, it’s nice to know that I’m not the only woman addicted to Lion’s blog!

        maryk

        January 29, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Maybe its time for Lion to start excercising his power over the star struck female commentators and get in on the action as well.

        How about it ladies? The Lion needs love to.

        Paul Ryan's Sickly Old Lap Dog

        January 29, 2018 at EDT pm

      • [At any rate, it’s nice to know that I’m not the only woman addicted to Lion’s blog!]

        attachment is the source of all suffering.

        toomanyspiders

        January 29, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Lion’s biggest fans are middle-aged females. Is this something to be ashamed of? I think not. Call us the Helen Mirrens of the blog-commenting crowd.

        “Sufism, at least in its original state, was essentially a cultural translation of the (christian) desert father tradition. Even the term sufism (‘wool wearer’) is a nod to the desert fathers, who were known for wearing wool.”

        Again, this is beyond my pay grade, but I used to read widely and with little comprehension about the history of religions, and one of the interesting thinkers I came across was Robert Eisenman or Eisenmann, who was involved in opening up the Dead Sea Scrolls. He thinks that Jesus was actually James the Just, one of J’s brothers. Wrote a long book on it which I could not possibly understand…anyway, he’s one of those people who shoots of ideas like sparks, and one of those ideas is that Islam was actually an offshoot of the Ebionites, a group of fanatic 1st century Jews whose ideas spread across the Arabian peninsula from that century on. He also thinks that the Shia are the original Muslims, not the Sunni, and that the Shia derive directly from the Ebionites.

        Whatever.

        Wool could mean cloak, by the way.

        gothamette

        January 31, 2018 at EDT pm

      • “Is this something to be ashamed of?”

        I’m not ashamed.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        January 31, 2018 at EDT pm

      • It’s nothing to be ashamed of, it’s actually quite predictable that women prefer beta activities like a high level intellectual blogger after they pass their peak years of beauty and fertility. Alpha fux and beta bux. And this is how it will always be, until the world is nothing but dust.

        Paul Ryan's Sickly Old Lap Dog

        February 5, 2018 at EDT am

    • JS- My aging mother, for unclear reasons, has become addicted to watching Spanish, from Spain, Netflix shows like Velvet. I’ve noticed these shows never show blacks or other minorities and the women are always feminine. I think it reminds her of US in the 1960s. You always promote French culture less so Spain. Why?

      Curle

      January 28, 2018 at EDT pm

      • I don’t promote French culture. The French are just staunch Anti-Anglos of the Continentals.

        JS

        January 28, 2018 at EDT pm

      • JS is really killing it today. The Anglos are like the barbarians who overtook the more cultured Romans. In this case the French unironically are the Romans.

        Paul Ryan's Sickly Old Lap Dog

        January 29, 2018 at EDT am

      • Gran hotel (spain version of downton abbey) is excellent.

        toomanyspiders

        January 29, 2018 at EDT am

    • 2) Sexuality in America is unnatural and repressed, and this causes men to do all sorts of things that have been exploding out of the woodwork.

      Surely the simpler explanation is that it’s women who are repressed and compulsively lie about their sexuality.

      Magnavox

      January 28, 2018 at EDT pm

      • I am in rare agreement with Magnavox. Bravo sir.

        Paul Ryan's Sickly Old Lap Dog

        January 29, 2018 at EDT am

  10. Gothamette, are you a lawyer? If not, how would you know whether a woman can be a first rate lawyer? Because here’s the thing: women have constituted half or more of T-14 law grads for at least 30 years now (my 1L class in 1980 was 49% women), and the reality is that the number of women who’ve become ace
    practitioners is miniscule. I actually know of three. One, from the class behind me, is a leading celebrity divorce lawyer in H’wood, another is a go-to IP litigator in SF, and a third is crackerjack criminal defense in the East Bay (though no murders, notably). But two things happened with women lawyers. First, tens of thousands of them took the easy way out and went into employment defense, the easiest dollar in law. Many of them will joke with you about it: “all I do is throw a bunch of spaghetti against the wall and hope some of it sticks” This is a reference to the employer practice of forcing anyone who ever worked with the plaintiff to interview with Defense Lady and tattle some dirt. Second, women lawyers fell into what I call the black paranoia trap – theyi immediately started seeing conspiracies against them by male lawyers and judges. The end result is there are entire practice areas where nobody coukd name a single woman lawyer
    who’d they want representing them in a big case. Who’s the woman antitrust ace? If a municipal lamppost falls on your husband’s head as he’s driving by putting him in a permanent coma (a real case in L.A.) who’s the woman personal injury tiger? I can’t name her. Who’s the woman who won a 1st or 4th amendment award against a government entity? Can’t name her. But I can name p!enty of women lawyers who can write you a perfectly good trust document.

    Marty

    January 28, 2018 at EDT pm

    • ” If not, how would you know whether a woman can be a first rate lawyer? ”

      Marty, I make it a point to ignore idiots.

      gothamette

      January 29, 2018 at EDT am

  11. For those who don’t remember, Wynn and Trump butted heads many years ago in Atlantic City.

    ScarletNumber

    January 29, 2018 at EDT pm


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