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Deer more dangerous than cows!

Across America, deer are the most dangerous animal, in terms of loss of human life and monetary cost. Accidents involving deer kill about 200 people each year, and cause $4 billion in property damage every year. According to a study done by the State Farm insurance Company, a driver has a one-in-169 chance of hitting a deer within the next year. According to the same study, the average cost of a deer collision is $3,888.

Beware deer.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

February 9, 2018 at 1:59 PM

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  1. Is deer meat good?


    February 9, 2018 at 2:20 PM

    • I think so, but lots of people think the taste is too oily.

      For my birthday one time when I was in college we had a cookout and my friend Hunter (who was a hunter – hah!) secretly substituted deer meat patties in all the burgers. No one complained.

      Jokah Macpherson

      February 9, 2018 at 3:16 PM

    • It can be a little gamey depending on habitat and diet, but in general yes it’s delicious. Especially so as jerky.


      February 9, 2018 at 3:21 PM

    • Yes, and healthy, but is it kosher?


      February 9, 2018 at 3:35 PM

      • Deer is kosher, but the Orthodox believe that no meat is kosher unless killed by Orthodox Jews following ritual killing methods.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        February 9, 2018 at 11:12 PM

      • (Orthodox believe that no meat is kosher unless killed…)

        Empire Kosher has gotten in trouble for employing illegal immigrants (mexican/ guatemalan). I guess as long as a shochet does the actual killing, anyone can do the chopping up and packaging.

        I was surprised to see a video of automated poultry production in Israel, it showed an automated slaughter line which I believe would be considered non-kosher and non-halal. Is there even a market in Israel for such meat? Or is there a loophole for automated slaughter?


        February 10, 2018 at 8:41 AM

      • I rewatched it and they do in fact chop each head off by hand, so maybe it is kosher after all?


        February 10, 2018 at 8:49 AM

      • It baffles me how Jews come up with tasty deli meats like pastrami and roast beef, but Kosher meat tastes gamey or too different for those who aren’t accustomed to it.


        February 10, 2018 at 4:07 PM

      • All of the workers in the Israeli chicken processing plant are brown. Are they African immigrants doing the jobs that Israelis won’t do?

        E. Rekshun

        February 10, 2018 at 6:27 PM

      • Obviously the animal and its slaughter have to be performed in accordance with the Jewish Law. Say you are starving and all you have is cats and dogs, you should still slaughter them properly before eating them, not just club them on the head or smother them.


        February 10, 2018 at 6:35 PM

      • [All of the workers in the Israeli chicken processing plant are brown.]

        I noticed that too. I know very little about Israeli politics but have read many news stories about underclass asians and africans being imported for menial labor, and eastern european women imported for sex work.

        This particular company, AFAICT, is owned by Indians so perhaps some of the ‘brown people’ are indian.

        Still pretty sure that guy chopping off heads doesn’t count as a shochet.

        Yakov: I 100% agree. I was forced by health reasons to switch from vegan to 90% carnivore. I’m seriously considering only eating kosher and halal meat from here on in, because at least a prayer is recited over these poor creatures before their heads are lopped off. It’s the least we can do.


        February 10, 2018 at 7:26 PM

      • ” I know very little about Israeli politics but have read many news stories about underclass asians and africans being imported for menial labor, and eastern european women imported for sex work.”



        February 11, 2018 at 1:37 PM

    • No, it tastes way too gamey. Venison is overrated by hunters who actually just like to kill deer. This is in contrast to game birds like pheasant and quail, which are delicious.


      February 9, 2018 at 4:53 PM

      • It is pretty good in stew and you can combine it with pork to make decent sausages. Deer jerky is just as good as beef jerky in my view, though I have a pretty low opinion of jerky to begin with. Most hunters like hunting for sure but with some there is also a bit of a bargain hunter thing going on. A deer yields about 50lb of meat give or take. If you have a lot of hunters in your family they’ll be an enormous amount of “free” meat around the Holidays so might as well convince yourself it tastes better than it does.


        February 10, 2018 at 1:26 AM

    • Venison is OK. Kind of like beef but very lean and with a distinct taste. The leanness means you can’t skimp on marinades, and overcooking venison steaks (by which I mean anything past medium rare) is even worse than overcooking beef.


      February 9, 2018 at 5:09 PM

      • Agree with Wency, deer meat is the hunter’s version of “virtue signaling” or swplism. Ie an overly gamey inferior and overpriced (whether in monetary units or in time and effort to produce) product that is consumed primarily because you can do it…

        Paul Ryan's Sickly Old Lap Dog

        February 10, 2018 at 1:19 PM

    • It’s delicious. If you’re a meat lover, venison backstrap (tenderloin) is just about the best thing you can eat.

      Two in the Bush

      February 9, 2018 at 5:42 PM

    • Yes, very good provided you process it properly. Deer fat and connective tissue is not good at all. You’ve got to remove it all.

      Bitter Clinger

      February 9, 2018 at 6:37 PM

    • Too drive and tough. You have to stew it for it be good. I recall eating venison steaks and they way too tough.


      February 9, 2018 at 7:25 PM

    • Its leaner than beef and more nutritious than chicken. Road kill isn’t considered hunting though you have to report the kill to the police so the National Park Service can record it. They have to cull a certain amount of deer to keep it within the carrying capacity to prevent diseases and starvation. Without annual hunts, mass extinction events are a possibility.
      An old truck that you can buy cheap could put some meat on your table for two weeks without too much worry about damage. Your small compact car will probably be totalled. This cheap ass Federal Government could solve this with fences, but I guess they cannot even put those up. Thousands of lives could be spared Lyme Disease if this government actually did what its supposed to.

  2. This is no surprise to anyone who has driven upstate NY. I’ve been told many conflicting ways of how to avoid deer. Does anyone here have advice?


    February 9, 2018 at 2:23 PM

    • Don’t drive at night.


      February 9, 2018 at 3:08 PM

      • I nearly got kilt by a deer during the day, driving in Harriman State Park.

        Someone gave me counter-intuitive advice, which might have saved my life. He told me to speed up and now slow down if approached. In this case, the deer approached on my left – it was very startling and appeared out of literally nowhere on my left. I had enough presence of mind to floor the gas pedal – in other words – sped up, didn’t slow down – and outran the beast. I nearly had a breakdown right after.


        February 9, 2018 at 3:19 PM

      • gothamette that is terrible. Few things more terrifying than a brush with death at high speed.


        February 10, 2018 at 10:22 AM

      • Was the deer attacking you? The deer is a peaceful animal, seeking only to forage and bang other deer.

        Paul Ryan's Sickly Old Lap Dog

        February 10, 2018 at 1:21 PM

      • It was awful. Worse, I had a hysterical male in the passenger seat. He was the one who alerted me that there was something amiss, by gasping and pointing to my left. Yeah, that was so smart of him. I glanced to my left & saw antlers & floored it.

        I have a weird capacity to remain calm in extreme situations.


        February 10, 2018 at 6:28 PM

      • At the time it brushed over me as if it were nothing. Only in thinking of it later on did it affect me.

        OTOH, having a huge roach alight on my shoulder in Tel Aviv shook me up. But now I don’t care.


        February 10, 2018 at 6:36 PM

      • That’s the size of a New York roach… I’m surprised that surprised you. The roach is a noble insect, seeking only to leave traces of its fecal matter everywhere it goes.

        Paul Ryan's Sickly Old Lap Dog

        February 10, 2018 at 9:24 PM

    • Deer crossing are mapped. Signs are too late. Spring is when mating season starts up. Deer don’t really mate up for life. Those bucks run around for miles looking for tail during mating season. Night is the most dangerous time. Your headlights won’t let you see them before they cross, and deer freeze up and stand immobile when headlights shine on them.

  3. Anything from a 243 on up is fine for deer, though some people use AR’s in 223.



    February 9, 2018 at 2:25 PM

    • I’ll remember that next time I drive in Harriman State Park. Will you pay for my legal fees when I end up in jail?


      February 10, 2018 at 10:29 AM

      • Lol, imagining you firing a center-fire rifle


        February 10, 2018 at 9:53 PM

  4. Wolves are making a strong come back in British Columbia. We could send some your way to keep the deer population in check.


    February 9, 2018 at 3:01 PM

    • Deer do attract coyotes which we also have on SI.

      I always assumed moose were more lethal than deer re car accidents but apparently not.

      My sister totaled her suburban when she hit a moose.

      My mother once hit a wild turkey at high speed; a perfect imprint of its feathered wingspan was lightly dented into her hood. It was like a rudimentary photograph.


      February 9, 2018 at 3:32 PM

    • The Canadian right wing group in the French Speaking Province, known as the Wolf Pack in English has gotten into a recent spat with Justin Trudope, who was calling them a bunch of racist idiots with the paws logo. In response, the group essentially labeled Trudope as “the dope”. As we all know, Trudope is a liberal, who embraces multicult.


      February 9, 2018 at 8:23 PM

      • So this is the right wing group in Québec who’ve become a comical relief to Justin Trudeau and his liberal ilk. He think these guys are a joke, especially with their paws logo. Their message is that there should be no multiculturalism in the French Speaking Province. To me, these guy are just bunch of nice guys.

        Their message is very different from the “White Nationalist” or “White Separatist” movements in Meriprolestan who have this hardcore ideology that non-white people should not only reject white culture, because they aren’t White, they need to be deported or separated from Whites.

        This comparison serves as a stark contrast between the Anglophone and Francophone world.


        February 10, 2018 at 5:27 PM

  5. People who live outside of very urban areas are well aware of this. Deer are quite numerous these days. I had a near miss several years ago around 1:00 am at the top of an exit ramp off I-40 in suburban NC. It was very dark and there was a deer standing right in the middle of the exit ramp, which I would have hit if I had not been one lane over.

    Jokah Macpherson

    February 9, 2018 at 3:02 PM

    • And I saw a deer cross the road in front of me while driving on the Korean War Veterans Parkway. I wouldn’t say it was a close call, but it was weird.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      February 9, 2018 at 3:09 PM

    • Deer are a major menace. Thank goodness for hunters.

      The article is missing a major component- what number of people injured per year by deer.
      If you divide the total cost $4B by the cost per accident it seems like there are over a million collisions.

      Who knows how many of those incurred injury. But clear there is a lot of mayhem being caused and some more culling would save more health costs than Obamacare.


      February 9, 2018 at 4:40 PM

  6. Born and raised in Upstate New York, although have lived in NYC for 30 years. Upstate is full of deer, including heavily populated areas like Syracuse/Rochester/Buffalo.
    When I visit Rochester in the summer to see relatives I always see deer. A lot of them.
    Venison is delicious, though might be too gamey for more refined palates. I love it.


    February 9, 2018 at 4:09 PM

    • So please give us your collective wisdom as to what to do when a deer streaks across the road.

      I’ve been told that if the deer is just standing there, slow down & flash your lights. That will break the spell of the old “deer in the headlights”, duh.

      But there are so many other possibilities.

      One thing I’d never do is swerve off the road to avoid the deer, hit the brakes, etc. I would do that if it were clear, and there were no trees or people. My point is I wouldn’t avoid the deer to avoid killing or hurting it. I don’t care about the deer’s life.


      February 10, 2018 at 10:32 AM

  7. Some years back, while driving through the province of Alberta I hit a deer, which a few moments earlier had popped onto the highway out of the blue. I slammed the brakes as hard as I could but still made a substantial impact with the animal. The rental car I was driving suffered a dent (which insurance was able to cover) and the deer promptly ran off. Though it appeared unhurt given the speed it took off at, I suspect it probably suffered fairly serious injury given the impact. I felt every bit of sympathy for that deer on that day, as I would have were it a person. It always amazed me most people couldn’t.


    February 9, 2018 at 4:14 PM

    • Is “every bit [as much” sympathy for that deer … as I would have [felt] were it a person” a bit of an exaggeration? You would have felt worse if it had been a child, right? Or any kind of human being, but especially if it had been a human child?

      “Sympathy” is a weird word, don’t you think? I think that it literally means “suffering with” (or “feeling with”). The “with” part is what’s weird. You feel bad when you see that someone or something is suffering, so now you’re suffering too — but that’s not really a suffering WITH, is it? “Empathy” is even weirder — the implication is that you’re somehow imagining that you’re that suffering person, feeling what he feels from his point of view. But this experience must be vanishingly rare. I don’t think that I’ve ever had it. For example, suppose that General Kelly (I’m trying to think of a tough guy) is supposedly empathizing with a little old lady who’s very upset as she tells the story of what happened to her daughter back in 1974; is he imagining himself as this little old lady remembering what happened to her daughter?

      Sympathy, taken literally, would tend to collapse into empathy anyway; to sympathize is to imagine yourself as a clone of that person, overlapping with her/him, perhaps situated one millimeter to the left or right. So there’s only one millimeter of distance between sympathy and empathy.

      I suppose you could interpret these states of co-passion or in-passion in this way: we have an “I’m suffering there” feeling, but the “I” in question isn’t the ordinary “I” of individual selfhood, it’s the “deep” self of a universal Will. So, when Bob empathizes with Jim he doesn’t imagine himself (Bob-self) as Jim; he takes the point of view of the Deep Self suffering there as Jim. I’m not sure that this is the correct interpretation, though; when you want to stop someone’s suffering — that is, put an end to the event that makes him feel bad, or take him out of the painful situation — you feel, if anything, more sharply distinct from him than you would otherwise feel. His individual reality as a separate being is especially apparent to you then.

      But obviously one’s disturbance at the sight of someone else’s suffering is different in kind, not just in intensity, from one’s disturbance at the sight of, say, a broken inanimate possession. The latter disturbance may even be greater. It may bother you a lot more to see that your car has been smashed than to recognize the upset little old lady’s mental state, but the way in which it bothers you is quite different — you’re bothered “on a deeper level” if less intensely. So what is this “deeper level”?

      I don’t know; it’s all very strange.


      February 10, 2018 at 7:01 AM

    • “I slammed the brakes as hard as I could but still made a substantial impact with the animal.”

      I don’t think that’s a great idea. I realize that seeing a deer streak across your line of sight is very startling but the smarter thing might be to slow down and swerve in the opposite direction of where the deer is going. And I do not care about hitting the deer.

      I’m a hard-hearted woman. I care about surviving, or not hitting a kid, or another car.


      February 10, 2018 at 10:34 AM

  8. What animal is more prole — a deer or a cow?

    Oswald Spengler

    February 9, 2018 at 4:21 PM

    • Finally, someone asking the important LOB question


      February 10, 2018 at 7:02 PM

      • I would say that deer meat is more prole than cow meat, but that a living cow is more prole than a living deer.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        February 10, 2018 at 7:14 PM

      • Trick question! They are both equally prole.

        Paul Ryan's Sickly Old Lap Dog

        February 10, 2018 at 9:28 PM

      • This is actually very simple. Both deer and cow are used in heraldry so there is nobility to both. A cow is more down to earth and prolish, you don’t use deer’s manure, but cow’s is good for fuel and firtelizer, some African savages eat it. Jewish stores don’t have venison, so I’m handicapped in this area. Jews are like Lion, who doesn’t like exotic foods. In many ways Lion is a typical prole Jew. You can’t get goat meat either and this is very annoying. I like everything exotic because I’m a friendly chap.


        February 10, 2018 at 11:52 PM

      • Western Beef always has goat meat in the freezer.


        February 11, 2018 at 11:29 AM

      • The rabbis will have to issue a ruling when we can synthesize meat-like products in a lab. Will synth-lobster be kosher or unkosher? If it never really lived, can one say it was killed?

        A case for the RamBam!


        February 11, 2018 at 1:40 PM

      • [Will synth-lobster be kosher or unkosher?]

        In terms of kashrut there is a halachic concept of ‘another substance.’ Say you cook something in a pan but no matter how many times you wash and scrub it, a residual substance remains on the surface that is subjected to cooking in that pan again and again.

        Eventually that residual substance is, halachically, considered ‘another substance.’ Neither meat nor dairy.

        My guess is synthetic meat will be considered ‘another substance’ so technically kosher and pareve.


        February 11, 2018 at 7:23 PM

  9. I hit a deer last May.

    A group of three deer ran out in front of me on a rural state highway. I braked and swerved to miss the first two, but struck the tail end of the last one. It left a huge dent in the hood of my car. Total damage was about $2500, fortunately my insurance took care of it past the first $500. Also I was fortunate that the car was drivable for the few days before the shop could get all the replacement parts, so it didn’t cause any major invonvenience.

    I remember thinking I could have avoided all three if the driver behind me hadn’t been following me as closely. I was afraid to completely slam the brakes.

    I was a little shaken up by the experience. I had to call it in to the Sheriff’s Department. In my state it’s a ticket not to report any collision over $1,000 in value. And of course I needed the police report to get the insurance payout.

    I chatted with the guy who owned the place that fixed my car. His son around 20 years old worked for him. I learned from Facebook he had an extremely hot daughter about the same age. (She is spoiled from her dad’s successful business sending heavily padded bills to insurance companies??)

    Wisconsin, where I live, is probably one of worst places for this. I’ve also lived in San Antonio, Texas, and deer are extremely abundant in rural areas outside of that city due to Ranchers breeding them for private hunting groups.


    February 9, 2018 at 4:32 PM

    • ” and deer are extremely abundant in rural areas outside of that city due to Ranchers breeding them for private hunting groups.”

      These ranchers are exactly the kind of Republican assholes who ran the party like a private country club. I have personal experience with them and their brain-dead spawn. They looked the other way while Texas was invaded by illegals, not caring a good goddamn that they were importing Blue voters. If it weren’t for the fact that they are in the Union and TX is an important state, I would say let Texas go Blue, and let these ranchers suffer the fate of the Zimbabwean farmers.

      Rich Republican farmers control the state legislatures of many western states and they want their greedy mitts on federal land so they can control the resources and do frivolous shit like breeding pests for private hunting groups. Unfortunately, the only oppo party in these states is the Democrats.


      February 10, 2018 at 10:38 AM

      • But that’s how it was in the south pre civil war as well and that’s how it is in America now in general. Why should 99% of people suffer just to get retribution on a few myopic greedy elites.

        Paul Ryan's Sickly Old Lap Dog

        February 10, 2018 at 9:30 PM

  10. In college I delivered pizza in Ithaca, NY. A fellow pizza driver, a redneck local in my college town, bragged that he could bag a deer outside of hunting season by driving on back roads and knocking one down. He would call it an accident and the local police would tag it for him.

    Well a week later I saw his (old) car with the front end freshly smashed up. He got his deer but he his car didn’t handle it as well as he expected.


    February 9, 2018 at 4:54 PM

    • God bless his salt of the earth heart. Performing a public service once again.

      Paul Ryan's Sickly Old Lap Dog

      February 10, 2018 at 1:27 PM

  11. In addition to being road hazards, deer also spread Lyme disease.

    The deer population is kept large in order to benefit hunters. Took me a while to figure this one out. It would probably benefit the average Joe if hunters killed more does (females), but instead there are all sorts of restrictions on what you can kill so that hunters minimize their impact on the deer population.

    I personally prefer bird hunting, which is much classier than deer. But I do think hunting of any sort is important to a man’s development, even if fewer men take advantage of the opportunity these days. And deer are the most accessible and easiest animal to hunt in much of the U.S. So my opinion is mixed on how tightly deer populations ought to be controlled.


    February 9, 2018 at 4:59 PM

  12. There is a multi million dollar deer vasectomy program that obviously isn’t workimg. If anything they are just clearing the way for the other male deer. There’s a red pill allegory in there… but I’m not sure what.


    February 9, 2018 at 5:02 PM

    • The government tries to castrate men with #meto laws that cost millions in litigation and productivity/ruined reputations, but all it does is clear the way for alpha males to breed the sluts with their oversized alpha balls.

      Paul Ryan's Sickly Old Lap Dog

      February 10, 2018 at 1:29 PM

      • Worst is it empowers the legions of female bitter gold rockers who start keeping journals of the affronts to their dignity.

        We have one particularly aggregious goldbricking female at my office who has mastered the fine art of time-cheating and other things. When a new supervisor arrived a few years ago and tried to reign things in, she filed a complaint saying she caught this fellow looking at her cooch. This is an unattractive woman in her late 50s. HR, well aware of her antics, ignored it. Nevertheless . . .


        February 10, 2018 at 5:44 PM

      • Gold bricker not rocker.


        February 10, 2018 at 5:44 PM

  13. I think this is fake news. I mean, a tiger is more dangerous than a deer, but I don’t think that all the tigers in the world had done property damage of 4 BILLION (sic!) $$$ over the entire last century. Don’t believe everything you read, mate.

    Incidentally, in Rishkesh a cow that is too old to give milk is put into a special old age barn where they live till they die. This is nice. They still can use the manure for fertilizer so it’s not like the cow is totally good for nothing, but still it’s nice of them. This isn’t prole, by the way. No prole would keep an old cow, he would make sausage out of it.

    I was jogging upstate and deer came out at me from the bush. I punched it in the jaw and the fury coat cushioned the blow. Than I saw that his guts were out. Apparently he was hit by a stupid car. I felt bad for punching a wounded deer, but he’d scared me. I think he died. At times like this you wish you were a vet or at least a nurse. Wouldn’t help though, that creature need surgery. Why am I telling you all this? Be careful when you drive and don’t hurt animals, that’s why.


    February 9, 2018 at 5:15 PM

    • The Hindus believe that cows are holy animals.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      February 9, 2018 at 11:15 PM

    • yakov, deer are not aggressive toward humans but they have a bad habit of wandering into roadways.

      There are more than a million deer related car accidents per year, just in the US. When you factor in medical costs for those injured in accidents, I’m not surprised by the billion $ pricetag.

      Hindus hold cows as sacred (the origin of the term ‘holy cow’) and there are occasionally unfortunate stories where enraged hindus will kill someone suspected of killing a cow, and/or eating cow meat.


      February 10, 2018 at 10:31 AM

      • A male deer was once acting very aggressively towards me in the woods in Staten Island. I had to back off.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        February 10, 2018 at 2:34 PM

      • “A male deer was once acting very aggressively towards me in the woods in Staten Island. I had to back off.”

        Deer can be aggressive toward humans. They usually will flee at the sight of humans, but if there isn’t a clear path out they can show aggression.
        Trivia: Alaskan brown bears can often be a major danger to humans. While you can legally shoot a bear to defend yourself, to avoid prosecution you have to skin the bear and present the entire pelt to a wildlife officer. That can be an exhausting, all-day affair.



        February 10, 2018 at 4:15 PM

      • Right, I assumed deer would be skittish and run away, but this deer was staring at me and holding it’s ground.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        February 10, 2018 at 7:06 PM

      • ‘A male deer was once acting very aggressively towards me in the woods in Staten Island. I had to back off”

        Of course he was, Lion. He wanted you to help him improve his status, but you wouldn’t advise him. I don’t blame him for being aggressive. His frustration was only natural. Should be have to remain a deer prole all his life? It’s not like deer have their own equivalent of Paul Fussell to help them. There is no “Lion of the Deerosphere.” And I’ll bet the poor guy had realistic aspirations and wasn’t expecting to become the new Bambi.


        February 10, 2018 at 4:35 PM

      • It was probably mating season, or you scared it and interpreted fear as aggression. What SI woods are you hanging around? Be careful, homeless people and drug addicts camp out in parts of the greenbelt.

        On a lighter note, pictures of staten islanders with famous people:

        My favorite is the one of clint eastwood with the nuns.

        The only famous people I’ve ‘met’ are woody allen (well he walked in a room, and I was there) and gregory peck. He walked past me in the lincoln center library.

        I was childhood friends with the son of a famous soviet dissident. That’s it for me and brushes with fame.


        February 10, 2018 at 5:36 PM

      • In terms of spotting well known New Yawkas, I’ve seen Susan Sarandon (who’s part Guido) ride a bike down the Ave of the Americas during the the Mid 2000s.

        I’ve also seen Lou Reed take a walk on the wildside with his dog in Tompkin’s Square Park, also around the same time period.

        2 years ago, I told Lion that I’ve spotted Sheldon Silver near Astor Place, where his ex-law firm is located.


        February 10, 2018 at 8:10 PM

      • Males are supposed to be aggressive, Lion. I saw Kojak upstate and took tons of pics of him for a girl that was crazy about him. That was in 1978.


        February 11, 2018 at 7:57 AM

      • Lion,

        Yeah, I had an encounter with a large male buck myself walking on the path of a forest preserve. We were 50-75 feet apart staring at each other for about 2 minutes.

        The deer then veered to the right, across the street and back into the woods.

        These are very dangerous animals, simply because of their size. If they charge you, then you will be seriously injured.


        February 11, 2018 at 6:52 PM

  14. My friend hit a moose in the Adirondacks about 20 years ago. His jeep suffered extensive damage, although neither passenger was injured.

    Also hitting a deer while riding a motorcycle can kill the rider. Deer are most active at dawn and dusk, and especially during mating season.

    Lewis Medlock

    February 9, 2018 at 8:07 PM

  15. Hey, Lion, I already posted this link on Sailer’s blog over at

    What’s your take? Do you have one?


    February 9, 2018 at 8:32 PM

    • I already read that. What a hypocrite! She should resign ASAP. But she won’t.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      February 9, 2018 at 11:18 PM

      • What happened to innocent until proven guilty?


        February 10, 2018 at 6:28 PM

      • Who cares? She’s Hispanic and she groped a hermano. Most important, she isn’t a hot Mexicana.

        If she was Eva Longoria during her nubile years, who pinched the guy’s buttock, he would have been wow, oh yeah!


        February 10, 2018 at 9:51 PM

      • Lion is a lawyer and if he doesn’t care, who will?


        February 10, 2018 at 11:54 PM

  16. The real question is how much the Kremlin pays the Antistaga to sabotage our nation with horned thugs and doe-eyed apologists.

    Panther of the Blogocube

    February 9, 2018 at 9:27 PM

  17. I hit a deer many years ago. The deer jumped out in front of my car. It did significant damage to the car. I doubt if the deer survived, although it limped away.

    Cows are much slower than deer and don’t jump in front of cars, though they may walk out in the road if they get loose.


    February 9, 2018 at 9:45 PM

    • Fences also keep cows contained, and do $*@!-all to constrain deer. Where I live there is a road called Dead Cow (not its real name, but everybody calls it that) road, which is kinda busy with oilfield traffic, and is open range (no fences). Dead cows are almost a constant sight on the side of the road, and woe betide the person that drives that road at breakneck speed at night in anything less than a semi.

      Some Guy

      February 10, 2018 at 11:53 PM

  18. I hit a deer late one evening about 10 years ago. It damaged the bumper, grill and hood but that’s about it.

    A year earlier, one of my co-workers hit a deer on an interstate on-ramp. He was on a motorcycle and it split his helmet, knocked him unconscious and left him bleeding out his ears. Not to mention some broken bones and road rash. He’s lucky it didn’t kill him. But if he’d been in a car he probably wouldn’t have gotten hurt.

    If one is looking to deer hunt, I recommend a Marlin 336 in 30-30. You can pick up a decent used one for around $200. An ideal deer and pig rifle out to 200 yards. More than that you do not need.


    February 9, 2018 at 11:16 PM

    • “If one is looking to deer hunt, I recommend a Marlin 336 in 30-30. You can pick up a decent used one for around $200. An ideal deer and pig rifle out to 200 yards. More than that you do not need.”

      I bought a Marlin 336 in 30-30 at a gun show several months ago and paid $375. That was a decent if not outstanding price, mine was in very good condition, there’s no way you will find one for under about $275 unless it’s in really bad shape. It’s a nice handy rifle, though the spring tension on the loading gate is so strong it can be literally painful to push in the rounds.
      In general, 336’s made between 2009 and about 2014 are the most reasonably priced, though not for a particularly good reason. Remington bought Marlin in 2007 and after a couple of years closed the Connecticut plant and moved production to Remington factories elsewhere. For the next several years the quality control of the so-called “Remlins” was very poor, so much so that many gun stores refused to stock them. In the last few years Remington has finally gotten its act together and is making 336’s and other Marlin models that are of decent quality. Things might get worse, however, as Remington is in bad financial condition.



      February 10, 2018 at 3:29 PM

      • I have a Marlin 30-30 lever action and I actually do not like it at all, although I have heard no shortage of endorsements like yours, above. Specifically, I find the lever mechanism too stiff and not at all comfortable. However, it belonged to my father-in-law so I keep it for that reason.

        S.J., Esquire

        February 11, 2018 at 7:57 AM

      • I bought a well-worn but decent used one for $200 around 2005. That was the going rate at the time. I didn’t realize prices had gone up so much. I’m kind of surprised considering how many there are floating around. The thing about the Marlin 30-30s is that no one buys them to plink. They’re strictly a hunting rifle. So even an old, beater hasn’t had that many rounds through it. You’re right about that loading gate, though. My old one from the 60’s is much easier. But I have a newer one from the 80s that’s pretty stiff. I’ve been meaning to do something about it but never got around to it. I just use the old one. I always preferred used guns and tools for that reason. They’re already broken in and I don’t feel bad if they get banged up. My new stuff just sits in the safe.

        Speaking of stiff springs. I bought a Taurus PT-111 Millennium Pro around 2005 that had a magazine spring so stiff I could barely load the thing. I kept the mags loaded (springs compressed) and it got better. It’s not a bad little pistol for the money but that spring was ridiculous.


        February 11, 2018 at 5:03 PM

      • I have a Winchester Model 94 in 30-30 that I inherited from my grandfather, who hunted deer with it in the thick woods of Northwestern New York State. My other grandfather, who lived in the same area, employed a semi-auto Remington 742 chambered in 30-06, with the basketweave stock. I have possession of that rifle as well.

        When I was in high school my father and I used to embark on camping trips in which we hiked many miles into the wilderness and were sure to encounter California black bears. For those trips we always packed along the Win 94, as it is a light and short rifle that still packs a wallop, enough to fell an adult black bear. And we did have several bear encounters, although it ultimately proved much easier to simply scare them off than to shoot them.

        From what I have seen, pre-1964 Win 94s are worth a decent amount of money. But I would never sell mine.
        Selling a family heirloom like that would certainly be considered prole!

        Lothar of the Hill People

        February 12, 2018 at 4:19 AM

      • PS – While we are on the subject, I should mention that Ronnie DeFeo Jr., the guido murderer of Long Island’s Amityville Horror, used a Marlin 336 to murder his family during that fateful night. Although I believe it was chambered in a different caliber…

        Lothar of the Hill People

        February 12, 2018 at 4:32 AM

      • PPS – I should also mention that my father also owns a very beautiful Weatherby Mark V with a Leupold scope chambered in 30-06. He purchased it from a co-worker who was getting remarried and had to get rid of it, as it was a gift from his first wife, He sold it to my dad for 300 bucks. It’s a beautiful rifle, much too nice to take out into the mud and blood that involves independent hunting in the wilderness.

        So for now it’s a safe queen. Nice to look at, but there is no emotional connection compared to the ostensibly inferior and beat-up Win 94 or Rem 742 that were actually used by my prole ancestors to kill deer with.

        Lothar of the Hill People

        February 12, 2018 at 7:24 AM

      • Lothar — Yeah. The pre-64’s are considered more desirable than those made after 64. Though I’m not sure they’re better than current production. FN bought them in the 90s and moved production to Japan a few years ago. That’s not a bad thing. Japan doesn’t have much in the way of firearms but what they do have is usually pretty good. I’ve heard nice things about the Miroku 94’s.

        My dad also has a Remington 742 in 30-06. It will probably end up with a sibling because semi-autos (and pistols) are highly restricted here.


        February 12, 2018 at 8:43 AM

    • I just purchased a S&W model 43c 22LR 8-shot revolver new for $600. Kind of expensive but couldn’t find one used. Lighter at 11.5 oz but $200 more than the Ruger LCR 22LR at 14.9 oz.

      No Where Man

      February 11, 2018 at 6:20 AM

  19. Ok, so I had to do the math. The chances of hitting a deer next year are 0.5917% and the cost being $3888 per incident on average, so each year your are spending $23.01 in your car insurance annually just for deer.

    Deer are truly a menace.


    February 9, 2018 at 11:18 PM

  20. Don’t drive like an idiot and a deer won’t kill you. This is like with the motorcycle stats where they ignore that all the fatalities are literally drunk and moderately retarded 22 year olds. Driving a motorcycle as a non-retard is not actually all that dangerous.

    The moose is the most dangerous animal in North America. A moose in season will charge at you and deliberately kill you. Even if you’re not doing anything stupid and incompetently.

    This is also even more true of polar bears, but I think that’s super rare. The polar bears will eat you because unlike grisly bears they have about zero fear of humans.


    February 10, 2018 at 1:50 AM

  21. Drama on the northern Israeli border. An Israeli Jet shot down for the first time in like a billion years.

    There isn’t going to be an escalation though. Iran, Hezbollah and Syria can’t afford a war with Israel right now. The Arabs/Muslims in general have learned that all out war with Israel is a losing proposition and prefer to go with terrorism and small scale stuff.

    Right now, the facts are unclear but what appears to have happened is that Iran sent a drone into northern Israel, probably just to troll. Israel responded by bombing the trailer inside Syria that the drone had been launched from. Everything should have ended right there but the Syrian/Iranian anti aircraft response was so fierce that they actually managed to take down an Israeli jet. Israel felt like the propaganda loss of having a jet shot down was so severe that they felt the need to response with a 2nd, much more intense and much more widespread strike.

    My guess is that Iran and Syria stop here. They can say that they successfully infiltrated Israeli air space and shot down an F-16. They may have lost in physical terms but they clearly won in moral terms.

    If Israel had any self confidence or self respect, they’d do a much more serious retaliatory raid. But since Israeli’s are cowards they will just declare victory and sulk, like they always do.

    Otis the Sweaty

    February 10, 2018 at 8:41 AM

    • What’s to bomb in Syria? The “Syrians” are doing a good job of destroying the country themselves.


      February 10, 2018 at 6:42 PM

    • News-reporters and news-editors are so disgustingly incompetent now that I really couldn’t figure out from the stories linked via Drudge and Breitbart whether Israel had done further strikes after the F-16 was shot down or whether it was shot down after all of the strikes were done.
      In any case, Israel has been humiliated. Especially so if it isn’t clear to the average news-reader whether or not there was retaliation after the F-16 was shot down. And even if there was, it’s just as you say — utter humiliation.
      I was 7 in 1973, the last war Israel won — and America lost Vietnam in 1975, after having fought and won the most righteous and justified war in the history of mankind there from 1965-1973. (That’s right, Gothamette, the Vietnam War was the most righteous and justified war in the history of mankind.) So, ever since I was 7 my two favorite countries, the ones with which I have always “identified” (yes, suck me alt-righters, Israel as well the US is my country), have been humiliated non-stop.
      I want Israel to destroy Syria with tungsten rods dropped from space. I want Israel to slaughter 2 million Syrians now. That’s about the right price for an F-16.
      And I want NK and Iran obliterated and Cuba and Venezuela conquered. I want the USA military to obliterate everything in Mexico that looks like it’s even possibly drug-gang-dominated, not just with bombs and rockets but with hundreds of artillery shells.
      And so forth. I’m tired of losing, losing, losing.


      February 10, 2018 at 6:47 PM

      • Right, news editors are nincompoops, esp.about military matters – but so what else is new? I wouldn’t get too upset about it.

        Stop with the stuff about Israel being humiliated, OK? This is a serious situation, and we don’t want to lurch into war until the day comes that Israel can wipe out Iran in the first week without suffering too much damage.

        What bothers me about this whole thing is that the drone either came from, or crossed, Jordanian air space before it entered Israel.

        ” (That’s right, Gothamette, the Vietnam War was the most righteous and justified war in the history of mankind.) ”

        No it wasn’t. It was a huge mistake.


        February 11, 2018 at 5:22 PM

      • You are very bloodthirsty when you have these fits.


        February 11, 2018 at 10:03 PM

  22. In certain states, feral pigs are a huge problem. I can’t believe that with enough money and the will to do it, we couldn’t wipe out this scourge.

    America is just a lazy, greedy country. I’m very down on it now.


    February 10, 2018 at 10:41 AM

  23. The government should ban deer. What are those lazy slobs doing to protect us from this tic infested furry menace?

    Paul Ryan's Sickly Old Lap Dog

    February 10, 2018 at 1:32 PM

  24. You can’t even eat venison anymore because there is an epidemic of mad deer disease going around.

    Paul Ryan's Sickly Old Lap Dog

    February 10, 2018 at 1:33 PM

  25. LOTS of deer here in the Upper Midwest. No natural predators (except maybe a few wolves way out in the boonies), and the population has exploded. The principal predator is the automobile. I know lots of people who have been involved in close encounters with the critters. One ran into the back end of my wife’s car, causing a few hundred dollars in damage. One must be very careful, especially when driving at night.

    BTW, the mayor of Nashville, Megan Barry, has admitted to having a a long-term affair with her bodyguard, a member of the Nashville police department. She took him on lots of taxpayer-funded excursions and often stayed over a few days at public expense. She has refused to resign (so far) and is under investigation by the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation for criminal wrongdoing. What hypocrisy! I hope she does hard time!

    Black Death

    February 10, 2018 at 2:00 PM

  26. OT, but:

    I hope Trump announces plans to build a massive homeless facility in Prospect Park, right next to the yuppie neighborhoods.

    All homeless, from everywhere in the country, would be welcome.

    Homeless would be provided with shelter, food, medical care, sanitation. What good liberal could be against that?

    It would have a nice economic warfare aspect: Destroy Deep Blue’s home values, destroy their “Brooklyn” brand, force them to find new neighborhoods and schools.


    February 10, 2018 at 6:02 PM

    • This is funny. Could drive me out of BK. I’m very close to it and love running there with all the nice SWPL. Without that park my basement hovel may become unbearable. Yep, I would relocate to SI maybe.


      February 11, 2018 at 10:07 PM

  27. I never hit a deer or anything else other than an armadillo early one morning in a rural area of central FL. It made a medium-sized dent in the plastic below my front bumper.

    E. Rekshun

    February 10, 2018 at 6:42 PM

    • Did he die?


      February 11, 2018 at 10:04 PM

  28. O/t — Now you know why America is in such a disarray, especially with proles!

    Couple sells everything for sailboat. It sinks on day 2

    “A Colorado couple said they sold everything they owned to buy a sailboat and set out for the open seas together.

    Within two days, their dream became a nautical nightmare.

    On their way to Key West, Tanner Broadwell and Nikki Walsh’s voyage abruptly ended in John’s Pass off Madeira Beach, Fla., when their 28-foot sailboat struck something underwater Wednesday night.

    “We hit something in about 8 or 9 feet of water and it stopped the boat completely,” Broadwell told TV station WFTS.

    Water flooded into the cabin, starting to sink their fantasy life. The couple grabbed social security cards, cash, IDs and their pug Remy as they called for rescue”

    What a terrible thing to do and die!


    February 10, 2018 at 10:12 PM

    • They were trying to self-actualize.

      E. Rekshun

      February 11, 2018 at 6:23 AM

      • From that article, their total net worth before the purchase of the boat was $5K, AND they had to come up with another $5K to make it work, most probably working at a sh!t job that pays diddly squat.


        February 11, 2018 at 10:13 AM

    • The article doesn’t mention whether they actually had any sailing expertise, or if they were just very unlucky.

      In England maybe they would have brought a narrow boat and toured England on the extensive canal network. It’s an appealing lifestyle, I can see the attraction myself, lots of interesting history from the time of canal mania and the industrial revolution. It doesn’t have the danger of the open seas, and lots of towns have marinas in which the boat can be moored and lived in. And no it is not prole.

      prolier than thou

      February 11, 2018 at 10:54 AM

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