Lion of the Blogosphere

Heinlein and the psychology of guns

This is also a quote from the Robert Heinlein novel Tunnel in the Sky. Rod Walker, the main character, is asking his older sister (a captain in the Corps of Amazons) advice for his upcoming survival test on an unknown planet:

“Uh, Sis, what sort of gun should I carry?”

“Huh? Why the deuce do you want a gun?”

“Why, for what I might run into, of course. Wild animals and things. Deacon Matson practically said that we could expect dangerous animals.”

“I doubt if he advised you to carry a gun. From his reputation, Dr. Matson is a practical man. See here, infant, on this tour you are the rabbit, trying to escape the fox. You aren’t the fox.”
“What do you mean?”

“Your only purpose is to stay alive. Not to be brave, not to fight, not to dominate the wilds- but just stay breathing. One time in a hundred a gun might save your life; the other ninety-nine it will just tempt you into folly. Oh, no doubt Matson would take one, and I would, too. But we are salted; we know when not to use one. But consider this. That test area is going to be crawling with trigger-happy young squirts. If one shoots you, it won’t matter that you have a gun, too- because you will be dead. But if you carry a gun, it makes you feel cocky; you won’t take proper cover. If you don’t have one, then you’ll know that you are the rabbit. You’ll be careful.”

I completely didn’t understand this when I read it as a teenager. It didn’t make any sense. Why would you not want to take a gun if you were going to be stranded for up to ten days on a strange planet with wild animals?

But now, I’m old enough to have the wisdom to understand this advice. For example, if George Zimmerman had not been carrying a gun, he probably wouldn’t have gone looking for the dangerous-looking ghetto black kid, he would have waited for the police, but the gun made him feel powerful, like bigshot who could take care of himself.

A lot of the pro-gun proles who say they need a gun for “protection” just don’t understand this psychology. Furthermore, I believe that owning an AR-15 contributed to the Florida kid going on a shooting rampage. Having the AR-15 made him feel powerful, and he caressed his gun and had fantasies about how he could use the power of the AR-15 to go to his old high school and get back at all the kids and teachers he hated. If he had not been able to obtain an AR-15 in the first place, he never would have had those dark fantasies.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

March 19, 2018 at EST pm

Posted in Books, Proles

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  1. yeah, gun fondlers…but when the next civil war comes it will not be fought with guns, but with bioweapons

    Active Pooter

    March 19, 2018 at EST pm

    • Calling NAMs “Bioweapons” is accurate, but racist!

      Panther of the Blogocube

      March 20, 2018 at EST pm

  2. Well, Zimmermann in fact had no problem taking care of himself with his weapon.

    ivvenalis

    March 20, 2018 at EST am

    • 1 He got himself beaten up. 2 He got himself into a world of legal trouble.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      March 20, 2018 at EST am

      • And he either fucked himself up mentally or was actually a deranged lunatic to begin with.

        Magnavox

        March 20, 2018 at EST pm

  3. Another, more positive take on guns:

    “For many of us, rifles are vital cords tying us to our younger selves, that time in our lives when we were all hope and promise, infatuated with the idea of what could be, where we would go and what we would do. We chose that first rifle to be a vital partner in our adventures, and soon enough it became a vehicle driving us toward our dreams. Just seeing it leaning in the corner could transport us to the far north with moose in the meadows and wolves howling under a full moon. Cleaning it could have us climbing toward a six-point bull bugling down the shining mountains. Zeroing it could send us crawling toward pronghorns on a golden plain so wide it curved at the edges. Shouldering it in our bedrooms, we clearly saw whitetails ghosting through snowy conifer woods, antlers flashing like picket fences. And one day we picked up that rifle, scratched and scarred, the blueing rubbed to silver on the floorplate, and realize it no longer was just a dream. It had become our dream maker.”

    Peter

    ironrailsironweights

    March 20, 2018 at EST am

  4. Sometimes violence comes to you, particularly if you’re a woman and the bad guys know you’re home alone. I bet there are more examples of that than there are of school shootings. E.g., http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/08/01/texas-woman-shoots-kills-home-intruder.html

    Dave Pinsen

    March 20, 2018 at EST am

    • Marty

      March 20, 2018 at EST pm

    • I agree when it comes to defending your home. These things happen all the time, and the mere presence of guns makes break-ins a pretty hazardous occupation.

      When it comes to personal strategy, I’d also make adjustments for your state’s laws. My current state has some robust castle laws and “stand your ground” laws, plus I live in a no-nonsense semi-rural county, so I can expect the law to give me some leeway if I happen to gun down an intruder in my home, even if not all the facts are in my favor. Now, if you were in a place like NY, you might be better off planning an escape route in the event of a break-in than a plan to defend your home.

      But even in castle law states it’s good to be aware of cases like this: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/feb/12/montana-man-sentenced-70-years-prison-death-german-teen

      But then again in the same state you have this:

      If I were in charge, we’d show more leeway to men who shoot actual burglars and less leeway to men who shoot the husband of the married woman they’re knowingly banging (as well as less leeway to the adulteress herself), but this is the world we live in.

      But Lion is largely correct when it comes to carrying a gun around on the streets. I once went to a class to get my concealed carry permit, but the class and my subsequent research into the laws in my state (even with “stand your ground”) led me to conclude it was a net liability to carry the gun, that its odds of getting me into a bad situation exceeded the odds of getting me out of one. Realistically, you need to draw the gun before you’re being attacked, and if you have the situational awareness to see you are about to be attacked, you probably should have gotten out of the situation much earlier. Zimmerman was lucky in that he came out on top despite apparently failing to draw the gun until after he began losing a hand-to-hand fight.

      Wency

      March 20, 2018 at EST pm

  5. As much as I like guns, it is hard not to agree with your conclusion.

    Oscar C.

    March 20, 2018 at EST am

  6. ResetEra:

    1. Trump’s firing of McCabe is one of the greatest crimes in human history. McCabe, at worst, violated a minor technicality.

    2. Trump’s tweets in the aftermath of the firing are because he is panicking because he knows that Mueller is closing in on him.

    3. Mueller will indeed bring Trump down shortly.

    4. Kaisich will be a strong 2020 contender for the GOP nomination.

    Otis the Sweaty

    March 20, 2018 at EST am

    • Man, these people are stupid.

      Trump did not fire McCabe. Sessions did, based on OPR and IG recommendations.

      map

      March 20, 2018 at EST am

    • Kasich! LOL.

      Vipltd

      March 20, 2018 at EST pm

  7. If Zimmerman hadnt been carrying a gun, Martin might have beaten him to death.

    Paul Rise

    March 20, 2018 at EST am

    • Martin just wanted to teach him a lesson not kill him. Spending life in prison for “murder” was a more likely result than getting killed. But you gun people feel like the gun gives you control of the situation, it’s an emotional argument that ignores statistics..

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      March 20, 2018 at EST am

      • But it’s good for everybody else when thugs don’t get away with beating people up.

        Greg Pandatshang

        March 20, 2018 at EST am

      • I think the message that all black youth got from the news about Martin is that all whites be racist against them, and thus they are justified to go around beating up white people.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        March 20, 2018 at EST am

      • Lion, this empirically false.

        The argument made against concealed carry was exactly what you brought up. There would be conflict escalation and gun fights. Nothing like that happened, with gun carriers being more law-abiding than the general population.

        Of course, if we completely disarm law enforcement and the military than you may have something there.

        map

        March 20, 2018 at EST am

      • In the UK, most police are unarmed. As well as the police in the Republic of Ireland, Norway, Iceland, and New Zealand.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        March 20, 2018 at EST am

      • Nothing like that happened, with gun carriers being more law-abiding than the general population.

        Is that actually as weak as the effect is? Less violent than the average person in the most violent developed country on earth?

        Magnavox

        March 20, 2018 at EST pm

      • Lion, like most high IQ people, you know almost nothing about blacks or their psychology. You should go back and read some Auster, someone you can respect since he was Jewish.

        Mel belli

        March 20, 2018 at EST pm

      • Lion, none of those countries were dumb enough to import boatloads of africans the way we did. Unarmed cops is not an option when you have a bunch of africans running around.

        driveallnight

        March 20, 2018 at EST pm

      • “But you gun people feel like the gun gives you control of the situation”

        Liberals imagine themselves experts on how other people feel. But studies show that liberals are actually the worst judge of how others think and feel. You may not be a liberal but you have the same problem on some issues including this one. Gun grabbers have this idea of gun owners as reckless cowboys strutting around looking for a fight. You couldn’t be more wrong.

        Most gun owners take firearms very seriously and are very conscientious about gun safety. We’re also acutely aware that firearms up the stakes. As a result, we’re much more likely to avoid confrontation and walk away from fights. I’ve walked away from confrontations that I otherwise would not have simply because I was packing. I can’t risk getting in a tussle and having my gun get loose. The last thing I want is to be rolling around on the ground fighting over a gun.

        Obviously, Z-man couldn’t have shot Martin if he hadn’t been armed. Otherwise, I don’t think he behaved differently. The msm claimed he stalked Martin but it was the opposite. He only got out because he thought Martin was already gone. Similarly, I don’t think the Florida kid was filled with revenge fantasies because he had an AR15. He would have had those fantasies anyway. People misunderstand the motive behind school shootings. School shooters are almost always weird kids with mental problems. But not so weird they don’t realize it. They lash out because they can no longer bear the humiliation and loneliness. People at the end of their ropes tend to react in one of two ways, depression and suicide or anger and homicide. Perhaps one day they’ll come up with a cheap, effective blood test or brain scan for these kinds of things.

        PS: I’d happily increase the age of gun ownership to 25 as long as the voting and drinking ages were similarly raised.

        destructure

        March 20, 2018 at EST pm

      • “most violent developed country on earth” is a euphemism for “most Africans living in a developed country on earth”.

        Greg Pandatshang

        March 20, 2018 at EST pm

      • I think the message that all black youth got from the news about Martin is that all whites be racist against them

        Also nice white ladies got the same message, which is also asinine. So, standing-your-ground is a social good, while enraging NAM youth with stories about white (Hispanic) privilege is a social bad. The question is whether it’s on balance a good thing to heighten the contradictions. I say yes, damn the torpedoes; time is not on our side. I was already pretty woke pre-Trayvon, but for a lot of younger people (and not just retarded monsters like Dylann Roof), the Martin-Zimmerman case was a real turning point, showing them that the media is not neutral or on their side, galvanizing them for a rightward shift.

        Greg Pandatshang

        March 20, 2018 at EST pm

      • > They lash out because they can no longer bear the humiliation and loneliness.

        This is actually a false stereotype. The Columbine shooters were reasonably popular and consistently bullied loser kids.

        bobbybobbob

        March 20, 2018 at EST pm

      • “most violent developed country on earth” is a euphemism for “most Africans living in a developed country on earth”.

        White americans are also more violent than white europeans. If you discount white southerners then it gets pretty close. I’m all for getting rid of blacks and white southerners but they’re here for the time being.

        Magnavox

        March 20, 2018 at EST pm

      • Martin thought Zimmerman was checking him out for a gay hookup. Martin would have beaten to death. I suspect he would have been acquitted or convicted on a much lesser charge. I have mixed feelings about Zimmerman’s decisions that night, but don’t have any problem that when the thug attacked him and was beating his head on concrete that Zimmerman put him down.

        Paul Rise

        March 20, 2018 at EST pm

  8. While that mindset is a possibility when carrying, I find it more common for people to become far more reserved. There will always be some that succumb to bravado, but it’s more likely that a person will keep their mouth shut when armed in a situation they may otherwise say something. For the simple reason that any physical escalation then has the potential to become much worse very quickly. Most people know this and avoid it like the plague.

    There is always, of course, “that guy”.

    GSP

    March 20, 2018 at EST am

  9. “For example, if George Zimmerman had not been carrying a gun, he probably wouldn’t have gone looking for the dangerous-looking ghetto black kid, he would have waited for the police, but the gun made him feel powerful, like bigshot who could take care of himself.”

    This is probably true. The problem is, it concedes public space to the uncivilized. It would always be easier to hunker down behind locked doors and avoid trouble, avoid danger, and avoid the Saint Trayvons of the world. That means the Saint Travons of the world control the world, though (at least, the world outside of your locked door).

    Civilization need defending. Its safer to not defend it. You also lose it by not doing so.

    anon

    anon

    March 20, 2018 at EST am

    • Did Zimmerman really make any headway in “defending civilization”? I don’t think so. He just advanced the cause of the BLM/SJW crazies.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      March 20, 2018 at EST am

      • I bet he did. I bet a lot of young thugs had a moment of panic imagining being in Trayvon’s shoes, and this may weigh in their decisions going forward. It was clear from the start that Trayvon had attacked Zimmerman. A clear element of the protest was: Wtf man, you’re just supposed to take a beatdown/mugging, no armed retaliation allowed.

        bobbybobbob

        March 20, 2018 at EST am

      • Sure. For one thing, you can bet that St. Trayvon would have committed at least a dozen violent felonies before age 25, leaving a path of damaged and ruined lives in his wake.

        For another, if people like ZImmerman didn’t fight back, you can bet that there would be a lot more thugs like St. Trayvon wandering around communities intimidating people safe in the knowledge that nobody will stand up to them.

        fortaleza84

        March 20, 2018 at EST am

      • The phrase you can bet doesn’t mean anything because the rationality of a wager depends on the odds given. Was it ever even established by credible sources that Trayvon Martin had ever committed any notable crimes before his encounter with Zimmerman? And no conservativetreehouse doesn’t count

        Magnavox

        March 20, 2018 at EST pm

      • I think the Zimmerman shooting and braindead Hillary’s decision to campaign with their mothers cost her Florida in 2016.

        Paul Rise

        March 20, 2018 at EST pm

      • “Was it ever even established by credible sources that Trayvon Martin had ever committed any notable crimes before his encounter with Zimmerman? ”

        I have no idea but it’s obvious to any reasonable person that St. Trayvon was a thug.

        fortaleza84

        March 20, 2018 at EST pm

  10. It’s a reasonable-sounding argument, but one can look at homicide rates immediately before and after a jurisdiction passes “shall issue” concealed carry laws, and there’s not much change. Same thing when gun laws are tightened up.

    It seems that “temptation to folly” is a pretty minuscule factor in the overall problem of gun homicide.

    fortaleza84

    March 20, 2018 at EST am

  11. Heinlein does get one thinking about things doesn’t he.
    If you have not read it yet, fit Starship Troopers into your reading schedule.
    Try to avoid the Verhoeven movie and the several follow ups until after.

    CK

    March 20, 2018 at EST am

  12. There is the folly of owning a firearm
    There is the folly of left-wing activism in Education and the Welfare State
    There is the folly of beaming sex/perversion into everyone/everywhere by MSM in search of cash
    There is the folly of tying the survival shoe strings of America to another countries survival
    There is the folly of Open Borders and unrestricted Immigration
    Each of these can be statistically tied to needless innocents’ deaths and have not provided
    personal protection of the average citizen, quite the contrary…..

    Buroaker

    March 20, 2018 at EST am

    • I’m all in favor of restricting immmigration, holding low-class blacks to the same standards as whites, not having the MSM beaming oversexualized content.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      March 20, 2018 at EST am

  13. 1:30 of this clip illustrates Lion’s point: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVHYt7v9T1g

    Lion: do a review of this movie.

    Otis the Sweaty

    March 20, 2018 at EST am

    • Stop your car for the gunmen…and then draw your gun? As much as I like the movie, a lot of it makes little sense.

      raoulduke2767

      March 20, 2018 at EST pm

  14. But nothing from the Heinlein excerpt indicates that the guy was not allowed to carry a gun. He asked his sister for advice on a legitimate course of action.

    Besides, the reasoning is entirely specious. It’s an argument for complete and total disarmament under the absurd idea that trouble will never find you. Sure, flash mobs and home invasions will just disappear if nobody has guns.

    As for Cruz, he would have been just as effective with a pistol as he would have with an AR…assuming he even did anything.

    map

    March 20, 2018 at EST am

  15. O/T, but responding to a previous thread: Welp, I had no idea that there were no Wal-marts in NYC. It is nearly impossible for me to conceive that there is anyone who has never been to Wal-mart, but there you go.

    S.J., Esquire

    March 20, 2018 at EST pm

    • it makes sense sorta. the real estate is so expensive it does not make sense to open one there

      grey enlightenment

      March 20, 2018 at EST pm

    • They were going to build one on staten island but islanders were up in arms over it. There were even anti-walmart billboards near the ferry. I don’t understand why, because:

      we have two targets
      one pergament (used to be 2)
      three home depots
      kohls
      tj maxx
      burlington coat factory
      dick’s sporting goods
      men’s warehouse
      DSW
      trader joe’s
      LA fitness
      costco
      a zillion chain restaurants (applebees etc)

      but somehow… walmart is not ok?

      there are plenty of places it could be built. near where the DMV used to be would be good.

      toomanymice

      March 20, 2018 at EST pm

  16. Lion’s gunaphobia is hilarious. He’s doing that sjw thing where you virtue signal to peers by talking about how guns are just sooooo scary!

    Cut the sissification routine, dude. You’ll feel better about yourself. And you’ll also be more attractive to women (non-sjw women, anyway).

    driveallnight

    March 20, 2018 at EST pm

    • Anyway, Lion’s explanation is just a plausible hypothesis. Hypotheses must yield to observable reality if there is a contradiction.

      The reality is that states which liberalize gun carrying laws do not see increase in gun violence. States which ban carrying guns don’t see drops in gun violence.

      That’s empirical observable reality, and it shows that Lion’s hypothesis just as wrong as global warming models which fail to make interesting and accurate predictions.

      fortaleza84

      March 20, 2018 at EST pm

  17. I’ve been carrying concealed for a couple of years now. More than anything, it makes me cautious. And as their are about 13 million people with permits in the U.S., one shouldn’t draw any conclusions by the actions of ONE of them.

    raoulduke2767

    March 20, 2018 at EST pm

  18. Since the book was published in 1955, a time when the possession and carry of firearms was common and a complete non-issue politically, it has nothing to do with today’s “psychology of guns.” Your linkage of the two is anachronistic. The brother-sister dialogue on the point doesn’t make any sense either, since there was no history on Earth of guns making people “overconfident.” If anything the history was the opposite, the closest historical situation to that in the book being the West Texas settlers confronting the Comanche. Just yesterday, on radio. I heard a black guy talking about some white guy who had a “hood pass.” This refers to someone who’s built up sufficient good will among blacks that he’s exempted from the ritual beatdown when found on the wrong block. This term wouldn’t even exist if blacks knew whites typically carried guns.

    Commercial-Residential

    March 20, 2018 at EST pm

  19. FWIW, there are a lot of self-styled “operators” on youtube who fall into the category of being overconfident. Think double-stacked Glock, with a red-dot sight, in an appendix-carry rig, and three spare mags and you get the picture.

    raoulduke2767

    March 20, 2018 at EST pm

  20. Why is someone a “nut” for admiring or owning firearms? A guy who owns 10,000 baseball cards is never referred to in the same disparaging manner. Ditto Barbie or Beanie Baby collectors. But if you own 10 guns? NUT!

    Brendan

    March 20, 2018 at EST pm

    • You can’t kill anyone with 10,000 baseball cards, and the baseball card nerds ton’t have any delusions of grandeur about how they are keeping America free or stuff like that.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      March 20, 2018 at EST pm

      • Both are inanimate objects. The fact that one is lethal and the other is not is wholly irrelevant. A grown man who owns 500 “My Little Pony” figurines is definitely more nutty than me owning a Smith & Wesson for personal protection or recreational shooting.

        Brendan

        March 20, 2018 at EST pm

  21. Nice that you singled out that wonderfully provocative passage from “Tunnel in the Sky” about being “a rabbit” and not carrying a gun. Whether the advice is wise or foolish, I remember being astonished by it; it’s the one thing in the book that has stuck with me for more than 60 years.

    Simon

    March 20, 2018 at EST pm

  22. I find myself in a weird position where I am Canadian, I looove guns, and wish I could carry one, yet actually feel zero sense that I NEED one.

    S.J., Esquire

    March 20, 2018 at EST pm

  23. This has no logical basis. You could just as easily say, “Carrying a gun causes you to be very careful because the stakes are much higher”. So we must look to the empirical data. Are concealed carry license holders more likely to get into confrontations? The data says exactly the opposite.

    zz

    March 20, 2018 at EST pm

  24. It is impossible to draw meaningful conclusions about defense gun uses because statistics are almost entirely lacking. According to the FBI, there are about 250 justifiable defensive shootings in the US each year, excluding those involving law enforcement. And that’s *all* we know. There are no statistics on the average number of rounds fired, the number of criminals hit and their fates, the locations of the shootings (houses, businesses, on the street, etc.), any relationships between the shooters and the criminals, or the types of firearms used. No agency keeps these numbers.
    Also missing, though this may be unavoidable, is the number of defensive gun uses that do not involve shots being fired, in other words instances where the mere display of a gun causes the criminal to skedaddle. It’s entirely possible that may of these aren’t reported to the police at all.

    Peter

    ironrailsironweights

    March 20, 2018 at EST pm

    • I’m a data point on that. Once in downtown SF, a limo driver I’d somehow pissed off got out of his car and began walking menacingly toward me. When he was about 30 feet away I put my hand inside my coat like I was wearing a shoulder holster. He got back in the car and drove off.

      Marty

      March 20, 2018 at EST pm

  25. Disagree lion. The media made it seem like, based on an incomplete auto recording, that Zimmerman instigated it and was the aggressor, but only the jury had the full audio, and they felt is was evidence to acquit him. Unless you have info the media doesn’t , then you don’t know what happened.

    grey enlightenment

    March 20, 2018 at EST pm

    • I never said that Zimmerman started it. He has a right to walk around his own apartment complex, and I’ve previously explained many times how most likely Martin attacked Zimmeran because Martin was pissed that Zimmerman looked at him like someone who doesn’t belong in the apartment complex.

      But, Zimmerman would have saved himself from getting beaten up and a world of legal trouble if he had not gone looking for Martin. Plus, if Martin had really intended to kill Zimmerman, then Zimmerman is lucky he didn’t immediately get knocked unconscious from having Martin slam his head against the ground.

      The BEST way to avoid getting killed in a fight to the death is not to get into a fight to the death in the first place, and if that means being cowardly then so be it.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      March 20, 2018 at EST pm

      • Or George could have just fought back and not let some scrawny kid overpower him. Biological note: there are no such things as Negro Muscles that are more powerful than ordinary muscle tissue.

        Peter

        ironrailsironweights

        March 20, 2018 at EST pm

      • “The BEST way to avoid getting killed in a fight to the death is not to get into a fight to the death in the first place, and if that means being cowardly then so be it.”

        You’re being penny wise and pound foolish, even though I do agree with you that Zimmerman should not have followed Trayvon Martin. If an entire nation of people decide that cowardice is always preferable to individuals suffering negative consequences, that nation will quickly be conquered. This is what’s playing out in Europe and the US as we speak.

        As far as gun control is concerned, it’s just another way to turn ordinary white people into criminals. “Oh, I see you have a spent case under the seat of your car, Mr. Johnson. You’re under arrest.” The United States is de-policing it’s non-white communities; they get away with vastly more criminal activity than you or most of your readers can imagine. The case of Nikolas Cruz should serve as an example, as law enforcement was contacted dozens of times about his behavior and did nothing. In the Deep South, black criminals are essentially free to do whatever they want, because they know the good-for-nothing cops probably aren’t going to do anything more than fill out a report and forget about it. If they do get caught, they’ll be out on the street again in no time. Trust me, in the anarchy that is America’s future, violent criminals will have plenty of guns to go around.

        Heinlein was a fool: If I were in that situation, I would want a gun.

        Stealth

        March 21, 2018 at EST am

  26. Lion is a big government liberal who seems like he is a conservative sometimes because he is the kind of big government liberal they had before World War II. Like conventional contemporary liberals he has contempt for the masses and envy of the rich and believes that intellectual experts should control our society to keep both the rich and the poor in check, while like those 1920s liberals he thinks the experts should act to limit the influence and numbers of blacks and other inferiors via eugenics and birth control.

    Gozo

    March 20, 2018 at EST pm

  27. Lion you are myopic. You think year to year. what you should be doing is thinking century to century.

    The first step of fascism is to disarm its citizens. You have a vague investment in judaism; look what happened in nazi germany.

    Let your despised proles get disarmed and watch what happens. The SJWs will create the worst nightmare you can imagine, but you won’t be living it; your nieces, nephews, grand nieces and nephews will. As I have said before, a handful of crazy and stupid people occasionally inflicting casualties is a ‘small’ price to pay compared to what an unfettered progressive regime would deliver.

    The harm they’ve enacted on the moral fabric is bad enough. Imagine if they could get legal and pragmatic hands on us.

    The takeaway from this passage is not ‘guns are bad.’ It’s ‘don’t be an idiot.’

    toomanymice

    March 20, 2018 at EST pm

  28. Let’s get the causes in proper order. If he had never been in high school he wouldn’t have had those dark fantasies.

    Don’t ban guns, ban high schools! Then there will be no more high school shootings.

    Artifact

    March 21, 2018 at EST am

    • High school is a valuable for society. What do guns do that’s so great?

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      March 21, 2018 at EST am

      • I stopped visiting your base on a regular base a few months ago, either you got dumber or I got waay smarter. I can’t believe that you have high (120+) VIQ that isn’t artifically high due to a certain type of schooling. Something’s seriously wrong with you or you’re trying to market to a wider and far dumber audience.

        BAP

        March 21, 2018 at EST pm

      • Guns are the great equalizer, in fact the Colt made everyone equal.

        Without weapons the world would be ruled by big violent men.

        A 12 year old child versus a 6’6″ guy in a fight to the death would have 0% chance of winning.

        If you gave them both swords, the 12 years old kid might have a 1% chance of winning.

        If you gave them both handguns, the 12 year old kid might have a 60% chance of winning

        Weapons give the weaker man a chance against a bigger stronger man. And in case of firearms the smaller man has an advantage due to quicker, and being a smaller target.

        If Oberyn fought the mountain bare handed he would be screwed, he wouldn’t be able to hurt the mountain at all with his hands, but having a weapon (spear/sword/axe) allowed him to equalize the odds

        Ban guns, and you basically let every big mean violent thug know that they can rape, rob, assault woman and the elderly without worrying about getting blown away.

        This is the reason why most hbd’ers support gun ownership, not because dumb rednecks but because many realize that middle class whites who sit in cubicles all day won’t be able to avoid a confrontation with a violent black thug

        San Francisco has a massive black on asian immigrant crime problem, that would easily be solved by getting these asian immigrants to pack heat.

        Hbd investor

        March 21, 2018 at EST pm

  29. Complete stupidity, rabbits have massive ears, large eyes that give 360 degree vision as well as powerful legs and hearts giving them massive bursts of speed.

    Humans don’t, any predator can easily hunt down a human.

    The biological facts are humans simply weren’t built like rabbits to avoid trouble. Humans can out marathon any animal due to lack of fur in the heat, but in a sprint we lose.

    Our ancestors survived by standing their ground and fighting back vs saber toothed tigers, bears, dire wolves

    As for surviving a urban environment, you simply can’t avoid trouble because you aren’t a rabbit, a armed criminal can pop up anywhere and rape and Rob you.

    Having a weapon gives you confidence, many George Zimmermans have been beaten to death by random thugs because they projected fear or submissive signals to black thugs.

    No coincidence but numerous chinese exchange students have been robbed and killed because they gave off fear, and no none of them asker for it or escalated situations because of a gun

    Hbd investor

    March 21, 2018 at EST pm

  30. FWIW, I think a 5-shot snub-nosed revolver strikes a pretty good balance between being enough to perhaps save my life, but not so much that it makes me feel invincible. That goes for cops, too. If the ones chasing Diallo had been armed with revolvers instead of high-capacity autos, maybe they would have been a little more cautious in their actions.

    raoulduke2767

    March 21, 2018 at EST pm

  31. Guns are our national curse, and our most famous product. They are to our society what vodka is to Russia.

    Mister Triple 800

    March 23, 2018 at EST am


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