Lion of the Blogosphere

Yes! Lab-grown pork is kosher

And you can even eat it with cheese!

https://www.jta.org/2018/03/22/news-opinion/rabbi-says-meat-genetically-cloned-pig-eaten-jews-including-milk

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

March 22, 2018 at 1:41 PM

Posted in Religion, Uncategorized

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  1. Meh, it’s Cherlow, his opinion doesn’t count.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuval_Cherlow

    IHTG

    March 22, 2018 at 2:02 PM

  2. We are all waiting for Yakov to definitively rule on this.

    Gozo

    March 22, 2018 at 2:04 PM

  3. That rabbi must be reading my comments.

    toomanymice

    March 22, 2018 at 2:09 PM

  4. The Rabbi in question has many unusual and questionable opinions views, so I would reserve the euphoria for now.

    The Jews who are enamored by shiksas and obsessed with pork are pretty revolting traitors, you know.

    Yakov

    March 22, 2018 at 2:35 PM

    • Wait! I hadn’t known this when I commented:

      ‘In 2012, Cherlow called on the State of Israel to recognise non-Orthodox streams of Judaism and Reform conversions. In response, Tzohar distanced itself from his remarks.[6] Yizhar Hess of the Masorti Movement in Israel has suggested that Cherlow does not represent the mainstream of Zionist Orthodoxy in Israel, and Rabbi Yehoshua Shapira described Cherlow as a “neo-Reform rabbi in the Orthodox sector.”[6]’

      The rabbi is not kosher! Down with him and with Lion for quoting fake rabbis!

      Yakov

      March 22, 2018 at 4:06 PM

    • And spamming fake news!

      Yakov

      March 22, 2018 at 4:10 PM

    • OT yakov have you read about the guy who has kayaked across the atlantic three times?

      toomanymice

      March 22, 2018 at 5:32 PM

      • Nope. I like fitness not madness. He is an eccentric.

        Yakov

        March 22, 2018 at 10:27 PM

  5. So how ’bout fake human flesh?

    gothamette

    March 22, 2018 at 2:39 PM

    • I wouldn’t want to eat that. See Farnham’s Freehold.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      March 22, 2018 at 4:19 PM

    • There is no verse prohibiting real human flesh, so why is it forbidden? Analyse this!

      Yakov

      March 22, 2018 at 4:21 PM

      • Yes there is. Humans don’t have cloven hooves and chew the cud.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        March 22, 2018 at 4:31 PM

      • Mate, don’t make me laugh now. Birds and fish don’t chew the cud and don’t have split hooves. Please…. try to give a better reason.

        Yakov

        March 22, 2018 at 4:34 PM

    • Human flesh and human breastmilk are already considered pareve.

      Remember even small particles of a substance can render a food non kosher or non pareve. For instance, there are particles of insects and field mice in grain (albeit miniscule amounts). What if saliva or a little blood gets in the food whike cooking. etc. All cooks cut themselves at some point.

      toomanymice

      March 22, 2018 at 4:22 PM

      • The answer is: no one knows.

        http://www.jewishpress.com/judaism/parsha/is-a-human-kosher/2013/04/04/

        Imagine trying to reason your way out of this. Nuts!

        gothamette

        March 22, 2018 at 9:33 PM

      • The question was as to the reason for its prohibition. You can’t just ban human flesh without a reason. This is unrelated to the laws regarding the mixing of forbidden and permitted food.

        Yakov

        March 22, 2018 at 10:12 PM

      • ” You can’t just ban human flesh without a reason. ”

        Honestly, this is what repulses many people about Judaism. It repulses me. The insane obsession with picayune legalism pretending to be a moral code. It’s absolute bullshit.

        Judaism sucks.

        gothamette

        March 23, 2018 at 9:47 AM

      • Cat, I was just about to praise you, but you had to ruin it. Listen, Judaism, unlike whatever believes you subscribe to, puts everything on the table for an open discussion without getting into a holier than though attitude. This is a sign of the only true religion.

        Good link. Spiders made a good comment. Lion quoted the Rambam’s rational, which I don’t understand. He meant it humorously, but still gets credit.

        As a champion of Judaism with a common sense approach here is what I say. Killing a human being is forbidden, so there cannot be a kosher slaughter of a human. Eating anything not properly slaughtered is forbidden. So there is no way to eat human flesh within the parameters of the Law. Also, it’s completely against the spirit of our nation. Can you imagine Abraham or Moses eating it? In a life and death situation I think it’s allowed like all other non-kosher meat.

        Cat, you are a big disappointment.

        Yakov

        March 23, 2018 at 11:10 AM

      • “Killing a human being is forbidden, so there cannot be a kosher slaughter of a human. Eating anything not properly slaughtered is forbidden. So there is no way to eat human flesh within the parameters of the Law. Also, it’s completely against the spirit of our nation. ”

        Yakov – you DON’T disappoint me, you came through.

        LOL, I provoked you into giving the real answer.

        At the end of the day, you don’t have to go into a bunch of intellectual argle-bargle about whether human flesh can be ever considered kosher.

        It’s against the spirit of our nation.

        HAHAHAH.

        “Judaism, unlike whatever believes you subscribe to, puts everything on the table for an open discussion without getting into a holier than though attitude.”

        But it’s against the spirit of our nation.

        A human being is by definition not prey (unless he is actively harming you. All the rest is commentary.

        Thank you, Yakov!

        gothamette

        March 23, 2018 at 1:07 PM

      • Cat?

        Curle

        March 23, 2018 at 1:21 PM

      • Another thing Yakov – about this no-holds barred, intellectual freedom Judaism in your dreams, there is a whole host of laws in Judaism that are simply God-given, and you don’t ask questions about them. I forget the technical Hebrew name but many laws are simply not to be questioned. One of those laws is the law of shatnez:

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shatnez

        So mixing wool and linen is something that is not to be questioned, but the rightness or wrongness of eating human flesh is so complicated that there have been arguments and authoritative rulings on it?

        http://daatemet.org.il/en/question/the-eating-of-human-flesh-in-halacha/

        “The religious arbiters were divided on the matter of human flesh. According to Maimonides (Laws of Forbidden Foods 2:3) one is prohibited by the Torah from eating it, while according to Nachmanides (on Leviticus 11:3) one is permitted.”

        gothamette

        March 23, 2018 at 1:59 PM

      • ‘A human being is by definition not prey (unless he is actively harming you. All the rest is commentary.

        Thank you, Yakov!’

        What and whose definition? Africans and American Indians prior to the European conquest and colonization would have strongly disagreed. In fact, one of the great achievements of Judaism and the derivative religions is the abolishment of human sacrifices and cannibalism.

        Yakov

        March 23, 2018 at 3:27 PM

      • “What and whose definition?”

        According to Judaism.

        gothamette

        March 23, 2018 at 4:18 PM

  6. In the eternal conflict between science and religion, this is a win for both sides.

    Mike Street Station

    March 22, 2018 at 2:54 PM

    • If labs can replicate good meat cheaply I’m all for it. One thing I find very frustrating is one chicken will not taste like the next, or one pack of steaks will not taste like the next. There are so many variables in producing meat from what the animal is fed and how it is housed, how it is slaughtered, how it is packaged, transported etc that you get uneven quality once its hits the shelf.

      toomanymice

      March 22, 2018 at 4:27 PM

      • Maybe in the future, every supermarket will have it’s own flesh-growing-lab, so the meat you buy will be be like it was slaughtered that very day! Super fresh! And local too!

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        March 22, 2018 at 4:34 PM

      • One Perdue chicken tastes like the rest. They are in effect grown under lab conditions. We might as well eat lab grown meat. It’s simply the next step in factory farming, and far more humane.

        The next step after human surrogacy will be lab grown humans, and if you think I am joking, I’m not. We can create a group of “wombs”, female bodies that have been lobotomized, and work from there. We could start with pig wombs. Wouldn’t most of the guys here (destructure & Mike SS as exceptions) just love that?

        gothamette

        March 23, 2018 at 9:49 AM

  7. If there comes a time when all food is kosher, will there still be people who identify as jews?

    Half Canadian

    March 22, 2018 at 3:54 PM

    • “If there comes a time when all food is kosher, will there still be people who identify as jews?”

      Yes, and they will have beards and hats and dress in black and white clothing.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      March 22, 2018 at 4:28 PM

      • Wrong answer as usual. When all the food becomes kosher, all the people will become Jews. Jews are eternal. This is very simple.

        Yakov

        March 22, 2018 at 4:37 PM

      • Much of Kosher fare is unappetizing to gentiles, with the exception of baked goods, which are now being SWPLfied, where they make it on the shelves of Whole Foods.

        JS

        March 22, 2018 at 5:49 PM

      • JS, mate, once the animal is properly slaughtered, you can make any French dish out of it. What’s kosher fair? I certainly don’t eat any of it. Only nebachdike Jews like Lion get hung up on gefilte fish being somehow horrible, when it really depends on how you prepare it and is just another dish adapted from the Russians.

        Yakov

        March 22, 2018 at 10:05 PM

  8. I understand tradition. I’m a traditionalist, after all. And 3,000 years ago, some of the dietary good ideas that became codified into laws made a lot of sense, pre-refrigeration. But not now. I think we’re also given a mind to develop new ideas. Even if only on occasion. Plus I looove BBQ, and I’d like it if my Jewish friends could join me (TBH most do already, but they are Reformed or Conservative, not Orthodox)

    But to be on point, I don’t see how it’s not still pork.

    (fwiw I explained the shabbat laws that the Haredi follow wrt elevators, hot plates, etc. and she thought that they were cheating. Reminding me I suppose that Catholicism is also an Orthodox religion 😉

    Jack Cade

    March 22, 2018 at 4:49 PM

    • Orthodox Jews would say that the dietary laws have nothing to do with food safety, it’s about obeying God’s commandments.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      March 22, 2018 at 4:51 PM

      • What’s unsafe about eating pork or camel or a cat? This is very primitive thinking. These are Divine commandments, obviously.

        Yakov

        March 22, 2018 at 4:54 PM

  9. This Rabi is a leader of a sub group within the national orthodox, a group which by itself is the least strict among the orthodox groups. In his explanation he cite the fact that some Rabbi allow to eat gelatin which is produced from pork because it loose it’s “food shape” and has no taste therefore it is not considered as food. He thinks the same principle applies to the pork meat cells from which the artificial meet is generated.

    It is important to note that the strict orthodox don’t eat gelatin when produced from non kosher animal and therefore they will not accept this explanation, although there might be other reasons to make it kosher. It is also important to note that this Rabi is feather weight and his decisions will be accepted by his followers but not by the majority of the orthodox world. So we will still have to wait and see.

    Hashed

    March 22, 2018 at 5:04 PM

  10. OT: There’s a Trump/Jersey Shore connection. It seems like Don Jr. is an unfortunate victim of guido drift and his mistress used to get schlonged by Pauly D.

    http://hollywoodlife.com/2018/03/20/pauly-d-aubrey-oday-donald-trump-jr-alleged-affair-reaction/

    Horace Pinker

    March 22, 2018 at 5:47 PM

    • Gross if he cheated on his wife for that.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      March 22, 2018 at 8:18 PM

    • Well, now that I’ve looked up that distinguished gentleman Paulie D I have an observation. He says about his Ex “Aubrey always had something about her that could woo a guy no matter who he was . . .”

      This is a statement that is somewhat contradicted by the fact she dated the distinguished Mr. D. A man who appears to have been scraped off the bottom of some santiCan somewhere thus calling into serious doubt the scope of her ability to get men if forced to settle at any point in her life for the likes of Mr. D.

      Curle

      March 22, 2018 at 9:56 PM

    • This is short time orientation. If you have five kids, you don’t do anything to jeopardize the family harmony. This is very stupid.

      Yakov

      March 22, 2018 at 10:08 PM

      • Like father like son? Apple not far from the tree? Trash not far from dumpster?

        mpt

        March 23, 2018 at 10:07 AM

      • Well, the dad is great, so he is excused, but the son?

        Yakov

        March 23, 2018 at 10:55 AM

  11. All we need now is some electricity not produced by fire and we’re all set! Get out the solar panels! Praise Einstein and the photoelectric effect!

    Anonymous Fake

    March 23, 2018 at 3:43 AM

  12. Yeah, enjoy your lab grown mystery meat bacon. Those poindexters in the lab may not have social skills, a girlfriend or anyplace to go, but they can make fake bacon by the truckload. That lab full of rodents, guinea pigs and monkeys tells me I’ll give that a pass.
    BTW, not eating pork is NOT in the 10 Commandments. Its the result of people not knowing how to properly handle food or cook things thoroughly. People who love seeing their meat bleed so much, that minor problems like salmonella poisoning and spending the night getting their stomach pumped at the ER. won’t make them cook that meat through well done. You have to love epicurean purists, you certainly cannot reason with them.
    Much like scientists who want to make meat from “recycled” human waste. these lab boys spend so much time on solving problems we DO NOT HAVE. How about flying cars? A space vehicle that doesn’t have high explosive fuel? Do we have a shortage of cows or pigs? Why don’t these lab coats work on something that WE DO NOT HAVE IN ABUNDANCE?

  13. Cloned pig is absolutely not the same as lab-grown pork. Cloned pig is just a copy of one perfectly normal pig. Lab-grown pork is a liberal fantasy that 1) will never realize, 2) is practically tasteless.

    mapman

    March 24, 2018 at 1:10 PM

  14. Are they going to make lab grown shellfish too? Why not just eat it then? I’d rather eat bacon then some DNA mystery that a poindexter in a lab made in a test tube. Why are they making food in a lab? Is there a reason for this? There better be a reason for this. Mixing up weird shit in a lab and feeding it to people sounds like a “conspiracy theory” or X-Files episode. I don’t see any shortages of food at the grocery store. Why don’t they make something useful?


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