Lion of the Blogosphere

The shadowban rage shooting, part II

Here’s some more info:

https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/04/03/youtube-shooters-father-says-she-was-angry-at-company/

On a March 18 Instagram post, she railed at YouTube: “All my youtube channels got filtered by youtube so my videos hardly get views and it is called “merely relegation.” This is also happening to many other channels on youtube. This is the peaceful tactic used on the internet to censor and suppress people who speak the truth and are not good for the financial, political … gains of the system and big businesses. I recently got filtered on instagram too and maybe its related to youtube and youtube staff asked instagram to filter me here too!!?”

I previously wrote about the shadowbanning problem.

Also, I know how it feels when Google demonetizes you. I used to have Google AdWords on my previous blog (I made a little more than $100/month), and one day the ads stopped with only a vaguely worded email about a problem with my content. Absolutely no specificity about what I did wrong or how I could correct it, no way to talk to anyone from Google, no appeals process.

People will say she was crazy (and in some ways, absolutely yes, crazy woman), but if she says her views declined and she stopped receiving ad revenue, then I believe that’s exactly what happened.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

April 4, 2018 at EST am

Posted in Technology

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  1. This introduction of editorial filtering is a real problem.

    Curle

    April 4, 2018 at EST am

    • I’ve become a follower of several YT commentators and one who does news (former reporter from Vice).

      These people tell their audience exactly how the YT management treats them.

      Those with a big following can make a living from it. Part comes from advertising but most of cash the YT commentators pull in comes from audience support.

      YT itself encourages advertisers because they take a cut of it, unlike the audience directly supporting their channels.

      Things started to go south after The Wall Street Journal wrote a hit piece on a very popular comedian. They accused of being anti-semitic. He said it was comedy.

      Next advertisers started pulling ads. YT went nuts.

      They tried to ban stuff using only an algorithm. YT knew the algorithm would make mistakes, so the plan was for the vlogger to challenge it, which would get real human to look at it.

      The algorithm method seriously flawed, so they hired a huge number of people try to help the algorithm out.

      A few weeks later there was “The Purge”. One of the most popular vloggers what shut right out of Google (including GMail.) He was reinstated a day or two later. No explanation.

      In light of this it’s no surprise that someone was suffering from mental illness might well be unable to take it.

      The vloggers have networks, and they each on joint vids with some members of their network, thus gaining moral support.

      Some on the edge of sanity wouldn’t have such a network.

      Frau Katze

      April 8, 2018 at EST am

  2. I don’t see the concept of “shadowban” being discussed at all. People don’t get it or just don’t want to get it. This is because those being shadowbanned are almost exclusively on the righter side of the spectrum.

    ASF

    April 4, 2018 at EST am

    • Shadowbanning in general should probably not be allowed. Humans understand intuitively the problem of censorship, but neo-censorship tactics don’t have the same gut-level reaction despite being potentially far more damaging in general. These things are so new that they pass as innocuous to our moral radars, despite being anything but.

      Panther of the Blogocube

      April 4, 2018 at EST pm

    • YT was too chaotic to come up with a permanent and logic shadow banning policy. That’s certainly what they’re trying to do now.

      But the discussion on shadow banning has given me an idea (not related to YT). I’ve been using Pinterest for several years. I confess to one dubious practice: photoshopping other people’s picture if it appeared to need it. I use a free and not very powerful version for iPad.

      I ALWAYS attributed the original photographer. In fact, I have spent a large amount of time using reverse image search to try to determine who the photographer was (often nothing turns up).

      I was gaining 6-10 new followers every day, possibly helped by my alterations. Then one night a few months back it suddenly stopped. No new followers. I’ve entered a complaint about a week ago but received no answer. It was very sudden, so I’m now wondering if I’ve been shadow banned.

      But why wouldn’t they just suspend my account and tell me why?

      Frau Katze

      April 8, 2018 at EST pm

  3. By the way, “borderline personality disorder” is not the same thing as borderline crazy. Borderline personality disorder is a specific condition and it doesn’t refer to people who are kinda crazy/kinda sane. People with borderline personality disorder are 100% mentally ill.

    The reason for the original name was that people with BPD were thought to be on the borderline between neurotic and psychotic. Nowadays, BPD is often referred to as “emotional instability personality disorder.”

    fortaleza84

    April 4, 2018 at EST am

    • And you don’t think that shooting up a bunch of people indicates emotional instability?

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      April 4, 2018 at EST am

      • Yes in a generic sense, but it’s very unusual for people with borderline personality disorder to engage in this sort of violence. What’s far more common (almost universal) is for them to strike at people via lies and manipulation. That’s pretty much the signature behavior of BPD. In fact, it’s common for people to learn about BPD by doing a Google search for something like “‘lying’ ‘manipulative’ ‘sister'”

        Anyway, my point is that “borderline personality disorder” doesn’t mean that the person is in some gray area between sanity and insanity. People with borderline personality disorder are mentally ill and in fact in many ways it’s a worse condition than a lot of other mental illnesses since BPD sufferers tend to have poor insight into their condition. ie they tend to be unaware of it, making it difficult or impossible for them to get treatment.

        fortaleza84

        April 4, 2018 at EST pm

      • People (nearly all women) with BPD are awful, especially if they’re your wife or mother… personal experience… BPD is a specific type of crazy, but they’re not crazy in the manner of this shooter, they would be very unlikely to go on a shooting spree against random people (people with close relations to them might be more concerned).

        I don’t know how this nutter is crazy, and don’t care to find out, but she’s definitely got some issues.

        XVO

        April 4, 2018 at EST pm

      • I was also going to mention that borderline personality disorder DOES NOT equal “borderline crazy”. People with BPD have a distinct set of symptoms, including lying and manipulation (as the commenter mentioned above), but also a tendency towards substance abuse, extremely emotionally conflicted personal relationships, sudden mood swings, disassociative states, and a tendency to self-harm (and sometimes suicide). In the DSM-V it’s classified with narcissistic personality disorder, histrionic personality disorder and antisocial personality disorder as a “dramatic disorder”. Psychiatrists used to think it was a mild form of bipolar but now they realize it’s genetically distinct. A lot of people now call it emotional instability disorder now. I also recall Jeffrey Dahmer was diagnosed with it at one point.

        This lady was schizo (or in the early stages).

        GondwanaMan

        April 4, 2018 at EST pm

      • “In the DSM-V it’s classified with narcissistic personality disorder,”

        Some people think that being obsessed with posting videos of yourself on YouTube is sort of narcissistic.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        April 4, 2018 at EST pm

      • Possibly…

        GondwanaMan

        April 4, 2018 at EST pm

      • Borderline personality disorder and narcissistic personality disorder are very similar. In fact, mental health professionals have often been accused of hinging the diagnosis on the sex of the patient. BPD is primarily a female condition. If you have a female family member who is an extremely difficult person, who is constantly lying and manipulating others, there’s a very good chance she has bpd.

        The fact that the shooter is narcissistic doesn’t necessarily mean she has a personality disorder, narcissistic or otherwise. Most women these days, especially childless women are rather narcissistic.

        fortaleza84

        April 4, 2018 at EST pm

      • Demonetizing user’s accounts on Youtube also indicates some sort of emotional instability.

        My Two Cents

        April 4, 2018 at EST pm

      • As far as borderline personality disorder being primarily a female disorder, and being diagnosed as such (whether consciously or unconsciously) by medical practitioners, that’s true. Although there’s aspects of borderline that distinguish it from narcissistic PD (particularly the self-harm and high likelihood of suicide). Another trait of BPDs: people who know them often feel like they’re faking their emotional distress for attention.

        Histrionic PD has an even more gender-biased diagnosis pattern; I feel that disorder is more fitting for the claim that psychological diagnoses have a misogynistic/political element.

        But let’s face it, then entire DSM is kind of a joke. 100 years from now people will look back on it as voodoo. Most psychiatrists/psychologists still don’t fully understand and accept the genetic basis of personality disorders. They’ve made some attempt towards providing genetic explanations by grouping the dramatic disorders together, then the “eccentric” disorders, then the anxiety-based ones (although OCPD doesn’t really fit with dependent personality disorder or avoidant, given the likely different genetic bases).

        The even bigger problem is how some of the PDs are even classed as “disorders” at all. Narcissistic PD individuals and OCPD ones are over-represented in high-status occupations. They tend to have relationship and other emotional issues, but that’s just part of the trade-off. You really can’t call them “disordered”.

        Histrionic PD is also questionable for being called a disorder. Regardless, there’s little evidence that therapy works in treating these conditions.

        GondwanaMan

        April 4, 2018 at EST pm

      • “Most psychiatrists/psychologists still don’t fully understand and accept the genetic basis of personality disorders.”

        Whether it’s genetic or not, borderline personality disorder is definitely a thing. I have a female family member with this condition and the characteristics fit her very well. It’s also very useful to me to be aware of the condition because I know that there no way to have a decent relationship with her; that no amount of apologizing for imagined wrongs or appeasing her unreasonable demands will ever get her to start behaving in a reasonable way.

        fortaleza84

        April 4, 2018 at EST pm

      • Worth noting the similarities of BPD with Leftism. Also worth noting that BPD is stereotypically female. It really wouldn’t surprise me to learn that Leftism is a legitimate mental disorder.

        Panther of the Blogocube

        April 5, 2018 at EST am

  4. baader-meinhof in action: i was in a kebab shop a few days ago and they had a picture of a few bahai temples on the walls, i figured the owners were bahais. so i went on wikipedia and read all about the religion. its a really universalistic faith, seems to believe that all religions are the same and that everyone should get along. then i learned this chick was a bahai.

    james n.s.w

    April 4, 2018 at EST am

  5. She was apparently angry over YouTube demonetizing her channels. YouTube is kind of caught in the middle here. The companies that buy ads on YouTube don’t really want their ads appearing on some extremists rant, whether it is a neo-nazi, white supremacist rant, a black lives matter rant, or a animal rights, vegetarian rant. Companies want their ads on safe channels and don’t want to be associated with politically extreme views.

    YouTube executives probably don’t like much of the extreme content either, but they are unsure how to straight up block it, because that can cause even more protest.

    MikeCA

    April 4, 2018 at EST am

    • That may be true in some vague sense, but who cares? Youtube is a monopoly. They could just tell the companies to pound dirt. Maybe some would drop their advertising on Youtube, but they’d quickly realize there is no alternative and come crawling back. Youtube has been ratcheting up censorship because the people that run the company believe in censorship, just like all the other left leaning corporate executives.

      PerezHBD

      April 4, 2018 at EST pm

      • Dirty Harry: “Nothing wrong with shooting, as long as the right people get shot.”

        Censorship is a good thing. The Right just seeks to wield that power for our own purposes.

        Andrew E.

        April 4, 2018 at EST pm

      • Google’s ad network is easily sophisticated enough to allow advertisers to distinguish where they want their ads to display. This capability already exists. The line about demonetizing as a result of advertising pressure is simply a brazen lie. The real reason is that YouTube wants to make small channels less profitable and to become essentially TV 2.0. The secondary reason is to control the range of opinions that go against the political narrative.

        Panther of the Blogocube

        April 4, 2018 at EST pm

    • No youtube blocked her because she was doing Farsi videos that showed too much bare skin, and prudish Iranians were mass reporting her. Youtube doesnt want to get blocked in Iran so they tend to bow to this kind of pressure.

      DataExplorer

      April 8, 2018 at EST pm

      • That is speculation. A simpler explanation is that she was at least rather eccentric, possibly verging on mental illness. Combine that with YT having been in chaos for several months. I explained this detail in a comment above. That comment is based what non-mentally ill vloggers told their audiences, including me.

        Frau Katze

        April 8, 2018 at EST pm

  6. Persian is the ensonym, how Iranian called their own language (like Deutschland for Germany). Farsi is the Arabic exonym, how the Arabs called the Persian people and language. Westerners used to say Persian, but then, when they made alliances with the Arabs, they took the Arab exonym. So, today, we – english and French speakers – are left with two exonyms. They have not been specialized. SonI don’t think their should be a policy. It’s more a dive and plunge question and not a pig and pork.

    I would say the slight nuance is if you want to take the Arab point of view or not. At the same times, if you use the Arabic name just to put swtich the blame from Persian to Arabs, that’s not very honest. Besides, as you clearly said, her motivations have not’much to do with her being from Iran or a Muslim.

    Bruno

    April 4, 2018 at EST pm

    • Even though she’s not Muslim, she may have inherited an Islamic distaste for homosexuality that led to her being shadowbanned. Also, possibly, as Baha’i who are discriminated against by Muslims, she may have posted stuff that was considered “Islamophobic.”

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      April 4, 2018 at EST pm

      • I didn’t remember Baha’i and just checked what they believe in. Their religion claims the unity of all human kind, only one race, and they pretend to be againsr all prejudices (they debate on the point of whether including homophobia). This is the less HBD or Alt-right religion ever, except Buddhism maybe, and they invoke Allah ! So many crazy religions 😉

        Bruno

        April 4, 2018 at EST pm

      • “she may have posted stuff that was considered “Islamophobic.””

        True. YouTube would certainly shadowban her for that.

        “she may have inherited an Islamic distaste for homosexuality”

        Or maybe just the crazy Arab culture. People from these sorts of countries tend to be very excitable. Not introspective at all. They tend to be more racist, arrogant and rude. In Western cultures children are brainwashed to be nice to everyone. (doesn’t always take, of course).

        Rosenmops

        April 4, 2018 at EST pm

      • Islamic distaste for homosexuality? Outside of Western urban centers, approximately 98% of the world’s population recognizes it as a deviancy and treats it thusly. Homosexual tolerance is exhibit 1 for the proposition that western societies are run by a hostile elite.

        Curles_je@yahoo.com

        April 5, 2018 at EST am

      • It’s amazing that Bahi descended from Shia Islam less than two hundred years ago. I respect Bahais. They try and make sense of a crazy world.

        Back in college a beautiful Persian woman encouraged me to attend Bahai meetings. I wish I had done so. She was stunning. I think that she liked me too.

        I believe that the Bahai world headquarters is located in Israel.

        Daniel

        April 5, 2018 at EST pm

      • I get the sense that, if given the opportunity, more than half the Iranian people would chuck off Islam in a heartbeat. Further, they would hunt down and jail/lynch the mullahs who have been giving them so mach damn trouble for so long.

        Daniel

        April 5, 2018 at EST pm

      • I haven’t seen a reliable account that she was Baha’i, but it’s entirely possible. The religion gots its start in Iran and there quite a few of them there. Definitely they are persecuted. If she was Baha’i it would have contributed to a sense that everyone was out to get her.

        Frau Katze

        April 8, 2018 at EST pm

  7. There seem to be quite a few people barely scraping by trying to eke out a living in the “gig economy” making YouTube videos and such. A big problem seems to be that these platforms like YouTube and Google and Uber have a monopoly so they can easily “demonetize” people with little pushback.

    Tom

    April 4, 2018 at EST pm

    • This!

      Let’s say you leave your job at Walmart to start a YouTube channel. All your friends and family think you are crazy.

      So you pour 1000s of hours into making content and you start making money. Maybe you max out your CC and fall behind on rent. It may not be a lot of money at first, but it beats working at Walmart.

      Now all of a sudden Jake Paul makes a bad video and now YouTube starts demonitizing a bunch of videos. Now what are you supposed to do?

      Surprised there aren’t more of these people flipping out.

      Jeff

      April 4, 2018 at EST pm

      • Exactly. People start to RELY on Google/Youtube/Instagram etc for their livelihood, but you’re at the mercy of their algorithm or being banned, and there’s no recourse, no appeals process, no due process.

        The electric company, although “private,” isn’t allowed to turn off your electricity without due process because, I think the same rules should apply to tech monopolies.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        April 4, 2018 at EST pm

      • What puzzles me is how it can be legal for YouTube to have no clearly defined structure for compensation of content creators. This seems like an area where employment law needs to catch up to technology. Imagine showing up for a job where the employer told you they’d pay you, but didn’t disclose an hourly rate, and in fact decided based on a secret process how much they would be willing to pay you (a number that is subject to no oversight or accountability). What a great racket.

        Panther of the Blogocube

        April 4, 2018 at EST pm

  8. A lot of smart people here were saying that bitcoin crash cannot trigger any significant issue in economy or stock market because of tiny ratio of its market to everything else. Yet, if you look at ^DJI vs. time since January, it looks like Bitcoin price vs. time since December. So, I was right after all.

    My Two Cents

    April 4, 2018 at EST pm

    • Because correlation = causation and there can’t possibly be an underlying factor like Fed tightening or something else in the general economy that signals both.

      Paul Ryan's Sickly Old Lap Dog

      April 6, 2018 at EST am

  9. lion, if you want to make a little money off your blog I’m sure you could.

    Set up a bookstore link so a small piece of every sale goes to you.

    Ask for donations. Why not? Think of all the time you spend manually approving comments.

    Sell requests. Say for 20 bucks you will write three paragraphs on a requested subject.

    anyway, I knew a white guy in high school who was bahai. His parents converted. He was fluent in esperanto, a vegan, and very strange.

    toomanymice

    April 4, 2018 at EST pm

    • There isn’t any money in a blog like this. Just the way it is.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      April 4, 2018 at EST pm

      • West Hunter (one of the authors of “The 10,000 Year Explosion” sometimes sets up a GoFundme page. He says when he gets a certain number of contributions, maybe $1000, he will review a book, for example.

        Rosenmop

        April 4, 2018 at EST pm

      • I personally support several vloggers, plus West Hunter, Steve Sailer and Elder of Ziyon. Even it’s only $5-$10 a month, it’s some help. I use Patreon or Paypal. These people prefer regular monthly amounts,

        Consider how much I spend on WSJ and NYT.

        Frau Katze

        April 8, 2018 at EST pm

    • I think Lion could make money if he posed as a girl. He could even hire a model (with a suitable non-disclosure agreement) for pictures which can’t be busted with a reverse image search.

      fortaleza84

      April 4, 2018 at EST pm

      • I agree that I could turn a hot young girl into an Instagram influencer.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        April 4, 2018 at EST pm

      • — Harvey Weinstein

        snorlaxwp

        April 5, 2018 at EST am

  10. According to the Daily Mail (yeah, I know, but they’re probably correct here) she had about 5,000 YouTube subscribers. That’s hardly enough to make anything remotely close to a living. Taofledermaus has over a million subscribers but the man who runs it has said many times that he relies on Patreon donors to keep it going.

    Peter

    ironrailsironweights

    April 4, 2018 at EST pm

  11. Youtube has the freedom to do whatever they want. They do not have freedom from the consequences.

    Isn’t that their own philosophy?

    jjbees

    April 4, 2018 at EST pm

  12. I’ve got to say, the censorship that YouTube and other big tech companies engages in is extremely annoying. They do other annoying things too. My sister is really into Pinterest. She finds photos (mostly scenery or buildings such as churches or castles) on various places on the Internet and puts them on boards on Pinterest. She has a board for pretty much every country in the world, and she has thousands of followers. There is no way to monetize anything on Pinterest, but she is retired and it was a hobby for her. She is always complaining about Pinterest screwing around with things–making it impossible to sort her boards, etc. There are forums where people complain about it. Pinterest is completely unresponsive to complaints or suggestions. She got so frustrated I think she has stopped doing it now.

    I have a small channel on YouTube with music videos. I have about 80 videos posted. They have no way for you to put the videos in alphabetical order. You can sort them by newest to oldest, or by most watched.
    they don’t have any good way to put videos in categories. Maybe it is all being run by programmers from India who just don’t give a damn.

    But probably higher ups are doing the censoring. I understand they have to have some censorship. They don’t want snuff videos or porn. But the type of censorship they do is evil.

    Rosenmop

    April 4, 2018 at EST pm

  13. I liked the videos and images of employees exiting YouTube headquarters with their hands raised and police standing around with their fingers on the trigger. Home many of them pooped their pants yesterday? Some even pooped twice.

    My Two Cents

    April 4, 2018 at EST pm

  14. Another online company with draconian policies is PayPal. One day, out of the blue, a few years ago, I received an email from PayPal that they were “permanently limiting” (their term for banning) my account, for a vaguely defined violation of their Acceptable Use Policy I has supposedly committed several years prior, that did not involve anything fraudulent or illegal. And PayPal is extremely thorough in finding evidence of duplicate accounts; if you try to create another account and use the same name, address, phone number, email address, bank account info, credit card info, or anything else they have ever identified as being linked to a banned account, they will just ban that account too, and then you have committed another violation of their Acceptable Use Policy, which explicitly states that you may not sign up if they’ve previously banned you. You can’t even use the “Pay with PayPal without creating a PayPal account” feature many websites have, where PayPal is just the credit card processor, because even then, if they detect any of your credit card info has ever been associated with a banned account, you’ll get a message saying the card was rejected. And yes, there is no recourse; you can call them and get some underling on the phone who says “I’ll look into it and we’ll get back to you,” then three days later you get a boilerplate email from a non-replyable address saying “We apologize if there was any miscommunication, but there is no appeal being offered on this account.”

    What sucks so much about this is that I’m effectively banned for life from using eBay because of this, because 99% of the buyers and sellers on eBay only use PayPal. There are entire online fora out there (like paypalsucks.com) devoted to people discussing having this happen to them. Similarly to the cases of YouTube or Google AdWords censorship, there have been people who were making their living with an eBay online store, who abruptly had to find a new line of work when PayPal suddenly banned them with no recourse.

    Hermes

    April 4, 2018 at EST pm

    • Specifically, what did you do to cause PayPal to ban you?

      ScarletNumber

      April 8, 2018 at EST am

  15. Until recently, all written works came down the the highest echelons of society. Google/YouTube shadow banning is simply a return to the norm.

    Ivanthegrozny

    April 4, 2018 at EST pm

  16. I am friends with an Iranian woman. She is definitely crazy and has outbursts of extreme anger. I hung out with her a lot because she is hot and fun to be around (when not angry). Eventually I couldn’t take her anymore and didn’t talk to her for 5 years. Now she is on anti-anxiety and anti-depressant drugs and seems to be a lot better. I am going to see her soon and am excited about it.

    Interestingly she is furious at Google right now because she doesn’t like the arrest mug shot that comes up first when you search her name. She also doesn’t like that her totally insane blog postings show up from a few years ago. She also is furious about Facebook invading privacy and is the only one I know who deleted their account because of it. That being said, I don’t think she would ever shoot up a place.

    Jay Fink

    April 4, 2018 at EST pm

    • Even if nutty, she has legitimate concerns about privacy. I don’t have anything haunting me on the internet that I know of. But I don’t think others should be branded for life because of something from years ago. Personally, I think people should have the power to scrub any reference to them prior to their 18th birthday. I also think there should be a statute of limitations after which someone can have references to them scrubbed.

      destructure

      April 4, 2018 at EST pm

  17. Crazy girl, but she supported a worthy cause, bless her soul.

    Roli

    April 4, 2018 at EST pm

  18. She reminds of a former girlfriend, who also suffered from either Borderline Personality Disorder or Bipolar Disorder. She was also dark, lovely and Middle Eastern (Armenian in her case). She used to stage conceptual art events on the streets of New York dressed (coincidentally, or maybe not) like a member of the P.L.O. Very sweet and lots of fun sometimes, but other times way too much for me or her own family to handle. She would constantly threaten suicide, present me with some expensive parting gift, and then hurl groundless recriminations at me, while alternating her fierce episodes of rage with moments of extreme kindness, taking in stray cats or giving money to homeless people, etc. She had a key to my apartment for years, during which time I grudgingly helped keep her from starvation. Once I came home to find a sweater that she had given me for Christmas cut up into pieces, those pieces spread out in the shape of a human torso on my bed. Another time I came home to my basement apartment to find a butcher knife plunged into my mattress. I eventually ended up leaving the city for North Carolina – at least in part to escape her – and that was the end of that. Having her in my life was like dealing with an extremely difficult teenager, which is one of the reasons I never wanted to have kids.

    Mister Triple 800

    April 5, 2018 at EST am

  19. Serious question: with all of its employees out in the parking lot, how was the site able to maintain full functionality? And if everything is automatic, why do you need all those people? I have to wonder if some higher-ups there are thinking the same thing.

    raoulduke2767

    April 5, 2018 at EST pm

  20. Why doesn’t somebody start a rival video network for all the demonetized creators? Hosting videos must be expensive but somebody could make money off it. I just don’t get why nobody has tried so far.

    God Shammgod

    April 5, 2018 at EST pm

    • No one would be motivated to use the new network. There have been many failed rivals to YouTube and FaceBook and Instagram.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      April 5, 2018 at EST pm

    • (1) Relatively few people have been demonetized.
      (2) Most consumers are lazy, and are content with what the current platforms offer.

      Richard

      April 6, 2018 at EST am

  21. If we had any guts we would regulate Google like the monopoly* that it is.

    *Actually an oligopoly

    ScarletNumber

    April 8, 2018 at EST am


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