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Anti-feminist song: Charlene – I’ve Never Been To Me

I remember this song from the radio in the 1980s, but can’t say I’ve ever actually listened to it until now. What a strong anti-feminist message! The song tells the story, in first person, of a woman who slutted it up as a mistress to a string of rich men, having abortions along the way when she became pregnant, and now looks back with great regret that she didn’t settle down with a beta-male provider and have children. But zero regrets about not having a career.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

April 14, 2018 at EDT pm

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  1. To say that feminists are screwing over women is a fundamentally feminist criticism of feminism. The whole point of feminism is that women are getting screwed over relative to men. True antifeminism is saying that men are getting screwed over.

    And there’s nothing stopping this woman from getting married and having kids. Just like there’s nothing stopping rich people who claim that the poor have better lives than they do from giving up their money and joining the lower class.

    Magnavox

    April 14, 2018 at EDT pm

    • “The whole point of feminism is that women are getting screwed over relative to men.”

      The whole point of feminism is divide and conquer. To destroy the ethnic and in-group solidarity of people who’d better serve the ruling class as helpless and isolated peons.

      Curle

      April 14, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Yes, this.

        If you really take the red or black pill and SEE the Matrix, you see that history is really a savage struggle of rulers struggling for power amongst each other and seeking to dominate their subjects.

        The last century (at least) of American history has muchly been about producing LOTS of cheap labor.

        fakeemail

        April 14, 2018 at EDT pm

    • I would amp up true antifem critque to:

      “It screws men over and what is good for men is good for women and society. Further, what empowers women is bad for men, women, and society.

      fakeemail

      April 14, 2018 at EDT pm

    • I’m one of those who say the poor, specifically the poor collecting welfare, have a higher standard of living than myself. They get free food, free medical and much more cash and prizes. No, it’s not so easy to join them. You need to be a low or no income single parent to get all the goodies.

      Jay Fink

      April 14, 2018 at EDT pm

      • This is very true. My Tajik makes an equivalent of $90,000 when you count in section 8 and food stamps. Medicaid is worth a lot, but I don’t know how to count it so it’s not included.

        Yakov

        April 15, 2018 at EDT am

      • I meant people that romanticize and valorize the poor not reaganite sociopaths that want to see them dying in the streets. What you’re talking about is its own hypocrisy: if you think you would be better off as a poor single parent you could do that. If you think it’s immoral (which I do) and that overrides material considerations than you don’t actually think they’re better off. I’m sure theres also a small reasonable part of you that understands their material conditions aren’t actually as great as the politics of right wing resentment have led you to believe.

        Magnavox

        April 15, 2018 at EDT am

      • I was brought up to believe getting government welfare was a shameful thing. Is it not common to believe this any more? I’m old.

        Rosenmops

        April 15, 2018 at EDT pm

      • There is absolutely no meaning to America when a city like NY has NAMs who feed and live on welfare, and their striving neighbors of the White Middle Class, many of whom are sheeps of capitalism, pay an exorbitant amount of money to be in the same metropolis.

        Furthermore, inspirational, man-made beauty is nowhere to be found from sea to shining sea, only a dressed up decorum to sell a product or service called a store or office, which is subpar if one compares it to a business premise in Western Continental Europe.

        JS

        April 16, 2018 at EDT am

    • As usual in these types of discussions, part of the problem is that there is no clear definition of feminism.

      But in practice, one of the principles of feminism is that women should pursue whatever sexual satisfaction they crave and if there are negative consequences, it’s the fault of men or the patriarchy or whatever.

      So as a practical matter, a message that women should own their sexual choices is anti-feminist.

      “And there’s nothing stopping this woman from getting married and having kids. ”

      I didn’t listen to the song, but one problem is that women have a very short fertility and attractiveness window and if they spend that time chasing short term affairs, it can become difficult to attract a man and to have children, especially if you are used to dating Chad.

      fortaleza84

      April 15, 2018 at EDT am

      • There’s a very clear and consistent definition in practice, it’s just not the one found in dictionaries.

        Magnavox

        April 15, 2018 at EDT am

      • You’re clearly ignorant of feminsm because there is a huge (now largely dormant) strain of anti sex, anti pornography, and anti promiscuity thought. Even though they don’t represent modern feminist thought noone says that people like Andrea dworkin and Catherine MacKinnon weren’t feminists.

        Magnavox

        April 15, 2018 at EDT am

      • “You’re clearly ignorant of feminsm because there is a huge (now largely dormant) strain of anti sex, anti pornography, and anti promiscuity thought. ”

        I’m not ignorant of those things at all. It’s just that feminism has contradictory principles. Besides, regardless of whether you talk to the pro-sex feminists or the anti-sex feminists, it’s practically unheard of for any of them to put responsibility on women for the negative consequences of their sexual decisions. It’s always the patriarchy, or men, or whatever.

        So to the extent any song exhorts women to take responsibility for their decisions, it’s anti-feminist.

        A feminist would talk about how these alpha-males are bad people for taking advantage of this girl. Or that beta providers are bad people for wanting a wife who isn’t an alpha widow. Or that the Patriarchy brainwashed her into falling for the wrong men.

        Therefore the song is anti-feminist.

        fortaleza84

        April 15, 2018 at EDT pm

      • It’s always the patriarchy, or men, or whatever.

        Because that’s the core, definitional tenet of feminism that you keep claiming doesn’t exist: that society is a patriarchy (and that it shouldn’t be).

        Therefore the song is anti-feminist.

        The song is ambiguous (you’re right how the songwriters feel the sexual mores the song is about affect men is key to the interpretation) but is consistent with a kind of socially conservative feminism (think Loretta Lynn) that is a significant force in the world but has very little play with the cultural elite.

        Magnavox

        April 15, 2018 at EDT pm

      • “society is a patriarchy (and that it shouldn’t be).”

        This could mean almost anything and therefore means nothing. In a “Patriarchy” does public policy permit transactions in which women prostitute themselves?

        I do agree that there is some commonality among the various (contradictory) principles of feminism, i.e. that men suck; that women’s problems are the fault of men; and that more power and wealth should be transferred to women. But from this alone, it’s difficult to say whether the song is anti-feminist or not.

        fortaleza84

        April 15, 2018 at EDT pm

  2. Now that you’ve pointed it out, the song will become the subject of a women’s studies doctoral thesis somewhere addressing how far we’ve come and how regrettable the past was. The thesis will lead to a faculty position which will in term lead to many highly promoted public appearances and references in major media. Maybe becoming a topic of a Good Morning America segment or some similar venue. Maybe even a highly covered activist march sponsored by George Soros. Your daughter will grow up indoctrinated in the teachings of this professor and will discuss the evil bad old days with you over the family dinner table, assuming we still have families when that happens.

    Curle

    April 14, 2018 at EDT pm

  3. Never feel sorry for “educated” (code for SWPL values) spinsters who chose the party lifestyle when they were younger. They chose their path. They must live with the consequences. It’s not up to the state or anyone else to take care of them when the fun runs dry.

    666 goat 666

    April 14, 2018 at EDT pm

    • Fully concur.

      sestamibi

      April 14, 2018 at EDT pm

    • I agree with you to an extent, but I think that ultimately it’s a mistake to think of women as responsible adults when in reality they are children.

      fortaleza84

      April 15, 2018 at EDT am

      • This website is to women as Sailer’s is to Jews. I’ve learned a lot here, most of it depressing.

        gothamette

        April 15, 2018 at EDT am

      • Gothamette,
        Just ignore the silly remarks about women. There was a thread over at West Hunter that was full of them–sort of depressing. It as if they think they are in an old boys club and don’t realize there are reasonably intelligent women sitting next to them listening to their silly remarks.

        Rosenmops

        April 15, 2018 at EDT pm

      • People that speak that dismissive about women don’t realize just how marginal and tenuous men’s roles in society really is in general. They buy into the fallacy, ironically favored and propagated by feminists, that the elites, which tend to be male dominated, are representative of society as a whole. The reality is that things are not going well for men. You can certainly be informed and be anti woman, but you can’t be dismissive of them.

        Magnavox

        April 15, 2018 at EDT pm

      • “The reality is that things are not going well for men. You can certainly be informed and be anti woman, but you can’t be dismissive of them.”

        There is a distinction between women’s actual position in society and the position they deserve to hold. Women have far more power than they deserve due to men’s white-knighting instinct.

        If you gave children the right to vote, and they abused that power, it would not change the fact that they are children.

        fortaleza84

        April 15, 2018 at EDT pm

      • It’s not white knighting, at least not by any reasonable definition, that causes men to do so much worse than women in schools, which is probably the single most important issue. It’s also a good illustration of how limited and silly your conception of women as children is, since children would do much more poorly than adults if put in the same classes, and women significantly over perform men in the same classes.

        We got where we are because so many men are cucked and in denial, that much I agree with.

        Magnavox

        April 15, 2018 at EDT pm

      • “It’s not white knighting, at least not by any reasonable definition, that causes men to do so much worse than women in schools”

        I would have to disagree. Our gynocentric society is obsessed with doing everything possible to help girls and women succeed in school. So obviously to the extent it’s a competitive situation, boys will be negatively impacted.

        fortaleza84

        April 16, 2018 at EDT pm

      • LOL ok. So you’re just a feminist in reverse or an ignorant black agitator but for men. No point in discussing it.

        Magnavox

        April 16, 2018 at EDT pm

      • A brilliant rebuttal. Do you disagree that a lot of effort has been put into helping girls succeed in school?

        fortaleza84

        April 17, 2018 at EDT am

    • The liberal Prime Directive is to make it that irresponsible persons who make poor choices in life don’t have to suffer the consequences of their actions.

      driveallnight

      April 15, 2018 at EDT pm

    • It’s remarkable that some women won the gene lottery at birth, yet they still managed to fuck it all up under such a nonsense pretext as feminism. It’s absolute nonsense, it makes no sense. The world was their oyster. Then they went to college and took all the lies seriously.

      There are too many lies presented as popular opinion in the public sector now. Women’s emotional minds simply can’t process them correctly. Our only saving grace is fathers who know better. Do tell your daughters that feminism is a narrative, nothing more. Being attracted to badboyism and social depravity is very stupid. Be sexy and feminine, yes. Act like man and a slut, NO.

      Everything was taken care of by the end of the second wave. Now the narrative is maladaptive and dysgenic. It’s a social credit card now. It tells our young girls that their prospects aren’t good enough so they should spend their youth on trivialities masked as high status popular positions. Feminism tells them they deserve absolute resource guarantees, no matter what. That only works during times of plenty In girl’s case, their youth. There is a reason older spinster academics peddle this lie. They are the debt recipients of the lie. Cut them off asap.

      666 goat 666

      April 15, 2018 at EDT pm

  4. Just went across the GGB and saw a Prius with Wisconsin plates reading, JRKSTOR.

    Marty

    April 14, 2018 at EDT pm

  5. If woman don’t want men to chase them, they should quit menstruating.

    cesqy

    April 14, 2018 at EDT pm

  6. It’s bad and unsubtle even if it’s true. The prologue of Ride from Lana Del Rey it s the exact opposite : good, subtle but false and deceiptful. It’s a pitty that bad people are better in the music industry :

    I was always an unusual girl
    My mother told me that I had a chameleon soul
    No moral compass pointing me due north
    No fixed personality
    Just an inner indecisiveness that was as wide and as wavering as the ocean
    And if I said I didn’t plan for it to turn out this way I’d be lying

    Because I was born to be the other woman
    Who belonged to no one
    Who belonged to everyone
    Who had nothing
    Who wanted everything
    With a fire for every experience and an obsession for freedom that terrified me to the point that I couldn’t even talk about it
    And pushed me to a nomadic point of madness that both dazzled and dizzied me

    Bruno

    April 14, 2018 at EDT pm

  7. Oh well, we all live with the consequences of our decisions. It is unfortunate the the most crucial decisions that have the biggest impact on our lives are made when we are least prepared to make them.

    Clay

    April 14, 2018 at EDT pm

  8. This song was released in 1977 and didn’t do well on the charts. Re-released in the 1980’s, it did better, as the climate was more openly conservative. But even in the 80’s it wasn’t a smash hit. I always found it interesting, though. Will there be a follow up song where Charlene tells her niece “Better find a beta?”

    maryk

    April 14, 2018 at EDT pm

    • …..although I have to confess, I’m still analyzing “Eep Ep Ork Ah Ah.” (Did I get that title right?)

      maryk

      April 14, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Old people making fun of rock music. Little did they realize that in the future, pre-rock popular music would disappear entirely.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        April 14, 2018 at EDT pm

  9. Written by teo guys, fwiw.

    Mrs Stitch

    April 14, 2018 at EDT pm

    • TWO.

      Mrs Stitch

      April 14, 2018 at EDT pm

  10. “Little did they realize that in the future, pre-rock popular music would disappear entirely.”

    Well, pre-rock didn’t disappear entirely. Many people still listen to non-rock forms of music, as well as music from the 30’s and 40’s (the big band era.) But yes, to many old people of the 1950’s and 60’s, rock and roll sounded weird. A lot of doo-wop songs of the 50’s had strange sounding syllables and nonsese words in their lyrics. I assume that this song you like from the Jetsons was basically a parody of an Elvis Presley song. And my thanks to the Lion for not chastising me. I messed up the title. It’s “Eep Opp Ork Ah Ah” not “Eep Ep!”

    Do you remember “Earache my Eye” by Cheech and Chong? In it a teenager listens to rock and roll music and his Dad comes in his room to argue with him about something. But in this song we hear he’s listening to so basically, it’s rock and roll making fun of rock and roll. The singer this teen is listening to explains his dilemmas and then claims his mother disowns him “cause I wear my sister’s clothes. She caught me in the bathroom with a pair of pantyhose.” This was 1974. That was a shocking lyric for that time. No one knew that within 15-20 years such a kid would be on a TV show – “Understanding your transgendered son….on the next Oprah Winfrey show.!”

    maryk

    April 14, 2018 at EDT pm

    • Elvis Presley

      I never, ever listened to Elvis or knew of any of his songs until last night just surfing on Youtube, He had a phenomenal voice and many fun songs.

      E. Rekshun

      April 15, 2018 at EDT am

    • I don’t think parents have ever really listened much to the lyrics. Was in a car awhile back riding with a work colleague and the radio was playing an extremely explicit lyric about a guy sticking his thing in a girl’s you-know-what. I pointed it out to my friend who explained her sister’s adopted daughter, Black, had been driving the car and that she, my friend never noticed lyrics.

      Im pretty sure parents of the 70s were similarly clueless when The Who’s Squeeze Box came in the radio.

      Curle

      April 15, 2018 at EDT pm

      • That “Squeeze Box” was one of the filthiest songs ever played on the airwaves. The only song that surpasses it would Vanity 6″s “Nasty Girls.”

        maryk

        April 15, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Nobody listens to lyrics. George W. Bush used to go jogging with “My Sharona” by the Knack as accompaniment, and that’s about a guy lusting after an underage girl.

        Richard

        April 15, 2018 at EDT pm

  11. According to the Wikipedia article on the song, it was written by two men.

    Hermes

    April 14, 2018 at EDT pm

  12. I remember in the 80s a radio dj said all the women like that song and the men hate it. I must be unusual because I liked it. Not so much for the message, I just liked how feminine she sounded.

    Jay Fink

    April 14, 2018 at EDT pm

    • Janis Ian’s “At Seventeen” is probably the top example of that type of song.

      Richard

      April 15, 2018 at EDT pm

  13. Of course I don’t know exactly what the songwriters meant, but I’m going to guess that the reference to “unborn children” referred to the singer’s failure to get preggo in the first place rather than to abortions.

    Peter

    ironrailsironweights

    April 15, 2018 at EDT am

    • That was my impression too. I don’t see this as a reference to abortion, necessarily.

      Anyway if she did get pregnant by all those rich guys she could have raked in a lot of child support.

      toomanymice

      April 15, 2018 at EDT am

      • Did they have DNA tests back then?

        Rosenmops

        April 15, 2018 at EDT pm

  14. I play a name that tune game called songpop2, very fun game if you know music. Tonight I was playing a Motown category and was I ever surprised when this song came on. I never would have guessed it was on the Motown label. Because it was fresh on my mind from this post I was able to identify it in 0.8 seconds. Thanks Lion!

    Jay Fink

    April 15, 2018 at EDT am

  15. Michael Cohen the prole working class Jew:

    IHTG

    April 15, 2018 at EDT am

    • Proving that (1) there are pro-Trump Jews, and (2) the mainstream media doesn’t protect Jews, they go after them just as hard as gentiles who are pro-Trump.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      April 15, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Collateral Jews?

        Roli

        April 15, 2018 at EDT pm

      • If the only time pro-Trump Jews appear on TV talking about politics is when 1) they work for Trump and he puts them in front of a camera, or 2) they can be used to embarrass Trump, doesn’t that suggest America’s media gangsters don’t want to promote pro-Trump Jews? It’s not as if they are putting Paul Gottfried on TV.

        Curle

        April 15, 2018 at EDT pm

    • That’s the theme song to the Sopranos for people that don’t know.

      Magnavox

      April 15, 2018 at EDT pm

  16. A very sad song.

    I settled down with a beta male provider in 1976. We have 4 kids and 6 grandkids (and other due within a few weeks). Somewhere in those years my beta male provider supported me while I got 2 degrees. I have had a 20 year career teaching at a small university and hope to go for another year or two if my health holds out. My beta male is retired now and it makes me happy that I can work for a few more years so he could retire at 63 instead of 65 (he has worked for 40 years to support our family. )

    No regrets.

    Rosenmops

    April 15, 2018 at EDT pm


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