Lion of the Blogosphere

Only Trump could bring peace between North and South Korea

1. Anyone else who might have been President instead would have been too chicken to threaten North Korea with war, but that’s what Trump did. He scared the shit out of cowardly liberal elites, but Kim Jong-un couldn’t be sure about whether Trump would go to war to stop his nuclear program.

2. Only Trump could have pressured China to crack down on North Korean trade, because Trump came into office against free trade with countries like China who are taking advantage of us, so he had some actual leverage with China. Obama had zero leverage with China, they knew they could do whatever they wanted with North Korea and Obama would only give them a symbolic slap on the wrist in return.

This demonstrates how Trump’s prole approach to diplomacy trumps the supposedly more enlightened liberal elite worldview.

Trump should definitely get a Nobel Peace Prize considering that Obama got a Peace Prize for doing nothing besides being black and not being George W. Bush.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

April 27, 2018 at EDT pm

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  1. If this pans out it will be a spectacular human rights achievement that will hopefully spill over into china to whatever degree. While the trump administration deserves credit I’ll go out on a limb and speculate the mass exportation of south korean creativity (kpop, kdrama, film) have put korea ‘on the map’ in a manner unprecedented. Even my prole retired cop neighbor loved Train to Busan.

    The global sentiment and attention honing in on the region may well have bolstered peace efforts. My 16 year old, a rabid kpop fan, was in tears this morning when she read the news.

    Just watch out for the christian missionaries! They’ve been dying to get into NK for ages.

    toomanymice

    April 27, 2018 at EDT pm

    • Just watch out for the christian missionaries! They’ve been dying to get into NK for ages.

      This is the best part of al!! End the forced-labour camps, and bring the Gospel to Best Korea!

      SJ, Esquire

      April 27, 2018 at EDT pm

    • “If this pans out”

      If this pans out.

      “Kpop.”

      Puts the lie to “it’s all genes” IMO. Same genes, totally different environment.

      Another lie: Asians aren’t creative. Stupid American HBDers, middle-aged Sailer-frauds say this constantly, when all they have ever done is comment on his website. In reality Japan and Korea are the world’s leaders in pop culture now, with the US a sad runner-up.

      gothamette

      April 27, 2018 at EDT pm

      • With the exception of Gangam Style, could any American even list a single to K-pop tune?

        Roli

        April 28, 2018 at EDT am

      • Sure, young and hip ones.

        The Hunger Games was stolen – literally – from a great Japanese book and movie.

        Get a clue.

        gothamette

        April 28, 2018 at EDT am

      • Do Norks act like blacks because the have poverty?

        Toad

        April 28, 2018 at EDT am

      • You’re purposely deflecting, I wasn’t questioning the influence of Japanese culture, pop or otherwise. K-pop is only a thing for marketers and wannabes.

        Roli

        April 28, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Deflecting? LOL. I smacked you right in your karma.

        gothamette

        April 28, 2018 at EDT pm

      • “Puts the lie to “it’s all genes” IMO. Same genes, totally different environment.”

        No one has ever advocated for it being “all genes”.

        “Asians aren’t creative. Stupid American HBDers, middle-aged Sailer-frauds say this constantly”

        Sailer has never said this, to my knowledge.

        Alex2

        April 28, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Sailer may not have but his dittoheads constantly do. He just passively-aggressively trolls them and they respond like trained seals.

        gothamette

        April 28, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Many of the film making techniques and story ideas for the Star Wars series were borrowed from Akira Kurosawa’s Seven Samurai (1954) and The Hidden Fortress (1958). Akira Kurosawa is a legendary Japanese film director and screenwriter.

        The film The Magnificent Seven (1960) is a remake of the Seven Samurai transformed to the old west.

        MikeCA

        April 28, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Right. The Japanese actually gave rise to the entire genre of a certain kind of action hero and action sequences (for good or ill), that is, the wisecracking action hero who, in the middle of killing a dozen people, stops to deliver a dead-pan joke.

        I actually got into watching these Japanese movies made into the 1960s, samurai flicks, etc., and noticed that. I looked around in cinema books and confirmed that this was a pattern started in Japanese cinema. No one in Hollywood denied it.

        OTOH, the Japanese learned a lot from us. Kurosawa freely acknowledged that. There are many other examples. Tokyo Story was based on a forgotten Hollywood gem, Make Room For Tomorrow. Orson Welles said that you would have to have a heart of stone not to weep at it.

        gothamette

        April 28, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Kurosawa was great, but he was more famous in America than in Japan, which doesn’t speak that well of Japanese cinematic tastes.

        I have a nerdy habit of browsing foreign newspapers via Google Translate; a couple years ago I was reading a (major, broadsheet) Japanese one, which had a review of the 30th Godzilla sequel, Shin Godzilla. (Since then, they’ve released two more sequels). According to the reviewer, Shin Godzilla was

        • The best movie ever made.
        • Far better than any movie ever made by Hollywood.

        snorlaxwp

        May 1, 2018 at EDT pm

      • The original Godzilla movies WERE great. Made on a shoestring, they kept my older bro & me rapt for hours of a Saturday morning. (Sorry Yakov, we were assimilated American Jews and spent more time looking at shitty movies than in shul.)

        Do you think that’s easy? Keeping a fidgety kid quiet?

        About Kurosawa (and this is for destructure as well), he borrowed as much from Hollywood as they later borrowed from him, and always acknowledged their priority.

        I would never claim that pop music of any kind is the measure of great creativity, just went where the conversation was flowing, and in terms of popular creativity, from what I can see, Hollywood is a zombie.

        You still haven’t seen Battle Royale, have you?

        gothamette

        May 2, 2018 at EDT pm

      • “Another lie: Asians aren’t creative”

        There’s creative as in Kpop and then there’s creative as in technological innovation.

        It doesn’t take a high IQ to be a great musical artist (or actor for that matter). The tremendous African-American jazz/soul music legacy is a testament to that.

        Doesn’t work so well with technological creativity. Where are all the tech innovations and creativity from China/Japan/SK? Why does China have to resort to stealing the West’s tech secrets? Where are all the African-American tech innovators?

        Answer: They don’t exist (or are as rare as hen’s teeth). For African-Americans, it’s all about the IQ gap. For Asians, it’s certainly not IQ, but may be due to the culture, and the fact that the “creativity” has been bred out over thousands of years.

        gda

        April 28, 2018 at EDT pm

      • There are some people here who argue this as well. I think JS is in that category.

        It seems Japanese media is consumed more in the U.S. than all continental European media combined, which is pretty remarkable. Germany has practically zero pop culture influence here, despite its large economy and the heavily German stock of America’s population.

        That said, I think K-Pop is pretty niche in the West. For example, Gangnam Style is the only Korean video I see on this list:

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most-viewed_YouTube_videos

        At one point I started watching those music videos, just to get a feel for the world I’m living in. Most of them are really, really bad. Bland, charmless, no hooks. Pop music has really gone downhill.

        Is the average K-Pop song better than most of that garbage? Probably. But there’s still more good music produced in the U.S. than in Korea, if only due to the discrepancy in volume and the wide range of styles here — something for everybody.

        Also true of movies.

        Wency

        April 28, 2018 at EDT pm

      • I am personally not interested in K-pop or anime. I’m speaking of it’s influence on those who are in the visual arts – which I gather is huge.

        I thought Battle Royale was an awesome movie, although couldn’t get into the book. Light years superior to Hunger Games. I barely made it through the first installment. Dumbest movie I ever saw.

        gothamette

        April 28, 2018 at EDT pm

      • No one should use pop music (kpop or otherwise) as a measure for creativity. Pop music is the most dumbed down, repetitious and formulaic music there is. In fact, the more mindless a song is the more likely it is to be popular. Don’t take my word for it. Multiple independent studies reached similar conclusions. That is the opposite of creativity. Even worse for the “kpop equals creativity” argument is that it’s not even their formula.

        https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/science-proves-pop-music-has-actually-gotten-worse-8173368/

        https://mic.com/articles/107896/scientists-finally-prove-why-pop-music-all-sounds-the-same#.XVjjCs8KG
        ***
        I’ll give Kurosawa his due, though. Seven Samurai and Yojimbo are great movies. And they inspired some decent adaptions such as The Magnificent Seven, A Fistful of Dollars and Last Man Standing. And, of course, Lucas was a big Kuraswa fan which you can see in some of his Star Wars themes. On the other hand, Kurosawa was heavily influenced by the west as well. One of his best films Ikiru was loosely based on a novel by Tolstoy. And some of his others like Ran and Throne of Blood were adaptations of Shakespeare. Kurosawa did a pretty good job with them, too.

        Western movies do a lot better in the east than eastern movies do in the west. And most of the western adaptations of eastern movies don’t fare very well at all. But cherry-picking a handful of movies (or anything else) to make a point doesn’t make the point. And I don’t think a little pop music or a few movies — regardless of which direction it’s going — necessarily indicates either the quantity or quality of creativity. Most people just aren’t that smart. So the best stuff will rarely be the most popular, either at home or abroad.

        destructure

        May 1, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Yeah, the Japanese don’t have the creativity to create 25 sequels to a super-hero movie like Americans can do!

      • First, kpop is korean not japanese. And, second, I deliberately gave no indication of whether I thought either of those countries was creative. I merely said that kpop wasn’t creative. But you respond as if I said they weren’t. That irks me because someone might read your comment and think I said something I didn’t.
        **
        Whether a movie studio makes a sequel is a business decision having nothing to do with creativity. I’ll explain. Making a new movie carries a large risk of failure. But a sequel to a successful movie has a much higher chance of success. They similarly make adaptations of successful foreign movies believing them to have a higher chance of success. They figure if it was successful overseas that it has a higher chance of being successful in America. Maybe it does. I don’t know. But it ‘s still much less likely to be successful than a sequel to a successful American movie. Because the sequel has a built-in audience and name recognition that an adaptation of a foreign movie doesn’t have.

        destructure

        May 1, 2018 at EDT pm

      • No one has suggested “It’s all genes.”. Steven Pinker estimated it at 50% genetics and 50% culture. Nothing contradictory here.

        Post-Communist European countries show differences too. In particular, they tend to consider a wave of Muslim immigrants as a disaster. This was formerly known as “common sense”, a trait that has completely disappeared from today’s leftist thinking.

        Frau Katze

        May 2, 2018 at EDT pm

    • Back to tmm’s point, “If this pans out it will be a spectacular human rights achievement that will hopefully spill over into china to whatever degree. ”

      I doubt it would spill over into China. I think this is basically Trump using alpha male crude balls to the wall pressure on China for them to put alpha male crude balls to the wall pressure on Kim Jung whatever to see reason.

      And I think that is good enough.

      Praying that this happens!

      gothamette

      April 29, 2018 at EDT pm

  2. Paging Greasy William: Mass firings at RedState.

    IHTG

    April 27, 2018 at EDT pm

    • This guy’s a fake ‘propositional nation’ conservative, right? Like most of the NRO guys are as well. I hope this spells the end of the cuckservatives.

      Curle

      April 27, 2018 at EDT pm

      • It does not.

        Erickson left Red State years ago. He currently runs The Resurgent. The never Trumper faction still runs most major “conservative” publications.

        Mike Street Station

        April 28, 2018 at EDT am

    • This is great news. CuckState was vile and this shows any young conservative entering the field now that only total commitment to the destruction of the immigrant community is acceptable.

      We are slowly purging the movement.

      Otis the Sweaty

      April 28, 2018 at EDT am

  3. Henry Kissinger and Yassar Arafat have won Nobel Peace Prizes.

    ‘Nuff said.

    njguy73

    April 27, 2018 at EDT pm

    • Kissinger is easily one of the most deserving (least undeserving) post-WWII recipients. Arafat wasn’t a hugely egregious choice (by the low standards of the prize) since at the time it looked like there really was going to be peace in the Middle East.

      snorlaxwp

      April 27, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Arafat DID achieve peace, and then changed his mind at the very end and decided peace was a mistake.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        April 27, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Objectively, he made the right decision. Every day that the International Social Justice Left gets more invested in the Pally cause is a day closer to spending Ramadan in Jaffa (see: Algeria, etc). If he’d gone for peace the ISJL might’ve lost interest (see: Northern Ireland, etc). Plus the Pallies’ victim status lets them have their cake and eat it with ice cream and after-dessert coffee.

        Since the beginning of the civil war, some 120,000 Palestinians have fled Syria to Europe.

        Aww.

        snorlaxwp

        April 27, 2018 at EDT pm

      • snorlaxwp

        April 27, 2018 at EDT pm

      • The Israelis are sitting on a shit-ton of natural gas.

        Nyah-nyah.

        gothamette

        April 28, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Arafat never achieved peace, it was all bombs and terrorism since the first day of the Oslo agreement. Arafat did exactly the same thing he have done in Jordan and Lebanon, came in by the grace of his hosts and then started a civil war.

        Hashed

        April 29, 2018 at EDT am

  4. We have a deeply dysfunctional elite in the US and most of the West. Prole diplomacy works because its based on the acknowledgment of the perceived interests of both parties concerned, quid pro quo, and the like. Elite diplomacy is based on virtue signalling, who possesses the most intersectional diversity Pokemon points, and browbeating.
    For instance, the idea of putting the Kims up in luxury style to the tune of a few hundred million in exchange for them getting out of the way/becoming merely a Korean pop culture icon of Korean unification is something that is totally unthinkable to the Deep State/elite diplomats/conventional politicians in the US. Whereas it is quite thinkable to a guy like Trump who is quite amenable to spending comparatively minor amounts of money to make problems go away.

    Jehu

    April 27, 2018 at EDT pm

    • Absolutely, leaders like Kim Jong-un should be helped into retiring into a life of luxury and wealth. The cost of a cruise missile attack (hundreds of millions of dollars) would be much better spent on bribing problem leaders to go away.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      April 27, 2018 at EDT pm

    • For instance, the idea of putting the Kims up in luxury style to the tune of a few hundred million in exchange for them getting out of the way/becoming merely a Korean pop culture icon of Korean unification is something that is totally unthinkable to the Deep State/elite diplomats/conventional politicians in the US. Whereas it is quite thinkable to a guy like Trump who is quite amenable to spending comparatively minor amounts of money to make problems go away.

      It’s unthinkable to any smart dictator who has seen what happens to deposed dictators. There’s nowhere the Kim Jong Un could go and have a reasonable expectation of peace and safety for the rest of his life. One of the consequences of all the talk of crimes against humanity and institutions like the ICC in the Hague is to make it 100% rational for dictators like Kim to cling on to power by any means they can. It may become rational for him to give up his nuclear weapons but only because he conventional weapons capable of killing millions of south Koreans near the border.

      Magnavox

      April 27, 2018 at EDT pm

      • You’re kidding yourself if you think that a sort of immunity wouldn’t be offered to KJU, completely enforced by China’s continued cooperation in the general matter on the peninsula. What’s your theory, South Korean extradition? What a laugh.

        This isn’t Europe.

        Dorian

        April 27, 2018 at EDT pm

      • What is your theory? That he’s just going to stay in North Korea? As that country opens up and the whole country learns what a monster he is? And where the whole world gets to witness that process and turn against the Kims even more?

        There is no formally recognized immunity from the ICC.

        This isn’t Europe.

        Neither was Libya under Gaddafi.

        Magnavox

        April 27, 2018 at EDT pm

      • “There is no formally recognized immunity from the ICC.”

        North Korea is not a signatory to the ICC. Nor is China, the most likely host nation to a post-regime Kim Jong-Un.

        And China is enough of a superpower to be immune to ICC blandishments.

        John D'oh

        April 28, 2018 at EDT am

      • Your whole argument is that north Korea will liberalize enough to make Trump a hero but not enough to end the country’s totalitarian cult of personaliry around the Kims.

        That makes no sense because you are such a dummy.

        Magnavox

        April 28, 2018 at EDT am

      • “Your whole argument is that north Korea will liberalize enough to make Trump a hero but not enough to end the country’s totalitarian cult of personaliry around the Kims.”

        Not what he said.

        What he said was that bribing Kim into retirement would be cheaper than going to war. (And Trump stands a better chance of doing that than any president since Truman.)

        John D'oh

        April 29, 2018 at EDT am

      • Idi Amin had a nice life of exile in Saudi Arabia.

        Anthony

        April 29, 2018 at EDT am

      • Idi Amin had a nice life of exile in Saudi Arabia.

        And did Idi Amin’s country improve enough to make any of the bother worthwhile?

        What he said was that bribing Kim into retirement would be cheaper than going to war. (And Trump stands a better chance of doing that than any president since Truman.)

        That would only be worthwhile if the North Korean people advanced enough to abandon the cult of personality around the Trumps.

        Magnavox

        April 29, 2018 at EDT pm

    • Prole diplomacy works

      And I’m still waiting for any evidence that Trump (or his administration) has actually worked towards peace in Korea in any substantial way, rather than just using mouthing off on twitter to Mr. Magoo himself into Nixon’s old Madman Strategy. It’s peace in the middle east that has been the big focus of the Trump administration (to the very limited extent that he is capable of focusing on anything).

      Magnavox

      April 27, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Because your analysis of the classified details of the matter is worth something to the world?

        If it looks like Trump has a credit in the matter, which it does, then he will be credited accordingly. Unless your theory is that one of the other leaders will make it a point to approach a microphone and set the world straight about the US’s lack of involvement in the matter. This occurred immediately after Pompeo’s visit. That’s likely all of the evidence that you will get, and it certainly is all that you should need.

        Dorian

        April 27, 2018 at EDT pm

      • I’m still waiting for any evidence that Trump (or his administration) has actually worked towards peace in Korea in any substantial way…

        “South Korea’s foreign minister has said she believes President Donald Trump is largely responsible for bringing North Korean leader Kim Jong-un to the negotiating table.”
        https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/26/world/korea-summit-kang-kyung-wha-amanpour-intl/index.html

        chedolf

        April 28, 2018 at EDT am

    • I’ve always thought that was the solution to the Korean conflict.

      In exchange for disarmament, open NK up to free trade and foreign investment, and let the Kim family be robber barons in their own country,

      McFly

      April 27, 2018 at EDT pm

    • North Korea is probably the greatest development opportunity in the world due to its location and intelligent workforce.

      McFly

      April 27, 2018 at EDT pm

      • “North Korea is probably the greatest development opportunity in the world due to its location and intelligent workforce.”

        Yup. All other impoverished countries in 2018 are impoverished for HBD reasons. Good luck with those.

        Dan

        April 27, 2018 at EDT pm

    • “hundred million in exchange for them getting out of the way/becoming merely a Korean pop culture icon of Korean unification”

      I could see that. I could see Kim Jung or whatever his name is (I really cannot be bothered to look up his name) in a music video with Kanye. Let it happen, sooner rather than later!

      Kim Jung – Kpop idol. Great idea.

      Likewise, I never understood why we just don’t buy the entire Afghan poppy crop for a cool few billion and use the opium to make legal drugs.

      gothamette

      April 28, 2018 at EDT pm

  5. Nothing has happened yet. And if it does, then celebrating that while ignoring all of his failures domestically is the very definition of cuckservatism.

    Magnavox

    April 27, 2018 at EDT pm

  6. Don’t make me laugh now! When Trump stops immigration and deported the illegals including the DACA people, than and only than will he have earned a Nobel Peace Prize. This is what he was elected for. I mean, this country is dead, totally finished, simply annihilated, if the immigration outrage is allowed to continue. Wrong priorities, Mr. President! Poor post, Lion!

    Yakov

    April 27, 2018 at EDT pm

    • From a human rights perspective I would disagree. Until recently (if they are even closed) NK ran what are essentially concentration camps. If the country can open up to the world only good can result both on a human and state level.

      Illegal immigration is at a decades long low and that’s just from trump talking. Give him time.

      toomanymice

      April 27, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Yeah, well, Trump was elected to be the President of the United States, not the President of Humanitarians. From THAT perspective, which by the way is the only perspective that matters, his impact on the fortunes of North Koreans is nigh on irrelevant. We elected him to improve OUR fortunes and so far he hasn’t delivered much beyond the symbolic. If you want to wax poetic about abstract humanitarian ideals (ie, cuck), perhaps the New York times commentariat would provide a more receptive audience.

        WangHu?

        April 27, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Spiders, from the human perspective I’m sympathetic to all the illegal Mexicans, Tajik’s, Koreans and whatever, but faced with an existential threat the ONLY moral actions are the ones that benefit your civilization and people. Anything else is treason.

        Yakov

        April 27, 2018 at EDT pm

      • “f you want to wax poetic about abstract humanitarian ideals (ie, cuck), perhaps the New York times commentariat would provide a more receptive audience.”

        This isn’t about Trump trying to win over the establishment, this is about a leader of a country who directly threatened the United States with nuclear weapons. That’s just not an issue that can be ignored.

        Mike Street Station

        April 28, 2018 at EDT am

      • “We elected him to improve OUR fortunes and so far he hasn’t delivered much beyond the symbolic.”

        Are you one of the 85% of taxpayers who is receiving more money in your paycheck? Is the economy booming? Is consumer confidence growing? Is unemployment shrinking? Are you saying those are all merely symbolic?

        Just what exactly were your expectations?

        Perhaps you could try and be more accurate in your use of personal pronouns. Not OUR, but MY?

        gda

        April 28, 2018 at EDT pm

      • WangHu, I’ve been comment-banned from the NYT for a long time lol.

        I’m reluctant to use the term humanitarian because it’s been coopted by the SJWs.

        But getting sent to death camps, being rounded up by your government for a forced third trimester abortion, being killed at birth because you were born a girl, these are profound evils that should alarm anyone wanting to sleep at night.

        toomanymice

        April 28, 2018 at EDT pm

    • It’s horrible for every reason you mention but on top of that nothing substantial has happened yet. Even a peace treaty, which isn’t what they’ve signed, would only mean going from de facto peace to de jure peace.

      Magnavox

      April 27, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Yes “only”. This guy.

        Dorian

        April 27, 2018 at EDT pm

    • Whatever happened to the Daca people? I thought there was going to be a date where it all came to a head?

      This country is practically ruined already, even if we stop all immigration. The demographics are already pretty bad. I am still for stopping all immigration, but it won’t happen.The best we can hope for is a reduction in half, which Trump might do, but I won’t count on it.

      The start of the disaster is when they started to import black people-slaves. There was a plantation owner that was worried about where he would get workers if slavery ended and his fellow plantation owner said to now worry there are plenty of poor people around to do the work. They could have had their plantations without slaves.They had the factories in New England without slaves and working in those places was just as bad as slavery in reality. Ok, they could leave, but to where? The UK got people to work in mines and factories without enslaving them and those were pretty unpleasant places.

      ttgy1

      April 27, 2018 at EDT pm

      • “This country is practically ruined already, even if we stop all immigration. ”

        So true. So depressing. I’m still looking for a state where the rot is slowest. I’m not leaving the US.

        “The start of the disaster is when they started to import black people-slaves. ”

        Even after the war the Confederates wanted to import Africans. If you do not believe me look it up in the bio of N.B. Forrest by Jack Hurst. He states that AFTER the CW, Forrest advocated importing Africans, this time as indentured servants on contracts. I do not make this up. He said they were the only laboring class in the South, no one else could be induced or depended upon to work hard.

        gothamette

        April 27, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Theres a theory that they needed African workers in the south because of their resistance to malaria and yellow fever.

        Magnavox

        April 27, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Europe is still in a far better demographic situation than the US. It won’t last, but we have at least three generations before we deteriorate to US levels. On the other hand, the relative lack of Jews in Europe is a big reason why Europe has lagged so far behind the US in innovation and cultural influence since the 1950s.

        Peter Akuleyev

        April 28, 2018 at EDT am

  7. snorlaxwp

    April 27, 2018 at EDT pm

  8. At the same time, if I were Kim, I wouldn’t believe a word of the USA : Khadafi desarmed and he was destroyed and given to savages Muslim. The same in Serbia. I think a promise of the USA is worth nothing, because the USA always break every treaty or agreement when it sees fit. I would stick to my bomb like Pakistan or Israel or India or China or Russia etc and nobody can mess with them any more ….

    Bruno

    April 27, 2018 at EDT pm

    • If he is bribed and North Korea has a new government, he ll end up being tortured. He surely deserves the worst torture on earth but I don’t think is dumb to the point on falling in such a trap ….

      Bruno

      April 27, 2018 at EDT pm

      • They won’t torture him, not after this big hugging and celebration. The North Koreans love the Kims, so the Kims have to be taken care of.

        There are several examples in Asia of countries turning away from Communism and liberating while preserving continuity with the old Communist regimes, starting with China and Vietnam.

        Dan

        April 27, 2018 at EDT pm

    • Kim Jong Un has proven plans for nuclear weapons. He is safe (unless Comey raids his office and confiscates the plans…laughing.) Even the materials to create a N-weapon are becoming easier to make and procure. I bet Iran and other ME countries would love the plans.

      cesqy

      April 27, 2018 at EDT pm

    • Kim ain’t stupid.

      Yakov

      April 27, 2018 at EDT pm

  9. Kim Jong Un has proven plans for nuclear weapons. He is safe (unless Comey raids his office and confiscates the plans…laughing.) Even the materials to create a N-weapon are becoming easier to make and procure. I bet Iran and other ME countries would love the plans.

    cesqy

    April 27, 2018 at EDT pm

  10. Not a knock on Trump, but the more realistic explanation is N. Korea knew it’s underground nuke testing site had become geologically unstable (prior to its recent reporting in the press).

    So they saw the writing on the wall and sought an exit strategy.

    Also, we shouldn’t count our chicks before the eggs hatch.

    anon

    April 27, 2018 at EDT pm

    • I think the nuke testing site story will be the go to talking point on why Trump doesn’t deserve any credit. Just like Reagan, they will say he had incredible good luck.

      Mike Street Station

      April 28, 2018 at EDT am

  11. rivelino

    April 27, 2018 at EDT pm

  12. Let’s get this over with and give Japan her peninsula back.

    bobbybobbob

    April 27, 2018 at EDT pm

    • The Koreans are stronger militarily than Japan. Maybe they would accept some comfort geishas as retribution.

      cesqy

      April 27, 2018 at EDT pm

      • LOL. The japs have nuclear ICBMs, well trained amphib assault units, top notch AWACS, arguably the best diesel submarines in the world, and a fleet of DDGs. After the USA the japs are the only serious naval military power in the world. The French might qualify for third.

        We should just pull out of Asia and let them run it already. Admit the whole 40s mess was a big mistake. Japanese boys should have died fighting the commies.

        bobbybobbob

        April 27, 2018 at EDT pm

  13. If Trump does not get the peace prize after this – assuming it works out – he will join Borges and Tolstoy and Proust and Tolkien and Joyce and Wodehouse and Wallace Stevens in that special group of non-scientists who obviously deserved a Nobel and did not get one!

    A much cooler group than the actual winners!

    (In physics, we have Hawking and Dyson and Penrose and Barbour and Godel and the Professor from Gilligan’s Island, just to stick to guys who spoke English or lived in New Jersey).

    howitzer daniel

    April 27, 2018 at EDT pm

  14. In 1992, 2000, and 2007 NK made peace overtures towards the South. All those fell apart. NK seemed to change its mind. The Clinton negotiated agreed framework to suspend the NK nuclear program fell apart in part because the US Congress refused to fund it. The US never lived up to its promises. Then GWB declared NK part of the Axis of Evil. They restarted their nuclear program and now have the bomb and long range missiles.

    I think NK is playing Trump, but we will see.

    mikeCA

    April 27, 2018 at EDT pm

    • That’s my opinion too .except if the sanction were intolerable I don’t understand while they would give up nukes

      Bruno

      April 28, 2018 at EDT am

      • Kim in his speech never mentioned denuclearization. Moon, the South Korean leader, said the two leaders shared the common goal of denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula . Kim did not affirm or deny Moon’s statement.

        Kim has not said what he is willing to offer. He suspended nuclear testing for the talks, but the site NK has used for most of its nuclear tests collapsed after the last test, so NK would have to develop a new site. Most experts think that would take a year. NK public statements just say they have suspended testing. They do not say they are not developing a new test site to replace the old one. The suspension of testing may be a meaningless gesture while they develop a new test site.

        It is more likely Kim is trying drive a wedge between South Korea and the US.

        mikeCA

        April 28, 2018 at EDT am

      • Giving up operational nukes is not the same thing as giving up your plutonium pits. It only takes a reasonably short time to reconstitute a weapon if you store the pit. A report I read said US pits could last 50-60 years, Russian 15 to 17. NK pits?

        cesqy

        April 28, 2018 at EDT pm

    • Why are we still there? I do not understand why we have to run the Pacific rim. Why do we have this massive armada and hordes of troops in Japan and the Philippines and South Korea? It’s a holdover from another era.

      A president who said: We’re not doing this anymore, goodbye. Well that would be prize worthy.

      I’m not some pacifist or anti-imperialist. We’re involved in the mid-east, africa, and central/south America because of natural resources and hydrocarbons in particular. By maintaining prime influence we gain important global leverage. But in the case of the pacific asian nations I just do not understand the game plan. It’s an enormous waste of money. If China got all uppity with her neighbors, first of all she’d probably fail, and secondly capital and jobs would flee to the Americas like you wouldn’t believe. The American worker should celebrate a war in Asia. But that can’t happen because we’d be involved for some insane reason.

      bobbybobbob

      April 28, 2018 at EDT pm

  15. “Obama got a Peace Prize for doing nothing besides being black”

    And closely associated with being black, he had the baritone voice. Liberals go weak in the knee at the sound of that voice.

    Roli

    April 28, 2018 at EDT am

  16. No one in America, whether right or left, seems to notice that the real driver behind the reconciliation has been Moon Jae-In, the President of South Korea. Moon is a leftist who also represents a lot of the strong nationalist anti-American feeling in South Korea, and who would love to see US troops leave and the two Koreas reconcile, even if it means leaving the Kim family in power.

    Trump deserves credit, but not necessarily for the reasons Lion mentions. Trump has made it obvious that he is not interested in pursuing US hegemony in Asia at great cost and limited benefit. He also has really pissed off South Koreans with his tariffs and his talk about missile strikes that seemed to completely ignore the damage a war would do to South Korea. Moon has been able to use anti-Trump feeling to beat back the pro-American conservative factions in Korea and push a pro-North reconciliation agenda. To Trump’s credit, he certainly has succeeded in gutting the US State Department, which has made it very difficult for the Deep State to undermine Moon the way it normally would.

    Kim is certainly not going to give up nuclear weapons, but it is not clear why the US should care. If we pull our troops out of South Korea, we won’t be a target. Also a unified strengthened Korea could be a useful counterweight to China.

    Peter Akuleyev

    April 28, 2018 at EDT am

    • That fits my general impression that if Trump is doing anything right in terms of international relations it is acting so unpredictably and irrationally that the rest of the world is forced to become more self sufficient and less parasitic towards the US.

      Magnavox

      April 28, 2018 at EDT pm

  17. “Trump should definitely get a Nobel Peace Prize”

    Proles don’t give a flying eff about a NPP!

    JS

    April 28, 2018 at EDT am

  18. A couple of scenarios have been posited regarding the nuke facility:
    – It had been weakened through earlier testing and collapsed of it’s own accord
    – The US used “rods from God” (kinetic weapons) to take out the facility

    It seems likely that many of the nuclear scientists (and probably a few generals) died at the time.

    It’s been suggested that Kim’s greatest fear was not the US or SK, but his own military, who would lose money and influence if he made concessions. IOW, Kim was a puppet of his generals.

    Thomas Wictor has suggested that this is no longer an issue because those who were dangerous have been dealt with, not by Kim, but by “outside forces”, likely including US Seals. QAnon has said that the CIA controlled NK (through the military), but now their control has been broken.

    Speculation? Sure. But perhaps not wild speculation.

    Sept 13, 2017: USS Jimmy Carter, one of the most secretive subs in the USN, returns to home port flying the Jolly Roger flag – indicating operational action (successful).

    Sept 19, 2017: When asked whether there was “any military option the US can take with North Korea that would not put Seoul at grave risk,” Mattis responded, “Yes, there are, but I will not go into details.”

    October 10, 2017: North Korea nuclear base “collapses” killing 200+

    So maybe the order was:
    1) Remove Generals and other dangerous military personnel
    2) Remove nuclear threat capability
    3) Sue for peace.

    gda

    April 28, 2018 at EDT pm

  19. split on ResetEra over Joy Reid. Seems to be 50/50.

    They are mostly interested in Kanye right now so that is taking a lot of attention away from Reid.

    Otis the Sweaty

    April 28, 2018 at EDT pm

  20. Oswald Spengler

    April 28, 2018 at EDT pm

  21. Lion: please do a post about this ResetEra thread: https://www.resetera.com/threads/rich-white-nyc-parents-enraged-by-plan-to-increase-diversity-in-local-schools.39097/

    “Resistance” parents are outraged by the idea of their children having to go to school with blacks. We need for more such things to happen.

    Otis the Sweaty

    April 28, 2018 at EDT pm

    • I guess it serves them right for voting for De Blasio.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      April 28, 2018 at EDT pm

      • When little Johnny comes home roughed up, the parents might wish to rethink their hip and progressives voting habits.

        Roli

        April 28, 2018 at EDT pm

    • Shouldn’t such parents gladly offer their children as sacrifices to their diversity deity?

      Moloch must be appeased.

      Oswald Spengler

      April 30, 2018 at EDT pm

  22. North Korea is the one place that an Iraq-style Neocon nation building project would actually succeed.

    McFly

    April 29, 2018 at EDT am

    • Which would just encourage a dozen more misadventures.

      Richard

      April 29, 2018 at EDT am


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