Lion of the Blogosphere

Proles love Trump, even black rappers

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2018/apr/25/kanye-west-donald-trump-dragon-energy

While I don’t think we are at the point at which blacks will defect, en masse, to becoming Trump supporters, because there’s a strongly established framework of blacks being loyal to the Democratic party. But Trump’s prole and masculine personality (he behaves a lot like a rich basketball player) is a much more natural fit for blacks than wimpy SWPL liberal politicians.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

April 27, 2018 at 9:25 AM

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  1. I don’t see any reason for further discourse on this topic. blacks in general are conservative and prole (they are a major consumption demographic of corporate chain food, which is generally prole).

    Being “prole” is also synonymous for being a loser, often with reactionary tendencies and blacks fit this profile perfectly. blacks are also the reactionary constituents of the Democratic party.

    JS

    April 27, 2018 at 9:47 AM

  2. Blacks don’t need to fall in love with the Republicans, they just need to fall out of love with the Democrats. That would be enough destroy the Dem party in the short to medium term until/unless the demographics keep shifting.

    Andrew E.

    April 27, 2018 at 9:50 AM

  3. The cultural significance of Kanye supporting Trump cannot be underestimated, particularly after Kim Kardashian’s defended it. Whether we like him or not, Kanye is a pop culture icon and I suspect that he is leading what he instinctively knows will be a seismic shift. He understands that what is forbidden will always be cool and he is getting out in front of the curve. He won’t be the last to adopt this new personae. Liberalism is lame and conservatism is the new counter culture.

    B.T.D.T.

    April 27, 2018 at 10:05 AM

  4. All it takes is 10-15% of the black vote to go Republican and the Democrats’ “elect a new people” strategy is in jeopardy. If the GOP can loosen the Dems’ hammerlock on the black vote, then virtually any Den constituency is fair game.

    Oswald Spengler

    April 27, 2018 at 10:09 AM

    • I mean an additional 10-15% of the black vote to go Republican.

      Oswald Spengler

      April 27, 2018 at 10:13 AM

  5. Chance the Rapper has caused genuine panic at ResetEra.

    Blacks will never vote Republican, but it is possible that they might be less inclined to turn out for an increasingly SJW party. Rank and file blacks aren’t nearly as gung ho about open borders, Islam and trannies as their leaders are.

    Otis the Sweaty

    April 27, 2018 at 11:05 AM

  6. My former boss, who is a decently intelligent black woman, absolutely loathes Trump, but she checks all three boxes: (1) Black, (2) Unmarried/Childless, and (3) Attorney, so probably not the black demographic that grudgingly respects him.

    It was kind of a weird dynamic back at election time since I was her favorite employee (I get shit done) but she simultaneously knew I was a big Trump supporter. Fortunately, she didn’t turn on me, and we just let the elephant sit there in the corner of the room.

    Jokah Macpherson

    April 27, 2018 at 11:09 AM

    • My question: was she literate? I’ve known a few black lawyers and they weren’t.

      mel belli

      April 27, 2018 at 4:45 PM

      • Yes, high verbal IQ (I had five years to observe this) and passed the bar on the first try. Definitely not affirmative action, although I have been around enough of those as well.

        Jokah Macpherson

        April 27, 2018 at 6:14 PM

      • “Definitely not affirmative action,”

        Don’t be so sure. Think about it. Who’s more likely to get affirmative action — the black woman at Harvard or the black woman working at McDonald’s? Educated, middle class blacks are way more likely to get AA than uneducated, ghetto blacks. So your former boss may be competent but she still got hired and promoted over someone who was better. I’m not saying her choice was between her current position or McDonald’s. I’m saying she got that little extra push to the next level that she wouldn’t have gotten. Or, at least, she got it a few younger than she would have gotten it. The same is true for every middle class black whether they realize it or not.

        destructure

        April 28, 2018 at 10:05 AM

      • Right, AA is the biggest benefit to blacks who take advantage of it by going to college and graduating.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        April 28, 2018 at 11:21 AM

      • Not sure what we’re arguing about here. Yes, I understand that at every echelon of education and employment that black people have an advantage over a similarly qualified, say, white candidate. A black kid with a 1600 SAT is a lock for Harvard admission while it’s not as sure a thing for a white kid (I personally knew a girl with a 1600 SAT who got rejected from Princeton). But the point is that the black kid is nonetheless Harvard material. He didn’t get admitted in spite of not meeting minimum qualifications.

        I was defending her basic competence and literacy, not making a broad statement about affirmative action in general. I expect HBD-denialists to not understand statistical distributions but it reflects poorly on commenters here when they act incredulous that one reasonably smart black person could exist anywhere.

        Jokah Macpherson

        April 28, 2018 at 1:51 PM

      • I wasn’t arguing or denying statistical distribution. Nor did I question her competence. I was actually making the opposite point that it’s the more competent blacks are more likely to get AA.

        destructure

        April 28, 2018 at 8:51 PM

      • “Nor did I question her competence. I was actually making the opposite point that it’s the more competent blacks are more likely to get AA.”

        Actually you were questioning her competence, and you said that she had displaced a more competent white person (man, I assume): ” So your former boss may be competent but she still got hired and promoted over someone who was better.”

        You have no basis to say that in her particular case, especially since Jokah has observed that it isn’t so. Am I supposed to credit your abstract claim over Jokah’s concrete observation?

        Jokah is right: the qualified black person is part of a class that benefits from AA, but that doesn’t *necessarily* mean he got where he is by AA.

        Which is the problem with AA.

        It’s really nasty to compare this woman with someone who is a complete fraud, such as the obsese black woman forcibly hired by the FDNY, who got kicked upstairs to a desk job.

        gothamette

        April 29, 2018 at 5:25 PM

      • . I expect HBD-denialists to not understand statistical distributions but it reflects poorly on commenters here when they act incredulous that one reasonably smart black person could exist anywhere.

        Not really, it’s to be expected: HBDers do not care if HBD is true.

        Your anecdote and the replies are the perfect example of that.

        See also: HBDers having a hard time with the likelihood of Barack Obama having a high IQ.

        swank

        April 30, 2018 at 12:27 PM

  7. The main upshot of this is not going to be a minuscule (though welcome) uptick in Black votes but that goodwhites will have to come up with a better argument than “raaaacism” against everything Trump does. Kim is defending her husband so they cant use the “seeexism” angle either not that it ever worked anyway.

    Otis are heads exploding over at ResetEra?

    Lionel of the Richiesphere

    April 27, 2018 at 11:10 AM

    • ‘racism’ is a good argument.

      regardless of whether HBD is true, the truth is that HBDers don’t care if HBD is true.

      ‘racism’ is a good argument for blacks just like ‘those rich bastards’ is a good argument for poor whites (who vote democrat, btw).

      middle class and above white people hate (1) non-white people and (2) poor white people, before any talk of HBD enters the equation.

      swank

      April 27, 2018 at 4:45 PM

    • Yes. Big time.

      The blacks on ResetEra consider Killer Mike an Uncle Tom for supporting the evil Bernie so you can imagine how pissed they are at Kanye. There are 1 or 2 blacks saying that the Dems don’t own the black vote but virtually all the other blacks vehemently disagree.

      The whites and latinos are the ones who are showing some concern. That said, I don’t think they will need to update their “muh racism” argument against Trump, they are in fact using it to condemn Kanye right now. The Left owns the megaphone and has lockstep support from the black community so they will always be able to brand their opponents as racist.

      Otis the Sweaty

      April 27, 2018 at 5:04 PM

      • “Killer Mike”

        Mike Tyson?

        Anyway, who cares about Kanye. It’s unseemly for conservatives to be drooling over him.

        It’s enough that we have Roseanne.

        gothamette

        April 29, 2018 at 5:38 PM

  8. What a great argument against Trump!

    Magnavox

    April 27, 2018 at 12:09 PM

    • Wrong, Magna! Blacks are part of the American nation and an nationalist/fascist government has to take care of them on their level.

      Yakov

      April 27, 2018 at 12:56 PM

      • government has to take care of them on their level.

        By paying them to renounce their citizenship and to not have children if they remain here. Blacks have no future here.

        Magnavox

        April 27, 2018 at 4:13 PM

      • “By paying them to renounce their citizenship and to not have children if they remain here. Blacks have no future here.”

        I’ve been hearing this since the American Colonization Society. I mean, people have been saying it. I’m not that old.

        http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/aia/part3/3p1521.html

        gothamette

        April 29, 2018 at 5:39 PM

  9. Back in the early 1990s GOP chairman Lee Atwater used to advocate a “20% solution” which would make the Republican party invincible. Sadly, that never came about, but the black GOP vote has been growing slowly and the advent of high-profile black Republican politicians like Will Hurd, Mia Love, and Tim Scott helps the process. Note that all this is happening organically as well, with no “affirmative action” to push it along.

    I hope (but don’t expect) this will be the beginning of a “preference cascade” among blacks who look at Kanye West, Diamond and Silk, and the movie “Barber Shop” and think “You know, that’s exactly the way I feel too!” and come out of the closet. The process can also be aided by the GOP installing black conservatives with an attitude in high party level positions (county and district chairman, etc.) in ghetto areas, and seriously contesting a handful of state legislative seats in such areas just as an experiment with a goal of getting 35-40% of the vote on the first try.

    sestamibi

    April 27, 2018 at 3:33 PM

    • With all do respect, I’ve been hearing the idea that a new Black GOP era was just around the corner all my life. It’s always chased, and it never gets here. Jack Kemp basically dedicated his political career to making inroads in the black vote and died with a much higher percentage of blacks voting Democrat than when he started.

      There would have to be a radical sea change in US politics to re-align the Black vote, and I don’t know what that would be.

      Mike Street Station

      April 28, 2018 at 8:40 AM

      • Kemp was going about it the wrong way. You need to appeal to their EMOTIONS, not to logic about “enterprise zones” (which was a lot of bullshit anyway).

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        April 28, 2018 at 11:19 AM

      • Don’t get me wrong. I’m not expecting things to change either. I was just outlining the path they would take if they did.

        sestamibi

        April 28, 2018 at 11:33 PM

      • The future of US politics is more of the same, tax eaters and their monopolist/administrative state allies on one side vs. tax givers on the other.

        Curle

        April 29, 2018 at 1:02 AM

      • he future of US politics is more of the same, tax eaters and their monopolist/administrative state allies on one side vs. tax givers on the other.

        That is such total idiocy. That was never true and it’s become less true as the democrats become more and more of a high-low coalition. And the republicans have plenty of tax mooches among their retiree and white working class bases.

        Magnavox

        April 29, 2018 at 2:03 PM

      • ” Will Hurd, Mia Love, and Tim Scott helps the process”

        Correct me if I’m wrong but they are all from Western states. Blacks in the industrial Midwest, South and North are parts of huge communities and they vote Democratic as a block for economic reasons. After that, came the political power which, being human, they will not relinquish. Why should they? Splitting their vote would dilute their power.

        “With all due respect” —

        I’ve been hearing about it all my life, and my life is longer than your life! We’ll be hearing it until the sweet bye and bye.

        Blacks used to be Republican, because of slavery, etc. But the polarities completely shifted as a result of the Depression/New Deal, and will stay that way until another social earthquake.

        gothamette

        April 29, 2018 at 5:42 PM

      • I would never downgrade the importance of emotions in politics but the black migration to the Democratic party was completely rational on their part. When they come north in their millions they could vote. The Dem party wanted voters. The Dems were then truly the party of the lunchpail working man. So they went into the Dem party in droves.

        There is nothing Deep State or difficult to understand once you wipe the cobwebs from your eyes.

        The Jack Kemp strategy was bullshit, as Lion notes.

        Blacks will not leave the “Democratic Plantation.” Why should they? They run it.

        gothamette

        April 29, 2018 at 5:48 PM

      • “Blacks will not leave the “Democratic Plantation.” Why should they? They run it.”

        If blacks ran the Dems, they wouldn’t be all about gays, trannies, global warming, and all that SJW crap which blacks don’t care about. Mostly what blacks get from Dems is the emotional pleasure of seeing the Dem’s kiss their black asses whenever they complain about racism.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        April 29, 2018 at 6:23 PM

      • They are part of the power structure, not the entire power structure. They get a lot more than ass-kissing. They get affirmative action & billions in social welfare programming. The Dems aren’t “all” about trannies, etc.

        gothamette

        April 29, 2018 at 6:40 PM

      • “That is such total idiocy. That was never true and it’s become less true as the democrats become more and more of a high-low coalition.“

        People view themselves as tribal members and understand where their tribe and support network lands on the tax eater/giver continuum. Well off blacks are hit on for money by less well off relatives to a degree unimaginable by most whites. Any reduction in government transfer payments from the white tribe to the black tribe would simply force well off blacks to shoulder more of their tribe’s burden. They’d much rather continue foisting this cost onto the larger, and more productive white community. This is why blacks aren’t up for grabs.

        Curle

        April 29, 2018 at 6:52 PM

      • “I’ve been hearing about it all my life, and my life is longer than your life! We’ll be hearing it until the sweet bye and bye.”

        Really? You think you’re older than I am? Such a young looking avatar!

        Mike Street Station

        April 29, 2018 at 7:56 PM

      • “I would never downgrade the importance of emotions in politics but the black migration to the Democratic party was completely rational on their part.”

        I agree. Blacks are part of the Democratic Party for a reason and for a reason that’s entirely rational to them. They are a small (13%) minority that has a historical history of oppression so it’s entirely logical to side with the identity politics party that will take your side, no matter what, and provide excuses for you. That’s powerful stuff that no Enterprise Zone can compete with.

        Mike Street Station

        April 29, 2018 at 7:59 PM

  10. It is not significant because even his die hard fans know he’s not quite right in the head.

    DataExplorer

    April 27, 2018 at 6:05 PM

  11. I wouldn’t read too much into the Kanye thing. The MSM loves pumping him up but he looks to be on the verge of being committed to a mental institution. There’s a lot of rumors that he’s either bipolar or some other form of nutty.

    GondwanaMan

    April 27, 2018 at 11:03 PM

  12. Trump is, culturally speaking, America’s true “first black President” (anti-intellectual, loud, quick to take offense over perceived slights, loves bling and celebrities, etc.). He certainly has the ability to connect with black people in an emotional way that no President since Clinton (who came from prole roots) could have managed. The key to his success was turning working class voters who typically vote Democrat but feel betrayed – the sort of voters he picked up in Pennsylvania and the Rust Belt. That appeal should have worked with blacks. But to win as a Republican, Trump is forced to play up the racist themes that appeal to Southern whites who just hate blacks on principle, rather than the pure nationalist themes that Bannon was trying to encourage. I think Trump might be more successful governing as a populist anti-immigrant if he were a Democrat.

    Peter Akuleyev

    April 28, 2018 at 3:58 AM

    • Interesting….a lot of insight in this comment (although some of this has been said elsewhere)….

      GondwanaMan

      April 28, 2018 at 1:39 PM

    • “Southern whites who just hate blacks on principle,”

      Southern whites don’t hate blacks. They understand the centrality of herd mentality and average group IQ to culture and civilization and that blacks are a group liability on all fronts.

      Curle

      April 29, 2018 at 12:55 AM

  13. Black Men respect Trump a lot more than Black women.

    Curtis Mouser I

    April 28, 2018 at 1:23 PM

    • Do you mean black men respect Trump more than black women do, or that black men respect Trump more than they respect black women?

      sestamibi

      April 28, 2018 at 11:35 PM

  14. Kanyes support for Trump will cause the democrats to field yet more radical blacks, if that’s even possible, to counter the turnout question, blacks will vote for the black candidate en masse regardless of whatever “secret” admiration they have for Trump, republicans will counter by fielding more country blacks but even country blacks think of other country blacks as this blog thinks of proles. This is a disaster, we are doomed eventually we will become South Africa which is poetic justice for what we did to those folks.

    Rule 1 – They hate you, 70% do, 20% aren’t sure, 10% want to get along (these are the country blacks).
    Whites and blacks in sports get along because whites in general supplicate to blacks in sports.
    Rule 2 – 99% of them will side with any black over anyone else in any situation regardless of how ridiculous it is (re: OJ, vagrants in Starbucks, etc etc etc).
    Rule 3 – The idea that blacks are conservative is as laughable as the idea mexicans are conservative.In a white society, perceived that is as America is no longer a white society, blacks and hispanics will always support the policies that get them more handouts, this includes even more so the upper management blacks.

    Black men don’t admire Trump, they just want to bang porn stars, although technically they just want to bang, anybody/thing will do.

    EzE

    April 29, 2018 at 9:09 AM

    • “The idea that blacks are conservative is as laughable as the idea mexicans are conservative.”

      Blacks definitely ARE conservative, but remember that it’s conservative to vote for one’s perceived tribal interests.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      April 29, 2018 at 10:42 AM

      • Okay, the tribal interests of blacks are to keep whites motivated to keep the gravy train on schedule.
        Conservatism is to “conserve” a social and economic culture that is Western European in character, (yes?) which is in essence white culture, redneck to yankee but white all the way. Conservatives have also failed miserably at the job but that’s what they tried to conserve; white, anglo saxon, mostly protestant culture.
        The tribal interests of blacks would then be to vote white nationalist conservatives, specifically Trump but they are just too much of phuck-ups to do so, maybe if they didn’t have loose shoes and a warm place to shit they would.

        EzE

        April 29, 2018 at 4:51 PM

  15. I can’t believe all this mishigass over some show biz meshuganah.

    gothamette

    April 29, 2018 at 8:43 PM

  16. Reuters say favorable opinion of young black people went in one week from 6 to 9 for women and 11 to 22 for men. It is not much electorally because young minorities men doesn’t vote that much but it shows the power of the show business the democrats are benefiting

    Bruno

    May 5, 2018 at 5:55 AM


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