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Impressions of Jordan Peterson

I haven’t finished his book 12 Rules for Life, and I haven’t watched any of his YouTube videos, and I could be completely wrong about everything, but here are my impressions.

Peterson is a secret believer in HBD and a not-secret believer in evolutionary psychology. Peterson is an atheist who sees Christianity as a good thing for providing people with a sense of community and with good moral values like the benefit of monogamous marriage.

Peterson grew up prole in a small town in Alberta (a place totally unlike Cicely Alaska, the fictional town in Northern Exposure), and his goal was to get out of his crappy small town with its stupid people and become an intellectual. But his proleness asserted itself and he was unable to join the groupthink of modern liberalism and believe in crazy SJW crap. Scott Adams and this blogger also come from prole backgrounds, it’s a very common background for independent thinkers of the new right.

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May 23, 2018 at EDT am

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  1. If there is hope, it lies in the proles.

    Oswald Spengler

    May 23, 2018 at EDT am

  2. Peterson is invaluable when it comes to spreading wokeness about innate gender differences. He talks about IQ, too, although he stops short of discussing group differences. I don’t have much interest in his YouTube videos or self-help advice, but I always like him in interviews and debates.

    It’s annoying when people on the right attack him. The main complaint seems to be that he rejects identity politics, as if that’s a bad thing. Peterson’s rejection of identity politics seems sincere, but even if it isn’t, his audience would be a tiny fraction of what it is today if he started talking about white identity and an ethnostate, or whatever. Explicit white identity politics is a complete political non-starter. If white identity politics continues to rise, it will be soft and Petersonesque.

    Horace Pinker

    May 23, 2018 at EDT am

    • I agree with this.

      There seems to be a tendency for some components of the alt-right to conflate John McCain-style neocon globalist cucks with anti-SJW traditionalists who happen to be offended by sieg heiling.

      Wency

      May 23, 2018 at EDT am

      • +1

        The purity tests are very unhelpful. Yes, the Left does it, but they are already in power. They can afford to lose a few of their heretics. Dissident movements can’t. Smart ones will make the tent as big as possible short of letting the wolves in. Note I’m not saying one should never criticize people like Peterson, it’s the “race traitor,” “shill” stuff that’s the problem.

        Tanturn

        May 23, 2018 at EDT pm

    • Exactly! The dissident right is very small and needs to operate under a large tent.

      Peterson is well spoken and reasonable. And he handles harpie BBC journos especially well:

      SWPL2

      May 23, 2018 at EDT pm

      • I posted the wrong link:

        SWPL2

        May 23, 2018 at EDT pm

  3. I’m from Staten Island originally, then moved to an upper class suburb in NJ. I found it frustrating that I couldn’t fit in, but now I see that it was really the type of society I moved to was more insane from the one I left. The original feeling I had was that upper middle class societies were wiser than the lower ones.

    Red pill aspie

    May 23, 2018 at EDT am

    • I wish you’d expand on this. Maybe a book titled “the wisdom of the lower middle” would outsell Peterson?

      vipltd

      May 23, 2018 at EDT pm

      • You must be new around here. I am on record, many times, as saying that Lion’s blog and associated insights GOT ME THROUGH transitioning from a lower-middle-class background to an upper-middle-class world. The OP is quite correct, this is a common background story for those of us on the dissident right.

        S.J., Esquire

        May 23, 2018 at EDT pm

      • My parents are immigrants from the Czech Republic, who fled the Soviet invasion that crushed the Prague Spring in 1968. They settled first in Astoria, Queens, then in Staten Island (the Arden Heights area, which is not too far from where the SI dump used to be.). They were educated in gymnasiums (pre-college schools in the Czech Republic), but given the new environment, had to start their own businesses. They were sort of unlucky in the respect that their fellow Czech friends succeeded earlier than them and made it out to the suburbs in NJ, while they made do in Staten Island. Although incidentally, they moved there because SI was still very rural in the 1980’s. Our townhouse unit had a picturesque green scenery that was unfortunately ruined with more townhouse eyesores that were built there shortly after my parents moved in.

        I grew up in what Lion would call a “high prole” environment, where parents worked as teachers, cops, firemen and had the working class ethic accompanying it. I was seen as the “nerd” of the neighborhood since I was very good in math and was at the top 1% of my class. Despite this, my parents didn’t focus on putting me to special schools as they wished for me to focus on practical applications (get a schooling good enough for a good job, think of basically getting a good enough schooling for Rutgers). While I was bullied, I was still friends with people in my neighborhood. It was not uncommon for me to be invited by my “gang” for baseball, basketball, swim pool meets, etc. While I wasn’t high social status, I was still seen as part of the “gang”.

        Obviously, this group was more salt-of-the-earth and concentrated on popular culture, going-ons with the Yankees, etc. While it was easily accessible for us to take the subway to the SI ferry and go to Manhattan, our group only went for a few times and that was mainly to see the Yankees. Otherwise, our group never really went for cultural outings and the like. It was more movies, pool parties, neighborhood parties, etc.

        I did get an inkling early on how upper middle class life was as my parents regularly visited their successful friends in NJ. I got along pretty ok with their sons on these playdates, but I could tell the environment was not as salt-of-the-earth as I was used to in SI. The living seemed more atomized and didn’t have the community vibe as I was used to in SI. I also could see the environment was more competitive in terms of academics, sports, etc. From my perception, people seemed to focus more on their track teams, academics, etc. than on a relaxed living I was used to.

        One big thing that stood out were the suburban girls. My parents had two Czech friends who both had daughters. The talk of hypergamy about girls and such? I saw that very early on. There was a bitchiness, stuck-up quality to them that shocked me very much. True, there were bitchy girls in SI, but they seemed pretty rare. Girls in SI could be mean, but it was more of a salt-of-the-earth variety, not the entitled way I saw the NJ girls carry themselves.

        What was even more shocking were the Czech girls my parents took in. My parents regularly hosted friends who came to visit from the Czech Republic when they wanted to travel in the US. Some of these had daughters. They were a real pleasure to interact with! They treated me very nicely and like an actual human being. There seemed a quality to them that they were natural while the suburban girls were very artificial. It mitigated the feeling that there was something wrong with me for the girls in the suburbs to act so stuck up.

        Eventually my parents succeeded in their businesses and saved up money for a house in NJ. We actually rushed to move out as my townhouse neighborhood was starting to fill up with “low-proles” and NAMs. My parents were careful to select a neighborhood in NJ where the high school was one of the top 10 in all of NJ.

        The move and high school years were some of the worst years of my life. I had been the top person in my school, but now I was in a high school with Indians, Chinese, and upper middle class whites. My grades suffered when I realized I was no longer the top student and I had to work hard to bring them up again. The new environment was very demotivating as everything was so atomized. The only way to make friends in such a suburban environment was with playdates, something my parents were not used to. I only managed to make friends from the tennis team I was part of and the quiz bowl team. I had thought of myself as a nerd, but the nerds outcasted me with their snark. I didn’t realize it at the time, but I had brought my working class mentality which didn’t rub well with the upper middle class one. Everyone took poorly to the salt-of-the-earth humor I had.

        I also noticed early on that people had all these “fake” personalities and were passive-aggressive. In NYC, we could mess with each other talking with PC humor, but in my new environment, it rubbed off poorly on people. The implication was that you were an uneducated boor with such talk. I didn’t realize how insular suburbs were because of such things as helicopter parenting, groupthink, cognitive bias, etc. I frankly didn’t know the extent of such insularity until I saw the SJW phenomenon starting in 2013 and realizing they were a product of it.

        My time was miserable in the suburbs, but because of my high intelligence (my IQ is 152), I managed to get good grades and go to a prestigious STEM school. I was still miserable as I was still surrounded by upper middle class types. My friends were usually foreigners, intellectuals, or the odd working class person who like me was lucky to go to the school.

        All of these experiences left me with a sour taste and confusion. It wasn’t until the rise of the red-pill and blogs like these that I could make sense out of this new class system, a system that Charles Murray wrote about years earlier and to which I’m kicking myself for not reading him soon enough. I now have been able to fit in with upper middle class/hipster types since I know how to fake the socializing, but to me it still doesn’t feel authentic. I still have 1-2 working class friends who I’m grateful for as I can drop my PC exterior and feel authentic around.

        Feel free to message me for more information. I feel that my working class background has given me unique insights and real world experience that people of the upper middle class are either unaware of or dismiss out of hand.

        Red pill aspie

        May 23, 2018 at EDT pm

      • May I feature this in its own post? I ask because there’s a lot of personal info here, and it’s possible enough for you to be doxxed.

        btw, maybe the Czech girls were only nice because they were unfamiliar with the U.S. social hierarchy, but they could have been total bitches to low-status boys back home.

      • Lion, yes feel free. No one in my old neighborhood or new one really reads these types of blogs, so feel free.

        To your point on Czech girls, no this is not true. I visited the Czech Republic and the girls there were also very sweet and accommodating. This is an European phenomenon, or more specifically one where there is more cultural cohesion. The traditions there have been very sold and cohesive and I suspect that makes women more wholesome. However, I feel that with the Czech Republic now being globalized, this will soon be lost. We had a friend over recently whose daughter seemed to act no differently than American girls. So I suspect the old traditions and the wholesomeness that go with it are falling apart.

        Red pill aspie

        May 23, 2018 at EDT pm

      • All of these experiences left me with a sour taste and confusion. It wasn’t until the rise of the red-pill and blogs like these that I could make sense out of this new class system, a system that Charles Murray wrote about years earlier and to which I’m kicking myself for not reading him soon enough. I now have been able to fit in with upper middle class/hipster types since I know how to fake the socializing, but to me it still doesn’t feel authentic. I still have 1-2 working class friends who I’m grateful for as I can drop my PC exterior and feel authentic around.

        You, sir, have written a superb post that echoes my feelings exactly. I’ve said this before, I discovered Lion’s blog during my first year of medical school, which I spent scratching my head and wondering why I didn’t “fit in” with the mostly UMC classmates.

        So many of us seem to have a story in which we came from intelligent genetic stock, and yet for assorted sundry reasons grew up under humble circumstances.

        SJ, Esquire

        May 23, 2018 at EDT pm

      • this is a common background story for those of us on the dissident right.

        You’re right; it’s similar to the path I traveled too. I was born to a high-prole/LMC WASP family but raised in a suburb surrounded by middle-to-UMC Jews where I didn’t fit in. In later years I came to wish I’d been born and raised in an all-UMC-WASP environment, but maybe I should be careful what I wish for, because I might have turned out as a true-believing liberal SWPL!

        Hermes

        May 23, 2018 at EDT pm

  4. I don’t know that I’d call Peterson an atheist. Maybe a culturally Christian agnostic. I think he’s ambivalent about Christianity, as to whether the parts of the message that he agrees with are enough for him to adopt the “Christian” label, despite the parts he thinks are false.

    He might also be inclined to say something to the effect that even if God isn’t real the way my keyboard is real, He’s definitely real in some sense, and the sense in which He’s definitely real is still important. Just as he’s been arguing that dragons are real and important in some sense.

    Wency

    May 23, 2018 at EDT am

  5. Why is it prole to see truth for truth?

    Maciano

    May 23, 2018 at EDT am

    • I’m not saying it’s a bad thing, it’s an observation. Maybe because people from prole backgrounds feel like outsiders in the upper-middle-class world, they don’t naturally absorb the groupthink.

      • Also, from my experience, people in the working class are much more closer to reality. When they move to an upper class area, they can’t help but call out the fakeness they see the SWPL immerse themselves in.

        Red pill aspie

        May 23, 2018 at EDT am

      • In Canada I would classify Peterson’s background as middle class. His father was a high school teacher and his mother a librarian at the local college. I would say he would be prole if his father worked on oil rigs and his mother was in retail. But perhaps you think everybody from small town Canada is prole. Or maybe everyone in Canada! A lot of his friends would have been prole.

        In the ’80’s we (me. husband and kids) lived in a small town in BC about 200 km east of where Peterson grew up. I didn’t think of myself as prole — or low class. More middle class. My husband was a professional with a degree. I had ambitions to go back to university (which I fulfilled eventually, getting a MSc –though certainly not in that town).

        I have lived in several small towns, including a logging camp on northern Vancouver Island. I guess most of the people in those towns were prole. But no matter where I have lived in BC, I’ve noticed people are pretty much the same. There is an assortment of people everywhere. When we lived in Smithers (almost 2 days drive from Vancouver, pop. ~8000) my husband worked for a research branch of the government. There were several PhDs in the office. I think they were from the USA and may have been in Canada to avoid the draft (this was late ’70’s). They (and my husband) were all living the dream of self-actualization –getting dropped of on remote mountains by helicopter, taking float planes to remote lakes. I was friends with my husbands boss, who didn’t work, but also had a PhD.

        But my friend who lived across the street from us was a prole as you can get. She was about 1/4 Indian (feather). She bragged about the fact that she had shop-lifted most of her daughter’s toys. The natives have special fishing privileges and they were able to catch a lot of salmon from a local river. However they were not supposed to sell it–it was to be for their own use. She would obtain this salmon from relatives and try to sell it to us.

        Rosenmops

        May 23, 2018 at EDT pm

    • Proles have to deal with the truth in order to survive. SWPLs and other upper class types can indulge in bullshit because they have the money to buy themselves out of any situation where the truth rears its head.

      njguy73

      May 23, 2018 at EDT pm

    • “Why is it prole to see truth for truth?”

      It’s not, and I disagree w/Lion here, but I think the point is that our society is built on so many bullshit myths, and these myths only serve a certain kind of upper middle class bullshit leftist, so if you come from outside that grouping, you are more likely to call bullshit on it.

      gothamette

      May 23, 2018 at EDT pm

  6. Political orientation towards acceptance of reality is like a foreign language… past a certain age you can learn it, but it doesn’t really “take” internally, and everyone knows you’re faking it.

    It works both ways. It’s why the fake opposition from Supreme Court Justices all the way down to twitter scribes, with their Accela-corridor upbringings and Ivy pedigrees, are able to function inside the beltway and don’t really care when Conservatives lose. And it’s why otherwise nice guys like Charles Murray will always be vilified.

    Portlander

    May 23, 2018 at EDT am

  7. I am one of the great living Dissident Right thinkers (or, at bare minimum, have delusions of grandeur), although since my only media are blog comments and Discord, many are unfamiliar with my work. I wonder if my background qualifies as prole. My father made a very healthy living working white collar for a big corporation, but my parents lived quite modestly (families with more than 1 car seem weird to me) in an all-white, mostly Catholic (although we are Protestant) neighborhood in a big flyover city (not the suburbs). My grandparents all had blue collar jobs. My parents & siblings & I have always had aspirational-Brahmin-oriented tastes, but are very solidly vaishya in terms of employment. I always thought of our family as the very definition of the middle class; does it now turn out that we were proles all along?

    Greg Pandatshang

    May 23, 2018 at EDT pm

    • Are you Indian? IME upperclass, wealthy Indians are some of the most sneering, thin skinned snobs I have ever encountered, and they seem totally oblivious to their knee jerk, all pervading condescension.

      I’m not saying this in a nasty way, just pointing out the incongruity of an upperclass indian wondering if he’s prole. lol.

      toomanymice

      May 23, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Nope, old-school, rock-ribbed white Protestant, mostly 19th century immigrant stock. I meant brahmin and vaishya in Moldbug’s terms. Sorry, I completely forgot that would make no sense to anybody who hasn’t read the relevant Moldbug.

        I should be so lucky to be a high-class Indian! That kinda lux just ain’t for us.

        Greg Pandatshang

        May 23, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Your whole indian schtick is definitely prole. It betrays a lack of understanding of what kind of assumptions about others knowledge will actually impress people vs just come off as trying too hard.

        Magnavox

        May 23, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Funny that, I always had Greg pegged as Indian as well.

        Roli

        May 23, 2018 at EDT pm

      • In addition to forgetting that not everyone has read their Moldbug, I also forgot – because I’ve been using this internet alias for so long and I selected it under different circumstances – that anybody might read something it. It was neer intended to dupe people into believing I’m really a nonwhite minority type.

        Greg Pandatshang

        May 24, 2018 at EDT am

      • “It was neer intended to dupe people into believing I’m really a nonwhite minority type.”

        Not that there’s anything wrong with being a nonwhite minority type. That is, as long as you don’t have body odor and don’t blame whitey for all your problems.

      • You aren’t going to rule on whether I count as prole or not? Maybe it’s too much burden to place on one man’s shoulders to adjusticate all cases. Might consider starting an lotb-branded, crowdsourced class rating site, proleornot.com. Or maybe there’d be more money in a reality show, Prole Court. The inner circle of lotb commenters could serve as the jury.

        Greg Pandatshang

        May 24, 2018 at EDT pm

  8. Peterson is a NWO shill.
    https://archive.fo/8zMNU
    Peterson is an example of attempting to lead your opposition.

    NotWesley

    May 23, 2018 at EDT pm

  9. I think the same. He is brainwashing himself into being a Christian and he must have read René Girard books, because he borrows a lot from him.

    Besides, I think he has unresolved contradiction . He publicly have a stance on individualism and against group identity but most of his implicit arguments are HBD.

    He also have a strong link/debt to Jewish people who kick started his career while being in denial of ethnic interest and politics because of his stance (sure it doesn’t work for most. Many Jewish aren’t legacies . Many homosexuals doesn’t benefit from positive descrimination. Some republican wasp like E. Warren do. If you dont’ reach for gold, you don’t get it . But communities are there).

    Then I don’t think he is very serious or industrious but he lives from very high IQ . This IQ is appearing in his 2017 university lecture on personality (20
    Classes) available on YouTube.

    He is one of patreon highest earners being fed 1000k a year by 10.000 persons giving him monthly payments .

    Bruno

    May 23, 2018 at EDT pm

    • That last thing the “alt-right” needs is another Jew hater. It’s good that there are people who are Jew-friendly who believe in HBD.

      • Yes. I don’t advocate for hating Jewish people at all (I like Jewish people !). My point was that as he is completely blind – by some posturing – in group importance, he will says thing like Jewish success is only based and explained by theif +15 IQ points to asian. I believe it’s true to explain the average Jewish family income in the USA (second to Indian only) but not to explain % of some ivies or partnership in law firm and investment banking. Maybe it was a bad example because there are so many Jewish haters that the example distracts from the group argument.

        There is another guy, slower but deeper than Peterson, Brett Weinstein who is very interesting too, in the same area of interest (bit more evolutionary and genetic perspective)

        Bruno

        May 23, 2018 at EDT pm

      • There’s no benefit to Peterson to say more than he did, and he was weirdly enough already accused of being “anti-Semitic” by SJWs.

      • Without the Jews, there wouldn’t be HBD.

        Arthur Jensen: half Jewish
        Richard Herrnstein: Jewish
        Steven Pinker: Jewish
        Hans J. Eysenck: had Jewish stepfather
        Steve Sailer: believes his natural parents have Jewish ancestry

      • It’s more of a matter of convenience.

        Chris Cantwell, a well-known Alt-Right “White Supremacist” is a Trump supporter, but he’s irked about the fact that Trump has Jewish in-laws and is pro-Israel. Trump gets along with a lot of Jews.

        JS

        May 23, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Yes . And besides you find on Rob Unz site (maybe jewish too ?) lots of opinions on this matter. So nobody waits for Peterson lights on this.

        I ve put my dna results on sites that analyse variants for health purposes, and even if I have no Jewish ancestry, I’ve got 18 variants who are tagged on the Jewish file (rare among other people). Maybe it’s due to my being Mena at 6.25 % (5% Middle East and 1.25 Central Asia) .

        Bruno

        May 23, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Peterson doesn’t like being called alt-right. He thinks of himself as a classical liberal, I believe. But he knows all about HBD.

        Rosenmops

        May 23, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Well now that “alt-right” means people who hate Jews, who wants to be part of that besides people who actually hate Jews?

      • Classical liberals always believed in innate intelligence. This was long before we knew about genes.

        Look, people have always noticed that kids look like their parents. They didn’t need to know about genes, they just observed. Humans have been breeding livestock for thousands of years.

        gothamette

        May 23, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Rosenmops, this video makes me think he is a lot of an actor. Each of the elements he presented without structure is a capsule that he knows perfectly because I have already heard him said them. At the same times, he exposes it while posturing like a big thinker – taking some pause for réflexion – while he gives exactly the same pitch in the same form (agressivity, 60/40, top 1% all male, people/thing, etc) sometimes mixing it a bit one the way.

        Still think he is quite clever but quite an actor. I would be ashame to posture like that .

        Bruno

        May 23, 2018 at EDT pm

      • “Steve Sailer: believes his natural parents have Jewish ancestry”

        Sailer hasn’t taken a DNA test?

        Curle

        May 23, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Well it was a rumor, I don’t have the link where he wrote it.

  10. Peterson said he had been very freaked out by the cold war and so dedicated his education to figuring out why it was happening. That search right there will read one to the insane authoritarianism of the left.

    At least it did for me.

    Mrs Stitch

    May 23, 2018 at EDT pm

  11. Vox Day actually read Peterson’s Maps of Meaning and concluded that JBP is quite insane. And, yes, he is a controlled opposition with ties to the UN, George Soros and John Podesta.

    map

    May 23, 2018 at EDT pm

    • This is silly. Peterson is like a Steven Pinker. Will he be inclined to support a Canadian style health-care system over an American-style system? Sure. Will he be inclined to say a welfare state might be needed for people who, through no fault of their own, are cognitively disadvantaged? Yeah, probably. Is he going to throw-in with a white-ethnostate solution to our problems? Highly doubtful.

      As Peterson says the above linked clip, one of the reasons socialists were originally big supporters of IQ tests and standardized testing is because they believed some highly intelligent children were born into poverty.

      His moral/political prescriptions from racial/gender biological differences are probably not going to be as right-wing as the typical commenter here. I’m not sure what you guys want out of precious “HBD.” If we as a society explicitly acknowledge that whites are generally smarter than Blacks… how will that change things? It doesn’t mean Blacks will get deported. It doesn’t mean John McCain is smarter than Barack Obama.

      Vince

      May 23, 2018 at EDT pm

      • If tests are to be believed, one African American out of 6 is more intelligent that half the white. And, if you take mainstream Trump voters you see at rally, that must be around 94 IQ, it means that 25% of African America are more intelligent than average white maga person. And in the USA African black are from quite an elite extraction (Joy Reed) crowd, so they probably are above AA despite coming from countries with 70IQ.

        Bruno

        May 23, 2018 at EDT pm

      • It means fewer racial BS artists will be elevated to positions of social visibility and acclaim. How many times have your thoughts been presented to the world as significant? Much less than Ta Neisi Coats Is imagine and he’s a blathering idiot.

        Social harmony requires stopping the indiscriminate elevation of fools to social prominence and race elevated fools are some of the worst fools.

        Curle

        May 23, 2018 at EDT pm

    • OK, vox is known as right wing from his writings.

      Which builds intellectual capital with target group….check.

      Real deal JP comes out on seen, vox’s real bosses direct vox to attack him.

      Looks like Vox is the Kim Philby of the right.

      Anon

      May 23, 2018 at EDT pm

    • I’ve read Maps of Meaning as well (though it seems most people commenting on Peterson never have). He is definitely not insane. It’s a fascinating book and if Vox doesn’t get it, he just make him loo like another weirdo trying to score points taking potshots at someone in a position they aspire to, but know they can never reach.

      Graf von Jung

      May 23, 2018 at EDT pm

  12. Are bad hair plugs prole?

    bobbybobbob

    May 23, 2018 at EDT pm

  13. Phillip Roth has died, I think Lion reviewed a book or a movie based on his book recently, if I recall.

    Roli

    May 23, 2018 at EDT pm

  14. I like Peterson a lot, but not because he’s an acute political observer; he isn’t. He’s de facto a spiritual leader. His politics are centrist.

    Thing is, he’s part of the broad category of centrists who currently find the left more frightening than the right, so he concentrates his attention on the left. As a result the hardcore left and anybody left-of-centre whose chief concern is left-of-centre unity perceive him as an enemy, so they make YouTube videos and whatnot about how he’s an evil rightwinger.

    Greg Pandatshang

    May 24, 2018 at EDT am

  15. Trump also is very prole. Even though his father was pretty rich, they lived in a prole neighborhood in Queens. Trump was easily interacting with his prole neighbors and absorbed their mannerisms. It would account for his ability to see things straight while the elite have ideological blinkers.

    Charles Murray has really insightful writings about this, stating that the upper classes before the 1960’s either lived in opulent mansions or in houses that were slightly upscale versions of their prole and middle class neighbors. It wasn’t until the rise of the creative class that you started seeing their increasing insularity with purchasing McMansions and the like.

    Red pill aspie

    May 24, 2018 at EDT am


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