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Lion analysis of North Korea summit

This is what Trump and Kim agreed to:

1. The United States and the DPRK commit to establish new U.S.-DPRK relations in accordance with the desire of the peoples of the two countries for peace and prosperity.

2. The United States and the DPRK will join their efforts to build a lasting and stable peace regime on the Korean Peninsula.

3. Reaffirming the April 27, 2018 Panmunjom Declaration, the DPRK commits to work toward complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula.

4. The United States and the DPRK commit to recovering POW/MIA remains, including the immediate repatriation of those already identified.

So in other words, Kim has signed onto the narrative that in exchange for “peace” there needs to be a “complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula.”

And then, today, in a symbolic gesture of peace, Trump called off military exercises with South Korea. This is just a gesture, it would be very easy for the United States to restart military exercises.

Much harder to restart are sanctions, once lifted, and notably there has not yet been any move on lifting sanctions.

This is much better than Obama’s crappy deal with Iran. In exchange for lifting sanctions and unfreezing of Iranian assets, Iran only had to agree to cease certain nuclear activities until the year 2031 (well short of “complete denuclearization”), after which Iran can start them up again, and in the meantime Iran is allowed to continue to fund Shiite terrorists throughout the Middle East. And that’s a case where Obama held all the military leverage, the United States could have taken over Iran as easily as we took over Iraq.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

June 12, 2018 at EST am

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  1. Lol ok, Obama who actually accomplished a real deal consisting of more than just words did worse than Trump who got completely owned by china on trade in exchange for some mutually agreed upon pleasantries (and got manipulated by Israel into backing out of the Iran deal).


    And that’s a case where Obama held all the military leverage, the United States could have taken over Iran as easily as we took over Iraq.

    That about sums up the level of intelligence of this post.

    Magnavox

    June 12, 2018 at EST am

    • The Iran Deal was a massive slush fund for global elites and black ops that simultaneously, but covertly, allowed Iran to accelerate — not stall — its nuclear weapons program. This will all come out and more.

      Andrew E.

      June 12, 2018 at EST am

      • Sorry to say that not everyone find’s Netanyahu’s cartoon bomb illustrations as convincing as you do.

        Magnavox

        June 12, 2018 at EST pm

      • Magnavox

        June 12, 2018 at EST pm

      • Magna, don’t make me laugh now. Iran is openly stating that it’s goal is to wipe Israel off the map and Obama’s White House never found that convincing either.

        Yakov

        June 12, 2018 at EST pm

      • Uranium One. Uranium diverted to Iran/Syria for weapons development. Will come out.

        Andrew E.

        June 12, 2018 at EST pm

    • “Lol ok, Obama who actually accomplished a real deal consisting of more than just words did worse than Trump who got completely owned by china on trade in exchange for some mutually agreed upon pleasantries (and got manipulated by Israel into backing out of the Iran deal).”

      How do you manage to be wrong in almost every post you make? Are you playing a character or are you actually just an idiot?

      Anon

      June 12, 2018 at EST am

    • Magna, that was funny, but I think Lione had just slipped. Lion, you didn’t really mean it, mate, did you?

      Yakov

      June 12, 2018 at EST am

      • Iran is nothing. All it would take to beat Iran would be to bomb their oil production. As a bonus, it would cripple China’s economy since they’re the biggest importer of Iranian oil. The problem with attacking other countries isn’t beating them but stabilizing them afterwards. And we could easily do that, as well. But that would require us to do harsh and politically unpopular things that would be criticized. For example, executing the family of anyone supporting the resistance.

        destructure

        June 12, 2018 at EST pm

    • I’m going to go with the opinion that neither deal seems to have accomplished much of anything yet.

      The Iranian deal included some half-assed nuclear inspections. This deal doesn’t even include that much.

      As Magnavox suggests, Iran is a much tougher military target than Iraq. 2x the population, 4x the area with rougher terrain, and less reliable neighboring countries to invade from. Might need to invade from the Persian Gulf, which would be a nightmare.

      There might have been the political will to invade Iran instead of Iraq in the early aughts, but the U.S. will probably never have that will again, unless maybe Iran can be linked to a nuclear attack on us.

      We could bomb them into the stone age, but there’s also not political will for that.

      There probably is political will for a half-assed bombing and/or cruise missile campaign. So that’s the real threat Obama held.

      Wency

      June 12, 2018 at EST am

      • “The Iranian deal included some half-assed nuclear inspections. This deal doesn’t even include that much.”

        There hasn’t been a North Korean deal yet, just a framework for a future deal.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        June 12, 2018 at EST pm

      • There was a North Korea deal, the Agreed Framework, back in 1993. It’s utter failure at preventing North Korea from obtaining nuclear weapons is why, we need to start negotiating now from a weak position.

        massivefocusedinaction

        June 12, 2018 at EST pm

    • Not long after the deal with Iran, Iran proceeded to take 10 US Navy sailors hostage. This “real deal” as you say was more of a submission.

      Stilicho

      June 12, 2018 at EST pm

  2. Next to me, there is an hostage taking place …. the guy wants to speak with Iranian. I can’t move. I was having a coffee in Rue des Petites Écuries … It can’t be as bad as last time, when I was crossing the street minutes before the shooting .

    Bruno

    June 12, 2018 at EST am

    • We have been able to leave now. I was blocked in a coffee during one hour but people were quiet. Don’t know’if it’s finished .

      Bruno

      June 12, 2018 at EST am

  3. Dennis Rodman goes MAGA: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAJLJRRJY3E

    So now there are two black “role models” who are openly pro-Trump: Dennis Rodman and Kanye West.

    PrinzEugen

    June 12, 2018 at EST pm

    • Also Mike Tyson and Don King. What a team!!

      GondwanaMan

      June 12, 2018 at EST pm

    • Fucking based!

      Greg Pandatshang

      June 13, 2018 at EST am

  4. This feels like a Nixon going to China moment and exactly what Trump is thinking too. Remember, Nixon opening China led to the current globalization disaster America is facing. I bet in 30 years we find out the corporations wanted this for cheap labor and a place to dump all the money they have been printing. Any deal that has been made has been made months ago.

    NotWesley

    June 12, 2018 at EST pm

    • North Korea isn’t China. Small country, less than 1/50 the population, North Korea will not be the next superpower the way that China is.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      June 12, 2018 at EST pm

      • A place like N. Korea is still going to require trillions to bring it up to South Korean levels. This will act as a money sponge from all that printed money floating out there. East Germany’s population was 16.5 million in 1989 and N. Korea’s is 25 million and N. Korea is starting out at a lower point, economically, than East Germany.

        NotWesley

        June 12, 2018 at EST pm

  5. “And that’s a case where Obama held all the military leverage, the United States could have taken over Iran as easily as we took over Iraq.”

    This is a joke, right?

    Tanturn

    June 12, 2018 at EST pm

    • Why is that a joke? Bush always planned to take over Iran after taking over Iraq, but the political willpower dissolved.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      June 12, 2018 at EST pm

      • I think the joke part is the ‘as easily’ qualifier. I mean, just for starters, look at a map. Iran is bigger. And it’s got mountains. Even just on a sperg nitpicking level, there’s no way it was (or is) an ‘as easily’ type proposition.

        Which might be part of why the ‘political willpower dissolved.’ Face it Lion, it was and is a Shah too far.

        CMC

        June 12, 2018 at EST pm

      • It’s a joke because the US did not actually take over Iraq. We managed to depose Sadam but utterly failed in imposing our will on Iraq. Nothing highlights our failure more than the fact that for years American civilians in country had to hunker down in the Green Zone behind walls and weaponry. When we took over Germany or Japan Americans were free to walk around those countries pretty much at will and with no risk of being hurt within a year of conquest. We never accomplished that in Iraq, the insurgency kicked our ass.

        Peter Akuleyev

        June 12, 2018 at EST pm

      • It’s a joke because the US did not actually take over Iraq.

        The mistake was leaving Iraq as a Democracy instead of imposing a pro-American dictator on the population like Eisenhower did in the coup against Mossadeq. And, yes, Iran became a Soviet ally in 1979 when the Shah fell. But there were only 10 years left in the Cold War. While the Shah was in power Iran was as valuable an ally as other NATO-allied Muslim dictatorships such as Mubarak’s Egypt, Turkey, and Saudi Arabia.

        The Undiscovered Jew

        June 12, 2018 at EST pm

  6. If Obama had even gone to N. Korea there would have been hackles of outrage from the usual suspects. And if this “framework” were his “accomplishment,” it would have been met with unceasing mockery.

    https://nowthisnews.com/videos/politics/fox-news-different-reactions-regarding-negotiations-with-north-korea

    Vince

    June 12, 2018 at EST pm

  7. I think Kim Jong-un sees Trump as a callous but rational actor like Mao Zedong who doesn’t care how many Americans die as long as he wins. At worst, North Korea could score a one-in-a-million hit and take out Los Angeles or San Francisco. Kim figured that would deter someone like Obama, but Trump wouldn’t have cared. That gave Trump the leverage he needed.

    Sid

    June 12, 2018 at EST pm

  8. North Korea has agreed to denuclearization before, in 1985, 1992, 1994, 2005, and 2007.

    Why would we think this time is different?

    Ken

    June 12, 2018 at EST pm

    • Because Trump’s nuclear button is way bigger than Kim’s. And sanctions are killing North Korea’s economy. It’s logical for Kim to make a deal.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      June 12, 2018 at EST pm

  9. I hope this post is a joke or a parody. It is embarrassing for someone that blogs about IQ all the time to put up something so uninformed.

    MikeCA

    June 12, 2018 at EST pm

    • You have no room to criticize.

      Anon

      June 13, 2018 at EST am

  10. I remember someone commenting on this blog that Trump is better than Obama at dealing with despots because of his blunt, prole language and understanding of what it is people really want, rather than mouthing empty platitudes about equality and justice.

    I thought of it today when I heard Trump saying that he had told Kim that the North Korean beaches he had seen would be perfect for hotels and tourism. This is the kind of comment that only Trump would have made, to any other Western leader it would have seen crudely capitalistic and shallow, and not condemning and judgemental enough of such a brutal dictatorship. Personally I found it refreshing and honest and far more likely to encourage the North Koreans to better themsevles.

    prolier than thou

    June 12, 2018 at EST pm

  11. “So in other words, Kim has signed onto the narrative that in exchange for “peace” there needs to be a “complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula.””

    1985 – North Korea signed the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty.

    1992 -North Korea signed the Joint Declaration of the Denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula with South Korea.

    1994 – North Korea signed the Agreed Framework promising to stop plutonium production.

    The Agreed Framework mostly holds up till 2002 when US discovered North Korea was enriching uranium, which was not covered by the Agreed Framework. US withdraws from Agreed Framework. North Korea kicks out international inspectors, restarts plutonium production and withdraws from the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty.

    2005 – As part of the Six Party Talks North Korea agrees to abandon nuclear weapons program.

    The verification details are never worked out and agreement falls apart.

    2007 – Six Party Talks produce a declaration that North Korea will abandon nuclear weapons program again.

    Again verification details are never worked out and agreement fails.

    2012 – North Korea agrees to suspend nuclear tests, uranium enrichment, and allow inspectors, in exchange for food aid.

    Two weeks later North Korea announces plans to launch a satellite and US cancels agreement.

    MikeCA

    June 12, 2018 at EST pm

  12. Lol oh yeah Shite’s are the ones destabilizing the Middle East..

    Let’s talk about taking over Iran when we can settle Iraq/Libya. Both were among the peak of the living standards in middle east before the US got involved.

    Kaz

    June 12, 2018 at EST pm

    • Lol oh yeah Shite’s are the ones destabilizing the Middle East.

      Those Shiite missiles being fired into Saudi Arabia are obviously Mossad built..

      Both were among the peak of the living standards in middle east before the US got involved.

      Iran was at its peak when it was American aligned under the Shah. After the Islamic Revolution, Iran’s living standards fell because they became an anti-American terrorist state allied with the Soviet Union.

      The Undiscovered Jew

      June 12, 2018 at EST pm

  13. And then, today, in a symbolic gesture of peace, Trump called off military exercises with South Korea. This is just a gesture, it would be very easy for the United States to restart military exercises.

    Yes.

    In a second Korean war the overwhelming majority of land fighting would be done by South Korea. They have 500,000 troops deployed along the DMZ whereas US Forces Korea number around 25,000.

    If Kim needs to sell a real denuclearization deal at home without losing too much face we can, in exchange, offer to reposition US Forces Korea to existing bases on Japan without leaving the South too vulnerable since we would, if needed, still be able to back up the RoK army with American air and naval assets immediately.

    The Undiscovered Jew

    June 12, 2018 at EST pm

  14. To understand what is going on, you need to understand what North Korea means by “denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula.” Of course it means NK giving up its nukes and the USA removing any nukes it has in South Korea (the USA says it currently has none) It also means no US ships carry nuclear weapons can enter Korean waters.

    But in past negotiations NK has an even more expansive definition. NK argues that US troops in South Korea are protected by US nukes, so all US troops must leave South Korea. Further if South Korea has any defense treaty with the US, then South Korea is protected by US nukes. South Korea and US must nullify all defense treaties and the US must promise to not come to the aid of South Korea.

    Who knows what North Korea means now, but that expansive definition is one of the reasons past negotiations have failed.

    MikeCA

    June 12, 2018 at EST pm

  15. What’s crazy is that almost nobody talked here in France of this Youssef taking hostages during 4 hours and he had them sprinkled with gasoline as all the building hall …. Some papers say he was a lunatic and it’s not terror related . I guess hostages felt differently . I wonder how many such acts are unreported when they are no death .

    Bruno

    June 13, 2018 at EST am

  16. The far-lefties in the media are apoplectic but since Reagan adopted the Libertarian approach, this is how it’s done. North Korea has a lot of libertarian fans that have been driving the regime nuts . Trump is on-track IMHO.

    The next step is normalizing diplomatic relations and freer trade/travel agreements, and preparing the old dictator retirement village in Hawaii for the North Korean elite. Think Cuba, PI, and the fall of the Iron Curtain.

    I look forward to the Trump Casino chain in North Korea followed by North Korea’s entry into the US defense perimeter.

    Robert

    June 13, 2018 at EST am

  17. “take over Iran was easily as we took over Iraq”?? 2 trillion dollars, 5,000 dead was “easy”? Iran, a country 3 times the size of Iraq with a better military and a fanatical population (if we invade) would be easy??? Are you effing insane?

    wj2016

    June 14, 2018 at EST am

    • My apologies in advance if this was parody.

      wj2016

      June 14, 2018 at EST am


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