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Reverse Flynn Effect!

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/dumb-and-dumber-why-we-re-getting-less-intelligent-80k3bl83v?shareToken=71d4d4f9088c8598f2c12d53b074039f

The IQ scores of young people have begun to fall after rising steadily since the Second World War, according to the first authoritative study of the phenomenon.

The decline, which is equivalent to at least seven points per generation, is thought to have started with the cohort born in 1975, who reached adulthood in the early Nineties.

I was always of the belief that the notion that people were getting smarter is bogus. People are doing better on IQ tests because they are being trained to take timed multiple-choice tests with tricky questions, whereas in earlier generation such a test was novel and unexpected. This doesn’t mean that people are smarter in general.

But finally we see that the effects of dysgenic breeding (low-IQ people having more children than high-IQ people) are showing up in IQ testing, as was always predicted by the genetic model of intelligence.

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This is actually old news, there was a study published in 2015.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

June 12, 2018 at EDT pm

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  1. Left-liberal explanations of this trend: poor nutrition, poor education due to right-wingers’ cutting school budgets and promoting an “anti-science” attitude, and the psychic distress of young people living in a society with so much racism, gun crime, and toxic masculinity.

    Mainstream cuckservative explanations of this trend: poor nutrition, poor education due to teachers’ unions and left-wing agendas in the curriculum, and kids unable to learn because they’re coddled snowflakes who need safe spaces.

    Hermes

    June 12, 2018 at EDT pm

    • Also cuckservative: God was taken out of the classroom.

      GondwanaMan

      June 12, 2018 at EDT pm

      • True, that is a common mainstream conservative complaint, but it’s usually offered in connection with things like school shootings. I don’t know if they would use it as an explanation for declining IQ. And frankly, on the school shootings issue, I know this blog tends toward the secular, but it’s hard to see how the loss of a shared, communal, transcendent belief about the meaning and purpose would not contribute to disaffection and alienation.

        Hermes

        June 13, 2018 at EDT am

      • “I know this blog tends toward the secular, but it’s hard to see how the loss of a shared, communal, transcendent belief about the meaning and purpose would not contribute to disaffection and alienation.”

        I agree that belief in a religion, even though completely false, can provide society level benefits as you point out. We need to create a new religion that provides the benefits of Christianity without the dumb stuff that’s obviously fiction.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        June 13, 2018 at EDT am

      • “We need to create a new religion that provides the benefits of Christianity without the dumb stuff that’s obviously fiction.”

        This religion already exists: Ray Kurzweil’s Singularity.

        Thomas

        June 13, 2018 at EDT am

      • without the dumb stuff that’s obviously fiction.

        Expand your mind and re-examine your priors.

        Andrew E.

        June 13, 2018 at EDT am

      • As a believing Christian, who also enjoys reading this blog, it’s not that hard. Christians make various accommodations to the “crazier” stuff.

        There is a need for craziness/imagination/myth that is deeply rooted in the human psyche. What is the day with much the highest church attendance? Easter, where we celebrate that a man came back from the dead and walked around for 40 days. That’s as crazy as you can get. But people want to hear it. And on some level they believe it. They come to church to hear it. (Yes, some come becuase it’s societally approved to go to church on Easter, but nowadays that’s much less true than it used to be.)

        One of the most profound things that Jesus said is “You shall know the truth and the truth will set you free.” This is the exact opposite of the social-justice-warrior position, which is “you shall believe the things that liberals want you to believe, despite the evidence of your own eyes.” That is why I can read this blog appreciatively. So much of what it says is true. I see clear evidence of HBD.

        I also try to follow Jesus’ words to “love your neighbor.” I don’t think that all my “neighbors” are the same. I don’t think the races are the same. i don’t want to live surrounded by people who are a different race than I am. But I can still be appreciative of the good people of every race.

        Christianity is complex. Both liberals and conservatives often want to reduce it to a caricature of itself.

        amused observer

        June 13, 2018 at EDT pm

      • “One of the most profound things that Jesus said is ‘You shall know the truth and the truth will set you free.’ ”

        You mean the unknown author of the fictional Gospel of John wrote that.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        June 13, 2018 at EDT pm

      • That’s another way to put it. The saying is profound. People have an easier time relating to Jesus than to your description. Jesus is a very powerful image.

        amused observer

        June 13, 2018 at EDT pm

      • ‘One of the most profound things that Jesus said is ‘You shall know the truth and the truth will set you free.’ ”

        Don’t make me laugh now. All religions say that.

        Obviously, love thy neighbor and turn the other cheek are referring to individual attitude and when appropriate, no state can follow these principals and survive.

        Yakov

        June 14, 2018 at EDT am

  2. The dumb shall inherit the earth.

    Oswald Spengler

    June 12, 2018 at EDT pm

  3. it’s only in norway. whoop-dee-do.

    and the paper you link to says: However, evidence from recent studies points towards a decrease of the Flynn effect globally or even a reversal in some countries.

    wise leader kim jong un

    June 12, 2018 at EDT pm

  4. But Lion, it says in the article that the study “shows quite clearly that children are getting lower scores than their parents.” So it doesn’t have to do with diversity or low IQ parents reproducing more.

    Johnbeck

    June 12, 2018 at EDT pm

    • We you have to start with the fact that 50% of studies cant be reproduced. So it a coin flip from the start,
      The factor in it was a study done by a couple of economists- do they really have the brainpower and incentives to correctly attribute causation?

      I am suspect of a article that announces that something “shows quite clearly” and therefor no one should think about of investigate a possible explanation. Could we at least get an N and an R score?

      How many instance do we actually have where we know the IQ of the parents of the ’75 cohort, which was the high watermark. From the article they knew the data for men who reported (at 18) between 1970 and 2009. If that is the case then they had no data about the parents of the ’75 cohort.

      And, apparently there is zero information about the IQ of the mother.

      The economy really didnt pick up until the oil production and price spikes in the late ’70’s. Isnt it possible that there was a disproportionate migration out of the high IQ people who had more opportunity in other countries from the earlier populations? Likewise there is now a inbound immigration that has changed the population demographics. The article tried to assure us that isnt an issue but they dont present any data to show the values are the same between the two groups.

      Lion o' the Turambar

      June 12, 2018 at EDT pm

  5. The study claims it’s not caused by higher fertility among dumb people because the IQs are are also declining within the same families. And, while I’m sure that’s true, it doesn’t mean dumb people aren’t having more children and dragging the average down. On the contrary, it means there are two things dragging the average down. One is dumb people having more children and the other is some unknown factor that affects everyone.

    One could speculate on that unknown factor. Perhaps it’s pesticides, vaccines, environmental pollution or even the epigenetic affects from oral contraceptives. It could also be linked to too much time indoors watching tv and playing video games. Or perhaps it’s even linked to obesity. My guess is that, whatever it is, it’s linked to declining sperm counts.

    destructure

    June 12, 2018 at EDT pm

  6. The study compared IQs of children to their parents, so dysgenics would seem to be ruled out unless there’s a flaw in their methodology. One question would be their treatment of single or remarried mothers.

    I wonder if later age of births might be a factor.

    “Using administrative register data with information on family relationships and cognitive ability for three decades of Norwegian male birth cohorts, we show that the increase, turning point, and decline of the Flynn effect can be recovered from within-family variation in intelligence scores. This establishes that the large changes in average cohort intelligence reflect environmental factors and not changing composition of parents, which in turn rules out several prominent hypotheses for retrograde Flynn effects.”

    Wency

    June 12, 2018 at EDT pm

  7. I wouldn’t put too much faith in one study reported one the kind of site that illustrates articles with stills from Jim Carey films. But I’m all for eugenics.

    Magnavox

    June 12, 2018 at EDT pm

  8. 7 points per generation? That is huge. But if this is data from the UK I can believe it:

    DataExplorer

    June 12, 2018 at EDT pm

    • LOL nice find but those girls are attractive & look very affluent.

      I bet not a single one of them was less than upper middle class.

      redarmyvodka

      June 12, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Well the accents certainly aren’t upper middle class. But nowadays you cant be certain because the working class teens want to talk posh and the middle class teens want to talk common.

        DataExplorer

        June 13, 2018 at EDT am

  9. Mutation accumulation.

    Every adult has mutations in there genes as they age which they pass down to their children. On average the mutations have a negative impact on IQ since they are random. Historically, the winnowing process of natural selection was the positive force the combated the negative force of mutation accumulation, but not anymore.

    gs

    June 12, 2018 at EDT pm

    • >> Mutation accumulation.

      Yep. There is nothing that we can do about this. The human species is doomed. We will become Elois.

      Daniel

      June 12, 2018 at EDT pm

    • Mutation accumulation.

      The decline in this study was too large and fast to be the result of mutation accumulation. On average, a man acquires two new mutations every year. So a 60 yr old man has twice as many mutations as a 30 year old man. But the number of mutations is still so small compared to the total number of genes that the effects would be negligible. It might show up in statistics. For example, the rate of a certain genetic disease may be 5 in a thousand for the kid with the 60 yr old dad compared to 2 in a thousand for the kid with the 30 yr old dad. That would be an increase of 150%. But you’re still only looking at 3 more kids in a thousand.

      We will become Elois.

      Just as long as it’s the Elois from 1960 and not the 2002 remake.

      destructure

      June 12, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Speaking of mutation accumulation. Genes don’t evolve in isolation but as part of co-evolved gene complexes. In other words, genes aren’t only selected to work in a particular environment but to work with a particular genome. Therefore, mixing combines a lot of genes that didn’t evolve to work together. Genes that may be normal and healthy in one population become genetic pollution in another. It’s like mutation accumulation on steroids. That’s why mixed people have much higher rates of genetic diseases and especially mental illness.

        destructure

        June 12, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Youth cancer rates continue to skyrocket, too. Cancer is now the #1 killer in the USA. The changes are too fast to be driven by “mutations” or heredity. Look at the skyrocketing autism rate, too. It’s way too fast a change to be genes.

        Something environmental is degrading the youth.

        bobbybobbob

        June 12, 2018 at EDT pm

      • bobby — The thing about cancer deaths is misleading. Cancer deaths may be the #1 killer but not because the number of people dying from cancer is increasing. Cancer deaths are actually declining. It’s just that deaths from cardiovascular disease which had previously been the #1 killer declined faster.

        https://www.cnn.com/2016/08/24/health/leading-causes-of-death-2016-heart-disease-cancer/index.html

        Childhood cancer rates have increased by a large percentage. But it’s not as bad as it sounds because the numbers were very small to start with. Therefore, it wouldn’t take a large increase in actual numbers to produce a large percentage. But, yes, it’s too fast a change to be genes.

        https://www.webmd.com/news/breaking-news/cancer-strikes-a-small-town/20161020/childhood-cancer-rates-rising

        PS: I didn’t even know adult cardiovascular and cancer deaths were decreasing or that childhood cancer rates were increasing. That’s why I looked it up. It surprised me and I wanted to see what was going on. Thanks for bringing it to my attention.

        destructure

        June 13, 2018 at EDT pm

      • There’s a hint in the article that it’s Hispanic kids exposed to farm chemicals.

        The key takeaway is that childhood cancer is very rare, so it may be that only a small percentage of kids are exposed to some risk factor and not the general population.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        June 13, 2018 at EDT pm

  10. Assuming household income is a good proxy for intelligence, conscientiousness and other characteristics that determine good prosocial behavior of societies greatest contributors, I haven’t seen anything that better exposes our society’s determination to fuel a dysgenic future.

    Hat tip: https://twitter.com/toad_spotted/status/1005086347894370304
    Also check out Spotted Toad’s blog if you haven’t seen it yet. He’s been cited by Douthat and other opinion making elites

    Under the motto, “Hey Hey Ho Ho, Western Civ has got to go!” multiculti enthusiasts have been trying to bury the contributions and the cultural canon of deadwhitemales as assiduously as they’ve been trying to replace stalepalewhitemales from positions of power and the population in general. Already since 2016, “babies of color” have made up the majority of births in America, so the vibrant future is already here no matter how immigration policy changes. The trajectory is clear. America’s brown future is guaranteed.

    https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2016/07/01/484325664/babies-of-color-are-now-the-majority-census-says

    We’ve all seen those line graphs with demographic projections about America’s future racial composition, perhaps more important than plotting a graph that merely shows America’s brown future, would be to use the different fertility rates by household income & intelligence to show future of America as a majority morons.

    I’m probably to the left of many of you on that infamous intelligence Bell Curve, but maybe some of you few remaining smarties could plot this graph that shows when the morons take over?

    Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta

    June 12, 2018 at EDT pm

  11. Actually if you read the article, they argue that the Norwegian study shows that it is not dysgenic breeding that is causing the decline in IQ scores.

    Almost all young Norwegian men are required to perform national service and are given standardized IQ tests. A study compared young men’s IQ scores with their fathers IQ scores and found those born in 1991 scored 5 points lower than those born in 1975.

    If you read the whole paper you find that IQ researchers talk about crystallised intelligence and fluid intelligence. Most IQ tests mainly measure crystallised intelligence, which is fostered by a more traditional education. It is possible that changes in environmental factors and education methods are responsible for the change in IQ test scores without there being any real change in “intelligence”.

    MikeCA

    June 12, 2018 at EDT pm

    • MikeCA–yep, that’s my read. Another shining example of an invalid study looking at something different with the same name.

      They change the IQ test and, wonder of wonders, the score level changes as well.

      Robert

      June 13, 2018 at EDT am

  12. 7 IQ points per generation would be very noticeable. Does Norway have a sudden shortage of young doctors or lawyers who are able to pass the medical boards or bar exams?

    fortaleza84

    June 12, 2018 at EDT pm

  13. If society is getting dumber why is technology advancing exponentially?

    toomanymice

    June 12, 2018 at EDT pm

    • Assuming society actually is “getting dumber”. That’s a great question with a couple of simple if non-obvious answers. In a nutshell, past achievements means greater future efficiency. First, fewer people are needed to do what used to take a lot of people; and better techniques allows people to work faster. And, second, the population is continuing to increase even though the fertility rates are dangerously low in the developed world. All of these would result in productivity momentum which would continue or possibly even accelerate for a while even if people were getting dumber.

      destructure

      June 13, 2018 at EDT pm

  14. OT but somewhat related, I visited Seattle this last week—from Vancouver Canada where I live and found the differences between the two cities just fascinating. The two should by all measures be very similar, they have many similarities in fact, ethnic demographics, size, geography and of course their very SWPL/liberal culture and outlooks both are known for. But no matter how you look at it, on relative terms Seattle is just grimy, it has an oppressive industrial feel to it and looks worn out. And it wasn’t just the city, the people too were different. Without putting too fine a point in it, Caucasian Canadians generally just come across as better put together than their US counterparts, but the gap between Caucasians populations in these two cities is just yawning. It’s hard to put into words, but on relative terms, middle class Seattleites just lack the refinement you take for granted in middle class Canadians. It’s weird because as I mentioned, the two cities have similar ethnic demographics and by any metric, Seattle is far wealthier, with a much more highly developed economy, than Vancouver’s. I personally don’t have a horse in the race, I’m indian and hold both cities in high esteem, but figured this forum is the kind of safe space to actually discuss such matters.

    Roli

    June 12, 2018 at EDT pm

    • I’ve been saying 100 times that Canada is a nicer country for ages now.

      Compare high crime Manitoba and Saskatoon to Anchorage, Alaska.

      Sift through Lion’s archives to get a comparison in pictures.

      When were Americans ever finesse, maybe pre-1960?

      Again, Meriproles might be wealthy AND>>>?

      JS

      June 12, 2018 at EDT pm

    • Seattle forgets that Vancouver exists. It’s actually very strange. I lived in Seattle for years, and my local cable television provider offered a number of international channels: NHK (Japan), two or three CCTV channels from China, TV5 (France), DW (Germany), etc., but no CBC or CTV. People from Seattle would spend an occasional weekend in Victoria, but Vancouver was essentially never mentioned by anyone ever.

      Both cities have some surprisingly rough edges. There is a tremendous concentration of wealth around Lake Washington, but Seattle has some seedy pockets and some very seedy suburbs. Meanwhile, greater Vancouver features a vast grid of weirdly crowded and unappealing urban sprawl. “Grimy” is a word I would use for both cities, but urban planning has made them feel very different.

      On the whole, Americans look terrible. That is true all over the country. It would be hard for Canadians or anyone else to look worse than we do.

      SQ

      June 12, 2018 at EDT pm

    • Paul Fussell would say it’s prole drift. And I think there’s something to that. But there was also a deliberate effort beginning in the 60’s and 70’s to undermine culture, morality, class, etc and replace it with leftist garbage. And, since the leftist had the media, they had control of the culture.

      Regardless, 90% of Canadians live within 100 miles of the US border. So one would think that whatever affects the US would affect Canada as well. If there’s a difference then why?

      destructure

      June 13, 2018 at EDT am

    • I’m on the opposite side of North America and frequently go to Canada. I’m going to be honest here; the Northeast is shabby, run down and just plain trashy in comparison to both Quebec and Ontario. Upon moving up here, I was shocked to discover that most of the towns and small cities are outright dumps, with middle class whites living in rickety, creepy looking houses that would be considered poor in the South.

      Canada is a different story. North of the border, communities are far more aesthetically pleasing, and the people dress better (I’m guilty of looking like a slob myself, so none here without sin). Homes and lawns are prettier and better maintained.

      Stealth

      June 13, 2018 at EDT am

      • Francophone Canada is prettier than Anglophone Canada and Anglophone Canada is prettier than Meriprolestan, most likely there is a French induced element in all of Canada.

        The Anglosphere is a barbaric entity — I just call it a flea market where there is money to be made and people are angry over deals, haggling…

        It’s quite interesting that I’ve encountered a few Eastern Asiatics who were from the other side of the Northern border and they said America is a better country for them. Is it because of the sole purpose of money making deals? America is by far the only country that reminds you of the Monopoly board game.

        JS

        June 13, 2018 at EDT am

      • “I’m going to be honest here; the Northeast is shabby, run down and just plain trashy”

        That’s pretty much my impression as well. There’s more money in the Northeast but the quality of life and aesthetics are terrible. And the people generally aren’t very nice, either. I’m not saying I’m any nicer. But I’m a terrible reference point for reasons I’ve previously discussed.

        destructure

        June 13, 2018 at EDT pm

      • “There’s more money in the Northeast but the quality of life and aesthetics are terrible.”

        It costs so much more to live up here that the higher salaries don’t really make a difference. As far as the standard of living goes, I am astonished that decent neighborhoods in the only remaining “true” Southern states (MS,TN,AL,LA,AR) are much nicer looking than they are in the Northeast. Very few people down south build a two-story house and then cover it with vinyl siding or something that looks like it. How absurd that is. Yet as far as I can tell, all the houses built here in the last thirty years are exactly that. There are older brick houses where I live, so presumably these people know they exist; why would they want to build houses that are guaranteed to look grungy in ten years?

        Stealth

        June 13, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Francophone Canada is prettier than Anglophone Canada and Anglophone Canada is prettier than Meriprolestan, most likely there is a French induced element in all of Canada.

        The Anglosphere is a barbaric entity — I just call it a flea market where there is money to be made and people are angry over deals, haggling…

        It’s not the entire Anglosphere; it’s just the United States. Britain and Australia are both nicer places than the United States, and while I haven’t been to Australia, I dare say that Melbourne and Sydney are both more than equal to Montreal aesthetically. That indicates that they at least recognize the value of beauty in construction. While I don’t like it that those countries have abolished free speech and gun ownership, they do have public health care. The US stands alone. Something is uniquely wrong with our country.

        I wouldn’t say that anglo Canada being prettier than the US is necessarily due to the influence of Quebec. I think your opinion in such matters is rooted in prejudice.

        Stealth

        June 13, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Thank for you stating what I’ve thought for years as well. The northeast looks dead and or dying like its been sapped of all its energy/vitality. I don’t know much about New England which I understand is better but the New York/New Jersey/Pennsylvania region is bad. Virginia by contrast was much nicer and pleasant. However the western frontier/west coast has been the core of America for two centuries now and it remains that way today.

        redarmyvodka

        June 13, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Yes northeastern housing looks creepy & the people are equally unfriendly.

        I think the Italian/Irish prole element is very strong there hence the bad vibe.

        redarmyvodka

        June 13, 2018 at EDT pm

  15. Americans lack critical thinking skills or what one calls deep thought in layman’s terms, hence the lack of astuteness and sophistication in American society.

    I’ve came to the conclusion that we don’t need any more higher IQ people in a society such as ours. All capitalists need are human slaves and machines that rinse and repeat.

    Commenters here most probably don’t find any pleasure engaging the average joe and jane during happy hour, because mainstream society circle jerk between work and frivolous pleasure. The higher thinkers like to analyze society as intellectuals, but that isn’t fun to the most people.

    JS

    June 12, 2018 at EDT pm

  16. God..damn, Lion.. anymore of this and I say sub-120. Please, make it stop.

    1) Flynn effect doesn’t rly exist in many subtest, i.e. block design and short-term memory are near constant for over a century

    2) 7 pointsper generation on any real IQ test is simply impossible

    you should now this, if above 120…. or…. maybe… ur running a tabloid

    bombexpert

    June 13, 2018 at EDT am

  17. One occasionally reads on the Internet about how the Americans freed themselves from the tyranny of George III and British rule, but Canada, Australia, New Zealand are by many accounts far better places to live, indeed possibly the best places in the world to live, and they are to this day oppressed by Her Majesty The Queen and her evil henchman Prince Philip.
    The USA is a bit like Afghanistan in this regard. the Afghanis take great pride in the fact that they defeated the British, unlike the Indians, but look at the social, political and economic state of Afghanistan now compared to India, Pakistan and Bangla Desh.

    martin2

    June 13, 2018 at EDT am

    • Leaving British rule allowed the US to become a superpower that now masters the mother country, so it’s not like Afghanistan at all. Furthermore America’s root problem is that unlike AUS/CAN/NZ it has a large black population, which is the source and catalyst for all sorts of endemic problems in American life. That community was created under British rule, and was actually worse under their governance: blacks were 20% of the American population in the 1700s but only 13% now. Jamaica has even more blacks than America and thus is a much crummier place to live, despite being under the rule of Queen Elizabeth. You’re not matching cause with effect here. Afghanistan sucks because it’s full of tribes with roughly equal ability that hate each other, and it would be how it is Britain or not. Communities find their level.

      Richard

      June 13, 2018 at EDT am

      • Back in the USSR America was the symbol of freedom, not Canada, Australia or New Zealand, which were all great in their own right.

        Yakov

        June 14, 2018 at EDT am

    • Canada has far smaller percentages of minorities. It is still a 90% White country.

      map

      June 13, 2018 at EDT am

    • Canada, Australia and New Zealand are indeed great places to live. But they haven’t been “under British rule” since the Balfour Declaration of 1926 and Statute of Westminster 1931. #KnowingStuffIsFun

      destructure

      June 13, 2018 at EDT pm


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