Lion of the Blogosphere

Abortion will never be left up to the states

I see this over and over again in the comments, that a repeal of Roe v. Wade “only” means abortion will then be left up to the states.

This is totally deceptive. Abortion is too important for Congress to ever leave this up to the states. If Democrats control Congress (which they don’t) they would enforce mandatory access to abortion, and if Republicans control Congress (which they do), they would face some pretty strong pressure from the anti-abortion Right to make abortion illegal everywhere.

There is no way, in the long run, or even the medium run, that this issue would be left to the states to decide.

As I said in the comments, I’m not sure that the conservatives on the court want to repeal Roe v. Wade. But if they do, it would be bad for America if abortions become illegal; abortions are keeping the population of people with less desirable genetics in check. This is because women with high IQ and high future-time orientation rarely get accidentally pregnant in the first place. Rightists have this dumb idea that Juno is the typical person getting an abortion, and that’s a completely fake narrative. The most typical women who gets an abortion is an unmarried black woman who collects welfare and already has at least one kid.

I previously pointed out that poor black women have a twelve-times higher abortion rate than middle-class white women

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

June 28, 2018 at EDT am

Posted in Libertarianism

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  1. For all intents and purposes abortion access already hinges on a state by state basis. Some states have restrictive legislation designed to make it especially difficult to operate abortion clinics; there are any number of states with only 1 or 2 clinics, and between travel, mandated wait times, insurance/ medicaid not covering the procedure, limits on gestational age (which varies state to state) the process makes it difficult for women. Even women wanting to terminate due to fetal defects have to navigate through this.

    Whatever eugenic microcosm abortion might create is dulled by the dysgenic impact of birth control and reproductive rights in general. Women consciously and unconsciously know the impact of their sexual choices can be mitigated, eliminated, or avoided altogether. Women with strong FTO will employ these strictly while dumber women will be haphazard If they bother at all. And religious types will eschew it entirely. The net result is society gets dumber and more religious, and the dynamic between the genders embittered due to the massive empowerment reproductive medicine grants women. Women hold all the power from the onset of sexual contact (‘consent’) to total power over life and death if she ends up pregnant (the father has no legal say concerning abortion).

    toomanymice

    June 28, 2018 at EDT am

    • It’s a bit spiteful, but I am looking forward to seeing the Left get crushed by a tidal wave of ultra-religious people who couldn’t care less about their man-hating white-hating nonsense.

      fortaleza84

      June 28, 2018 at EDT am

      • Are you talking ultra-religious as an Amish or Hasidic Jews? Because more mainstream conservative religious groups like evangelicals, Conservative Catholics, and even Mormons are pretty cucked. To echo Otis in the other thread, evangelicals and Conservative Catholics want us to be awash in blacks and Hispanics, and are pretty much on board with gynocentrism. Mormons are more implicitly white oriented, though not explicitly so, and I believe they’re pretty white-knightish too.

        Hermes

        June 28, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Cause its not like black and hispanic religion is all about social justice and expropriating more resources from whites or anything like that.

        Magnavox

        June 28, 2018 at EDT pm

      • I have some theoretical schadenfreude too, but chances are it will be muslims, not evangelicals who put them against the wall.

        toomanymice

        June 28, 2018 at EDT pm

  2. I fully agree with you regarding the eugenic effects of abortion, and I support abortion rights for that reason.

    Besides, there are now too many Supreme Court precedents supporting sexual freedom and privacy to allow any Court, regardless of political leanings, to overthrow Roe v. Wade. You might as well imagine a Court allowing (Protestant) school prayer, or school segregation (a de facto reality), or ending affirmative action, or overturning the Voting Rights Act.

    Moreover, since Griswold v. CT (1965), there is no Constitutional basis for the regulation of any sex act between consenting adults. In fact, the left’s to-do list includes legalization of prostitution (standard in the EU), legalization of polygamy and polyandry, legalization of pedophilia (viz. NAMBLA), and legalization of bestiality. A conservative Supreme Court might actually permit prostitution and polygamy/polyandry. A liberal court would likely permit all four, unless some animal rights doctrine were invoked.

    Not all lefties support all of the agenda. Many feminists oppose prostitution and polygamy (also polyandry?). How that comports with a woman’s right to control her body is unclear. Only a few, as of now, support pedophilia. But pedophilia is the favorite crime of the Ruling Classes everywhere. The grooming scandals in Britain are all about providing children to the elites in Parliament and the Civil Service and the Military. In this country, Pizzagate might actually be real, regardless of what Google thinks.

    If God favors the good, Ginsberg will die this summer, and give Trump another seat to fill.

    bob sykes

    June 28, 2018 at EDT am

  3. You don’t think a court that can and should dispense with the pnenumbra argument won’t also dispense with the commerce clause claim.

    Sorry, abortion doesn’t affect interstate commerce, not within the authority of Congress. A repeal of Roe could and should be part of a roll-back of commerce clause over-reach.

    Curle

    June 28, 2018 at EDT am

    • “Sorry, abortion doesn’t affect interstate commerce,”

      Wrong, it has long been established that everything healthcare can be regulated by the federal government.

      Furthermore, even for Second Amendment cases where it made a lot of sense to say it was a power reserved to the states, the conservative justices didn’t go there. So no, I don’t see anyone on the Supreme Court creating a rule that the federal government can regulate every single aspect of healthcare except for abortion.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      June 28, 2018 at EDT am

      • “,it has long been established that everything healthcare can be regulated by the federal government.”

        It has been established until it is disestablished, you dodged my question (offered w/our the question mark). The court’s on an Administrative State roll-back. Commerce clause roll-back can and should be part of that agenda. Health insurance is already mostly regulated by state insurance commissions.

        Curle

        June 28, 2018 at EDT am

      • And like I said, I see no clue that the S.Ct. is even thinking about moving in the direction of creating spheres that belong only to the states.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        June 28, 2018 at EDT am

      • From majority in South Dakota v Wayfair, just decided:

        “If it becomes apparent that the Court’s Commerce Clause decisions prohibit the States from exercising their lawful sovereign powers in our federal system, the Court should be vigilant in correcting the error. “

        https://reason.com/volokh/2018/06/21/stare-decisis-and-judge-made-law

        The wheel is turning.

        Curle

        June 28, 2018 at EDT am

      • It’s implicit if not explicit if you read the case and understand the law that Congress could CHOOSE, at any time, to not allow States to tax out-of-state merchants.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        June 28, 2018 at EDT pm

  4. Liberals use abortion as a scare issue, like they are doing now, and conservatives use it to capture single-issue fanatics. Most people more or less agree with the trimester system we have now. Most wouldn’t support a “ban” unless you go by the liberal definition of “ban” which is where the government doesn’t pay for it.

    Steverino@steverino.com

    June 28, 2018 at EDT am

  5. Once people get used to something, it’s hard to get rid of it (see: Obamacare). Not being a lawyer, I don’t understand how a state like California can severely restrict gun liberties but another state can’t do the same thing with abortion.

    Brendan

    June 28, 2018 at EDT pm

  6. You can buy mail-order abortion pills. Abortion will be readily available, whether legal or not.

    Murder is a state crime. I don’t see how abortion could become a federal crime.

    Roger

    June 28, 2018 at EDT pm

  7. As long as it requires 60 votes in the Senate to outlaw abortion or to require access to abortion I doubt that Congress would be able to do something about this. Bob Casey, Joe Donnelly, and Joe Manchin are all pro-life Democratic Senators. Susan Collins and Lisa Murkowski are Republican Senators that would not vote to make abortion illegal. There would certainly be pressure on both Democrats and Republicans to act, but I doubt they could muster the votes do actually do it.

    My feeling is most Republicans don’t really want to see Roe v Wade overturned, because it would put pressure on them to outlaw abortion at the state level and the national level. There is also going to be pressure to restrict access to birth control or outlaw some forms completely. These issues could weaken support for Republicans among white women. Support is already dropping among college educated white women and it may drop among white working class women too.

    MikeCA

    June 28, 2018 at EDT pm

    • “My feeling is most Republicans don’t really want to see Roe v Wade overturned, because it would put pressure on them…”

      And the Supreme Court justices are smart enough to see this which is why I’m not betting on Roe being overturned or any abortion cases being taken at all.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      June 28, 2018 at EDT pm

      • I doubt that the Supreme Court will be able to duck this issue for very long. Pro-life groups are already lining up cases to give the court a chance to overturn Roe. I expect one or two states to try outlawing abortion soon to give the Supreme Court a case it cannot avoid.

        Most people do not remember, but when Kennedy was put on the Supreme Court many people expected him to be the vote to overturn Roe. In the 1992 Planned Parenthood v. Casey case, Kennedy defied expectations and voted to uphold Roe. Three Republican appointed judges, Kennedy, Souter, and O’Connor wrote the opinion upholding Roe in that case. Anti-abortion activist felt they were betrayed by those judges. They have now forced Republicans to do much closer scrutiny of judges records and opinions.

        Samuel Alito was on the Third Circuit Court of Appeals panel that ruled on Planned Parenthood v Casey and he voted to uphold all the restrictions in that law so he is probably a vote to overturn. Neil Gorsuch does not have any clear case history on the issue. Roberts did decline to join Clarence Thomas concurring opinion in Gonzales v. Carhart (2007) calling for Roe v Wade to be overturned, so Roberts is not eager to overturn Roe. Anti-abortion activist will be really angry if Trump gets another justice approved and the court still refuses to overturn Roe.

        MikeCA

        June 28, 2018 at EDT pm

  8. Roughly half the population says they’re pro-choice and the other half pro-life. But the real difference is in how one defines those terms. Half the pro-choice people support access to abortion but oppose full and unrestricted access such as partial birth abortion. On the other hand, half the pro-life people actually support access to abortion during the first trimester for rape, birth defects, etc.

    In other words, half of the pro-life and pro-choice people are largely in agreement and hold the same moderate position. The other half is about evenly spit between extremists on both sides who want total access or a total ban. It should be obvious that neither party is willing to piss off 75% of voters just to satisfy 25% of the population even if that 25% comprise half of their most ardent supporters.

    Abortion is going to stay EXACTLY like it is because more people want it that way than want either of the alternatives. Politicians are caught in the middle of trying to use it to fund raise while not wanting to do anything about it.

    destructure

    June 28, 2018 at EDT pm

    • “Abortion is going to stay EXACTLY like it is because more people want it that way than want either of the alternatives.”

      75% of people want less immigration, but Congress gives us more immigration. Abortion could become the same thing, except with conservatives dominating instead of pro-immigration extreme liberals.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      June 28, 2018 at EDT pm

      • There are lots of big industry lobbyists with deep pockets pushing immigration. Abortion doesn’t have that.

        destructure

        June 28, 2018 at EDT pm

  9. Average Japanese person has a higher IQ than any non-East Asian or Jewish American, correct?

    There abortion rate is over 5X higher than the average American. Me thinks Lion needs to get out of his NYC white bubble more before saying things like this:”This is because women with high IQ and high future-time orientation rarely get accidentally pregnant in the first place.”

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2723632/

    Dragon Horse

    June 28, 2018 at EDT pm

    • That’s looking at the abortion ratio of ADOLESCENTS, not adults.

      I think there are three things happening here.

      1. It’s a huge shame in Japan to be a single mother, but it’s socially accepted here so fewer abortions.
      2. Japanese girls probably have less access to birth control (not necessarily legal access, but less knowledge about it because sex is less talked about there). Japanese youth are EXTREMELY naive about sex compared to Americans.
      3. There is no evangelical Christianity in Japan, so they may simply see abortion as a good form of birth control. In Soviet Union, free abortion was the primary means of birth control. I think in the U.S., a lot of the Christian craziness rubs off even on secular women, so they try to avoid getting pregnant by using birth control. Whereas in Soviet Union, pregnant, no big deal, free abortion!

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      June 28, 2018 at EDT pm

      • That’s ridiculous. Abortion is an invasive surgical procedure, which therefore carries the risk of infection and other risks. High-IQ, high future time orientation people know that it’s much better to just use contraception.

        Hermes

        June 28, 2018 at EDT pm

      • abortion kills the soul.
        only complete repentance resurrects the soul.
        so there’s that.

        No Japanese women do not get a pass because they are supposedly ignorant of the truth, we are all human and we all know that the innocent must be protected.

        howitzer daniel

        June 29, 2018 at EDT am

    • I too believe lion has a false impression of the kind of woman getting abortions. One of my husband’s employees, white, highly educated, has repeatedly maxed out the insurance limit for abortions which I believe is three per year. I’ve met countless highly educated people who either had abortions or whose girlfriends had abortions for the sake of her career track. The black abortion rate might be something of an outlier because they have population clusters in abortion friendly states where medicaid covers the procedure. Either way the supposedly eugenic nature of abortion is at best speculative.

      toomanymice

      June 28, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Lion totally ignores the second order social effects widespread abortion have had over longer time scales. He myopically focuses on what poor dumb people are doing this very instant. If abortion were illegal, people would change their sexual behavior over time back in the other direction. Women wouldn’t feel so free to slut it up (too risky), resulting in more formation of families. There would be fewer single mothers. Even poor black women would change their behaviors. They behave the way they do now in substantial part because of the availability of abortion.

        bobbybobbob

        June 28, 2018 at EDT pm

      • I would bet good money: if you factor medicaid/ vs private insurance/ vs out of pocket coverage for the procedure, it would become painfully clear abortion is dysgenic.

        toomanymice

        June 28, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Contraception in general is clearly dysgenic. I don’t see why abortion in particular would be any different.

        bobbybobbob

        June 28, 2018 at EDT pm

      • There is no eugenic effect. The kind of people having abortions are the planners who should be having kids. The kind of people giving birth are those who think babies just happen or who don;t want to be alone or who think their mothers will be around to help out.

        map

        June 29, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Again, totally false. Did you bother to look at the post where it was explained that poor blacks have an abortion rate that is TWELVE TIMES higher than middle class whites?

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        June 29, 2018 at EDT pm

  10. But this is not the question, the question is whether it is a murder or not and murder was never something left for states to decide. If it is indeed a murder the fact that it helps somehow with demographics is not relevant.

    Hashed

    June 28, 2018 at EDT pm

  11. why can’t the US solve the abortion, gun debate or border issue this way: allow it in one state. Just one.

    See how many ppl move to a state where abortion or guns are illegal. Or one state where only whites can immigrate to or nobody at all.

    Why must 50(!) free states all have the same policy. Why not just give ppl one alternative. You can use separate states for these one issue experiments.

    If they keep complaining afterwards, while not moving there, you know they weren’t sincere.

    Maciano

    June 29, 2018 at EDT am

  12. Lion,

    This is the problem. Abortion is not controlling the population of minorities. That is because the government will help them have as many children as they want. Abortions purpose is to steadily grind at the white population. Leftists know that abortion is not affecting the number of minorities increasing in the US.

    map

    June 29, 2018 at EDT pm


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