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Negative partisanship

http://www.people-press.org/2017/10/05/8-partisan-animosity-personal-politics-views-of-trump/8_04/

43% of Republican and “Lean Republican” voters vote Republican not because they are “for what the Republican Party represents” but because they are “against what the Democratic Party represents.”

How I would put it is that there’s this big class of voters out there that hate the out-of-control SJWism of Democrats, but at the same time they don’t get very enthused about the main Republican platform of outlawing abortion and giving tax cuts to the rich.

It’s these voters who Trump won, and the mainstream Republican Party is still pretty clueless. They wish Trumpism would go away and they can return to talking about abortion and more tax cuts.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

June 28, 2018 at 11:36 AM

Posted in Politics

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  1. Should mention that numbers for Dems are pretty much identical.

    Jeremy Cooper

    June 28, 2018 at 11:42 AM

  2. The Republicans are slowly coming around/being purged. The party is vastly more Trumpy today than it was even 1 year ago.

    Otis the Sweaty

    June 28, 2018 at 11:49 AM

  3. Lion, does trump have the right to keep out whoever he wants from the country or not? Is the” Muslim ban” acceptable because its not really a Muslim ban and is plausibly related to legitimate national security interests or is it OK because the law clearly states the president can keep out whoever he wants?

    Magnavox

    June 28, 2018 at 1:01 PM

    • It has not been determined. We really do need a Constitutional Amendment to make clear that Islam isn’t protected by the First Amendment.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      June 28, 2018 at 2:05 PM

      • If Islam isn’t protected then hundreds of other ideologies, some of the main hardliner Republican tenets are not protected, are we really going to go down that line?

        Kaz

        June 28, 2018 at 2:30 PM

      • I thought the ban was on countries not a religion.

        Mrs Stitch

        June 28, 2018 at 5:46 PM

      • It makes much more sense to just say that foreigners don’t have any rights.

        And rather than a constitutional amendment pursue reform through the clear power that the Constitution gives the legislature to regulate the federal courts appellate jurisdiction. Congress has the authority to wholly or partially abolish judicial review, to require super majorities or unanimous decisions, etc.

        Magnavox

        June 28, 2018 at 6:07 PM

    • The 1st amendment has nothing to do with it. The president might technically not have the power to order a Muslim ban because the current laws also have language about anti-discrimination. I’ll worry about technicalities like that when we have a judiciary that isn’t systematically biased against Trump and his policies.

      Greg Pandatshang

      June 28, 2018 at 2:28 PM

  4. Nobody votes FOR anyone, they vote AGAINST the other.

    Jeez

    June 28, 2018 at 1:08 PM

    • Trump was the only time I voted FOR someone…of course I was also voting against Hillary.

      Jay Fink

      June 28, 2018 at 3:38 PM

      • Trump is the only candidate I ever voted FOR as well. I had to hold my nose to pull the lever for McCain and the Bush’s.

        destructure

        June 28, 2018 at 5:02 PM

      • correction: I was a kid when Bush Sr ran. So I never voted for that putz.

        destructure

        June 28, 2018 at 5:51 PM

      • Wow you are a lot younger than I thought.

        I voted for Reagan, against Dukakis, against Clinton, against Clinton, against Gore, against Kerry, against Obama, against Obama, for Trump.

        Unlike the lying Bushes, Trump wants (like Reagan did, years ago) Roe v Wade to be overturned. Good times!

        howitzer daniel

        June 28, 2018 at 11:44 PM

      • “Trump wants (like Reagan did, years ago) Roe v Wade to be overturned.” But Lion is saying Trump’s appeal to disaffected voters is that he doesn’t care about abortion. I agree with you that Trump is not much of a populist, he is just giving the evangelical right what they want. That’s why I consider Trump a failure. Enjoy America after Roe v Wade gets overturned. We’ll be 70% black and hispanic within a generation. Talk about cultural suicide…

        Peter Akuleyev

        June 29, 2018 at 7:53 AM

      • Peter Akuleyev: Trump, like me, is not going to be around in 30 years or so, people our age just try to set things going in the right direction. He may have one or two grandkids more than me, but this is just as much my country as his, and 100 years from now his descendants may or may not be more numerous in this land than mine …..

        I assume that a USA where the abortion of healthy fetuses is again criminalized, as such things are in any decent society, will also have these features:

        the death penalty for rape is brought back, there will be a few women who abort the child who is a product of rape, none of them will be prosecuted, and there will be thousands of executed rapists … do the math, that is a world that used to exist , still exists in many ethnic neighborhoods, and might exist nationwide again … the crime of rape might functionally disappear nationwide, just as it has almost functionally disappeared in certain rich neighborhoods….

        lower class and middle class parents will no longer be able to access (i.e., steal) steal money from the government to pay for the upbringing of children they abandon…

        and, as now, the nicest parts of the country will be inhabited by the rich and powerful. They may be a very pro-life bunch 30 years from now, and they will believe that whoever lives in the nicest places have the right to live there. they are not going to be any nicer to you for your pro-choice views than they would be if you were pro-life ….

        howitzer daniel

        June 29, 2018 at 11:34 PM

  5. Best Synthesis I have seen anywhere.

    Their will be a Radical Center.

    Anon

    June 28, 2018 at 1:16 PM

  6. I don’t think your takes accurately capture larger social trends. Socialism peaked under FDR and has been in a secular downtrend ever since. Decade after decade the democrats lose ground in state houses and the congress. Their upswings in popularity are weaker and weaker. Graph it out and the trend is clear: lower highs and lower lows.

    Lower taxes and smaller government *DO* sell well. You are wrong about this. It’s the fundamental reason the democrats have been importing socialist voters in bulk and going nuts with the SJW-ism. You have the causality exactly backwards.

    bobbybobbob

    June 28, 2018 at 2:45 PM

    • Lower taxes sell well but smaller government doesn’t, at least not in practice. Government spending keeps going up, under demorcrat and republican alike.

      Magnavox

      June 28, 2018 at 6:09 PM

      • Financed by debt. Eliminate cheap financing and small gov becomes popular again. Basically people don’t have to be adults right now, they can have their cake and eat it to.

        Paul Ryan's Sickly Old Lap Dog

        June 28, 2018 at 11:17 PM

    • Poll after poll shows that most Americans support Democratic policies and dislike Republican policies. Republican success has been partly demographic – Democrats have crowded into cities and coasts and Republicans are spread out. Because we have a Federal system and the electoral college rural and small town Republican votes get a lot more weight than urban/suburban Democratic votes. The Republicans have also been much better at the ground game, putting judges in place and gerrymandering. The other problem the Democrats have is their politicians – in a vacuum most Americans prefer the economic policies Democrats are selling, but they don’t want to buy it from unpleasant women like Clinton or Pelosi, and whites don’t want to vote for minorities. Trump at times seems like he is trying to sell Democratic policies but as an alpha male. At other times, on tax cuts, abortion, etc. he just seems like a bog-standard Republican.

      Peter Akuleyev

      June 29, 2018 at 8:00 AM

      • If I polled 50 democrats, 30 republicans and 20 independents, then I will always get popular support for Democratic policies.

        map

        June 29, 2018 at 2:42 PM

  7. I am definitely one of the guys who vote Republican because the identity politics from Democrats make me nauseous. If Clinton in 1992 were running again, he’d wholeheartedly have my vote.

    DdR

    June 28, 2018 at 2:53 PM

    • If the Bill Clinton of 1992 were running in 2020, he wouldn’t get the Democratic nomination. He’d be denounced as a backsliding cracker fascist with a penchant for sexual harassment.

      Oswald Spengler

      June 28, 2018 at 3:39 PM

      • Bill Clinton signed NAFTA and gave the norks nuke tech. He also sold military secrets to China and robbed social security to create the illusion of a budget surplus.

        At least he fucked interns. Traditional masculinity and all.

        Paul Ryan's Sickly Old Lap Dog

        June 28, 2018 at 11:19 PM

      • “gave the norks nuke tech” – well that’s specious. The Norks stole that from the Russians and Chinese years earlier. Also, who cares? It’s North Korea.

        Peter Akuleyev

        June 29, 2018 at 8:02 AM

      • @Paul Ryan’s Sickly Old Lap Dog

        Clinton famously didn’t F any interns. That’s why he felt he wasn’t lying when he said he “didn’t have sexual relations with that woman”

        ScarletNumber

        June 30, 2018 at 4:49 AM

  8. “We love him for the enemies he has made.”

    General Edward S. Bragg, nomination speech for Grover Cleveland at the Democratic National Convention of 1884.

    Oswald Spengler

    June 28, 2018 at 10:27 PM


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