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When your child is a psychopath

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https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/06/when-your-child-is-a-psychopath/524502/

One of the best reads this week. (And a rare Atlantic article that has nothing to do with bashing Trump.)

Psychopaths not only fail to recognize distress in others, they may not feel it themselves. The best physiological indicator of which young people will become violent criminals as adults is a low resting heart rate, says Adrian Raine of the University of Pennsylvania. Longitudinal studies that followed thousands of men in Sweden, the U.K., and Brazil all point to this biological anomaly. “We think that low heart rate reflects a lack of fear, and a lack of fear could predispose someone to committing fearless criminal-violence acts,” Raine says.

The psychopath is the total opposite of someone like Elliot Rodger. As I previously explained, Elliot Rodger had extreme high neuroticism (one of the so-called “Big Five” personality traits, but really the most important trait after Introversion-Extroversion). I also remind you that kids with extreme high neuroticism are commonly misdiagnosed as having Asperger Syndrome.

Extreme high neuroticism is obviously bad, but what happens when someone has extreme low neuroticism? The result is not as good as one might think, it would appear to be one of the key components of a psychopathic personality.

Psychopath Carl explains how he enjoyed hurting his mother:

I remember when I bit my mom really hard, and she was bleeding and crying. I remember feeling so happy, so overjoyed—completely fulfilled and satisfied.

Psychopaths can be placed into two buckets: (1) those so unable to control their urges that they end up in prison; (2) those who develop a “cognitive morality,” meaning that they still don’t care about whether or not people get beaten up or killed, but they understand it’s to their personal benefit not to do that.

I have an issue with the goal of the people in the article to turn type 1 psychopaths into type 2 psychopaths. At least the first type is safely locked behind bars, while the second type is set free to do evil.

Carl was “rehabilitated” and had his own funeral home business (a great occupation for people who aren’t disturbed in the least by dead bodies) and a wife and a kid, but then when the reporter went to visit Carl, he was in prison again for domestic violence. Seems to me that Carl’s wife would have been a lot better off if Carl had been kept locked away his whole life. Carl probably also rips off his customers while he fakes empathy for their loss.

Psychopaths do not get truly rehabilitated, they just learn how to control it enough so that the evil they do doesn’t get them put back in prison.

PUAs would surely tell us that women like psychopaths because they confuse their fearlessness for confidence, and confidence is confused with having high social status.

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July 12, 2018 at EDT pm

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  1. “When she was about 20 months old, living with foster parents in Texas, she clashed with a boy in day care. The caretaker soothed them both; problem solved. Later that day Samantha, who was already potty trained, walked over to where the boy was playing, pulled down her pants, and peed on him.”

    She was training to be Donald Trump’s girlfriend when she grew up.

    Peter

    ironrailsironweights

    July 12, 2018 at EDT pm

  2. “When your child is a psychopath….”

    ….he’ll end up a regular commenter on Lion of the Blogosphere …..(sorry, Lion, I couldn’t resist!)

    Maryk (the g-loaded Guidette)

    July 12, 2018 at EDT pm

    • Nah, we’re a bunch of lone whacko fruitcakes, but not psychopaths! We punch walls, not people.

      gothamette

      July 13, 2018 at EDT am

  3. Good summary. In mainstream psychology, psychopathy is a multi-dimensional personality trait and is recognized as a personality disorder (although it’s usually diagnosed as anti-social personality or narcissistic personality disorder). Like for most PDs, therapy does absolutely nothing to improve the symptoms, and if anything just makes psychopaths better at being covert.

    Apparently psychopathy also correlates strongly (negatively) with Honesty-Humility in the HEXACO personality inventory. The previously popular Big 5 personality inventory didn’t include H-H because it overlaps somewhat with a number of traits particularly neuroticism and agreeableness) and the factor analysis techniques didn’t identify it separately…

    GondwanaMan

    July 12, 2018 at EDT pm

    • Anti-social PD is basically the Type 1 psychopaths. Narcissistic PD is basically Type 2.

      GondwanaMan

      July 12, 2018 at EDT pm

    • I never heard of the Hexaco before. I just took it and not surprisingly am above average in honesty-humility. I knew I was far from being a psychopath. The most interesting thing from my results is I am in the top 10% for being fearful yet in the bottom 10% of being anxious. I would have thought those two are closely related and most people score similar on both measures…not me. In real life I rarely experience fearfullness because I don’t put myself in dangerous situations…although I did attend a rap concert a few years ago.

      Jay Fink

      July 13, 2018 at EDT am

      • From your comments here, I would have guessed you as being above average in honesty-humility. I took a Dark Triad test a while back and scored ridiculously low in psychopathy and narcissism. Which would probably surprise most people. I know it surprised me!

        https://openpsychometrics.org/tests/SD3/

        destructure

        July 13, 2018 at EDT pm

      • In not particularly surprising news (to me anyway), I am, likewise, not a psychopath.

        snorlaxwp

        July 13, 2018 at EDT pm

      • snorlax — I didn’t think I was a psychopath either. But I was surprised that I scored so low on psychopathy. You scored in the bottom 2% but I actually scored in the bottom 1%. It’s pretty surprising to find out 99% of the population is more psychopathic than me. I’m not exactly a bleeding heart. Then, again, I’ve found that a lot of those supposed bleeding hearts are some of the worst people. Regardless, in hindsight the result kind of made sense. I can be a honey badger when I need to be. But I’d never hurt or take advantage of someone unless they were a really evil pos. For example, I support capital punishment and corporal punishment. But I figure that, in the long run, those things save lives.

        destructure

        July 14, 2018 at EDT pm

      • CORRECTION: “I’d never hurt or take advantage of someone unless they were a really evil pos.” Or to defend myself, family, etc. I’ll do what I have to do.

        destructure

        July 14, 2018 at EDT pm

  4. Yeah, I think there are a decent number of well-adjusted psychopaths out there who cause a lot of suffering.

    fortaleza84

    July 12, 2018 at EDT pm

  5. American society admires the Type II Psychopath. Just look at our politicos and plutocrats.

    JS

    July 12, 2018 at EDT pm

    • the fish rots from the head. american society can only be explained by a preponderance of psychopaths at the top.

      HBD tears

      July 12, 2018 at EDT pm

  6. I read rodgers’ autobiography/ manifesto and saw nothing to preclude aspergers. Whether aspergers is a legitimate diagnosis- for anyone- is another question entirely. Rather than being an autistic disorder it’s arguably a form of ocd (IMO). He was obsessed with blond hair to the point that it crippled his ability to function in the real world. Classic ocd paralysis.

    As far as this article, I’m curious what percentage of these kids are adopted or in foster care. Sadly children put into adoption or the system tend to be mentally unsound, a roundabout dysgenic result of abortion. Many women have abortions because the thought of giving their child away is unbearable, but the more ‘psychopathic’ mothers are able to hand off the child and carry on with life.

    toomanymice

    July 12, 2018 at EDT pm

    • I’m not sure I agree with your opinion of psychopathy and adoption vs abortion. It could just as easily be that the pregnant woman couldn’t bear to kill the kid but knows it would have a better life with someone else. So abortion seems the more psychopathic of the two to me.

      destructure

      July 12, 2018 at EDT pm

      • I feel the same as you, but if you view it purely in terms of ‘maternal attachment’ those with the strongest attachment abort (ironic as it may be). Those who don’t care, at least enough to hand over the child, relinquish for adoption. This is why, post abortion, adoptable children tend to be demented and undesirable, whereas pre abortion infertile couples could take their pick.

        toomanymice

        July 12, 2018 at EDT pm

      • obviously, this is referring only to inopportune pregnancies where abortion vs adoption is the consideration.

        there is likely a subset of single moms who opt for carrying to term over either abortion or adoption to manipulate the ‘baby daddy’ (likewise dysgenic).

        toomanymice

        July 12, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Yeah…im pro-abortion and all, but I definitely see how it could bother a guilt-prone (or maybe even neurotic??) person.

        GondwanaMan

        July 12, 2018 at EDT pm

      • ” Rather than being an autistic disorder it’s arguably a form of ocd (IMO). ”

        That’s a perceptive observation. Maybe the two are linked – my calm cousin has been dx’d OCD, but I think she’s on the autistic disorder spectrum – just over. It is amazing how calm she is, and she has a habit of blurting out bloopers that embarrass people, but she just “doesn’t get it.” Frex, she’ll simply announce, at the dinner table, that she “has to make a bowel movement” and get up, leaving a table of red faces. We’ve given up telling her that it’s TMI.

        She is also the only woman I have ever met who has had a string of one-nighters and feels not one trace of guilt or shame.

        Anyway…. but I also think that lots of borderlines nowadays are dx’d as bipolar, which is a totally different problem, but that’s a different discussion.

        gothamette

        July 13, 2018 at EDT am

    • A number of psychogists have noted strong co-morbidities and genetic overlap between OCD, OCPD, and various autism spectrum conditions.

      GondwanaMan

      July 12, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Ah, makes sense – I read this after posting my comment above.

        gothamette

        July 13, 2018 at EDT am

      • Psychologists aren’t very smart, in general. These are the students who couldn’t be psychiatrists or anything else with more rigorous training. Sure, you will have outliers. But I would treat random psychologists with about the same respect as I would the average social worker and I would hold their academic notes in the same esteem until further proved.

        Autism is equivalent to mental retardation. True Aspergers, which is no longer a thing as of around 2013 or so, is also equivalent to mental retardation. I work with these people professionally.

        OCD, however, is somewhat common in the normative population. Even for people in higher IQ ranges and with jobs to match.

        Sam

        July 13, 2018 at EDT am

      • Trust me, I know plenty of people with advanced degrees in psychology. Most of them are barely in the triple-digits IQ wise. Ironically (or maybe not ironically), IQ is one of the few sorta-legit fields within psychology.

        GondwanaMan

        July 13, 2018 at EDT pm

  7. My mum and me have exactly the same heart beat of 55 pulsation per minutes without having done any sport ever for my mum. That’s low . So I don’t think it’s a sufficient condition supposing it’s a necessary (wich I find dubious too )

    Bruno

    July 12, 2018 at EDT pm

    • How’s your anxiety level? Ever worry or get nervous about anything? Every shy for any reason?

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      July 12, 2018 at EDT pm

      • the psychopath is also explained as having extremely high extroversion. it takes more to stimulate them.

        HBD tears

        July 12, 2018 at EDT pm

      • You talk a lot about people being neurotic. Are you neurotic? Is that why you’re scared of women? They don’t bite, you know. Not unless they suffer from vagina dentata. And that’s very rare.

        destructure

        July 12, 2018 at EDT pm

      • “They don’t bite”

        Like Hell they don’t. Just not the way you expect.

        Curle

        July 13, 2018 at EDT am

      • I get nervous about anything . But it doesn’t shows. People think I am the most flegmatic person. But my hearts get crazy and my belly twist for good or bad. It can be for me or for a person I like.

        But I can’t discard having a component – not psychopathy but something linked – because I can execute projects without emotions. I associate that with my not having imagination, nor episodic memory nor familiarity feelings. That’s makes the mind much more cold than a typical person, wich is a common point with psychopath.
        I known less than you on those matters , so if you have any idea the Lion, I ll take it …

        Bruno

        July 13, 2018 at EDT am

      • “Like Hell they don’t. Just not the way you expect.”

        A real man learns to brush off a lot. It’s called boundaries.

        Then there are love bites. A real man should learn to enjoy them.

        gothamette

        July 13, 2018 at EDT am

    • Macphersons (not my real name) tend to have low resting heart rates. When I gave blood a couple weeks ago it was 46 the first time they measured, which was too low to donate, so I had to wait a few minutes before they measured again and I hit 55. (I play pickup basketball and do powerlift exercises but no pure cardio type activities whatsoever – so it’s not low because I’m a phenomenal athlete or anything.) My dad said he’s had similar results when his heart rate was measured. Maybe psychopathy is somewhat correlated with low resting heart rate but there’s a lot of just ordinary variance in what might be normal for a given person.

      Jokah Macpherson

      July 12, 2018 at EDT pm

    • That’s nothing, my pulse is 48-50 my whole life, but I’m very active. My mom at 94 is 60. She lives on her own without any house help. She is very shy and anxious. I’m the opposite of shy, but sure feel anxiety when justified. Like I’m not always sure that I can do a perfect job. That’s good anxiety. Religion also breeds good anxiety. There is a verse in the Psalms: ‘Fortunate is the man, who is always afraid’. ‘Of what is he afraid?’, asks the Talmud. ‘Of commiting a transgression.’ There is a number of beneficial things to be fearful of in the discussion that the Talmud has in that regard. When it developes into OCD, it stops being beneficial, obviously. Everything should be taken with a common sense approach.

      Yakov

      July 12, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Yes you re right. Sometimes hypothesis are good to follow. For example, with people, if you ask yourself what does he wants and what does he should do to get it, and then you review persons doings and sayings, you sometimes astonished to discover how much you missed in your own story . And if’you make predictions and slightly alter yours, you can check the findings and anticipate a lot. I do that rarely because it bores me. But when I had a feeling stuff were out of control and I had been taken advantage of, I ve been able to clean everything in an extraordinarily ways . Then you see the people who follow the game. They uncover themselves when the environnement has changed to quickly. It’s like an earthquake. Only people who would be faster and wiser than you can rest unmoved but it’s extremely rare because because they are usually in a prominent position wich exposed them by definition. I d love to meet à Diogene but there are not many …
        it’s a pitty one cant stay fine and out of trouble without having to take some action once upon a time (for me , 2 weeks a year is more than enough )

        Bruno

        July 13, 2018 at EDT am

  8. There seems to be a lot of stuff about adoption recently. The Atlantic had something about adoptees, which Greg Cochran picked up. I posted a link to a Mother Jones article that I got from Cochran’s comments. One of the girls in this article is an adoptee.

    About that low resting heart-rate thingie, I have a female cousin who isn’t a criminal but she is quite coldly amoral, and she is a very calm person. I haven’t measured her heartbeat, but it wouldn’t surprise me if it is low. Never gets ruffled. She never thinks of anything or anyone but herself.

    gothamette

    July 12, 2018 at EDT pm

  9. I remember after the Va Tech massacre, someone on some board remarked that there was a time when someone like the shooter wouldn’t have been able to get to the point he did because parents in old days didn’t “talk about Kevin,” they did stuff.

    If they were of the tenderhearted Christian kind, the poster explained, the parents would simply pack them a suitcase, put them on a train, and tell them not to come back. Those kids ended up because the wild people of the West. Or if it was a psychopathic girl, the mother would make her come with her to the river on laundry day, and drown her. A psychopathic boy? One push down the stairs by Father did the trick. The police would simply chalk it up as an accident.

    Make of that what you will.

    njguy73

    July 12, 2018 at EDT pm

    • Sounds like bullshit.

      snorlaxwp

      July 12, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Yeah, sounds like bullshit to me, too.

        What’s not bullshit, and I realize this is off topic, is “ADHD” – in the good old days, kids just ran around a lot more. Without parental supervision. It was considered normal.

        gothamette

        July 12, 2018 at EDT pm

      • In a 1976 study anthropologist Jane M. Murphy, then at Harvard University, found that an isolated group of Yupik-speaking Inuits near the Bering Strait had a term (kunlangeta) they used to describe “a man who … repeatedly lies and cheats and steals things and … takes sexual advantage of many women—someone who does not pay attention to reprimands and who is always being brought to the elders for punishment.” When Murphy asked an Inuit what the group would typically do with a kunlangeta, he replied, “Somebody would have pushed him off the ice when nobody else was looking.”

        https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/what-psychopath-means/

        njguy73

        July 12, 2018 at EDT pm

      • The Australian Aborigines dealt with lawbreakers this way: they would take him out into the outback and stick a spear into his thigh. Eventually the poor schmuck bled to death in a most agonizing way.

        Ya know, the HBD/alt-right sites are full of contempt for these folks because they score badly on IQ tests, but sometimes I think they are much wiser than us smarty-pants.

        gothamette

        July 13, 2018 at EDT am

      • Thank you. No further questions.

        njguy73

        July 13, 2018 at EDT am

      • @gothamette

        No doubt. “Alt-right” white people think that just because someone has an IQ of 100 and another person has an IQ of 85, the IQ 100 person has nothing to learn from the IQ 85 person.

        The truth is, everyone and every culture can do something right, at least some of the time.

        Although I think that Western civilization has better methods at our disposal than the Yupik and the Aboriginals. Why can’t we find the genes responsible for psychopathy and then remove these people from the gene pool by sterilizing them?

        SC

        July 13, 2018 at EDT pm

    • Or did like what the Kennedys did to their child Rose and gave them a lobotomy.

      GondwanaMan

      July 12, 2018 at EDT pm

    • Nowadays they pack them off to the other parent. E.g. Trayvon.

      Mrs Stitch

      July 13, 2018 at EDT am

  10. government by and for psychopaths is called libertarianism.

    HBD tears

    July 12, 2018 at EDT pm

  11. I’ve watched American Psycho a few times, I’m not sure if the lead charcter was a classic psychopath or not—or merely a Hollywood version of one—the movie is still very enjoyable to watch.

    Roli

    July 12, 2018 at EDT pm

    • It’s an even better book.

      Sam

      July 13, 2018 at EDT am

    • I love that movie. What’s funny is that I first saw that movie right after watching the Texas Chainsaw Massacre for the first time. Christian Bales’ character can also be seen watching Texas Chainsaw at one point in the movie…

      GondwanaMan

      July 13, 2018 at EDT pm

  12. “PUAs would surely tell us that women like psychopaths because they confuse their fearlessness for confidence, and confidence is confused with having high social status.”

    Nah, PUAs would tell you that women like psychopaths and that liking “confidence” is the socially acceptable excuse.

    The non-PUAs give you the more convoluted “the poor women are just mistaking psychopathy for confidence” explanation.

    Steve Johnson

    July 12, 2018 at EDT pm

  13. Missed the rough and tumble play window between 2 and 4 years old.

    Anon

    July 12, 2018 at EDT pm

  14. OT/

    The God-King Trump is at it again. Waiting for ResetEra update.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6766531/trump-may-brexit-us-deal-off/

    Curle

    July 12, 2018 at EDT pm

    • It never made sense to pick a Remainer to negotiate Brexit, unless sabotage was the Tory elites’ goal all along. That’s like Trump’s agenda winning in 2016 and then making Jeb Bush the president to implement it.

      Richard

      July 13, 2018 at EDT am

      • It sounded like Boris Johnson was campaigning emptily for Brexit and was surprised when it actually happened.

        Nigel Farage was probably the right kind of person to see Brexit through, but he wasn’t a Tory and left politics once Brexit was voted in.

        And no matter, the end results of Brexit weren’t going to be pretty. Even if Brexit was for the best, it’s going to be a messy macroeconomic disruption. Just how big of one is the question.

        Most Tories understood this and didn’t want to take responsibility for it. Hence, a mediocrity like Theresa May stepped in because no one else was interested, and she understood this would be her one shot of getting to be PM.

        Sid

        July 13, 2018 at EDT am

  15. Lion, are you going to post about the lady who ended up in the trash compactor in Anthony Weiner’s building?

    Tom

    July 13, 2018 at EDT am

  16. Not to brag, but I think I’ve always been better than most at detecting psychopaths. Growing up, I noticed that the people I instinctively disliked, but who were popular with the other kids (or adults), ended up being the ones who were found to have done something criminal or just generally f’ed up later on. On the other hand, maybe others had the same aversion but chose not to express it because of social awareness.

    Georgia Resident

    July 13, 2018 at EDT am

    • I can relate, probably many of the readers of this blog can identify psychopaths and not like them while everyone else is drawn to them.

      Whenever I watched one of those real life high security prison TV shows I realized that if those guys were on the streets and nobody knew of their murder convictions they would be extremely popular, especially with women. They are oozing with self confidence and toxic masculinity. They are the “real men” women complain don’t exist.

      Jay Fink

      July 13, 2018 at EDT am

    • This is pretty common with nerds, autists and extremely socially awkward guys, ie beta males verging on omega. Pure beta males don’t notice psychopaths; the guys verging on omega are overly-vigilant for them because they’re afraid of getting beat up.

      GondwanaMan

      July 13, 2018 at EDT am

  17. There’s Barbara Oakley’s book “Evil Genes.” The author writes that some people are sociopaths, meaning that they’re people will some ‘evil genes,’ and their dark side was unleashed from abusive parenting. If they had received good parenting, however, they probably would have been jerks but useful for society. They’re people who can be surgeons, SWAT team members, etc.

    Psychopaths, however, are people with such a high amount of ‘evil genes’ that they are rotten regardless of how good their parenting is.

    It might be possible to correct budding sociopaths, but truly psychopathic people benefit from therapy in that they learn how to more effectively manipulate people. In the article, one patiebt declares that adherence to the rules helps him get ahead in life. That’s generally true, but most people learn that breaking the rules at opportune moments is what really puts you on top. Morally upright people resist the temptation, but psychopaths won’t.

    The Romans had the concept of “paterfamilias,” which allowed Roman fathers to put their children to death. Maybe I’m a monster too, but it would be better if we had a system in which children diagnosed with chronic callousness could be put to sleep. You can say that’s mean, but we have women on Twitter bragging about how they had abortions. In my opinions, it’s far crueler (if perhaps necessary) to allow women to abort children who would have otherwise grown up into normal people, than diagnosing certain people as being long-term menaces to society, and reduce suffering altogether by putting them out painlessly.

    Ditto pedophiles.

    Sid

    July 13, 2018 at EDT am

    • Convicting someone of “doing” something is a lot less shady than convicting them of “being” something.

      A society that executes children for “being” sociopaths will have no difficulty sending mild mannered office drones to prison for “being” racist. Of course imposing draconian sentences on people with questionable attitudes who haven’t actually committed any crimes yet will be a good way to keep the masses in line.

      MoreSigmasThanYou

      July 13, 2018 at EDT pm

      • I support far stricter, long-lasting punishments for people who showed psychopathic tendencies as children (such as bedwetting, torturing animals, pyromania). That’s compatible with liberal democracy.

        Sid

        July 13, 2018 at EDT pm

      • “I support far stricter, long-lasting punishments for people who showed psychopathic tendencies as children (such as bedwetting, torturing animals, pyromania). That’s compatible with liberal democracy.”

        Liberal and democracy may both be curse words here. Bedwetting is largely a victimless crime, and moreover something that a child has no control over. Pyromania can be a big problem, but if someone exhibited it as a child, and grew out of it, that’s hardly a reason to punish them more severely for an unrelated offense as an adult. Torturing animals is pretty hard to excuse, but again, the time to punish someone for something is right after they did it, not gradually and haphazardly over the rest of their lives.

        Our society seals juvenile records because there’s an understanding that children frequently age out of problem behaviors and family situations. People who were very irresponsible and out of control as children can become very responsible and in control as adults.

        Humans are animals which have an innate understanding of morality. A system that consistently punishes in direct proportion to the offense looks fair, and will be respected. A system which punishes adults more severely if they wet the bed as children looks like a sadistic bullying tyrant, and will not be respected.

        MoreSigmasThanYou

        July 16, 2018 at EDT pm

    • “In my opinions, it’s far crueler (if perhaps necessary) to allow women to abort children who would have otherwise grown up into normal people”

      Why are “conservatives” so stupid when it comes to the topic of abortion? Largely, the children who are aborted by low class women with no time horizon would have grown up to have no time horizon just like their low class mothers. Abortion is largely a self-correcting problem.

      And the idea that abusive parenting “unleashes” the dark side of a sociopath is pure pop psychology nonsense. They are sociopaths because their parents are sociopaths. The abusive parental behavior doesn’t “unleash” bad behavior in the child, the bad / abusive behavior is heritable. You have your causality mixed up.

      Anon

      July 13, 2018 at EDT pm

      • 1. I largely accept abortion as necessary, but it’s far less vicious to put psychopaths to sleep than to have children aborted without knowing who they’d be.

        2. The psychological evidence demonstrates that children with a mild amount of evil genes but good parenting usually end up having some sociopathic characteristics, but aren’t completely rotten. Those with bad parenting become remorseless.

        Psychopaths are people who are evil no matter how good their parents were.

        Try balancing seemingly conflicting ideas in your mind. Abortion can be both necessary but vile. Sociopaths can be the result of nature and nurture, while psychopaths can be the result of nothing but nature.

        Sid

        July 13, 2018 at EDT pm

    • I got news for you: women who have abortions are less likely to have “normal” kids, if by normal we mean IQ 100 or higher, educated, middle income or higher, steadily employed, non-criminal, and mentally stable.

      SC

      July 13, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Statistically I don’t doubt that.

        But we don’t know how any one aborted fetus would have turned out.

        In contrast, we know that some children have no sense of morality and enjoy harming others. If they don’t improve with therapy, then we know they will be a ticking time bomb.

        So honestly, putting Eric Harris to sleep when he was a youngster and before Columbine would have been a lot less unethical in my book than aborting a fetus, even if that fetus probably wouldn’t have amounted to much.

        Sid

        July 14, 2018 at EDT am

  18. Very interesting that there is a strong connection between a low resting heart rate and being a violent criminal. I am the polar opposite of a violent criminal…the most harmless guy ever and my resting heartbeat was so high my doctor put me on a beta blocker.

    Jay Fink

    July 13, 2018 at EDT am

  19. Equating high resting heart rate with high fear would imply that cardiovascular disease cures psychopathy.

    Sam

    July 13, 2018 at EDT am

    • Uh, no. The point is that the two are correlated and thus a low resting heart rate can be an indicator of psychopathy, not that it actually causes psychopathy.

      Georgia Resident

      July 13, 2018 at EDT am

  20. I would think that Funeral Director would be a tolerable job for psychopaths, but that they would be bad at it. Loved ones want the bodies to be treated with respect.

    Sam

    July 13, 2018 at EDT am

    • There’s no specific reason why a psychopath would not “treat a corpse with respect”. It’s just that he would have no pangs of conscience from doing otherwise.

      Georgia Resident

      July 13, 2018 at EDT am

  21. The six factor HEXACO is superior to the Big Five in every way. Specifically, the sixth factor, the H (Honesty-humility) was specifically made to catch the Dark Triad (Tetrad), or psychopathic traits. Low neuroticism (or Emotionality in the HEXACO) doesn’t make one a psychopath, low H does.

    Psychopathic traits are actually typical clannish behavior. See:

    Predictions on the Worldwide Distribution of Personality, by JayMan

    JayMan

    July 13, 2018 at EDT pm

  22. @destructive I am in favor of capital punishment as well and it saddens me that it is hardly ever used anymore. I long predicted the decline of the death penalty. My belief is that the real reason capital punishment has fallen out of favor and has been outlawed in many states is that people like psychopaths and want them to live. Of course this will never be used as an official argument against the death penalty but this is what is going on beneath the surface.

    Jay Fink

    July 14, 2018 at EDT pm

    • I’ve assumed for some time that Catholics were the critical constituency leading to the decline of the death penalty. You’ll notice that the enthusiastic death penalty states are all predominantly Protestant. The first time this sank in was the execution of Ted Bundy. After the deed I suggested a toast to my then Catholic girlfriend and received an education on Catholic death penalty doctrine instead.

      Curle

      July 14, 2018 at EDT pm

      • You are probably right. I like a lot of Catholics that I know but my opinions tend to be the opposite of the Catholic Church down the line.

        Jay Fink

        July 15, 2018 at EDT am

  23. “Psychopath Carl explains how he enjoyed hurting his mother:”

    I was under the impression that sadists enjoy hurting others but psychopaths are indifferent.

    James B. Shearer

    July 14, 2018 at EDT pm

  24. Something doesn’t make sense here, mates. When I was in Rikers, I had a physical and the nurse though that I had a heart problem because of my low heart rate. If psychopaths have low heart rates, she shouldn’t have been surprised. So I dunno. The place was full psychos, obviously.

    Yakov

    July 14, 2018 at EDT pm

    • But was it full of tax cheats?

      Curle

      July 14, 2018 at EDT pm

      • ‘Tax cheat’ has no meaning. The whole tax code us to cheat the people out of their money and to destroy their country. If you are willing to pay taxes for my Tajik to get Medicaid, Food Stamps and Section 8, you are a perfect idiot, sir! Colonies went to WAR not to pay taxes. Refusing to pay unfair taxes is an American trait.

        To answer your question – tax cheats don’t end up in Rikers. Rikers is for Jewish niggers, like myself obviously.

        Yakov

        July 15, 2018 at EDT am


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