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Lion’s eleven-factor model of personality

If other people can pull personality factors out of their *ss and call it a model, then why can’t I do it? I present to you my eleven-factor model of personality:

(1) IQ – How can you describe someone’s personality without mentioning their IQ? You can’t. IQ is the most important personality factor of all.
(2) Sociability
(3) Sensation seeking – This and the above factor replace extraversion.
(4) Neuroticism
(5) Future-time orientation
(6) Logicalness and resistance to persuasion
(7) Creativity and interest in new ideas
(8) Orderliness – I think that this factor and Future-time Orientation above replace Conscientiousness
(9) Honesty
(10) Humility (the opposite is Narcissism)
(11) Aggressiveness

Let me know what you think.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

July 16, 2018 at 11:14 AM

Posted in Psychology

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  1. I’d add clannishness.

    snorlaxwp

    July 16, 2018 at 11:21 AM

    • And also trust (aka credulity).

      snorlaxwp

      July 16, 2018 at 11:22 AM

    • Possibly a sub-factor of “Creativity and interest in new ideas”

      • What? Why?

        GondwanaMan

        July 16, 2018 at 12:18 PM

    • If you’re really clannish it doesn’t matter what your personality is like. I’m talking serious clans, like in Pakistan, where honour killing is practiced.

      To the outside world, you’re a cipher (unless you’re really high up, and that never includes females). Especially in places like Pakistan, where you have to wear a burqa.

      Frau Katze

      July 17, 2018 at 1:35 AM

      • Exactly; that’s why it’s one of if not the most important personality factor.

        snorlaxwp

        July 17, 2018 at 8:07 AM

  2. How about:

    1) Paranoia
    2) Gullibility
    3) Sex drive
    4) Annoyingness/social obnoxiousness
    5) Self-awareness
    6) Self-esteem
    7) Initiative/industriousness
    8) Schizotypy
    9) Sentimentalness

    GondwanaMan

    July 16, 2018 at 11:23 AM

    • 10) Attention-seeking

      GondwanaMan

      July 16, 2018 at 11:51 AM

    • 11) Passive-aggressiveness

      OK, that’s it. 🙂

      GondwanaMan

      July 16, 2018 at 11:57 AM

  3. Everything except for IQ is very difficult to measure since you have to rely on self-reporting, i.e. lies.

    And if it’s difficult to measure, it’s difficult to study scientifically.

    fortaleza84

    July 16, 2018 at 11:40 AM

    • “Everything except for IQ is very difficult to measure since you have to rely on self-reporting, i.e. lies.”

      This is what I was thinking and what I was getting at in Lion’s previous post on the subject. Because IQ tests deal with things like problem solving and pattern recognition of shapes these problems don’t exist, whereas personality test questions mostly leave me thinking ‘well….it depends’. It’s very hard to find questions that are not culturally loaded or formed by the bias of the creator, and they don’t capture the subtlety and the constant flux of mood, the fleeting, half-suppressed thoughts and contradictory desires and feelings that are part of the human condition.

      Maybe one day there will be a way of creating personality tests that are more like IQ tests. Rather than relying on questions, perhaps there could be ways that certain shapes and forms conform to certain personality types. Maybe these shapes could be manipulated around a screen into forms that the subject finds the most pleasing, and their brain activity could be measured as they do so. It’s not hard to see how a certain kind of orderly person may respond more to regular and repeating shapes, whilst someone with more chaotic or impulsive personalities would prefer something irregular. At least this would take out some of the problems of asking questions, in which, as you say, people lie, not least to themselves.

      I think the comment above about ‘clannishness’ being a personality type is an excellent one. When I think about it, many of my tastes and attitudes could easily be categorised in this way, yet I have never heard it described as such (though I haven’t been looking to hard).

      prolier than thou

      July 16, 2018 at 12:42 PM

      • Just because something can’t easily be measured doesn’t mean that it’s not real, or not useful to think about it.

      • “Just because something can’t easily be measured doesn’t mean that it’s not real, or not useful to think about it.”

        I agree, but it’s still a big problem. From simple observation, it’s clear that some people are more extroverted and some people more introverted. But if you want to study life outcomes based on peoples’ degree of extroversion/introversion, it would be really hard to get reliable results like you can with IQ.

        I suppose it could be useful for giving people career advice, but even then you aren’t really telling people anything novel and actionable. It doesn’t take a personality test to know that an extrovert is better off being a salesman and an introvert is better off being an accountant.

        fortaleza84

        July 16, 2018 at 12:54 PM

      • ” It doesn’t take a personality test to know that an extrovert is better off being a salesman”

        That’s a misconception. Being a good salesman requires being low in N, high orderliness, high in logicalness and resistance to persuasion, low in honesty, high in aggressiveness.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        July 16, 2018 at 1:37 PM

      • Maybe the reason you put so much stress on IQ is because it is easy to measure and what you are doing is looking under the lamp post. IQ probably put you in a cluster but it doesn’t explain the variance inside the cluster which is most interesting for most people. You don’t care why you are doing better than some low IQ white trash person, you care why people with the same IQ range as you are doing so much better or worst.

        Hashed

        July 16, 2018 at 6:12 PM

      • @lion @hashed Even IQ has its limits. Some people with high IQs on puzzle solving and mentally rotating objects are good in subjects like Math. A subset of them will be on the autism spectrum. I think my ex is high-functioning autistic.

        My daughter agrees. She’s like me, an extrovert. They have odd personality quirks, chiefly not very empathetic. They don’t seem to realize when they’re doing something that most people would regard as weird or unsociable.

        Frau Katze

        July 17, 2018 at 1:48 AM

    • Yeah but the questions were pretty bland with no clear ‘I’m a better person’ answer. You also answer on a pointed scale between yes and no.

      Some inaccurate self reporting isn’t deliberate deception. Take self reporting of food intake which is notoriously inaccurate. Skinny people tend to over report whereas heavier people tend to under report when compared to results of isotopic water but neither group seems to be deliberately lying. If you’ve ever watched the show secret eaters it’s mind boggling how some people truly/ sincerely don’t seem aware how much they’re eating and will under report by as much as 75%. Maybe it’s built into the human mind to eat as much as possible without thinking too much about it, but it’s staggering nonetheless.

      toomanymice

      July 16, 2018 at 2:17 PM

  4. Very good, but how can we take it? Come up with questions and we gonna test it out.

    Logicalness – need a better term.

    Yakov

    July 16, 2018 at 11:42 AM

  5. Prole behaviors of irritability, irascibility and impulsivity.

    JS

    July 16, 2018 at 11:46 AM

  6. The trick to any measure of human behavior is that they must have three qualities:

    1. Reliability: repeat testing should show some continuity

    2. Validity: the purported measure should predict something in the real world

    3. Heritability

    Most personality measures fall down on #2. They are poorly predictive of real-world behavior. The MTBI isn’t real because it has little to no predictive validity. The big five is better, but it too falls short (openness to experience and consciousness are most valid). The HEXACO is better, but it too has limits.

    We have a long way to go, but any proposed personality system has to be an improvement over what we already have.

    JayMan

    July 16, 2018 at 11:48 AM

  7. I think there’s a lot of covariance between (1) and (5-7). Not 100%, but a lot.

    Anon1

    July 16, 2018 at 11:52 AM

  8. Given the sorry state of the social sciences, I’d say the Lion Model of personality is just as valuable as the other ones, if not better.

    PrinzEugen

    July 16, 2018 at 12:14 PM

  9. Energy level – I don’t know if this technically falls under personality, since it can be influenced so much by things like sleep, diet, exercise, age, and overall health. But it’s a huge difference between people that we observe in the real world.

    Wency

    July 16, 2018 at 12:36 PM

  10. Can’t write too much since I’m at work but I really like #6. It seems to me that there has been a lack of interest in whether this is a variable factor among the types of people who are usually interested in this sort of thing. I definitely suspect that it is and that it is separate from IQ (although IQ can magnify it’s practical effects). There are a lot of high IQ people who seem to nonetheless be totally comfortable accepting the party line.

    Jokah Macpherson

    July 16, 2018 at 12:53 PM

  11. Hotness. There should be a hotness factor.

    bomag

    July 16, 2018 at 1:03 PM

    • Lol, agreed!

      SJ, Esquire

      July 16, 2018 at 9:02 PM

  12. What is the difference between 3 and 7? There might be a class difference (3 would be enjoying going to a water park, 7 might be wanting to go to a “shocking” exhibit of lesbian gyno-sculpture), but to me it seems like the same thing.

    Bill

    July 16, 2018 at 1:15 PM

  13. It’s a good start.

    As mentioned elsewhere, I don’t think that orderliness does not fit well with the other facets of conscientiousness from the big 5. Orderliness and planning ability go hand in hand. There are people who are great at planning things, and terrible at carrying them out. There are also people who can’t plan their way out of a wet paper bag, but are awesome at carrying out other people’s plans. I know one guy who’s a grammar Nazi (high orderliness), who almost got sued by Omni magazine for not grading IQ test results after they published his test (low conscientiousness).

    Also, aggressiveness is a factor, but there’s not a very strong correlation between different forms of aggression. In reality, many people have observed that some types of aggression seem to be negatively correlated with each other. Consider the problem of New Yorkers vs Texans, or verbally violent vs physically violent people.

    Steven Pinker covers this in depth in his book “Better Angels of Our Nature”. Who’s more aggressive, the New Yorker who rolls his car window down to curse at and threaten people in traffic on a daily basis, but who would wet his pants in terror if he saw that one of the other drivers had a gun rack; or the Texan who is polite to everyone he meets but once killed a man, and was acquitted by a small town jury of his peers because they believed the victim had it coming? I can’t say for sure which one is more aggressive, only which one I respect more.

    MoreSigmasThanYou

    July 16, 2018 at 1:49 PM

  14. How is IQ personality? That doesn’t make sense. It might lend to others of your traits (FTO for example) but raw analytic ability and pattern recognition aren’t personality traits. That’s like saying someone’s weight or strength are personality traits.

    I see some redundancy on the list but otherwise it’s good. I’d combine FTO and logic, for example. And a lot of aggressive people are self centered and vice versa. There’s also malignant narcissism vs benevolent narcissism. Trump is clearly a narcissist but he’s also genuine and benevolence-oriented. Honesty+humility may be redundant as well, they’re under the same umbrella.

    toomanymice

    July 16, 2018 at 2:28 PM

  15. It’s very good .
    1) There are differences in motivation and energy among people that have an horizontal effect (amplifying) all other traits. And motivated peoplendon everything in a more intense way, working or taking drugs !

    2) 6 and 7 are very good. Some people are oriented in inner experiences – it’s a combination of introverts and neuroticism – but it’s a bit special : living in memories and imagination. It’s really an inner orientation but that implies not the ideas but the senses. And the same for ideas and creativity. But your model doesn’t take into account the inner/out orientation or you should rename sociability

    3) Humimity is a paradoxal feeling and attitude – genuinely thinking one has less value that one has – and deception shouldn’t be a criteria. You could switch for Psychopathy : narcissism, megalomania, sadism. Psychopathy contrary is the neutral not the opposite feeling (masochism is like sadism, humility is very much like megalomania and narcissism)
    My experience is that when someone tells me he likes humble people, the person is a dark triad one. Very nasty people speaks about humble.

    Bruno

    July 16, 2018 at 3:43 PM

  16. Where is agreeableness/disagreeableness?

    I disagree with this!

    gothamette

    July 16, 2018 at 5:46 PM

  17. It was mentioned that INTJ is relatively rare in real life, but much higher on this blog. I add that it’s much higher *every*where online, at least on cerebral sites.

    I also believe, based on experience, that there is some sort of fine distinction to be made between being intellectually curious, and being argumentative. There is a certain personality type, or trait, that I’ve seen over and over and over and over again in the years that I’ve been on blogs and forums, which is the type that appears (to me, not sharing it) to enjoy arguing for the sake of arguing. As I say, I don’t share or “get” this at all, despite enjoying intellectual discussion in other ways.

    SJ, Esquire

    July 16, 2018 at 9:06 PM

    • I think there are multiple separate motivations which produce this in its various forms:

      * One is people who use debate as a tool to teach themselves. This is a very INTJ trait. Another term for these people is “devil’s advocate”.
      * The next group is “self appointed experts” who attempt to increase their status by being experts on topics that they’re not familiar with. Another term for this type is “know it all”. Brainy Smurf was supposed to be an embodiment of this.
      * A third group is trolls. They argue as a form of practical joke or prank. The point of trolling is to press someone else’s emotional buttons and elicit responses.

      MoreSigmasThanYou

      July 17, 2018 at 10:21 AM

  18. “Orderliness – I think that this factor and Future-time Orientation above replace Conscientiousness”

    I’m not sure if orderliness is the same as conscientiousness.

    I must be conscientious, as I’ve been faithfully spending several hours a day as my contribution to the blog where I used to do conventional stuff. I just wrapped up now, and it’s 10:30pm here. I’ve been doing this for over two years. I post ahead three days, in case I miss a day due to unforeseen events.

    I’m orderly on computer tasks, but housework is another story, Clutter tends to build up because I can’t figure out where to put it. With the computer, new folders are effortlessly created. Not so for physical objects.

    Although I must say: the iPad completely sucks at organizing photos.

    Frau Katze

    July 17, 2018 at 1:29 AM


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