Lion of the Blogosphere

What Putin said

This is what Putin said at the press conference:

We can actually permit official representatives of the United States, including the members of this very commission headed by Mr. Mueller, we can lead them into the country and they will be present for this questioning.

But in this case, there’s another condition. This kind of effort should be a mutual one. Then we would expect that the Americans would reciprocate and that they would question officials including the officers of law enforcement and intelligence services of the United States, whom we believe have something to do with illegal actions on the territory of Russia. And we have to request the presence of our law enforcement.

For instance, we can bring up Mr. Browder in this particular case. Business associates of Mr. Browder have earned over one and a half billion dollars in Russia. They never paid any taxes, neither in Russian army in the United States and yet the money escaped the country, they were transferred to the United States.

They sent huge amount of money – 400 million – as a contribution to the campaign of Hillary Clinton.

Well, that’s their personal case, it might have been legal, the contribution itself, but the way the money was earned was illegal.

So we have a solid reason to believe that some intelligence officers accompanied and guided these transactions. So we have an interest of questioning them. That can be a first step and we can also extend it. Options abound.

And they all can be found in an appropriate legal framework.

So there are two things of note here

1. Putin will allow Mueller’s people to interrogate Russians in Russia if the U.S. returns the favor by allowing Russia to interrogate U.S. intelligence officers who Putin believes committed crimes against Russia.

2. Putin claims that U.S. intelligence officers helped a Mr. Browder to transfer $400 million of illegally earned [according to Russian courts] money to Hillary Clinton’s campaign.

These statements by Putin have been totally ignored by the fakestream media.

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Bill Browder is a hedge fund manager who used to invest in Russia, originally American but who renounced his American citizenship to become British to avoid paying U.S. taxes, who has had a public feud with Putin about various stuff. Browder was convicted for tax evasion, in absentia, to 9 years in prison. Magnitsky, for whom the Magnitsky sanctions act was named after, was Browder’s attorney.

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Additional comments

1. Of course there are U.S. intelligence officers guilty of crimes against Russia. They spy on us, we spy on them, everyone knows that. Normally what to do about spying by foriegn countries is a diplomatic issue for the president to decide on, and not the province of a rogue prosecutor at the DoJ. For example, Obama decided to ignore a massive amount of cyberespionage by China, and he didn’t have to deal with his own DoJ undermining his policy of appeasement. Loretta Lynch would have fired anyone doing that.

2. All those rumors about dirt that the Russians had on Hillary Clinton, is this the dirt? If it’s for real, would the fakestream media even report on it?

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

July 17, 2018 at EDT pm

Posted in International, News

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  1. Ironically, Browser’s paternal grandfather was Earl Browser was the longtime leader of CPUSA — the American Communist Party.

    Oswald Spengler

    July 17, 2018 at EDT pm

    • Browder…damned auto-correct.

      Oswald Spengler

      July 17, 2018 at EDT pm

      • It’s not really ironic at all. It just tracks Jewish political evolution over the years.

        Magnavox

        July 17, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Bill Browder has three Jewish grandparents, but Earl Browder wasn’t one of them.

        snorlaxwp

        July 17, 2018 at EDT pm

      • their Communism was motivated by lust for power not because they really believed it?

        frum613

        July 17, 2018 at EDT pm

    • No that’s not correct. Earl Browder had three sons, one of whom was named William. All three became distinguished theoretical mathematicians, and none a hedge fund manager, nor did any have a son named William who did that.

      sestamibi

      July 17, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Bill Browder is the grandson of Earl Browder through his son Felix.

        snorlaxwp

        July 17, 2018 at EDT pm

  2. Thanks for actually reading the transcript and posting about it. The whole outpouring on the fakestream media, from Arnie, Hilldog, etc, it’s a whole new level of BS. Trump has guts, but I do not think he will last long. Russia will be the official designated enemy at least until Putin remains in power, i.e. at least for ~5-10 years longer.

    Stickler

    July 17, 2018 at EDT pm

    • Always remember, Oceania is at war with Eurasia. Oceania has ALWAYS been at war with Eurasia.

      sestamibi

      July 17, 2018 at EDT pm

  3. The first thing seems to have a lot of weight because the reality is that the US engages in many of the behaviors the US criticizes Russia for and the second thing seems completely made up.

    Magnavox

    July 17, 2018 at EDT pm

  4. I wish Trump could express himself as articulately.

    What do you think Putin’s IQ is, Lion? I say he’s at least 135.

    gothamette

    July 17, 2018 at EDT pm

    • There’s a problem with your transcript here:

      For instance, we can bring up Mr. Browder in this particular case. Business associates of Mr. Browder have earned over one and a half billion dollars in Russia. They never paid any taxes, neither in Russian army in the United States and yet the money escaped the country, they were transferred to the United States.

      https://www.npr.org/2018/07/16/629462401/transcript-president-trump-and-russian-president-putins-joint-press-conference

      Should be:

      They never paid any taxes, neither in Russia nor in the United States and yet the money escaped the country, they were transferred to the United States.

      gothamette

      July 17, 2018 at EDT pm

    • I honestly don’t know.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      July 17, 2018 at EDT pm

      • in the USSR the checkists were the best of the best. being a checkist was like being a harvard grad. and the USSR’s admissions system was just objective exams.

        this is the way it is in almost every country except the US and canada. thus in terms of IQ america’s elite is DUMB.

        frum613

        July 17, 2018 at EDT pm

      • What is a checkist? I thought everyone accepted that the governing class in the USSR was just a new corrupt and self perpetuating aristocracy.

        Magnavox

        July 18, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Unlike the USA run by a coalition of media elites and tech billionaires. Until Trump came along and ruined the party.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        July 18, 2018 at EDT pm

    • Oh no, he’s religious, so he can’t be smart, amirite?

      Mrs Stitch

      July 17, 2018 at EDT pm

      • There’s a crazy orthodox priest on youtube (he’s actually jewish but converted to orthodox christianity). His videos are way out there in crazyland but he did make an interesting point, that it wasn’t until the orthodox church regained significant foothold in russia that the MSM began to turn on russia and in turn putin, who is openly religious (in belief if not in practice) and recognizes the concept of church and state working as a two faceted entity.

        I don’t want to link because so many of his videos are antisemitic. I was curious to listen to his video about his conversion which is what brought me to his youtube channel.

        toomanymice

        July 18, 2018 at EDT am

  5. Now Trump is saying he “misspoke”. Christ Almighty.

    SWPL2

    July 17, 2018 at EDT pm

    • That’s why people weren’t showing up to defend him yesterday in media. He speaks without forethought, so it’s walking the plank to defend him publicly because you never know whether he’ll pull it all back the next day.

      Richard

      July 17, 2018 at EDT pm

      • He’s been weirdly obsessed with Putin for years and he couldn’t work out what he was gonna say when they finally met and people asked him about it?

        Magnavox

        July 17, 2018 at EDT pm

      • He’s an amateur politician who sometimes blurts out his private (often lightly held) views instead of the official views that every politician has. It’s because of a lack of interest with Putin that he didn’t study up on what those views are. Nothing was happening at Helsinki except a photo op.

        Richard

        July 18, 2018 at EDT am

    • Anything to divert attention from the Kavanaugh nomination or Andrew Wheeler management of the EPA. Good for Trump.

      sestamibi

      July 17, 2018 at EDT pm

    • Any criticism of Trump’s relationship with Putin is part of a propaganda campaign designed to isolated him from allies and deprive his supporters of power. As long as Trump has a massive support base, a free and open internet, allies in the halls of power, and a unified GOP he will be unstoppable.

      redarmyvodka

      July 18, 2018 at EDT am

    • I’ve noticed trump likes to ‘rope a dope’ the media, sends them into a lather only to say ‘just kidding, didn’t mean it.’ I’m not asserting this is good strategy, but so far it’s worked.

      toomanymice

      July 18, 2018 at EDT am

      • He did exactly the same thing when he came to London. Told the press that Theresa May was making a mess of Brexit. that the EU was bad, that Britain should leave completely, that Boris Johnson would make a good Prime Minister, and that immigration to Europe was changing it for the worse.Then the next day he backtracks on virtually all of it.

        What’s he doing when he does this? Is it a way of getting out a message and then defusing it whilst still having said wnat he wanted to say, or does he just blurt things out and then get told by his staff that it was a serious breach of protocol and that he will have to retract it? Or is it something else?

        For such a straightforward-sounding man he is something of an enigma. I hope he one day gets the Robert Caro-esque biography of his presidency that he (and we) deserve.

        prolier than thou

        July 18, 2018 at EDT pm

  6. Who the hell is Bill Browder?

    gothamette

    July 17, 2018 at EDT pm

    • Bill Browder is the co-founder of Hermitage Capital Management. At one time it was the largest foreign portfolio investor in Russia. From 1995-2005 Browder and Hermitage did business in Russia. In 2005 Browder was blacklisted and refused entry to Russia. Browder claimed this had something to do with corruption in Russia, but it is not completely clear. Over the next several years Hermitage officials in Russia were attacked. In 2007 the Hermitage offices were raided, confiscating documents and computers. It is claimed that Russian officials stole the Hermitage registration documents. It is alleged that they used these documents to claim a $230 million dollar tax refund that was illegal and the Russian government officials stole this tax refund.

      Sergei Magnitsky was an auditor for Hermitage who discovered this tax fraud and tried to report it. He was arrested for the tax fraud in 2008 and died in prison in 2009.

      Bill Browder lobbied Congress and eventually they passed the Magnitsky Act in 2012. This act directly targeted individuals involved in the Magnitsky affair by prohibiting their entrance to the United States and their use of its banking system. The Russian government retaliated by prohibiting adoption of Russian children by American citizens.

      In 2013 the Russian government charged Browder and Magnitsky (who was deceased) with tax evasion and fraud. They were tried in absentia and convicted. Browder was sentenced to nine years.

      The Trump Tower meeting with Natalia Veselnitskaya was about lifting the Magnitsky sanctions so Americans could adopt Russian children again.

      No one knows where Putin’s claim of $400 million in donations from Browder to Hillary’s campaign comes from. Browder is now a British citizen and cannot contribute to US candidates. Some of his associates did donate to Hillary’s campaign. There are records of $17,700 donated to the Hillary campaign and $297,000 to the DNC, from his associates.

      MikeCA

      July 18, 2018 at EDT am

      • “Browder is now a British citizen and cannot contribute to US candidates.”

        You mean that he can’t LEGALLY contribute to US candidates. Like George Soros he can legally fund a lot of anti-Republican propaganda, plus who knows what he does illegally? Putin seems to think he knows something, or he’s lying about knowing something.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        July 18, 2018 at EDT am

      • $400 million is such an insanely high ridiculous figure. It was a very Trump like comment.

        Magnavox

        July 18, 2018 at EDT am

      • Putin meant $400,000.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        July 18, 2018 at EDT am

  7. The babies separated from their parents are completely forgotten. We have a new outrage of the week.
    It is really unbelievable to me that anybody takes the MSM seriously. They will float anything that is anti-Trump, all in unison, hysterically, for a week.
    Then when his ratings stay in the exact same place, they move on to their next attempt.

    amused observer

    July 17, 2018 at EDT pm

    • Look at it this way…they have made him out to be a racist, a con man, an adulterer, a madman and now a traitor. Yet nothing sticks. It proves that Trump has staying power. He Jk has legs. All this media outrage actually plays to his advantage over the long term because it desensitizes the public to their criticism. That’s a good thing.

      B.T.D.T.

      July 17, 2018 at EDT pm

      • *He has legs

        B.T.D.T.

        July 17, 2018 at EDT pm

    • Trump crushed the left, right, center, and mainstream media in 2015/2016.

      His presidency has been a major success and the reforms have just begun.

      The next major phase however is breaking up these tech/media companies.

      This year’s Congressional mid-term election is the most important in history.

      redarmyvodka

      July 18, 2018 at EDT am

      • Are Trump and the republicans going to use regulations to rationally solve the problems created by busineses? Much more likely he just impotently rages against them in public whole giving them everything they want like republicans always do. That way they get the support of both ignorant white trash rank and file gop voters and the support of intelligent rational donors.

        Magnavox

        July 18, 2018 at EDT am

      • Business isn’t the problem law enforcement or lack there of is the problem. The Trump administration is pretty aggressive on that front but the ills associated with big government are far worse than big business such as section 8 housing which relocates the ghetto to suburbia.

        redarmyvodka

        July 18, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Breaking up tech/media companies is regulation. And republicans haven’t done regulation since president ur-cuck Ronald Reagan. Trump isn’t even willing to punish companies for hiring illegals when that’s the most effective way to achieve his primary campaign promise.

        Magnavox

        July 18, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Maybe you’re not old enough to appreciate Reagan.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        July 18, 2018 at EDT pm

  8. Lion, have you noticed an influx of scuzzy, nasty, young white homeless people? I have on the UWS. They really have an attitude.

    gothamette

    July 17, 2018 at EDT pm

    • There was a group of six crusty young white homeless people camped out on a street corner when I was walking near 29th and Park Avenue South on Sunday. One guy was shooting up. It was like I was back in San Francisco again!

      Christine

      July 18, 2018 at EDT am

      • OK, I’m gonna say something that’s going to make me unpopular here but I already am so who cares.

        We have black and Hispanic homeless guys in the nabe who are harmless and behave themselves. The Hispanic guy in particular I’ve seen for years and he doesn’t bother me. He’s actually rather bright – I used to see him reading trashed copies of NY Times, WSJ, as well as El Diario. He made it to the cover of the NY Post, in fact. They showed him peeing in Columbus Circle.

        But these white kids are nasty. I did give them a look as I passed by – out of curiosity. One of the boys reared up and sneered at me. Their bitches were very smug looking.

        I saw this when I lived in DC many years ago. The black homeless were quite deferential when they weren’t completely bonkers, and the whites were Manson-like.

        White privilege in action!

        gothamette

        July 18, 2018 at EDT am

      • LOL, the City Council passed a bunch of laws de-criminalizing anti-social behavior because the majority of homeless in NYC were “of color.” I predict that in five years, after an invasion of nasty white homeless kids, they will backtrack.

        gothamette

        July 18, 2018 at EDT am

      • Gothamette-“I saw this when I lived in DC many years ago. The black homeless were quite deferential when they weren’t completely bonkers, and the whites were Manson-like.

        White privilege in action!”

        Proving that you can’t satirise the Left, this has already been said. Some he/she black/white model/thing called Munroe Bergdorf said in an interview with the Guardian-

        “You need to recognise that there is such a thing as white privilege and you can be homeless and still have white privilege, because you can still have a better chance of getting out of homelessness than a person of colour in the same position.”

        She was sitting on some kind of Labour alphabet soup (LGBTQISQ etc) Labour Advisory Council at the time.

        prolier than thou

        July 18, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Crusty is what we used to call old men.

        gothamette

        July 18, 2018 at EDT pm

  9. By “400 million” Putin may have meant 400 million rubles ($6.4 million), which is a lot more plausible.

    snorlaxwp

    July 17, 2018 at EDT pm

    • MEH 0910

      July 18, 2018 at EDT am

      • Now I understand why Trump likes Putin so much, They’re kindred souls.

        Magnavox

        July 18, 2018 at EDT pm

  10. 99% of the Dems reactions to the summit could have been written before it even happened, and referenced nothing Trump actually said.

    Trump is a buffoonish oaf, an oafish buffoon, but when he tries to act diplomatically and not go for the throat like the Deep State wanted him to, he’s weak and ineffectual. Can’t win with these people la la la I am not listening….

    Fact Checker

    July 18, 2018 at EDT am

    • When Trump signed the Executive Order to fix the kids at the border situation, Chuck Schumer said something to the effect that he didn’t want them to fix the situation as the Dems would prefer to keep using it as a wedge issue. No point in trying to appease people that hate you no matter what you do.

      Fact Checker

      July 18, 2018 at EDT am

    • “99% of the Dems reactions to the summit could have been written before it even happened, and referenced nothing Trump actually said.”

      I am pretty sure that’s EXACTLY what happened, or rather the talking points were created BEFOREHAND so that everyone would be on the same page with criticizing him and not letting him get any beneficial publicity out of it.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      July 18, 2018 at EDT am

      • The reaction was so unhinged and extreme I don’t think it could have possibly been worked out before hand. Articles going on aand on about how we finally have definitive proof that Trump colluded with Russia to steal bthe election. You can’t maintain that level of crazy for months and months.

        Magnavox

        July 18, 2018 at EDT am

  11. Obama goes anti-SJW?

    IHTG

    July 18, 2018 at EDT am

  12. MEH 0910

    July 19, 2018 at EDT pm


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