Lion of the Blogosphere

A nation needs virtuous elites

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We have the opposite, elites who are trying to destroy our nation with open borders, out-of-control SJWism, pandering to prole tastes and prole moral degeneracy, etc.

We cannot fix our problems with a prole autocracy. Somehow we must reform our elites, so that institutions like Harvard and the New York times become pro-American instead of anti-American. If this doesn’t happen, then we are doomed.

I wish this could be a longer essay, but I had to get this thought out.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

July 18, 2018 at EDT pm

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  1. I believe that pre-WW2, the elite in America were generally pro-America and pro-Americans. What happened?

    Two in the Bush

    July 18, 2018 at EDT pm

    • The Soviet Union might’ve gone bust but their mission to destroy the USA through cultural subversion succeeded

      everybodyhatesscott

      July 18, 2018 at EDT pm

      • LOL a thousand times. When the Soviet Union existed, Americans were quite immune to its propaganda.

        The only thing destroying the US is its own wealth and foolish cultural assumptions.

        Who said this? Some Communist?

        “We Americans have been the greatest destroyers of land of any race or people, barbaric or civilized.”

        gothamette

        July 19, 2018 at EDT am

      • “HBD pseudoscience,”

        Yet you never seem to want to do an pseudoscience comparative analysis between HBD ‘pseudoscience’ as you call it and Blank Slate or Culturist or Egalitarian pseudoscience. Is not HBD considerably less pseudosciency than Egalitarianism?

        Curle

        July 19, 2018 at EDT pm

      • There’s more psuedosciency in terms of being more wrong, where I think they’re both equally psuedosciency. And then there’s more pseudosciency in terms of applying the trapping of science in ways that aren’t logically rigorous, in which case I think HBD is more pseudosciency. Although that’s probably as much a consequence of HBD attracting scientifically and statistically minded proponents as much as anything.

        Magnavox

        July 20, 2018 at EDT am

      • “terms of applying the trapping of science in ways that aren’t logically rigorous,“

        And yet Egalitarianism dispenses entirely with experimental rigor in favor of theory which possesses only the rigor of coalition building.

        Curle

        July 20, 2018 at EDT am

      • And yet Egalitarianism dispenses entirely with experimental rigor in favor of theory which possesses only the rigor of coalition building.

        That’s what makes it less pseudosciency in the second, more accurate, sense. It’s not a bunch of people talking about heritability values or twin studies without understanding what they really mean and what their limits are.

        Magnavox

        July 20, 2018 at EDT pm

    • Up until the 1960s the US always had a cultural elite that had the interests of the country at heart and an economic elite that would vacillate back and forth. It’s the rising influence of jews, blacks, and catholics, and a cultural elite dominated by those groups bitterness and resentment, that explains the shift in modern times.

      Magnavox

      July 18, 2018 at EDT pm

      • As one old enough to remember the 1960s, I point out that the crazy left were a small fraction of the population. In my high school, there might been 1 or 2 “hippies” in a class of 35 or so.

        At Simon Fraser University, there was a visible number of crazies. Including professors. But on the other hand, I was majoring in physics, and I noticed there zero crazies there. It was like a different universe.

        Granted, I was observing from Vancouver, Canada. But the city did get an influx of crazies from the colder places in the country, rather the way San Francisco did.

        But the US had one large extra issue: opposition to the draft for the Vietnam War. The protestors pretty much quit when the draft was dropped.

        The crazies were a minority but a really loud and sometimes violent minority. It fits Nissim Taleb’s theory that the loud and violent get there way, even if they are a small minority.

        Frau Katze

        July 18, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Don’t forget that the crazies were in every Western country. In those days, there were next to zero blacks in Europe and Canada.

        The Jews were far less numerous outside the US. Canada never had as many, and Vancouver, in the far west, had next to none.

        But the mild climate attracted the crazies. I don’t know about Catholics. I wasn’t one and never paid attention to them.

        The sheer number of young people, a consequence of the baby boom, made the thing seem (to me in Canada) to be it a mass of acting out teenagers.

        I know, and mentioned in another comment, that the US had the real problem with the draft for the Vietnam war. It was also the only country with anything like the South and unfortunate situation with the blacks.

        Frau Katze

        July 18, 2018 at EDT pm

      • It’s a bitter irony that the only sensible countries in Europe are the former Communist ones. Communism didn’t save them per se, but it stopped the crazy left ideas from being heard or considered.

        So the former Communist countries emerged far less prosperous and more polluted, but still sane.

        Frau Katze

        July 19, 2018 at EDT am

      • Lion,

        “It’s the rising influence of jews, blacks, and catholics, and a cultural elite dominated by those groups bitterness and resentment, that explains the shift in modern times.”

        This is the alt-right in a nutshell. Bitterness, resentment, inability to take responsibility and to see clearly. I guess he’s OK in your book because he spreads the blame.

        gothamette

        July 19, 2018 at EDT am

      • There are so many anti-Semitic comments it’s hard to delete all of them. Maybe I should just quit blogging.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        July 19, 2018 at EDT am

      • @Lion, Well, if you quit blogging it might be better for your mental health but worse for mine!

        @Frau, “t’s a bitter irony that the only sensible countries in Europe are the former Communist ones. Communism didn’t save them per se, but it stopped the crazy left ideas from being heard or considered.”

        I was thinking the exact same thing. It’s a bit like Fidel Castro who turned out to be a tremendous historic preservationist. Going to Cuba is like visiting Miami in 1956 – aesthetically far superior to Miami 2018!

        Re: Magnavox’s ramblings, Wow, I didn’t know that Jews, blacks, and Catholics came to such a perfect society. Pity about that little Civil War thing. Didn’t know that had anything to do with those groups – oh wait, the black were involved. Run that one by me.

        gothamette

        July 19, 2018 at EDT am

      • “There are so many anti-Semitic comments it’s hard to delete all of them. Maybe I should just quit blogging.”

        Is this some kind of trick? I thought all comments had to be approved? Or am I just not on the VIP list?

        MoreSigmasThanYou

        July 19, 2018 at EDT am

      • I don’t have time to carefully read every comment, and verify there are no anti-Semitic dog whistles.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        July 19, 2018 at EDT pm

      • I don’t know what you mean about the civil war. It brought about the total cultural dominance of the northeastern protestant establishment, which is pretty much the only worthwhile thing about the civil war in my mind.

        I’m obviously just talking extemporaneously throwing out ideas to discuss. I don’t know exactly what changed 50 years ago. Of course everyone accepts outsized jewish influence or the epochal significance of the civil Rights movement when theyre presented as positive things. Thinking about it I would swap out Catholics and put in women, or more accurately career women.

        Magnavox

        July 19, 2018 at EDT am

      • “Of course everyone accepts outsized jewish influence”

        No, only people on anti-Semitic blogs accept that.

        Of course I don’t deny that Jews have higher IQ, so in positions that require high IQ, like influencer, there are going to be more people of Jewish heritage.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        July 19, 2018 at EDT pm

      • I’d be very disappointed if Lion quit blogging, and I say this as a fan of Kevin MacDonald. There are many places on the internet to discuss a certain subject, there’s no need to constantly bring it up here.

        Tanturn

        July 19, 2018 at EDT pm

      • No, only people on anti-Semitic blogs accept that.

        Of course I don’t deny that Jews have higher IQ, so in positions that require high IQ, like influencer, there are going to be more people of Jewish heritage.

        So you do accept it. My point is that as long as jewish over representaiton is presented positively you could get applause at a synagogue for talking about it. You have ab obsession with HBD pseudoscience, so that’s a key part of presenting it as positive (natural and inevitable in a fair system) thing for you.

        Magnavox

        July 19, 2018 at EDT pm

      • “as long as jewish over representaiton is presented positively you could get applause at a synagogue for talking about it. ”

        And why shouldn’t they? I bet at black churches, they would get applause for positively mentioning black overrepresenation in basketball.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        July 19, 2018 at EDT pm

      • We should all preemptively agree to regroup elsewhere if lion abandons ship. Mikestreetstation’s blog? I was going to make a LOTB subreddit but don’t want the responsibility. But pretty please lion, don’t quit.

        Maybe you could allow guest blog posts if you’re sick of writing, or let someone else(s) approve comments for a while. You could move to a message board format so all the onus isn’t on you.

        toomanymice

        July 19, 2018 at EDT pm

      • And why shouldn’t they? I bet at black churches, they would get applause for positively mentioning black overrepresenation in basketball.

        It’s pointless to keep this discussion going but let me just point out that it makes absolutely no sense to defend one group by pointing to similar behavior among blacks. Blacks are literally the worst.

        Magnavox

        July 19, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Italian Americans love celebrating Columbus Day because Columbus was Italian.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        July 19, 2018 at EDT pm

      • @Lion “There are so many anti-Semitic comments it’s hard to delete all of them. Maybe I should just quit blogging.”

        Don’t quit! We need islands of sanity these days, where it seems a collective insanity has taken hold.

        I can only imagine how discouraging all these anti-Semites are. Steve Sailer largely tolerates then and himself is mildly anti-Semitic. I’ve stopped going to that blog.

        The minute I see triple brackets or something like that I think, another idiot. Just what we need at this insane juncture in history.

        Frau Katze

        July 19, 2018 at EDT pm

      • “Italian Americans love celebrating Columbus Day because Columbus was Italian.”

        What brought up the subject of IAs? Somehow Lion always manages to work in a guido reference! And it’s a sign of how powerful Lions blog is in the life of his readers that I now use the term “guido” as a synonym for Italian without even thinking about it.

        maryk

        July 19, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Magnavox is a liar and a cuck but even he’s right once in a while. I’d also add that women are part of the problem as well. The old money WASP Anglo-American establishment is not the problem.

        redarmyvodka

        July 21, 2018 at EDT am

    • I think what happened was that America emerged as the world’s dominant power, opening the door to more intense intramural conflict.. SJWism can be seen as a clash between goodwhites and badwhites.

      fortaleza84

      July 18, 2018 at EDT pm

      • This is true. And it’s been going on since the colonies first declared independence. Read Colin Woodard’s AMERICAN NATIONS. I sometimes think that the North & South should have gone their separate ways then, but it’s spilled milk.

        gothamette

        July 19, 2018 at EDT am

      • But you see the same conflicts in non world powers.

        Magnavox

        July 19, 2018 at EDT am

      • Sure, there is intramural conflict everywhere. But it tends to get less or more intense depending on the perceived magnitude of external adversaries and threats.

        fortaleza84

        July 20, 2018 at EDT am

      • John Derbyshire has dubbed this goodwhite vs. badwhite cultural/political conflict “The Cold Civil War.”

        Oswald Spengler

        July 20, 2018 at EDT pm

      • America is a superpower and does dumb shit. Sweden is not a superpower and does very similar dumb shit. It’s very hard to see what being a superpower has to do with it.

        Magnavox

        July 20, 2018 at EDT pm

      • “America is a superpower and does dumb shit. Sweden is not a superpower and does very similar dumb shit”

        If the Germans or Russians were poised to invade Sweden, would the Swedes be so quick to appoint women to important positions, to import millions of Muslims, etc.?

        fortaleza84

        July 21, 2018 at EDT pm

      • @fortaleza “If the Germans or Russians were poised to invade Sweden, would the Swedes be so quick to appoint women to important positions, to import millions of Muslims, etc.?”

        No. The woman problem could be solved. Not overnight, but pretty quickly. If the Russians invaded them now they’d collapse.What kind of military do they have?

        The Muslim problem is worse.You’ve got parallel societies there (and everywhere that Muslims live in any number.) Keeping them out is critical. If I were an American, I’d have voted Trump on the issue alone. “Multiculturalism” is worse them crazy feminists, who will see the light when said enemy crosses the border.

        Another problem is if a nation becomes an enemy and you’ve got millions of them in your country, even if they’re not Muslims.

        Multiculturalism is our downfall. And we’re going down.

        Frau Katze

        July 21, 2018 at EDT pm

    • (((What happened?)))

      O¥O

      July 18, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Savage.

        Vince

        July 18, 2018 at EDT pm

    • Others have pointed out some proximate causes, but the fact is that we’re an empire in decline, and this is what always happens to empires in decline, as Glubb observed.

      http://people.uncw.edu/kozloffm/glubb.pdf

      Intellectuals always eventually end up subverting the values that their empires are built on. They get into signaling spirals, they give in to pessimism, and there’s always more of a market for new ideas than old ideas, especially once the old ideas seem to have run their course after expansion stops and the empire meets some setbacks.

      Wency

      July 18, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Because Glubb says so it must be true. Glubb was either too ignorant or too cowardly to identify the true reason civilizations decline: dysgenic fertility. Because of this he was left with complaining about the symptoms rather than the cause.

        DataExplorer

        July 18, 2018 at EDT pm

      • I don’t think we are in decline. USA is still #1 destination to strike it rich. Would people rather migrate to EU or USA?

        mpt

        July 18, 2018 at EDT pm

      • That reminds me of a Romanian friend at my old university. When I told him America was in decline he looked incredulous and vehemently denied it. I said, “How would you know? You moved from a shit hole and have only been here two years!” You similarly moved from a shit hole and haven’t been in America long enough to know.

        America is absolutely in decline. But the decline is offset by advances in technology and productivity.

        destructure

        July 19, 2018 at EDT am

      • @DataExplorer:
        Dysgenics – that may be partly true. Hard to say how much of the answer it is, but it’s definitely not the whole answer. And it raises the question of what caused the dysgenic trend in the first place.

        But Glubb was observing something real in the cultural change of empires. Do you really think dysgenics is the main reason the British Empire ceased to be? No, it’s the fact that the British people no longer had the will to preserve it. Beliefs about the glories of empire and superiority of the British system/culture were replaced with self-flagellating signaling spirals. They lost their self-confidence as a nation. Now Pakistanis rape their girls and they don’t want to raise a fuss about it.

        If the IQ of white British was 15 points lower, they would probably be less tolerant of Pakistani rapists than they are currently. So much for dysgenics.

        Would the America of today take Texas and the southwest from Mexico, then settle it with huge white families? Unthinkable. The invasion has been going in the other direction (raising relatively little alarm), a surefire sign of imperial (or civilizational) decline.

        @mpt:
        Really the whole of Western Civilization is in decline, which can be observed in its demographic suicide. The U.S. is currently the imperial center of that civilization, the EU, in a sense, its vassal. And the imperial center is always a good place to strike it rich. Rome in 350 A.D. was still a better place to get rich than some mudhole in Germania (unless the way you intended to get rich was by sacking Rome).

        Now to say we’re in decline doesn’t mean we’re doomed, but there will have to be a correction, and something new will have to emerge. We can’t just rewind the clock.

        Wency

        July 19, 2018 at EDT am

      • I brought up Glubb here once!

        gothamette

        July 19, 2018 at EDT am

      • @destructure –

        Interesting – a Romanian friend once said the same thing to me, in spirit. Long story short she said to me, “You can never have too much freedom.”

        I said nothing at the time, but as we speak now, I beg to differ. Most people cannot handle too much freedom. We need firm cultural bright lines.

        gothamette

        July 19, 2018 at EDT am

      • “Others have pointed out some proximate causes, but the fact is that we’re an empire in decline, and this is what always happens to empires in decline”

        That’s basically been my impression. We’ve already topped out and are heading down. People don’t believe it because of technology but hey, the dark ages had better technology than the Romans.

        Mike Street Station

        July 19, 2018 at EDT am

      • Excellent point, but just because the imperial progressivist empire (built on the income tax mind you) is declining does not mean there is no positive transition taking place.

        Mob rule is fracturing, Trump is the brightest green shoot. Once the universities are cut off from the treasury, which I predict will happen in the next 50 years, it will be a route.

        A Dilettante

        July 19, 2018 at EDT pm

      • “Most people cannot handle too much freedom. We need firm cultural bright lines.”

        I strongly agree. I don’t think we need to micromanage everyone’s lives. But there definitely need to be some hard lines that aren’t crossed, particularly regarding marriage, substance abuse, etc.

        destructure

        July 19, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Great post/observation, Wency. Glubb’s work is a masterpiece.

        redarmyvodka

        July 21, 2018 at EDT am

      • @mpt The US is still strong at attracting people already very successful.

        For the rest, they’ll take the US or Northern Europe, whichever is easier to get to.

        Frau Katze

        July 21, 2018 at EDT pm

    • Apparently what happened is that you forgot your history. The vice president during the war was a communist. The Sec’y of the Treasury that negotiated the post-war worldwide financial system was a Soviet spy. The State Department was run by Soviet agents for decades during and after WWII.

      They weren’t any more pro-America then than now. And they weren’t virtuous either.

      owentt

      July 18, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Names? Roosevelt had more than one vice president. Not sure who the treasury guy you’re referring to is.

        The post-war Bretton Woods deal was influenced by the Brit John Maynard Keynes, who was not anti-Western at all.

        Frau Katze

        July 19, 2018 at EDT pm

    • It’s funny that Lion posted about this, because it’s been something I’ve been thinking about with the attempts to stall Brexit, and to a lesser extent, the Deep State war on Trump. Welcome as those victories were, how can they be successfully continued when all the meaningful posts in the Judiciary, the police, the media and Civil Service are occupied by liberals?

      I’m not sure about America, but in Britain a lot of the problem goes back to the period when the Baby Boomers were coming of age. This coincided with an expansion of the University sector in the ’60’s, combined with an elite that were ageing, depleted and demoralised by the war and the damning judgement on nationalism and European Civilisation that those conflicts brought in their wake. At the same time that these Boomers were reaching their majority and entering the new universites they were being radicalised by the newly flowering popular youth culture in its first and most intoxicating phase at exactly the same time that television was coming into every home, and decolonisation and the end of Empire was creating new anit-Imperial heroes, inducing widespread cynicism about past and uncertainty about what countries are for.

      These new elites aren’t very impressive people and it’s not clear to me that such people have the capability to become an aristocracy who could pass their power on to the next generation. I grew up like everyone else having quite a negative image of Europe’s Ancien Regime, yet the older I get the more respect I have for them. How many of our current elites have even the mentality of people who are able to think over generations? When you look at the great stately homes and Chateaus of Europe, how many generations could our current crop of social superiors be able to hold on to such piles whilst resisting the temptation to sell out to a Saudi oil billionaire and go off Instagramming round the world? Yet these homes have often been in the same families for hundreds of years. These people would have thought the idea of marrying for love and trivial and common, something that always used to seem stuffy and contemptible to me, yet now I think their obsession with breeding and maintaining their family name and power is laudable, and from a modern perspective, impressive.

      It’s easy to be cynical about the faults of this bygone world, but they were born to rule and they understood that this came with responsibilites and the sacrifice of a more carefree existence. Although they may have had contempt for the lower classes (as do ours) this was at least tempered by the knowledge that they shared a common faith based on notions of charity and kindness and a shared ethnic identity: even the richest and most powerful man in England could not claim to feel any more English than the poorest of his English subjects; ethnic idenity can serve as a powerful egalitarian and unifying force. In some ways the lives of the rich and the poor were actually more similar to each other than is the case today. They would have had the same kind of family structure and the same kind of values about men, women, sex, all from their shared Christian faith. None of this is the case today. and in fact our elites today make a point of constantly shifting their moral values for little purpose other than to create new class markers and demonstrate their power over us.

      It’s hard to see how the elite could be reformed or replaced. Frankly, the only kind of people who have many of the values to do some of the above would be Muslims, who at least have that more clannish and strategic understanding of marriage, family and the sexes that would be necessary to perpetuate an elite.

      Maybe ‘Submission’ gets the right answer, and it will take Europe converting to Islam to know any stability again.

      prolier than thou

      July 19, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Democracies always fail, we’ve had a century of experimenting to demonstrate the Ancient Greek aristocratic antipathy of it. It’s held up superstitiously these days but the cracks are forming, it’s becoming more sensible to believe there is a gradient of quality persons in this world and not everyone is qualified to participate in preserving society when they cannot even preserve themselves, eg voting while on welfare.

        Now, how to cultivate those persons who can in this world to step up a la Trump is a different problem…

        A Dilettante

        July 19, 2018 at EDT pm

  2. The West is undergoing a revolution that will result in the installment of new elites. The process has already begun and is bearing fruits but it won’t become really noticeable until after Trump’s 2nd term.

    predictions:

    1. Trump win re-election by 6 points after the most acrimonious Presidential campaign in American history.

    2. With Graham, Flake, McCain and Sasse gone, and with Trump clearly having a mandate, the Congressional GOP bends the knee and passes real immigration reform consisting of the following:
    A. Amnesty for 2 million DREAMERs, to be counted against the normal annual immigration quotas
    B. Mandatory E-verify
    C. Revision of asylum laws
    D. The Wall,
    E. Taxes on remittances
    F. “Skills” based immigration
    G. Reduction of legal immigration to 500k a year
    H. More visas for farm workers
    I. Drastic increase of ICE and Border Patrol
    J. Making it a felony to illegally enter the US or to overstay a visa
    K. Visa entry/exit tracking system

    This is far from perfect. We need to end all non white immigration, but it’s a start.

    3. Red states start passing SB1070 type laws, knowing that the Supreme Court will back them up

    4. Anti immigrant parties continue to have success all over the world.

    5. The EU collapses

    6. The 2024 Republican primaries will be a battle for who hates immigrants the most. Pence will be beaten by a populist upstart. Possibly Kris Kobach.

    7. The Republicans will win in 2024 and begin implementing the Final Solution to the immigrant question. Non white immigration will be all but halted.

    8. In the late 2020’s, the western left wing parties will accept anti immigration. Being anti immigrant will become a consensus position.

    Otis the Sweaty

    July 18, 2018 at EDT pm

    • The only hope of fixing this issue in our lifetimes, outside of some kind of singularity like technological transformation, is repatriation of blacks and post 1964 immigrants.

      Magnavox

      July 18, 2018 at EDT pm

    • I agree with your assessment. The Western world is, indeed, shifting rightward at a rapid pace. We are midway through the Fourth Turning as Neil Howe and William Strauss predicted by in their book by the same name. About every eighty ears there is a crisis inducing paradigm shift. Our first American turning was the American Revolutionary War, then the Civil War, then World War II, and now the Trumpening. What everyone needs to remember is that the last 60 years was the most experimental time in human history. It was like a global adolescence where all manners of social engineering were tinkered with. What people are waking up to now is that multiculturalism, integration, feminism and globohomo-ism does not work. It does not create happy people or thriving communities. Now the roof is caving in. It’s a joy to watch. Nationalism and race realism was the undisputed norm throughout all of human history and it is returning with a vengeance. We are already starting to see local communities restore freedom of association to police their own communities and keep out immigrants and refugees. This will grow and a conservative Supreme Court will back them up. All you need is about 60% of white America to be on board and its a lock. By 2030 explicit pro white/anti immigrant feelings will be the norm again. The left will throw temper tantrums and riots but i do not think that there will be a civil war, due to the fact that once the white population signs on for this their power, influence and fire power will be too great to challenge, just as it was in the past. Ambitious minorities, particularly Hispanics, will realize that it is better to be on the side of white America and they will simply fall into line and abide by the new rules.

      B.T.D.T.

      July 18, 2018 at EDT pm

    • Another essential part of this is the ongoing collapse of the media, entertainment and elite education. People are starting to cut the cord, which is good. They are tuning out. I could see a large scale movement that rejects social media and television in favor of a return to simple, communitarian living. Colleges will go out of business as parents no longer see a value proposition. Trades and apprenticeships will gain in popularity. The Ivy League will continue to exist but without the same social cache it used to enjoy. My guess is that whichever Republican succeeds Trump will go after big education the way that Trump went after the media.

      B.T.D.T.

      July 18, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Good shooting btdt, hope you’re right

        driveallnight

        July 18, 2018 at EDT pm

    • Money that remitted is already taxed. I use online websites for my remittances (am a us citizen btw) and get excellent exchange rates. The money has already been taxed.

      mpt

      July 18, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Otis wrote,
        “Final Solution to the immigrant question.”
        Wow…just wow.

        And here I was feeling guilty at times for cheering for more opoid epidemic in red states!!

        mpt

        July 18, 2018 at EDT pm

      • I wasn’t talking about immigrants like you. Only subhuman immigrants.

        Otis the Sweaty

        July 18, 2018 at EDT pm

      • @mpt There is an opioid epidemic in some blue states as well, Vermont is one of the worst per capita. I am also cheering for the opioid epidemic to get worse and I feel no guilt about it. I don’t like the kind of people that shoot up drugs. I hate that there is such a thing as Narcan that reverses overdoses. It’s keeping a lot of bad people alive.

        Jay Fink

        July 19, 2018 at EDT am

      • “cheering for more opoid epidemic in red states!!”

        that sounds subhuman to me

        destructure

        July 19, 2018 at EDT am

    • I long ago learned that nobody can predict the future. It is always educated guesses (or utter nonsense, but that’s another story). I hope your prediction turns out to be a super-educated guess! Unforeseen events can take the world in entirely unexpected directions.

      amused observer

      July 18, 2018 at EDT pm

      • 1. Trump’s re-election is a certainty, although the margin that he wins by is up in the air.
        2. After Trump wins, the passing of the Immigrant Annihilation Act is also guaranteed, as the 2020 election will be entirely about immigration and everybody will be made to see that the Democrats are intent on electing a new people. 2016 was mostly about the foibles of Trump and Hillary, 2020 will be all about white genocide.
        3. The collapse of the EU is baked in, along with the establishment parties in Western Europe, but I can’t give a time frame for it. The UK and Germany are particularly pozzed but anti immigrant governments will certainly be running France, Sweden and Norway by 2030. I suppose it is possible some form of the EU could survive, but it will be an anti immigrant EU.

        Yes of course surprises can and will come up. Nobody in 2014 could have predicted Trump and yet he has changed the course of human history. I expect surprises but I am also confident that there will be no surprises that upend the predictions that I have made.

        Otis the Sweaty

        July 18, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Nothing is a certainty. Don’t be like Dems who thought a Hillary win was a certainty.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        July 18, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Trump’s win was part of G-d’s plan. That is why I am so certain Trump will win re-election. G-d hates immigrants.

        Otis the Sweaty

        July 19, 2018 at EDT am

      • The pope says the opposite, and the pope can talk to god so he must know.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        July 19, 2018 at EDT am

      • The pope can talk to god about as much as any other priest, rabbi or imam can. Which is to say, they all talk but no one talks back unless they’re schizophrenic.

        destructure

        July 19, 2018 at EDT am

      • The Pope is a southerner, which automatically puts his high priest status in suspicion. According to me. What is not debatable is that he is more politician than priest, which does cast doubt on his suitability in his position. How future generations will view him, and all of Vatican II, remains to be seen. That will depend on who wins the broader cultural war. I hope that Jews are okay with a reversion of Vatican II.It may be necessary to save the Catholic West from what is destroying the West in total.

        Jon

        July 19, 2018 at EDT pm

      • The Catholic Church has been corrupt for hundreds of years. That’s why Martin Luther broke away from it way back when. And I don’t mean the civil rights guy.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        July 19, 2018 at EDT pm

    • destructure

      July 18, 2018 at EDT pm

      • I think Lion seems to have largely transcended the idiot Trump supporter “he’s pissing off the liberals therefore he must be doing a great job” mentality. Would you agree with that Lion? You read that article and all you can think about is the millions of illegal immigrants Trump has done nothing to get out of the country, the millions of naturalizations he did nothing to prevent, the millions of people granted permanent residency that he did nothing to stop, and just what an idiot you’d have to be get excited about some at best drop of the bucket clearly designed to elicit outrage rather than accomplish anything.

        Magnavox

        July 19, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Incorrect. This establishes a formal precedent of denaturalization. With Kennedy gone, challenges will go in our favor and further expand it. That’s the importance of having a conservative SC.

        destructure

        July 20, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Theres already denaturalization, it’s just very very rare. It could get much less rare and still not amount to anything. The smart thing would be to pay people to renounce their citizenship. That could do real good.

        Magnavox

        July 20, 2018 at EDT pm

      • “Theres already denaturalization,”

        They denaturalized people who lied about being members of organized crime, terrorist organizations, etc. But only if it came to light. They’ve never had a permanent group that went out and investigated naturalized citizens looking for fraud.

        destructure

        July 20, 2018 at EDT pm

    • Making zero predictions here but if Kobach wins in Kansas, it would be like the Civil War all over again. For all you history buffs events in Kansas presaged the big one back in 1861. Go look it up.

      gothamette

      July 19, 2018 at EDT am

    • What about the 30 million illegals here? Will they be deported?

      DdR

      July 19, 2018 at EDT am

      • Yes they will be destroyed during Trump’s 2nd term

        Otis the Sweaty

        July 19, 2018 at EDT pm

    • You forgot: by the late 2300’s the Trumpian Star Empire settles the Alpha Quadrant.

      Mike Street Station

      July 19, 2018 at EDT am

  3. The elites can’t be reformed without destroying the current system. Because the current system encourages the elites to support self-destructive policies. I realize this gets into the whole nature vs nurture thing of hbd. But I’ve always believed in nature AND nurture not ether / or. After all, twin studies show that political orientation is 50% each.

    Ceterum censeo democratia esse delendam

    destructure

    July 18, 2018 at EDT pm

  4. We need to have a real discussion on the issue of immigration, but you have to realize that no one supports open borders. The disagreements are about what is the best way to reduce the illegal immigration rate to almost nothing. It does not take a fence or a wall on the whole border to do that.

    We have the problem with illegal immigration because we are not willing to do the straight forward things needed to solve the problem, like mandatory E-Verify with stiff penalties for employers that hire people under the table without checking status. The reason that has not happened is because employers hate the idea and they give big money to campaigns of both parties. Business also likes the available supply of cheap labor, especially in agriculture. In order to get agriculture to go along with E-Verify there were probably need to be temporary or seasonal worker visa program.

    MikeCA

    July 18, 2018 at EDT pm

  5. Lion, there’s two halves of the US elite: the economic and the cultural. The economic elite is just as bad.

    Magnavox

    July 18, 2018 at EDT pm

  6. Proles aren’t the ones pushing 10 year old drag queens. The moral degeneracy is coming from the elites.

    Dave Pinsen

    July 18, 2018 at EDT pm

    • They’re the ones pushing violence, illegitimacy, obesity, ignorance, philistinism, etc.

      Magnavox

      July 18, 2018 at EDT pm

      • They are? Was it proles who decided to launch pointless wars in Iraq and Afghanistan? Was it proles who lionized single moms? Was it proles who promulgated a food pyramid telling everyone to load up on grains?

        When did proles start getting fat? Do you see a lot of fat proles in news footage from the ’60s or earlier?

        Dave Pinsen

        July 18, 2018 at EDT pm

      • No. The upper and upper middle class are pushing those things through their misguided policies.

        destructure

        July 18, 2018 at EDT pm

      • So are you gonna Rob proles of any moral responsibility and credit for all the supposedly great things they do too? Or this just like a family pet situation where you credit them for everything nice they do but explain away everything bad?

        Proles did support the wars the most, do the most to promulgate the culture of single motherhood and obesity, etc. Yes by the very definition of being proles they don’t occupy positions of great power.

        Magnavox

        July 19, 2018 at EDT am

      • [load up on grains]

        If you look at cookbooks from the 1800s there are many chapters dedicated to grains, breads and desserts. People were just as dessert and bread crazy then as they are now. The only significant change to modern diet (IMO) is that people avoid fatty meats and opt for leaner meats. People still eat fat (not sure if it’s true but I’ve read fat consumption has remained static for decades) but the fats are coming from dairy and vegetable oils (in desserts), not from fatty cuts of meat. Cooking with lard is basically unheard of except in ethnic or haute cuisine. Perhaps the lack of animal fats in diet causes more hunger, leading to overeating on grains.

        toomanymice

        July 19, 2018 at EDT pm

      • The black illegitimacy, obesity, crime rates, drugs, etc were all much lower in the 50’s. It wasn’t until the left took power in the 60s and 70’s and started pushing their policies that those things became a problem. And they’ve continually gotten worse until they plateaued at a very high rate. The same thing happens to hispanics who immigrate.

        Dysfunction among working class whites may have started a little later and climbed a little slower but has similarly gotten worse the longer the left has been in power. And this didn’t just happen in America but every western country that instituted those policies. Whatever is plaguing the black community did NOT start until the left took power and is plaguing everyone else as well. It just hits lower IQ people harder.

        I’m not denying moral agency to anyone. But the lower one’s IQ the less moral agency one has. I absolutely have more free will than blacks, working class whites and you. Not because of privilege but because I’m smarter and therefore more capable of influencing my environment rather than the other way around..

        destructure

        July 19, 2018 at EDT pm

      • destrcuture: Why don’t you take your higher IQ and read a book about critical thinking. There was plenty of liberal influence back when things were great and plenty of conservative influence as things got worse. When you get to the chapter on cause and effect hopefully you’ll be able to understand how completely and totally that undermines your argument.

        The only significant change to modern diet (IMO) is that people avoid fatty meats

        People eat all sorts of processed lab developed foods that didn’t even exist 100 years ago.

        Magnavox

        July 19, 2018 at EDT pm

      • If you think conservative policies caused the increase in dysfunction then, by all means, I’d love to hear your “cause and effect” explanation for it.

        destructure

        July 19, 2018 at EDT pm

      • “Whatever is plaguing the black community did NOT start until the left took power“

        You’ve got things backwards. The normal trend line for blacks is pretty much what you see today. The 20s -50s, where whites used cultural dominance to impose white morality on blacks, produced some increase in marriage and decrease in illegitimacy, but they were of short duration and whites lost interest. Now things are back to the norm. In the 1820s, even though blacks were only 1:33 of Philadelphia’s population they committed 30% of the crime. That’s the norm.

        Curle

        July 19, 2018 at EDT pm

      • “When did proles start getting fat?“

        When they gave up cigarettes.

        Curle

        July 19, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Curle — What one’s feral behavior looks like in the absence off any social restraint isn’t the point. Civilization will always enforce some form of social policy, whether it’s victorian morality, liberal permissiveness or something else. Conservative morality dominated through the early 60s and liberal morality has dominated since. Liberal government policy has similarly dominated throughout the period that dysfunction has increased.

        PS: Still waiting for maggie to make his “cause and effect” argument.

        destructure

        July 19, 2018 at EDT pm

      • In terms of giant drivers of dysfunction, the right wing anti working and middle class economic policies are very near the top. As are the bipartisan pro immigration and anti eugenics ones.

        Your argument is basically that the government feeding and housing poor people is somehow the root of all evil? I think those programs solved more problems than they created, and that they should be paired with birth control requirements. But there are plenty of countries with far more generous welfare systems and no such requirements that have higher standards of living than the US.

        The really horrible thing that the left is responsible for is the civil rights movement, which European liberals were largely immune to until very recently, and is actually wreaking havoc on those countries (unlike their feeding and housing poor people).

        Magnavox

        July 19, 2018 at EDT pm

      • “the right wing anti working and middle class economic policies are very near the top. As are the bipartisan pro immigration and anti eugenics ones.”

        I’m not aware of any right wing policies that are either anti working and middle class or pro immigration and anti eugenics. If you’re going to make a cause and effect argument regarding policies causing dysfunctions then you need to be specific about which policies are causing which dysfunctions.

        “Your argument is basically that the government feeding and housing poor people is somehow the root of all evil?

        90% of those on welfare are single mothers. That’s not “feeding and housing poor people”. That’s just subsidizing degeneracy. The epidemic of illegitimacy, drugs, gangs and violent crime began when the government “started feeding and housing poor people”. Dysgenic birth patterns also increased around this time. Any charitable act that increases dysfunction and dependence is indeed evil.

        I think those programs solved more problems than they created,

        As I just explained, it’s the opposite.

        “and that they should be paired with birth control requirements.”

        I would support a eugenic birth control requirement. But I think most people would consider that a rightwing policy not a leftwing one. Furthermore, there’s never been one. So I don’t see how that’s responsible for the increase in dysfunction and pathology.

        “But there are plenty of countries with far more generous welfare systems and no such requirements that have higher standards of living than the US.”

        They may have a higher average standard of living but, when you separate America into it’s demographic compenents, you’ll find that’s not the case. For example, Scandinavia may have a higher standard of living than America but Scandinavians living in America have a much higher standard of living than Scandinavians living in Scandinavia. This is similarly true of other demographics.

        On the other hand, Scandinavia’s “far more generous welfare systems” have resulted in both a 70% illegitimacy rate as well as a catastrophic birth rate. Socialism fails everywhere it’s tried.
        *
        Your emotionally driven values are causing you to support irrational and self-destructive policies.

        destructure

        July 20, 2018 at EDT pm

      • “90% of those on welfare are single mothers. That’s not “feeding and housing poor people”. That’s just subsidizing degeneracy.”

        Yet the same people who oppose welfare also oppose abortion.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        July 20, 2018 at EDT pm

      • “Yet the same people who oppose welfare also oppose abortion.”

        Don’t be so quick to believe leftwing talking points. The largest pro-life organizations oppose welfare reform because they believe reducing welfare will encourage abortions. And I think you’ll find many pro-lifers are also bleeding hearts who support welfare.

        destructure

        July 20, 2018 at EDT pm

      • “The largest pro-life organizations oppose welfare reform because they believe reducing welfare will encourage abortions.”

        They are right! Why get an abortion if the government will give you free money for having a baby?

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        July 20, 2018 at EDT pm

      • I’m not aware of any right wing policies that are either anti working and middle class or pro immigration and anti eugenics.

        I stopped reading at this point. I’ve said this many times it’s pathologically pathetic for an adult to have your kind of Manichean world view but it’s many many times more pathetic that of all the forces of good and evil you could pick you’ve glommed onto the two mainstream contemporary american political ideologies.

        You’re incapable of saying intelligent sensible things about the topics discussed on this blog. I suspect that’s in large part because you’re just very bright but it may be an emotional thing.

        “90% of those on welfare are single mothers. That’s not “feeding and housing poor people”. That’s just subsidizing degeneracy.”

        Yet the same people who oppose welfare also oppose abortion

        Lion, he’s dumb. Not even the fun kind of dumb person that is constantly throwing you off your game with interesting and novel dumb things you would never think of. It’s just garden variety libertarian fantasy: socialism has failed because even if socialist countries have literally the highest standard of living anywhere it’s not as high as I imagine it would be in a country run the way I would like.

        Magnavox

        July 20, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Leon — “They are right! Why get an abortion if the government will give you free money for having a baby?”

        I know. That’s why welfare promotes dysfunction.
        **
        maggie — “I stopped reading at this point.”

        And at what point did you stop thinking?

        destructure

        July 20, 2018 at EDT pm

      • [People eat all sorts of processed lab developed foods that didn’t even exist 100 years ago.]

        I doubt processed food causes obesity at an endocrine/ metabolic level. The body responds to food as fat, protein, carbohydrates or poison (ie alcohol) and reacts accordingly. There is no fundamental difference, as far as your digestive tract is concerned, between oreos and lovingly baked organic cookies.

        But if the majority of fat we consume now arrives packaged with sugar, in the form of desserts, and not muscle meat as has historically been the case, this might leave people less satiated and prone to overeating. The push for lean meats marks the precise nascence of the obesity epidemic.

        Eating large quantities of processed food does make our corpses decay more slowly due to all the preservatives that remain to whatever degree in our system, or so I’ve read.

        toomanymice

        July 21, 2018 at EDT am

  7. We are virtuous though, in our personal lives. It’s just that we don’t care for pushing our views onto others. The blacks, hispanics, the white proles, they can do what they want as long as it doesn’t affect us. If they keep their crime and dysfunction in their own neighborhoods, why should I care?

    Also, we’re not anti-America or pro-America. We are apathetic about America. We simply don’t care either way. We’re mostly concerned about our personal lives. Just because most politicians come from the upper or upper middle classes, doesn’t mean that most UC or UMC people want to be politicians. Most of us couldn’t care less.

    SC

    July 18, 2018 at EDT pm

    • Our age is Victorianism in reverse. One hundred and fifty years ago the ruling elites preached morality but led decadent personal lives. Today, they endorse degeneracy of all sorts yet live incredibly mundane personal lives.

      B.T.D.T.

      July 18, 2018 at EDT pm

      • I can’t speak for others in my social circle, but I certainly don’t endorse immoral behavior. It’s just that when the blacks, hispanics, and prole whites keep their immorality in their own neighborhoods I am apathetic to it.

        SC

        July 19, 2018 at EDT am

      • Today, they endorse degeneracy of all sorts yet live incredibly mundane personal lives

        Do they??? (paging Harvey Weinstein, Bill Clinton and Jeffrey Epstein)

        GondwanaMan

        July 19, 2018 at EDT pm

      • “Today, they endorse degeneracy of all sorts yet live incredibly mundane personal lives

        Do they??? (paging Harvey Weinstein, Bill Clinton and Jeffrey Epstein)”

        I think he was referring to the liberal professional classes, not necessarily multi-millionaires or celebrities.

        Mike Street Station

        July 21, 2018 at EDT am

  8. Great insight – I think you are correct. The question is, how do we get there from here?

    Black Death

    July 18, 2018 at EDT pm

  9. “prole tastes and prole moral degeneracy.”

    No.

    Issac

    July 18, 2018 at EDT pm

  10. Your contempt for proles mirrors the elite contempt for you. Food for thought.

    Issac

    July 18, 2018 at EDT pm

  11. [pandering to prole tastes and prole moral degeneracy,]

    errr proles tend to be old fashioned and not degenerate. Maybe you need sub categories of proles (meth heads, heroin addicts, single moms etc) but the married proles are the trump voters. And elites despise proles and certainly don’t pander to their tastes (nascar, country music, evangelical churches, oh the horror).

    Here in your vilified staten island there were two time.anomalies, one in 1950 and the other in 1980. There are housewives pushing baby carriages and teenagers with ‘madonna’ hair.

    toomanymice

    July 18, 2018 at EDT pm

    • Who are the criminals, single mothers, obese people, and so on if they’re not proles?

      Magnavox

      July 18, 2018 at EDT pm

      • As the war on poverty has progressed, those things have gotten worse. They’re an indirect result of the big government policies you like to jerk off to.

        destructure

        July 19, 2018 at EDT am

      • Isn’t there a level or two below proles? Most criminals, especially the violent ones are sub-prole.

        Jay Fink

        July 19, 2018 at EDT am

      • The majority of americans are overweight to obese across all social strata. For some groups (like white males) wealth is associated with greater body weight.

        The women who are NOT single mothers are those with four year degrees. Their marriage rates, and in-wedlock birthrates have remained steady for generations. So perhaps ‘proles’ should be broken down into various categories based among other things on education.

        As far as crime these stats are gonna be confounded by the fact hispanics are counted as white. But without a doubt drugs have taken a huge toll on prole white populations.

        toomanymice

        July 19, 2018 at EDT am

      • My point still stands that lion was right on to talk about the terrible taste, dysfunction, and pathology of proles

        Magnavox

        July 19, 2018 at EDT am

      • Taste is a matter of taste. But if Leon is going to write about dysfunction and pathology then he should also mention the policies that have encouraged it.

        Speaking of dysfunction and pathology, I’ve never heard you mention a wife or children. It doesn’t get more dysfunctional or pathological than single and childless.

        destructure

        July 19, 2018 at EDT pm

      • It takes two people to get married and have children. At least it does if you’re a man.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        July 19, 2018 at EDT pm

      • My comment was in response to maggie specifically and single/childless people in general and not you in particular. But you’re an intelligent, educated man with a stable income and healthy BMI. You seem nice enough for the most part. Why couldn’t you find a nice woman? That’s not a wisecrack. I would sincerely like to know.

        destructure

        July 19, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Lion is correct that pre-war architecture is what attracts SWPLs/Hipsters to regions in need of civic renewal/revitalization. It’s true that prolier types tend to have low brow creativity and tend to live in areas that are excruciating dull for people with high intellect.

        Take NYS for example. SWPLs/Hipsters would never live in Long Island, unless it’s the Hamptons, but that’s not even a priority. The same goes for Staten Island and many areas of downstate NY in proximity to the city with ugly architecture. However, regions further away from the city, like the Hudson Valley are SWPL/Hipster havens with their pre-war buildings and homes. Then there’s access to groceries in public squares. I noticed most proles don’t care for farmer’s markets in open spaces that sell locally grown ingredients.

        JS

        July 19, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Speaking of dysfunction and pathology, I’ve never heard you mention a wife or children. It doesn’t get more dysfunctional or pathological than single and childless.

        That’s maybe the dumbest comment you’ve made yet! And that’s saying something. Gotta love all the dumb proles on here spinning their wheels having smoke blow out of their ears trying to come up with reasonable and intelligent defenses of proleness.

        Magnavox

        July 19, 2018 at EDT pm

      • One can always tell when another has lost their sh** because they start sputtering insults like Daffy Duck without making an actual point. Being single and childless obviously bothers you. It should. But you should realize that your worldview and values played no small role in your failed life. What you believe is wrong not because I say so but because nature does. The universe has erased you from existence and your childlessness is the evidence.

        destructure

        July 19, 2018 at EDT pm

      • “Why couldn’t you find a nice woman?”

        Perhaps your skill at discerning the nice from the not nice is better than for many fellows. Many who are not nice can seem nice for extended periods of time.

        Curle

        July 19, 2018 at EDT pm

      • It doesn’t get more dysfunctional or pathological than single and childless.

        The actual most dysfunctional pathological thing you can do is bring kids into some horrible hopeless life, something that happens at least a million times a year in the US. That’s elemental to understanding America’s problems.

        Magnavox

        July 19, 2018 at EDT pm

      • “The actual most dysfunctional pathological thing you can do is bring kids into some horrible hopeless life”

        Do you have a horrible hopeless life?

        destructure

        July 20, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Statistically, they are mostly minorities.

        George Lesenby

        July 20, 2018 at EDT pm

  12. i have relatives in virtually every white social class.
    The “proles” (truck drivers, tattoo artists, etc) are far preferable to the “elites” (Ivy League grads who work in proper liberal jobs like therapists.) Both groups are basically decent people, but the “elites” are so much more judgmental than the “proles.”
    At least in my family.

    amused observer

    July 18, 2018 at EDT pm

    • I have relatives ranging from straight prole to upper, but since my family is from the South, absolutely none are liberals or at least not openly. Cultural cohesion can be maintained given the right circumstances.

      Curle

      July 19, 2018 at EDT pm

  13. From what I see for any long term period, elites only work in the interest of proles when there is a strong enough ethnic bond. Of course, not even always then, but that criterion is the foundation for any possibility of culturally benevolent elites.

    Mark

    July 18, 2018 at EDT pm

  14. Once, I was driving just outside the Capital Beltway on Interstate 95 when another driver suddenly cut into my lane, causing my car to lose control and skid off the road to the side of the shoulder, at a 180-degree angle. Thank God, no one was injured and my car sustained only one minor damage. But I was pretty shaken up and sat there for 15 minutes or so before the police showed up. The only other person who stopped to kindly check on me was a scruffy looking big rig driver, someone whom Lion and JS would describe with contempt as a “prole”. All the D.C. elites just zoomed by, carrying on with their busy lives.

    I love this kind of proles, and so does Trump.

    me

    July 18, 2018 at EDT pm

    • There’s something about this that strikes a chord with me. This sort of behavior is the true “heart” of western man.

      Either you get it or you don’t. The future is war between scruffy people who stop to help, and their allies, and everyone else.

      jjbees

      July 18, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Either you get it or you don’t

        A perceptive observation.

        me

        July 19, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Again proles are like dogs to their defenders. All their good behavior is an expression of their fundamental goodness and anything bad they do is just because they don’t know any better and can’t be held against them.

        Magnavox

        July 19, 2018 at EDT pm

    • Just the other day I cut in front of another car suddenly, a pick-up truck actually. I wasn’t trying to be a dick, it’s just that the car in front of me in my lane was going painfully slow and I got one of those spasms of impatience. Anyway, it wasn’t serious enough to really inconvenience the pick-up driver, but he was a macho, contractior type, so he decided to teach me a lesson. At the next light, he got of his truck and rushed my window, doubtless planning to punch me in the head. Fortunately, I anticioated this and grabbed my Kimber Pepper Blaster. Amazingly, despite having to turn about 120 degrees in my seat, I nailed him right in the face when he was about 10 feet away. Hell of a shot if I do say so myself.

      Marty

      July 18, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Years ago, I was riding in a car with a friend when she suddenly had to step on the brakes to avoid a pickup truck that was blocking the entrance to a supermarket parking lot. The cars behind her were forced to stop, as well, blocking her from backing up. Impatient drivers started honking at her, so she started blaring her horn, as well.

        A hulking redneck-looking guy got out of the truck holding a baseball bat. His facial expression was positively homicidal. He began walking – extremely slowly – in our direction.

        My friend screamed (through the open window), “What the f**k are you doing?” I hissed at her to be quiet.

        I made eye contact with the redneck and tried to muster up my best psychopathic stare. I steeled myself for the possibility that I might have to leap out of the car to confront the stranger at a moment’s notice.

        (I’m a pretty big guy, but I try to avoid getting into fights. I didn’t want to escalate the situation if I could help it.)

        The guy stopped only a few feet away from our windshield. I kept my eyes on his; he kept his eyes on mine. Finally, after maybe ten or fifteen seconds, he turned around, got back into his truck, and pulled up enough to let us go by.

        (All the while, the other drivers were honking and screaming obscenities at us.)

        Needless to say, we ended up going somewhere else for groceries.

        Stan Adams

        July 19, 2018 at EDT am

      • Neither of those guys should have gotten out of their vehicles. But spraying someone in the face with pepper spray under those circumstances is probably a felony. As for Stan, riding one’s horn and screaming obscenities are both illegal and foolish as well as dangerous. Do it to the wrong person and they might kill you.

        Unfortunately, it doesn’t sound like anyone learned very much from the incidents. Which is a shame since everyone involved sounds ridiculous.

        destructure

        July 19, 2018 at EDT am

      • I, personally, never honk my horn or scream obscenities at anyone. As for my friend, that incident and a few others made it clear to me that she was not LTR material.

        Stan Adams

        July 20, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Stan — Very wise… on both points.

        destructure

        July 20, 2018 at EDT pm

  15. Is obsessing over the lives of celebrities like Anthony Bourdain and instagram models prole or elite behaviour? If its the latter then I’ll stick with the proles.

    DataExplorer

    July 18, 2018 at EDT pm

    • Right, the proles are all discussing philosophers and scientists among themselves. Not.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      July 18, 2018 at EDT pm

      • For our elites to espouse virtue among our citizens, this would be synonymous to reducing consumer spending. Our economy and country depend on it or else we would see a fallout of society. Much of our civilization have been running on proles.

        JS

        July 18, 2018 at EDT pm

      • When was the last time you had a meaningful discussion about philosophers and scientists outside of this blog? Don’t kid yourself. SWPLs don’t sit around discussing that either.

        destructure

        July 19, 2018 at EDT am

      • I never said they did.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        July 19, 2018 at EDT am

      • Few people do that. Elite and lower prole (crossing into lumpenprole) values / interests do have crossover, as Fussel pointed out.

        White upper and middle proles, aside from their children, tend to talk about sports, work, family and women in my experience. Today you might add politics.

        In prior decades, politics and unless there was a war on, might have been replaced with discussion of the Church softball league, the Elks or Rotary Club, or their involvement in the next Boy Scout outing with their kids. That was my personal experience with my grandfather’s generation, anyway. My father’s generation, in their prime as opposed to their current geriatric years, cutting that conversation down to sports, work, family, and party centric topics even while in their parenting stage. Fucking degenerate boomers.

        Jon

        July 19, 2018 at EDT pm

  16. lion, are you blocking articles from unz being posted here?

    Simba of the Blogosphere

    July 18, 2018 at EDT pm

    • They were blocked automatically by the spam filter. As it deserves to be. So Unz is anti-Semitic, what else is new?

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      July 18, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Speaking of which, Ron Unz himself has an article up now “Oddities of the Jewish Religion”.

        Jay Fink

        July 19, 2018 at EDT pm

  17. The obvious answer is the military. Military officers tend to be both virtuous and highly intelligent, and historically they are the most likely group to successfully overthrow a corrupt governing elite.

    PerezHBD

    July 18, 2018 at EDT pm

    • Military officers today are middle class, not bad people, not idiots, but not geniuses either.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      July 18, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Military officers are the elites of the proles and they have a high enough IQ to govern. In that capacity, they can apply the force necessary to enforce and promote virtue among the actual elites. This is what Pinochet did in Chile.

        PerezHBD

        July 19, 2018 at EDT am

      • You’ll find a fair number of elite, well educated men and women at West Point.

        Jon

        July 19, 2018 at EDT pm

  18. A nation is one body where every person has its place and nobody should be looked at with contempt or treated unfairly. This is what government should be for – to bring harmony to society. Western governments are bringing strife, diversity and destruction to their people. They use the taxes collected from the population to finance their destruction. Only tanks in the streets and a military dictatorship can save the Western Civilization at this point.

    The only exception are the politicians – they should be exterminated. There is less than half a dozen members of the Duma that shouldn’t be shot, maybe a two or three dozen in the Congress. They have to pay for their actions. This is justice and justice can be cruel, but it’s fair.

    Yakov

    July 18, 2018 at EDT pm

  19. Lion, here’s the only essay you need to read on this topic. It appeared in the New English Review, August 2010.

    https://newenglishreview.org/Mark_Anthony_Signorelli/Elites%2C_Real_and_Otherwise/

    njguy73

    July 18, 2018 at EDT pm

  20. Our elites realize that most Meriproles are just that. No need to digress. It’s much easier to convince to an alcoholic to have another one than to go cold turkey. Besides, capitalism and hedonism work very well together.

    JS

    July 18, 2018 at EDT pm

  21. At the very least, a nation needs elites with interests aligned with the nation’s. China has leaders who are not paragons of virtue, but their leaders see that their best strategic move is creating a prosperous China for Han people. Our elites feel like they’d be better off if we didn’t exist at all.

    Greg Pandatshang

    July 19, 2018 at EDT am

    • China has not imbibed on a culture of death worship. (See: Jesus Christ)

      A Dilettante

      July 19, 2018 at EDT pm

      • The point of Christianity, from what I know (I’m not Christian), is that Jesus died and came back to declare victory over death.

        And there’s a reason why the three political philosophies in the world of “1984” are IngSoc in Oceania, Neo-Bolshevism in Eurasia, and Death-Worship (or “Obliteration of the Self”) in Eastasia.

        njguy73

        July 20, 2018 at EDT pm

  22. When meritocracy gets pushed too hard, it starts to exclude legitimate talent and selects cheaters instead because the standards are simply too high. This is the single most obvious cause of prole drift among the elites.

    Low standards are absurdly overrated as a cause of cultural decline. What usually happens is that standards keep getting pushed higher, beyond anything reasonably realistic, and the only people to meet those standards are street rats who have no other strategy than to cheat and risk everything. Excessive competitiveness reduces fitness.

    Elites who drift prole actually improve prole culture, but they drift prole because meritocracy is pushed so far that only the sleaziest cheater proles become elite now (Trump is a spoof of this kind of character, though he is actually personally honorable). It’s an inversion of the castes.

    So, the leftists who demand equality are getting it partially right. They recognize that cutthroat “tiger mom” meritocracy is putting sociopaths into power, so they substitute angry black nationalist types instead to help cool things down. The truth is that there needs to be RANDOM SELECTION to produce elites (a lottery system) and they could work to gradually lower standards of meritocracy to select more flawed, but legitimate talent instead of perfect cheaters.

    This applies to academia, capitalism, and government power positions all at once. And when I say cheaters, I don’t mean (((rootless cosmopolitans))) as much as I mean the kind of man who would literally screw his way into power. You know which faction this means. The one that doesn’t like circumcision, for technical reasons. They’re the plurality ruling power behind the scenes, as of now. It’s not the Vatican.

    Anonymous Fake

    July 19, 2018 at EDT am

    • Very thought provoking comment.

      Two in the Bush

      July 20, 2018 at EDT pm

  23. This is an interesting proposition you’ve made Lion, but the problem is that America’s identity was from its very core always about the lower-orders overcoming their heredity master classes—Tocqueville wrote about it as far back as 1835. And for a very long time America succeeded beautifully (as late as the 70s you could argue) as a country built on revolutionary moral principles. The problem now is that even if the US were able to develop a virtuous elite, how would it then differentiate itself from other conventionally elitist countries like the UK and France, and what safeguards would there be stop the US from sliding down the same slippery slope of political degeneracy that the UK, France and almost every other Western European country finds itself in. And for God’s sake, it was working class Americans who carried Trump to victory, don’t give up on them. Consider the main argument of Charles Murray’s book ‘Coming Apart’, that once balanced white America which used to live in harmony with itself, has torn itself apart into two camps, the out of touch coastal elites and the ever degenerating white working class. If these two halves could ever be melded back together, the US might once again find it’s balance and purpose.

    Roli

    July 19, 2018 at EDT am

    • I think you’re right, but do you really think you have a hope of convincing a blogger who post things “Manhattan is the only place you can get a decent bagel” of that?

      Hermes

      July 19, 2018 at EDT am

    • Very smart comment Roli. The culture war in the US is between two classes of whites, but they seem to be pulling further apart. At this point I’m not sure what could bring them together again.

      Mike Street Station

      July 21, 2018 at EDT am

  24. Errata: We have the opposite, elites who are trying to destroy our nation with open borders, out-of-control SJWism, pandering to prole tastes and prole moral degeneracy, etc.

    Moral degeneracy is just morally degenerate. There is no prole or non-prole distinction when an act is morally unsound.

    JS

    July 19, 2018 at EDT am

  25. virtuous elite is an oxymoron. The Republic is jive.

    swank

    July 19, 2018 at EDT pm

  26. In 1914 Henry Ford announced that he was doubling wages at his manufacturing plants. He did that for several reasons. One was to attract and retain the best workers. He saw that reducing turn over would improve efficiency. It made Ford’s workforce an asset that gave it an advantage. He also wanted his own workers to be able to afford to buy a Model T. Paying his workers more expanded the market for cars, which had previously been toys for the rich. This helped to create the American middle class.

    Today’s industrial leaders think globally and view workers as an expense. They shop the world for the lowest cost of labor. They don’t worry if their workers can afford to buy their products.

    MikeCA

    July 19, 2018 at EDT pm

    • Today’s manufacturing is a lot more efficient and require less humanoid hands. Capitalists do not need the best workers that Mr. Anti-Semite Henry Ford needed back in the heyday.

      JS

      July 19, 2018 at EDT pm

  27. Outside of religion, I don’t see much hope for this happening. And even religion is hit or miss these days in terms of producing virtuous people.

    Fact Checker

    July 19, 2018 at EDT pm

  28. Community cohesion disappears once diversity increases beyond a certain threshold. Some brave social scientist should figure out what that threshold is exactly. Canada’s biggest city Toronto has recently had a spike in shooting murders. All indications are that the perps are black, but as evidence of black criminality piles up, our media has gone into overdrive to shift the narrative to racism, racism, racism. The latest in grotesque news headlines today out of Toronto concerns a five year old black child who went missing from his home than later found suffering from acute head injuries. The perps identify known to the police but photo or description not released. Surprise, surprise.

    Roli

    July 19, 2018 at EDT pm

  29. Point well made but the US elites don’t attend Harvard or give a shit about the New York Times. I wrote a very lengthy blog post about who the US ruling elite truly are. I’ve put a lifetime of research into this sort of thing so expect your assumptions to be challenged and your mind to be blown as their origins from antiquity to the modern era are fleshed out in detail. If anyone could provide feedback good or bad it would be appreciated.

    https://redarmyvodka.wordpress.com/2018/07/21/the-order-of-death/

    redarmyvodka

    July 21, 2018 at EDT am

  30. Lion, you may find this relevant:
    http://qr.ae/TUIAZw

    Abe

    July 22, 2018 at EDT pm


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