Lion of the Blogosphere

News from the Harvard lawsuit

I don’t think I learned much, if anything, new from the article. It confirms that Harvard values athletes, legacies, relatives of people who donated money, and the more money donated the more Harvard values them. And that Harvard uses a “personal rating” that describes Asian applicants as being smart and hard-working, but boring (“boring” is my word, not a word used in the article), too boring to achieve great things after graduation, too boring for Harvard.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

July 30, 2018 at EDT pm

Posted in Education

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  1. I may be reading too much into this, but it seems like by not mentioning how Asians are over represented, or how many could get in, the Times is leaving the impression that this is another case of whites keeping the minority population to low levels. It’s a totally different scenario if they were to use the term “over represented” (as they are wont to do in other articles about race) as opposed to leaving the unsophisticated reader with a sense that there is Jim Crow in the air.

    Joe

    July 30, 2018 at EDT pm

  2. Those who think of Steve Sailer as an anti-semite should check out his take today on this case. He says if Harvard, to protect their brand, wants to avoid becoming overrun with asians a’ la UC Irvine. they ought to be to. This is an objectively pro-Jewish pisitikn, since letting in more asians solely on merit would adversely affect Jewush applicants.

    Vipltd

    July 30, 2018 at EDT pm

    • Harvard doesn’t treat Jews any differently than other whites. Anything that helps Jews helps gentile whites also.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      July 30, 2018 at EDT pm

      • have you ever responded to unz, himself a jew from a background much prole-r than yours?

        luke ford

        July 30, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Ron Unz says gentile whites are the most underrepresented at Harvard and would benefit the most from merit based admissions, while Jewish representation would decrease.

        Tom

        July 30, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Ron Unz is a self-hating Jew, that is if he is really Jewish at all.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        July 30, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Disingenuous much? Harvard passes over qualified gentiles in favor of jews. Given the aggregate population difference, there would be 3-4 times as many qualified gentiles as jews, yet jews are over 40% of the whites accepted. That means jews woukd be hardest hit by elimination of the yellow ceiling.

        Vipltd

        July 30, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Unz has a post about the Q index, a measure of curiosity-openness for novelty, and East Asians score low.

        JS

        July 30, 2018 at EDT pm

    • I don’t think Sailer himself is anti-Semitic. I think he knows a sizable chunk of his readers are, though, and so he throws them red meat, especially since he depends on donations.

      Tom

      July 30, 2018 at EDT pm

      • No that’s definitely not the case. Steve does not publish anything he doesn’t truly believe, he is to aspergy for that.

        Steve once called the Holocaust “the greatest crime in human history”. Given where his donations come from, that took a tremendous amount of guts and also gives proof to how much he means whatever he says.

        You could tell with the Pollard thing that he was genuinely pissed off. He was also extremely pissed off about Fischer being considered for the Fed. He LOVES to jewbait unhinged American Jews who write ridiculous anti Trump screeds.

        He’s an anti Semite for sure.

        Otis the Sweaty

        July 31, 2018 at EDT am

    • Watching Unz’s recent activities has been very depressing, an illustration of the unfortunate reality that the New Right is not ready for real leadership, despite Trump’s election. In November of 2016 Unz had all you could ask for: he was a self-made millionaire with a high IQ and extensive political and media experience. Yet what has he decided to do? Reprint David Irving and harp on “the single bullet theory.”

      Anonymous

      July 31, 2018 at EDT am

      • Unz was always trash. He campaigned against the 96 law in CA to stop providing services to illegals. Dude is 100% traitor scum.

        Otis the Sweaty

        July 31, 2018 at EDT am

  3. One of the little-discussed issues here is the status of foreign students. What, exactly, does it mean to say that a certain group is underrepresented or overrepresented? Are we using the group’s fraction of the U.S. population as a reference measurement? Or of the developed world…or the entire world?

    I’ll be vague here, but I have some recent, personal knowledge of the situation at Harvard and another elite school. Particularly at the graduate level, these schools are heavily international now. I’m aware of a Harvard graduate program with maybe 15 or 20 students of whom not a single one is American.

    Don'tDoxMeBro

    July 30, 2018 at EDT pm

    • The UK is the same. The elite universities see themselves as research institutes competing in a global marketplace for talent (ie professors and post-grads). In addition, international students command higher tuition fees. So they actively discriminate against recruiting students domestically! The idea that a university’s goal should be to educate its indigenous population, to the long-term benefit of the nation and its people, wouldn’t make sense to them. The very definition of globalists.

      The lioncub

      July 30, 2018 at EDT pm

    • Twenty-five years ago, I was the only American-born student in my graduate CS classes at the University of Georgia. The classes were all Chinese, Taiwanese, and Indian. No blacks other than one impressive Jamaican female w/ a thing for White men. One attractive Indian female, thinking I was European, once asked me what country I was from. She was a bit shocked to hear my slight southern accent.

      Deplorable Prole

      July 31, 2018 at EDT am

      • In the 80’s I went to law school with a UGA grad. Jewish guy from Philly. We got along well because we were both baseball nuts, but he was a weirdo, an Ayres-style leftist who wanted to imprison Henrry Kissinger and walked around with colies of The Nation. He even retained a bit of Georgia accent, which sounded funny when he’d argue with other Jews about Lebanon.

        mel belli

        July 31, 2018 at EDT pm

    • I read in Chronicles magazine some years back that our best graduate programs are filled with foreigners because Americans are “too hopelessly ignorant to take advantage of them.” I believe it was Chris Kopf who wrote this.

      maryk

      July 31, 2018 at EDT pm

  4. Well, it is true that the Asian graduates of Harvard and other elite schools are less successful than their white counterparts post graduation. I always assumed this was because the grinding culture that asians embrace allows them to overachieve academically relative to their ability. Northeast asians have a slight IQ advantage over whites, but not enough to account for the difference in high school academic achievement.

    Alex

    July 30, 2018 at EDT pm

    • Grinding doesn’t work in corporate America, you need schmoozing ability to get ahead.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      July 30, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Many LotB readers learned that lesson the hard way.

        Oswald Spengler

        July 30, 2018 at EDT pm

      • It’s quite interesting to note that a Japanese American was able to become a media executive at a Hollywood studio, given Hollywood’s legacy of portraying Eastern Asiatics as non-affable and one dimensional. But from a historical and HBD standpoint, the Japanese are nomadic and less domesticated relatively comparing to the Chinese. As are the Mongols of the past.

        JS

        July 30, 2018 at EDT pm

      • “from a historical and HBD standpoint, the Japanese are nomadic and less domesticated relatively“

        Nomadic? The Japanese?

        Probably why they fought so hard to exclude round eye from their islands? Why they have, or had, a custom of rejecting co-ethnics who emigrate?

        I lived around Japanese for years and never once heard them described as nomadic.

        Curle

        July 31, 2018 at EDT am

      • Japanese are a racial mix of east asians that crossed over to the islands with the original so called “proto-mongoloid” people originally living there.

        Alex

        July 31, 2018 at EDT am

    • correct. ne asians are already overrepresented for their ability. flynn showed this a long time ago for california chinese.

      luke ford

      July 30, 2018 at EDT pm

      • The real Luke Ford?

        MoreSigmasThanYou

        July 31, 2018 at EDT pm

    • it’s silly to think that “schmoozing” wouldn’t be an important part of getting ahead. getting ahead involves getting into managerial positions, which require “schmoozing.” a manager just needs to be smart enough to understand what everyone is doing. technical excellence at the actual work of the company is a pretty pointless pursuit if “getting ahead” is the goal.

      swank

      July 30, 2018 at EDT pm

  5. Trump is going rogue on immigration. This is more important than Harvard & Star Trek.

    https://www.npr.org/2018/07/30/633993070/trumps-tweets-show-he-s-betting-on-his-base-to-retain-power-in-washington

    gothamette

    July 30, 2018 at EDT pm

  6. The boring, unremarkable nature of East Asians have been addressed on HBD oriented blogs and among HBD researchers like Rushton, eons ago, before Harvard finally hints a reason why it discriminates many of them from entering as students.

    From a historical and an evolutionary perspective which may be tied to a HBD concept, East Asian Mongoloids were the 1st to develop successful agricultural mechanisms to feed a large population via rice production, a feat that Caucasoids were unable to achieve. Traits like lower empathy, low openness, high neuroticism and less civic-mindedness (a different kind from that of NAMs) are the final end points of the Mongoloids’ success in civilizational sustenance and maintenance. Nomads and semi-nomads would not have survived as a community had they adopted these types of behaviors.

    JS

    July 30, 2018 at EDT pm

    • Chinese low civic-mindedness: you are so right. I have Chinese friends who live in Brooklyn’s Chinatown (Sunset Park). The streets are dirty and there is no indication that anybody cares about the appearance of storefronts, etc. But when I go in my friends’ home, it is immaculate and furnished w/ taste. For the Chinese, it is all about the family as far as I can tell.
      Not sure how many generations it takes to get past this.

      amused observer

      July 30, 2018 at EDT pm

    • Asians have a higher average IQ (compared to whites and blacks), but with a small variance
      Jews also have a higher average IQ, but their variance is strong. There is a lot of Tay Sachs affected and Nobel laureates among jewish people.
      I live in a city with a strong japanese community, so I am in contact with many aspects of their culture. It is pretty impressive how everything is based on the purest form of hard work and discipline, from relationships to martial arts (I am a kyokushin practioner). They also save a lot, have strong family ties and are fiercely loyal.
      So, from a Harvard/SJW perspective, they are boring as hell.

      Luke

      July 30, 2018 at EDT pm

      • It’s probably more like a variance of personalities and interests combined with high IQ.

        A good observation is that Jews and to a certain extent White gentiles have shown interest in all types of academic disciplines from Art to Zoology. East Asians don’t seem to show any interest at all, given their strong presence at our colleges/universities.

        There are probably more stories about guidos coming from low brow, prole backgrounds whose parents shunned intellectual learning and later became college professors versus East Asians who came out of their passive-aggressive, academic grinding mode to pursue a discipline that required creativity and self-initiation.

        JS

        July 30, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Like Law Professor Guido Calabresi! Literally a guido, but actually a blond-haired blue-eyed Jew from Italy.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        July 30, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Well, there is a segment of Italian Americans who are well aware of the fact that their community is underrepresented in academic circles. This phenomena probably evades most East Asians and its true. East Asians are overrepresented in college campuses and severely underrepresented as intellectuals/academics

        JS

        July 30, 2018 at EDT pm

    • “and less civic-mindedness”

      So much less they avoid committing crimes, keep their countries spotless (at least Korea and Japan), have almost no homelessness, aren’t known for defaulting on loans, aren’t ostentatious (Japan again), don’t regularly send other people’s children to fight pointless wars and don’t work overtime to impoverish their fellow citizens through mass immigration.

      Curle

      July 31, 2018 at EDT am

      • Then there’s china, where motorists re-run over pedestrian victims to make sure they’re dead (less legal and financial liability if the victim dies).

        Or rounding up women for forced third trimester abortions. And spreading HIV through willfully unsanitary plasma collection.

        toomanymice

        July 31, 2018 at EDT am

  7. What athletes? Does Harvard compete at the highest level in any sport? Why do they even give sports scholarships? Just give scholarships for scholastic aptitude.

    ttgy1

    July 30, 2018 at EDT pm

    • “Does Harvard compete at the highest level in any sport?”

      Ivy League football!

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      July 30, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Ivy League Football is not fbs. it is fcs, which is the lower half of d1.

        Simba of the Blogosphere

        July 31, 2018 at EDT am

      • Actually football is the one sport where Ivies do NOT compete at the highest level. Ice hockey and lacrosse are probably their most competitive sports. Yale won the NCAA lax championship this year.

        Josh Hader

        August 2, 2018 at EDT pm

    • Division 1 Wrestling.

      MoreSigmasThanYou

      July 31, 2018 at EDT pm

    • The Ivy League does not offer athletic scholarships. They are most competitive in hockey and soccer.

      Lewis Medlock

      July 31, 2018 at EDT pm

  8. Most of the most interesting people I know, be they white, black, or whatever, are underemployed. At the end of the day, schmoozing is kind of a boring game with relatively well-defined rules. It’s just that learning them isn’t taught in school. I never understood why this was.

    hdo

    July 30, 2018 at EDT pm

    • ‘Interesting’ by definition is highly subjective.

      What harvard finds ‘interesting’ likely diverges widely from what typical readers of this blog might find interesting.

      Harvard is probably looking for high intelligence coupled with strong charisma. I’m sure we’ve all encountered people like that, who are as smart as nerds but also incredibly charming, confident and likable (ie not awkward/ creepy).

      toomanymice

      July 31, 2018 at EDT am

      • East Asians in America have done very little to shake and move American society for an high IQ group and Harvard sees this. It’s one thing to be a productive worker with charisma, it’s becomes another human dimension, when you have trendsetters, revolutionaries and rabble rousers who have charisma.

        JS

        July 31, 2018 at EDT am

    • “I never understood why this was.”

      Who would teach schmoozing in public schools? The dullards they employ as teachers?

      Curle

      July 31, 2018 at EDT am

  9. Regular universities tell you that they will prepare you for success in life by giving you the knowledge and skills, that the school you graduated from does not matter once you got the first job. This is an obvious fallacy that was discussed here before. Ivy League universities mostly do no tell you BS about knowledge and skills, but do tell you that you could make connections. However, how do you establish connections while being in Ivy league without having any to start with? You need connections with your classmate’s parents and uncles – the relatives that will be calling the right places to get you internships and then get you a job. I can guarantee that they will not care about placing you. It is true about any elite: political, financial, scientific, medical etc. When CFO’s daughter is rotating through internships at Fortune 10 company, meetings are held throughout the company on how to treat her.

    My 2¢

    July 30, 2018 at EDT pm

  10. Reading the comments there it is like having swords rotated slowly into my eyes. Half complain why rich people get a place, especially Kushner and the other half compare the Chinese to Jews. The Jews got there because they were talented and actually proved it by generating world renown scholars in almost every field possible and in addition to that also some cool people in the arts and business leaders. The Chinese produce some mid management accountants and dentists, why would anybody let them in? I would let Japanese before Chinese also, at least they got style and some originality in certain fields.

    Hashed

    July 31, 2018 at EDT am

    • Exactly, from Art to Zoology, Jews are in these fields.

      JS

      July 31, 2018 at EDT am

    • In regards to the Japanese and their scholars, there are a few who are outstanding. You cannot say the same of the Chinese whose population is more than the Japanese by a ten fold.

      JS

      July 31, 2018 at EDT am

      • I bet that the best HBD research will come out of China.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        July 31, 2018 at EDT am

      • To the point that Chinese will parrot Rushton “he was right when it comes to cautious minded mongoloids”.

        When was a last time you saw an East Asian diving deep in the ocean looking for the mysteries of life?

        Marine biology isn’t their thing.

        JS

        July 31, 2018 at EDT am

  11. News to me is that “Anemona” is a name. It sounds like anemone.

    Dave Pinsen

    July 31, 2018 at EDT am


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