Lion of the Blogosphere

NY Times right about Betsy Devos

Cracking down on crappy for-profit “colleges” and “universities” which were ripping off low IQ students and the U.S. government was the best thing to come out of the Obama administration.

The rules should have been expanded to include public and non-profit private schools as well. Instead we get cuckery to anything big business. No doubt Devos and others of her ilk believe that innovation automatically comes from the “free market,” but the only thing innovative about for-profit schools is that they are much better at marketing themselves to people who shouldn’t be going to college in the first place, and getting them to take out massive government loans to pay for bogus “education.”

Charter schools, school choice, and stuff like that are also bogus.

There is actually innovation in for-profit education, but ONLY where the education is not about doing time and getting a degree, but where the value is measured in something more direct, like being able to pass the bar exam (I have nothing but praise for BARBRI), or coding bootcamps where people really do learn how to code.

Trump should fire Devos and replace her with an education leader who will bring America-first reform to education. Real reforms I would like to see:

1. All schools should separate children by ability, so that smart children are in smart classes and the slower children are in slower classes. This would provide real benefit to primary and secondary education, even if they are public schools staffed by union teachers.

2. All government hiring and promotions should be based on scoring high on tests that demonstrate real and measurable knowledge and ability rather than having a college degree which often means nothing except that the degree-holder spend four years partying.

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Each of the two points above could be the subject of a series of long blog posts.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

August 29, 2018 at EDT am

Posted in Education

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  1. “All schools should separate children by ability, so that smart children are in smart classes and the slower children are in slow classes”

    Unfortunately, such a policy is politically impossible in a country where it’s taboo to even hypothesize that boys are better than girls at math, let alone speculate that races are different in general intelligence.

    But on the subject of gynocentrism, people are starting to wake up to the fact that student loan debt is affecting women more than men since more girls go to college. Hopefully, this should bring some needed reforms in.

    fortaleza84

    August 29, 2018 at EDT am

    • I like DeVos much better than EPA guy or FDA guy or Sessions. Charter schools is a great idea.

      mpt

      August 29, 2018 at EDT am

      • Charter schools is a great idea.

        Black kids should stay in black schools.

        Department 11

        August 29, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Please don’t say that. It doesn’t help. Poorly behaved and low IQ kids should be separated from high IQ and well behaved kids, regardless of skin color. Of course, given the average genetic differences between the races, the high IQ and well behaved group will be disproportionately white and Asian.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        August 29, 2018 at EDT pm

    • And women have an easier landing a job regardless of study or degree earned.

      Those who have been scammed by for-profit education tend to be men, usually those embarking in IT institutes that leads to nothing, simply because the pursuit of technical certificates require future time orientation and delay gratification.

      Men who enrolled in these schools are usually from the lower classes and many are NAMs.

      JS

      August 29, 2018 at EDT am

    • Politically impossible? Unless the world has changed drastically in 20 years, don’t kids still have honors and AP classes? I actually feel like my middle school and high school were more effective at keeping dumb kids out of my classes than my college was. I went to an elite college, but some of my 101 classes had football players.

      I guess you could separate kids earlier, but elementary school is mostly babysitting anyway, even for the smart kids.

      Wency

      August 29, 2018 at EDT am

      • “Unless the world has changed drastically in 20 years, don’t kids still have honors and AP classes?”

        Sure, but that’s nowhere near Lion’s proposal of universal tracking in all schools. And even AP classes have been coming under fire for racism/sexism/the usual SJW complaints.

        fortaleza84

        August 29, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Please let’s not use the word “tracking,” it’s a derogatory word made up by liberals in order to destroy a very sensible policy.

        When I was in middle school, 40% of the school were in “AP” classes and the rest (the REALLY dumb kids) were in regular classes, but they could have done a lot better than that.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        August 29, 2018 at EDT pm

    • of course kids should be separated by ability in school…and of course govt workers should be hired and promoted based on testing…but unfortunately the upper class controls the courts…the judges have long been steeped in the pro-nonwhite/anti-white mores of the upper class…and so therefore the courts have created law that effectively outlaws the solutions you proposed here.

      active pooter

      August 29, 2018 at EDT pm

    • Correct on separation by intelligence. Well, perhaps a private school could. I don’t know much about American schools.

      I understand that mass spending on “diversity” has increased the cost of universities to students. They must be spending more than before (when it was $0). The exact amount is likely carefully hidden.

      MSM stories on the huge increase on fees generally blame the schools for competing for student by building fancy swimming and such. But I’m suspicious of this.

      It’s this huge increase that’s creating so much of the debt.

      Frau Katze

      August 30, 2018 at EDT am

  2. Excellent post!!!

    I’ve commented frequently on this site about my struggles dealing with the product of these schools.

    To recap, my employer, in a fit of insanity and a temporary top boss (a female now gone) with an retired military non-officer husband (I know, weird combo), determined to use the push to employ returning veterans filled two important and IQ dependent positions with two fellows who were educated at military expense at these ridiculous fake for profit low quality open admission colleges. One has already washed out and the other is in the process it appears, but their time has been an incredible struggle for everyone else who has had to pick up the extra work created by having complete incompetents in positions with real work that had to be done. Before this horrible experience, I’d no idea about these existence of these monstrosities of fraudulence.

    We don’t need more fake colleges, we need a return to IQ tests for employment.

    Curle

    August 29, 2018 at EDT am

    • I didn’t say IQ tests, I said “tests that demonstrate real and measurable knowledge and ability.”

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      August 29, 2018 at EDT am

      • Either. Both.

        Curle

        August 29, 2018 at EDT am

      • That’s why we have certifications vs a cardboard stock from a party school.

        JS

        August 29, 2018 at EDT am

      • Tell me about it! The company hires a tech with 10 years of experience and the he doesn’t know when a thermostat does or doesn’t need a common wire. All the clients that I tell that I’m leaving want to continue being serviced by me. Obviously I’m not taking my bosses clients with me, just saying how pathetic the situation is.

        Where is Magna?

        Yakov

        August 29, 2018 at EDT am

      • “The company hires a tech with 10 years of experience and the he doesn’t know when a thermostat does or doesn’t need a common wire.”

        Exactly, hire a guy based on his ability to demonstrate competence at actual HVAC tasks, not based on a bogus trade school and experience which possibly was vastly exaggerated.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        August 29, 2018 at EDT am

    • Yeah, military people have no cultural understanding of what makes a good college. Having them make decisions about college is like putting the Chair of the English Department in charge of running boot camp on Parris Island.

      MoreSigmasThanYou

      August 29, 2018 at EDT am

    • My father taught business classes at a for-profit school towards the end of his career. He was excited to teach a finance class, but he was dismayed when not one student could so much as handle questions like “What is the interest on $200 after one year at a 6% rate?”

      So next he started giving them multiple-choice tests with math-free conceptual questions: “What is a bank? What is a loan?”

      They struggled with that, so finally he just turned it into personal finance. “What happens if you don’t pay your bills? What happens if you keep a balance on your credit card?”

      Some students still managed to get an F, but he was told he couldn’t fail them.

      He also taught some classes at a directional university, a mediocre one even by the standards of directional universities. He told me it might as well be Harvard compared to the for-profit school.

      Wency

      August 29, 2018 at EDT am

  3. “Charter schools, school choice, and stuff like that are also bogus.

    There is actually innovation in for-profit education, but ONLY where the education is not about doing time and getting a degree, but where the value is measured in something more direct, like being able to pass the bar exam (I have nothing but praise for BARBRI), or coding bootcamps where people really do learn how to code.”

    Agree and disagree at the same time. I believe in a voucher system for high schools, where the high school exists to get you into a college, or in the case of lower-IQ or low ambition / future time orientation students, it exists to secure you a job in a skilled blue-collar trade. Success would be measured strictly on the rankings of the colleges last year’s graduates are attending this year, or in the case of the Vo Tech schools, the current W2 earnings of last year’s graduates.

    This would be similar to the much maligned “cram school” system in East Asia. America has the best colleges in the world, and while our system is going astray in the humanities and needs to be tweaked (mostly just returned to what it was), it does not need to be blown up. Our high school system on the other hand sucks, and needs radical change. Why not just copy the world’s most successful system of private high school education?

    MoreSigmasThanYou

    August 29, 2018 at EDT am

  4. I am one of life’s losers who financed at TT state law school degree at sticker price using federal student loans.

    Two in the Bush

    August 29, 2018 at EDT am

    • Ouch. One of the few smart career decisions I made was dropping out of New England School of Law after one year in the evening program thirty years ago. I think tuition was only about $5K per year back then.

      E. Rekshun

      August 29, 2018 at EDT pm

      • It’s probably more like $50K now! I got a job at an insurance defense firm and life is just fine, but my financial situation is in bad shape with the debt. It’s a shame.

        Two in the Bush

        August 29, 2018 at EDT pm

  5. All schools should separate children by ability, so that smart children are in smart classes and the slower children are in slower classes.

    My suburban public school did this when I was in the 7th grade, separating students into five levels, 1 to 5, with 5 being the best-performing students. I think students were placed based on one or more standardized tests. When all students were randomly mixed, high-performing 6th graders were sitting in classes with students that read at 1st or 2nd grade level. After the segregation, I lost contact with the classmates that were assigned to levels 1 – 3.

    All government hiring and promotions should be based on scoring high on tests that demonstrate real and measurable knowledge and ability

    I once applied for a job with a mid-size county government. Along w/ the lengthy application, I had to provide three writing samples. On the day of the interview, and prior to the 2-hour multi-party interview, I had 2-hours of computer-based business-problem scenarios to solve. I got a job offer, but declined to due salary and bad vibes about the culture and management, but mostly due to salary.

    Deplorable Prole

    August 29, 2018 at EDT am

  6. devos’s father made his money by stealing so it’s no surprise. libertarian paradise.

    btw, what fraction of libertarians are amway salesmen? in general autistic people are really bad salesmen.

    the dersh is on your side

    August 29, 2018 at EDT pm

    • father-in-law actually. my bad.

      those who really care about economic efficiency can’t possibly be libertarians or freemarketeers or chicago boys.

      the dersh is on your side

      August 29, 2018 at EDT pm

  7. “The rules should have been expanded to include public and non-profit private schools as well.”

    I absolutely agree with this. And there is a mechanism, or sorts, in place. Student Loan default rates are used to determine if a school’s students can continue to receive loans. If I remember correctly, if a school has a default rate of 30% or higher for 3 years, then they are no longer able to receive loans.

    And that seems awfully lenient when the latest default rate was placed at 11.5% (and a default is when a student fails to make ANY payments during a 12 month period of time). So clearly standards should be tightened up. There are community colleges with default rates that exceed those of for-profits, but I’m willing to bet that the dollars involved are meaningfully smaller.

    If anyone is interested in the data, it is available here:

    https://www2.ed.gov/offices/OSFAP/defaultmanagement/cdr.html

    Half Canadian

    August 29, 2018 at EDT pm

  8. Diploma mills have existed forever. Anyone that elects to go to a diploma mill does so intentionally in an effort to get an easy degree.

    A pleasant and competent black female coworker was recently promoted into an overpaid fluff coordinator position at my company. Sr. management pretended to be impressed with and justified the promotion because the woman has an MBA from the University of Phoenix and a business undergrad from a very low-level HBCU.

    She revealed to me that she owes $80K in student loans but repayment is being deferred. She almost passed out when I told her that interest still accrues while in deferment.

    Deplorable Prole

    August 29, 2018 at EDT pm

    • But, the current volume of diploma mills, and thus the current high volume of diploma mill graduates, wouldn’t exist without the infusion of federal money.

      They are selling the exceptionalism fantasy to people who need an early intervention of reality. Selling unobtainable fantasies is mostly immoral in my book.

      Curle

      August 29, 2018 at EDT pm


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