Lion of the Blogosphere

Massive epidemic of women cheating

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https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2018/10/dna-test-divorce/571684/

DNA testing reveals that there has been a massive epidemic of women cheating on their husbands, getting pregnant, and then pretending the baby belongs to the husband and not to the guy she was committing adultery with.

A few years back, I discovered the same thing myself with a young female Washington Post columnist who shall not be named, and I didn’t even need to DNA test anyone.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

October 12, 2018 at EDT am

Posted in Males and Females

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  1. Where is the massive epidemic? There is a benefit to not knowing until the kids are grown up. After that you kill your wife and hide the body.

    Yakov

    October 12, 2018 at EDT am

    • There is no epidemic. The article references “dozens of people” the author heard from. Cuckoldry is historically rare and continues to be so. Various genetics bloggers have laid this idea to rest several times.

      Seth Largo (@SethLargo)

      October 13, 2018 at EDT pm

  2. “A few years back, I discovered the same thing myself”

    Wait, what?

    IHTG

    October 12, 2018 at EDT am

    • Not my own kids (which I don’t have), about a public figure. Her dad gets really pissed when people talk about it online, so she shall not be named.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      October 12, 2018 at EDT am

      • Does her last name rhyme with []? I didn’t know she had a child?

        The Man From K Street

        October 12, 2018 at EDT am

      • No name guessing please (but you guessed the right person). And she is the child of her mother and some guy her mother cheated with. (Which is an educated guess based on public as well as confidential information, but I have no firsthand knowledge.)

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        October 12, 2018 at EDT am

      • We should develop a social norm where every child born gets tested for paternity. If the test only gets done when the man suspects his wife and is willing to say so openly, then it will almost never get done. Have your kids tested: it’s a public good that benefits all the other men with untrustworthy wives.

        Blue Tribe Dissident

        October 12, 2018 at EDT am

      • We should develop a social norm where every child born gets tested for paternity.

        That would have to be backed up by social policy whereby by her husband could kick her to the curb with nothing but the shirt on her back and not have to pay alimony or child support. Right now family courts are gynocentric so even a guy who can prove that the woman cheated can’t easily get out of having to help raise the kid.

        Hermes

        October 12, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Even if the court is egregiously against him, he can still decide not to get emotionally invested in the child.

        Blue Tribe Dissident

        October 12, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Naming her brother is the same as naming her. Which is kind of uncool to the father and brother and even her. They’re all innocent even if her mother is a sleaze. By the way, I’ve never thought she was very attractive. She’s short, scrawny, plain and I despise her politics. Her husband could have done much better.

        destructure

        October 12, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Good point, I’ll self destruct this post in a few days.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        October 13, 2018 at EDT am

      • You are way too paranoid about what you post on this blog. Who cares whether some random guy who is not a public figure hates it when some anonymous blogger talks about it? What are the chances he would see it, and if he did, how could he possibly retaliate?

        Hermes

        October 13, 2018 at EDT pm

    • How did an affair in [identifying information edited out by Lion] come to be known by you?

      The Man From K Street

      October 12, 2018 at EDT am

      • She put too much information about herself on the internet. And she has brown eyes and both of her parents have blue eyes. You don’t need a DNA test to know that the mother cheated with some dark-eyed fellow.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        October 12, 2018 at EDT am

      • wow! and she has a really high IQ too. a counter-example to hereditism. the father might’ve even been cuban or asian.

        the rebel yell

        October 12, 2018 at EDT pm

      • My daughter (confirmed by DNA test) has brown eyes. Her mom has blue and I have green. Eye color genetics are more complicated than middle school biology would have you believe.

        Spoons

        October 12, 2018 at EDT pm

      • It is possible for two blue-eyed parents to have a brown-eyed child.

        Hermes

        October 12, 2018 at EDT pm

      • There was other evidence besides the eye color.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        October 12, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Eye colour isn’t quite that straightforward. I have hazel eyes, medium brown, my husband had a sort of darkish blue colour. Son has medium brown like me. Daughter ended up with dark brown. Look. I should know, she is definitely the daughter of hubby. We broke up later and he was never very enthused about her.

        The thing, he clearly wasn’t homozygous for blue eyes. He can do a DNA test anytime.

        Frau Katze

        October 13, 2018 at EDT am

      • DNA testing didn’t exist at the time my daughter was born. They were grown up with their own kids by the time DNA testing arrived.

        Frau Katze

        October 13, 2018 at EDT am

      • I think she’s attractive and since she’s Jewish I’m not surprised that Lion finds her attractive and that, perhaps, others here do not who are not Jewish. I’ve a belief that people are more attracted to their close DNA relations than to others, generally, but I don’t know if that is personal interpretation or folklore. John Lennon believed that people with similar faces liked each other. I don’t know where he got that.

        RE: DNA testing. I’m glad I did it, it cleared up some family folklore in surprising ways. Not the least confirming that there really wasn’t a large group of dark toned Dutch called Black Dutch who migrated to the American South. Turns out that at least some (maybe most) of these ‘Dutch’ were really Sephardic Jews (at least in parts of the South), who presumably spent enough time in Netherlands to acquire the name although others think most simply migrated from Spanish territories. A claim that had lingered in the region for decades but is being confirmed by DNA testing.

        Curle

        October 13, 2018 at EDT am

      • I don’t think she’s all that! I like big blonde girls like Katherine Heigl!

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        October 13, 2018 at EDT pm

      • I recall a study claiming men with blue eyes prefer women with blue eyes because if “their” kid has brown eyes, they’ll have good reason to suspect cheating. Women with blue eyes have no preference when it comes to eye color.

        Vince

        October 14, 2018 at EDT am

      • @Vince That’s not much protection. The unfaithful wife would simply need to cheat with a guy with blue eyes.

        Frau Katze

        October 14, 2018 at EDT pm

  3. With the technology so cheap, every new father should be getting a DNA test. This is a problem that is unique to this moment. It didn’t exist in the past and it should not exist moving forward.

    PerezHBD

    October 12, 2018 at EDT am

    • Gotta do it promptly. If you’ve raised the kid for a number of years, the court will declare him/her YOUR kid — DNA be damned.

      Brendan

      October 12, 2018 at EDT am

      • What I read is that if you abandon the kid as soon as you find out you can get off the hook, but that’s a hard thing to do once you’ve formed a bond.

        XVO

        October 12, 2018 at EDT pm

    • I’ve said it should be offered as part of the standard package by the hospital where the baby is delivered. You should have to mark a check box to actively decline it.

      MoreSigmasThanYou

      October 12, 2018 at EDT am

      • That won’t ever happen because we live in a gynocracy.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        October 12, 2018 at EDT am

      • You can now get a non-invasive paternity test as early as the 9th week of pregnancy.

        Rosenmops

        October 12, 2018 at EDT pm

  4. I’ll point out that the article doesn’t have any statistics, other than the “dozens” who reached out to the author and “thousands” in some group.

    Alex2

    October 12, 2018 at EDT am

  5. Chris was very diplomatic WRT what he said to his son.

    gothamette

    October 12, 2018 at EDT am

  6. On the day that I found out, I was like, I wanted to reject her, because I said my boundary was I will not raise another man’s child from an affair. My mom put me straight. She was like, “She’s innocent in this. Don’t blame her.”

    Dude’s mother takes the side of his cheating wife against her own son.

    That said, this is all his fault. He says he knew she was cheating on him, but he couldn’t catch her. So he stayed with her. The f***?

    Blue Tribe Dissident

    October 12, 2018 at EDT am

  7. It’s not a massive epidemic. There have been some studies on this by genealogists using dna analysis. When the pool is random (ie not people already doubting paternity) the non paternal event rate was less than 1%. The study done of ‘doubters’ was a non paternal rate of 10-30%. So if anything there’s an epidemic of paranoid husbands.

    I recently did an ancestrydna test and highly recommend it! You can opt to see familial matches but it’s not required. I matched with a number of second and first cousins and had a nice conversation with the grandson of my maternal grandfather’s older brother.

    Just be aware the dna databases can be accessed for criminal investigation, so if you have a past or future criminal in your family you might indirectly rat them out.

    toomanymice

    October 12, 2018 at EDT am

    • You can also be sure Google and Amazon are slurping up that data and figuring out ways to make money off it.

      bobbybobbob

      October 12, 2018 at EDT am

      • Yeah, I don’t get how people aren’t concerned about GloboCorp having your DNA.

        S.J., Esquire

        October 12, 2018 at EDT pm

      • What are they going to do with my dna? I’m not clone-worthy.

        toomanymice

        October 12, 2018 at EDT pm

      • What are they going to do with my dna? I’m not clone-worthy.

        Everyone who comments on this site is clone-worthy.

        (That’s not a joke, son.)

        Anyway, it’s not creepy to you on an instinctive level?

        S.J., Esquire

        October 12, 2018 at EDT pm

      • > What are they going to do with my dna?

        Charge you more for health/life insurance. Screen you out of job interviews. That sort of thing.

        bobbybobbob

        October 12, 2018 at EDT pm

      • I’ve done a DNA test with both Ancestry.com and 23andme.
        I’m in Canada so I don’t care about health insurance.
        I’m going to retire in a year or so.

        I can’t see a down side to it.

        Rosenmops

        October 12, 2018 at EDT pm

      • > I can’t see a down side to it.

        Your kids and immediate relatives will suffer the consequences/benefits of you having chosen to contribute your DNA to the corporate datasets. They will be correlated to you by other factors and your DNA extrapolated to them.

        bobbybobbob

        October 12, 2018 at EDT pm

    • My sister and I discovered a previously unknown half-brother. He’d been put up for adoption and had a happy home. We weren’t surprised, there were occasional hints about womanizing. The DNA firms give you a choice to communicate with the person. My genealogy buff sister couldn’t resist. He had his father’s family tree going back to about 1800 before the day was out. Neither of our parents are still alive.

      He finally tracked his mother, but the family won’t speak to him and is denying it, even though they submitted for DNA tests themselves. If they don’t trust DNA, why submit for a test?

      You can also find long-lost relatives just by doing a family tree. We found two cousins that way. At Ancestry.com.

      Frau Katze

      October 13, 2018 at EDT am

      • That’s an amazing but fraught story. Often on the ancestrydna sub you see stories of children of sperm/ egg donors whose newly discovered bio family wants nothing to do with them.

        bobbybobob, to my surprise I matched with more than 300 4-6th cousins or closer including two first and four second cousins. So my family’s data was already out there.

        Like rosen I fail to see the downside. I already had to submit a blood sample for life insurance. In my case I have records on my mother’s side going back to 1700s and was curious if it was accurate. But mostly I hope/d to connect to relatives on my father’s side for which we have spottier records.

        toomanymice

        October 13, 2018 at EDT am

      • @toomanymice The donor relatives wouldn’t have to deal with the infidelity problem. I’m assuming that’s why his mother’s family are upset. She was already married and had several children. The oldest children must remember it.

        It’s the double standard: it’s semi-OK for a man to cheat but not a woman. Bro is younger than me but older than my sister. For some reason or other, it doesn’t bother me or my sister. It was so long ago, in the early 1950s.

        The woman put her husband’s name on the birth certificate. Also, he wasn’t put up for adoption for several months.

        But he says his adoptive parents were great, and so it’s good to hear that.

        Frau Katze

        October 13, 2018 at EDT pm

  8. I still think there should be some little lion cubs running around out there on the vast, sexual Serengeti.

    ice hole

    October 12, 2018 at EDT am

  9. I don’t know how I would react, especially after raising another man’s child as my own for so long. It would have been better if he had divorced his wife when he suspected her of cheating. Besides the emotional turmoil he has suffered, not to mention the time and resources expended on his wife’s daughter, it’s not clear that he did the girl any favors. Finding out your dad isn’t your dad and mom is a cheating whore has to do a number, psychologically. While growing up as a bastard child of a single mom isn’t good, it’s still better than that.

    Georgia Resident

    October 12, 2018 at EDT am

    • “Finding out your dad isn’t your dad and mom is a cheating whore has to do a number, psychologically.”

      Then don’t tell them. Listen, the time to make a decision is when you first find out. That’s why I agree with those who say paternity testing should be mandatory. If women knew they’d be caught out then they’d either 1) not cheat 2) make sure they don’t get pregnant or 3) get an abortion. Regardless, there are other considerations. What if it’s not your first child together? A divorce would mean losing custody of your biological children as well. Better to not say anything and just drown the little bastard in a bucket. Just kidding!

      destructure

      October 12, 2018 at EDT pm

  10. I believe the evidence is still that it is quite rare, a few percentage points of births.

    Cheating seems to happen most among people whose life puts them into frequent personal contact with the opposite sex. People who like to party, who have large mixed friend groups, who work at mixed offices (or offices dominated by the opposite sex). For 30+ year-old married people, work seems by far the biggest source, since partying and large friend groups fall off as you age.

    As I’m looking for a wife, if a woman mentions a male friend of hers, I “next” her immediately. Current girlfriend is sexually inexperienced, has no male friends, has no interest in hitting parties, clubs, or bars, and works entirely with women. That’s a starting point for wife material.

    For my part, I also have no contact with eligible women unless I hit on them while out running errands. So it seems only appropriate that a mate would share this quality.

    Wency

    October 12, 2018 at EDT am

    • Cheating seems to happen most among people whose life puts them into frequent personal contact with the opposite sex. People who like to party, who have large mixed friend groups, who work at mixed offices (or offices dominated by the opposite sex). For 30+ year-old married people, work seems by far the biggest source, since partying and large friend groups fall off as you age.

      Yes, this is a good and interesting comment. I was mulling this over once, and I thought to myself, even if I wanted to have an affair (which I don’t), it would be nigh impossible. If you’re not married and busy balancing family life with work, you might not realize just how little window there actually is for any sort of “extracurricular behaviour”. We think that in the olden days society was structured to prevent men and women from getting together alone, and it was, but it *still is*, past a certain age. If I didn’t work in a female-dominated environment there would be essentially ZERO chance!

      S.J., Esquire

      October 12, 2018 at EDT pm

  11. Is there something new there? Women have always cheated their beta husbands with alpha fuckboys. In past there was no DNA testing, so nobody knew the truth.

    tmmm

    October 12, 2018 at EDT am

    • > Is there something new there? Women have always cheated their beta husbands with alpha fuckboys.

      Back in the hunter gatherer days mayyyybe.

      Since then, once you popped the first kid or two out, mom becomes too busy and there are too many witnesses for her to be cheating.

      anon

      October 12, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Yup, it’s just logistically much more difficult than people sometimes imagine. A lot of the Red Pill/”carousel”-stuff is applicable mostly to the drunken college scene. In adulthood, even if there’s mutual attraction, it’s mostly unstated, unwanted, unobserved, and ultimately unfulfilled.

        S.J., Esquire

        October 12, 2018 at EDT pm

    • You’d think people would notice a significant lack of resemblance..actually I think plenty of men overlook these things if they don’t really care. DH isn’t sure about his youngest by a younger woman who dumped him. I don’t see much resemblance but it’s not terribly off.

      But he took to the boy anyway, maybe as a way of staying in her life, before we met.

      Mrs Stitch

      October 12, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Yeah, you would think the lack of physical resemblance would give it away a lot earlier than a DNA test result.

        Mike Street Station

        October 13, 2018 at EDT am

  12. Beta males are the losers of our age.

    They uphold civilization, they are our scientists and doctors, they protect our borders, they practically do everything.

    How does society reward them? They spit on them. Especially women.

    xyagnostos

    October 12, 2018 at EDT pm

    • You have read too much redpill comics:

      tmmm

      October 12, 2018 at EDT pm

      • That’s a great comic. So true to the real world.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        October 12, 2018 at EDT pm

      • That’s great. I never saw that before. I’m going to propagate it. Thank you.

        MoreSigmasThanYou

        October 12, 2018 at EDT pm

      • It’s even better if you read the fine print. She’s using the very technology those guys she created who she wished would drop dead, in order to have sex with tattooed alphas who contribute nothing to society.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        October 12, 2018 at EDT pm

      • I did read the fine print.

        By the way, if in the last three years, you ever got a paycheck issued from one bank, and the money was deposited to an account in another bank, that transaction went through a computer system which has also run code that I wrote.

        MoreSigmasThanYou

        October 12, 2018 at EDT pm

      • The girl is kinda right though. I used to make my roommate sleep in the hallway in a sleeping bag, when my future wife was staying over. She felt bad for the guy, but I wouldn’t even ask, I would just assume that it’s perfectly fine. I would have done it for him any time, but that ‘any time’ never happened. They guy was a biology major and a major nerd. Anyway, we hooked up with another couple and l ‘moved in’ with the guy and she with the girl, but in reality we just moved in together. We had 3 couples like this on our ‘male’ floor. There were no problems. I mean, we would’ve torn apart anyone who would’ve made a sound, obviously. So, yeah, I mean the girl definitely has a point. We just dominated that floor with our girls cooking up a storm and monopolizing the showers when they were too lazy to go to the girls floor.

        Yakov

        October 12, 2018 at EDT pm

      • That is a good comic.

        But why does the guy’s Tinder profile say “Lead Programmer Chris Smith” rather than some more stereotypically non nerd profession?

        Tom

        October 12, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Chris Smith was awarded for his contributions to computer engineering, and the woman is ungratefully using his app to hook up with tattoed bad boys

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        October 12, 2018 at EDT pm

      • That reminds me of this,

        toomanymice

        October 12, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Oh I see. I thought “Chris Smith” was the name of the Tinder guy LOL.

        Tom

        October 12, 2018 at EDT pm

      • @Lion Why do you assume that alpha males are like the tattooed idiot? I expect many of them have successful lives, with productive careers, often professionals.

        Frau Katze

        October 14, 2018 at EDT pm

      • It was a cartoon that someone else linked to.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        October 14, 2018 at EDT pm

      • What are prime girl hours?

        Curle

        October 14, 2018 at EDT pm

    • Actually, this one is even better:

      tmmm

      October 12, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Another good one.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        October 12, 2018 at EDT pm

      • This reminds me of the hospital stories my wife tells me.

        MoreSigmasThanYou

        October 12, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Hahaha, holy that last frame with the guy laying in bed thinking! I sometimes do that too…

        S.J., Esquire

        October 12, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Except when I get a rare moment alone I actually like it…

        S.J., Esquire

        October 12, 2018 at EDT pm

      • He is old and bold and still alone, Iolz. All he needed to do was to marry a girl on his level. These nerds have themselves to blame. Like I’ve told before: ‘Blame yourself for your problems and you gonna have much less problems’.

        Yakov

        October 12, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Tom

        October 12, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Is he supposed to be elderly in the last two frames?

        anon

        October 12, 2018 at EDT pm

      • exactly, he spends a life of helping women give birth to demon-spawn, and he grows old alone.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        October 12, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Like I’ve told before: ‘Blame yourself for your problems and you gonna have much less problems’.

        That’s good advice for him. It’s still bad for society if responsible and productive men are considered low quality matches.

        Blue Tribe Dissident

        October 12, 2018 at EDT pm

      • You people realize these comics are drawn by a mentally unstable hapa right

        Jason Liu

        October 12, 2018 at EDT pm

      • What’s wrong with being a hapa? Are you racist?

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        October 12, 2018 at EDT pm

      • ‘It’s still bad for society if responsible and productive men are considered low quality matches.’

        By whom? The high IQ nerds should marry each other, what’s so bad? There is tons of girls that are considered second and third rate, but are good genetic material.

        Yakov

        October 14, 2018 at EDT am

      • Here’s another good one:

        Hermes

        October 14, 2018 at EDT pm

      • haha!!!

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        October 14, 2018 at EDT pm

      • They, the nerds that is, are total morons. Who marries sluts? Why creeps like these don’t just drop dead? Really?

        Yakov

        October 14, 2018 at EDT pm

      • A bit late to the party but the Slate article in Tom’s link about doctors being among the most popular male professions women are interested in is based on women’s stated preferences, not their behavior. As usual, watch what women do and not what they say. They may dream of marrying George Clooney’s character from ER or McDreamy from Grey’s Anatomy, but when they get on Tinder they’re going to swipe left on the nerdy male doctors and swipe right on the firemen. These days, most doctors are marrying fellow doctors.

        Hermes

        October 15, 2018 at EDT am

      • I think that being a medical doctor carries more weight with women than just about any other profession. Which doesn’t mean that the most undesirable of males becomes a 10 when he becomes an MD, but it means something.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        October 15, 2018 at EDT am

  13. Since this is The Atlantic, is it possible most of these numbers involve black women?

    Vipltd

    October 12, 2018 at EDT pm

    • Black people aren’t sending DNA kits to genealogy sites.

      Richard

      October 12, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Yes they are. That’s one of the biggest customer bases. Because the records are shitty and also because black families are so ephemeral, a lot of them have no idea who their ancestors are and are curious.

        bobbybobbob

        October 12, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Yes they are. That’s one of the biggest customer bases. Because the records are shitty and also because black families are so ephemeral, a lot of them have no idea who their ancestors are and are curious.

        Haha, I did 23andme and my ancestry was virtually exactly what my nerdy and introverted family always told me it was.

        Anonymous Name

        October 12, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Yes they are. That’s one of the biggest customer bases.

        Nope. A study was published on the genetic ancestry of 23andMe’s US customers and self-reported African-Americans were only 3.2% of the database, not even close to their population share. And the authors say it took a special effort directed at black users to get their numbers even that high.

        https://www.cell.com/ajhg/fulltext/S0002-9297(14)00476-5

        Richard

        October 13, 2018 at EDT am

    • According to this data I found on wiki, blacks in the US do cheat a lot more than whites. Not looking good in Mexico, either.
      ————————————————————————————-

      A large number of studies of have been conducted. Primary studies of current (as opposed to historical) non-paternity rates include:

      France: 2.8%, in a sample of 362 children. [5]
      Mexico: 9.8% to 13.8%, in a sample of 396 children. [6]
      Switzerland: 0.3% to 1.3%.[7]
      United Kingdom: “few %”;[8] 1.3%;[9] 1 to 2%, in a sample of 1,678 men. [10]
      USA, Hawaii: 2 to 3%, in a study of 1748 families with 2,839 children. [11]
      USA, Michigan, Detroit: 1.4% and 10.1%, in studies of 1,417 white and 523 black children.

      https://isogg.org/wiki/Non-paternity_event#Contemporary_NPE_statistics

      Rosenmop

      October 12, 2018 at EDT pm

      • It is inversely proportional to emotionality of the people, which makes sense.

        My 2¢

        October 15, 2018 at EDT am

  14. If by “massive epidemic” you mean modern and historic rates of 1-2% in Western countries (as shown by large sample tests and surname genomic analyses), then sure.

    JayMan

    October 12, 2018 at EDT pm

    • Plenty of people called AIDS an epidemic when only 1-2 percent of the population where affected. But society seems to have more sympathy for bathroom stall romantics than married fathers.

      Tanturn

      October 13, 2018 at EDT pm

    • Jayman swoops in again with the contrarian point of view. At least this time you weren’t the only one.

      GondwanaMan

      October 13, 2018 at EDT pm

      • It’s the correct point of view! And to Tanturn above, by standard definition, AIDS was not an “epidemic.”

        Seth Largo (@SethLargo)

        October 13, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Yeah I know. Or at least my intuition and also the majority of the evidence agrees with Jayman.

        GondwanaMan

        October 14, 2018 at EDT am

  15. There have been attempts to come up with a statistic on how frequently this occurs. What ever that number is, it is (obviously) non-zero. That’s why tracing your male lineage ancestry through public records rather than DNA gets ridiculous after enough iterations.

    If the “paternity fraud” rate is 1 in 20. If you trace your ancestry back 21 generations, congratulations. You’ve just traced your ancestry to someone who probably isn’t related to you.

    MoreSigmasThanYou

    October 12, 2018 at EDT pm

    • >If the “paternity fraud” rate is 1 in 20. If you trace your ancestry back 21 generations, congratulations. You’ve just traced your ancestry to someone who probably isn’t related to you.

      If you iterate something with a probability of 1 in x, you have a >50% chance of getting that thing after about 2/3 x iterations.

      anon

      October 12, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Or maybe more like 70% of x…somewhere in that range.

        anon

        October 12, 2018 at EDT pm

    • > If the “paternity fraud” rate is 1 in 20.’

      It isn’t. Appromixately 1% of men end up with a surname other than that of their father. This could be from cuckoldry, but it often it is a result of adoption or bastard being given his mother’s name. So the real cuckoldry rate is less than 1%, probably quite a bit lower.

      Spoons

      October 12, 2018 at EDT pm

      • “Appromixately 1% of men end up with a surname other than that of their father.”

        I imagine it’s more than that if you include divorce and re-marriage. But, yes, 1% sounds right in the context of surname difference due to cuckoldry.

        Seth Largo (@SethLargo)

        October 13, 2018 at EDT pm

  16. A friend of mine works in medical research and years ago she was doing a clinical study that required parents and kinds to participate. People get paid for these studies, and it selects from poorer people. More than half of the applications had to be thrown out because the kids were not biological. They ofc, couldn’t tell that to the parents. Ooops.

    This event really opened up my eyes to this problem. It’s a big problem in US, but one that is extremely highly correlated with socio-economic-educational status.

    Zack

    October 12, 2018 at EDT pm

    • If I have a kid, fir this I’ll do is a DNA test 🙂

      Zack

      October 12, 2018 at EDT pm

    • More common in some ethnic groups. Selecting for poorer people makes the rate much higher.

      https://isogg.org/wiki/Non-paternity_event#Contemporary_NPE_statistics

      Rosenmop

      October 12, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Agreed. There will be a huge difference depending on the demographics. That probably wasn’t the case 100 years ago though. When morals go to hell it’s the lowest classes that get hit hardest because they’re dumb and have low impulse control.

        destructure

        October 12, 2018 at EDT pm

    • Can’t be true even with a selected group.

      Tanturn

      October 13, 2018 at EDT pm

      • This was at the Yale Medical School. The sample was drawn from the local population, ie, from the ghetto in the area. If you’re familiar with New Haven, you know what I’m talking about. New Haven, CT, in spite of having rich, educated Yale students and faculty, was on the FBI most dangerous city at #4. The north of 50% figure was real, but it’s possible that the sample was too low and too biased to generalize. Still, it was just shocking to me.

        Zack

        October 16, 2018 at EDT am

  17. You guys are paranoid. The overall rate of non-paternaty-event is low, maybe 1% or 2% . And it probably mostly happens with dumb, trashy women.

    Rosenmop

    October 12, 2018 at EDT pm

    • ” probably mostly happens with dumb, trashy women.”

      That’s what i used to think, then I discovered that it happened with an Ivy League graduate wife.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      October 12, 2018 at EDT pm

      • “That’s what i used to think, then I discovered that it happened with an Ivy League graduate wife.”

        That is very rare. Besides you can get a paternity test by the 9th week of pregnancy.

        Rosenmops

        October 12, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Just because it has happened doesn’t mean it’s common.

        destructure

        October 12, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Outlier

        Are you my daddy

        October 13, 2018 at EDT am

      • Don’t forget Prince Harry.

        Curle

        October 14, 2018 at EDT pm

  18. There’s a well known human biology professor at Stanford who quotes the current rate at 10%. There’s a video of him talking about it on YouTube, I don’t have the time to look it up though. This kind of stuff is widespread, if you’ve ever been friends with dudes who are in the top 1% of status, you’ll be shocked by how many women they sleep with. Most guys aren’t even aware of how easy it is for them. It can be shocking.

    Mike

    October 12, 2018 at EDT pm

    • Stanford professor Robert Sapolsky

      chris

      October 14, 2018 at EDT am

      • Yeah, I’d watched him! Very good. I mean for a me it’s very good, Lion probably knows all this already.

        Yakov

        October 14, 2018 at EDT pm

  19. There is a strong Darwinian incentive for women to cheat.

    Sexy men will give women fitter children but are less likely to invest in children’s survival.

    VS

    Beta males will give women less fit children but he will invest in the children’s survival.

    The best Darwinian strategy for a woman is to be in a relationship with a beta male while secretly reproducing with a sexy male. This way she has kids who are genetically fit and also receive a father that will ensure their survival.

    In prole communities women can rely on government support so they don’t even bother in cheating on beta males. They have sex with sexiest guy that flirts with them.

    Jimi

    October 12, 2018 at EDT pm

    • You have been hanging around with the wrong type of women if you think this is true.

      Rosenmops

      October 12, 2018 at EDT pm

  20. At age 22, after I failed to propose to my 20-y/o steady girlfriend on our 5-year anniversary, I started to sense a change in her feelings toward me. Within a month, I proposed and presented her with a 2-carat diamond engagement ring. Her feelings toward me briefly rebounded but after two weeks she announced that she did not want to marry me (though, oddly but unsuccessfully, wished to retain the engagement ring). Over the next 8 weeks she pulled further and, ultimately, completely away. Later, and in retrospect, I was able to determine that during those painful 8 weeks, she was intimate with four other men besides myself.

    No Where Man

    October 12, 2018 at EDT pm

    • Sounds like you dodged a bullet.

      Rosenmops

      October 12, 2018 at EDT pm

  21. Does the columnist have siblings? Is it possible pops was infertile and they used a sperm donor?

    Dave Pinsen

    October 12, 2018 at EDT pm

    • The brother has blue eyes as expected and looks nothing like the sister:

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      October 12, 2018 at EDT pm

      • It’s easy to figure this out if you’re a regular Lion reader. She’s the only columnist Lion has ever mentioned several times on his blog.

        The brother looks exactly like their father. She doesn’t, to say the least.

        Tom

        October 12, 2018 at EDT pm

      • because lion took a fancy to her. she is good looking but horrible sounding. her voice is nails on a blackboard.

        how much’ll you bet she does the same thing with her man purse wearing husband?

        the rebel yell

        October 13, 2018 at EDT am

      • I have not taken a liking to her

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        October 13, 2018 at EDT am

    • Wow, he’s doing well for himself. Sold a startup for $100mm+ and now a partner at A16Z.

      Dave Pinsen

      October 12, 2018 at EDT pm

      • It pays to have rich connected parents.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        October 13, 2018 at EDT am

      • “It pays to have rich connected parents.”

        I doubt an accountant in south Florida has a lot of Silicon Valley connections.

        Dave Pinsen

        October 13, 2018 at EDT pm

      • Lots of rich people with second homes in Palm Beach, and her father does their taxes. I am SURE that his father was able to introduce him to some people.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        October 13, 2018 at EDT pm

  22. if you’ve ever been friends with dudes who are in the top 1% of status, you’ll be shocked by how many women they sleep with. Most guys aren’t even aware of how easy it is for them. It can be shocking.

    This is true. I’m, maybe, a 7 out of 10 and not specifically alpha. Without really trying, I’ve been intimate w/ dozens and dozens of very attractive woman of all variety. I’ve been very safe and never contracted an STD. Now, in middle-age, my libido is lower, and I can take it or leave it. Viagra is a wonderful supplement though.

    Sponge Worthy

    October 12, 2018 at EDT pm

  23. I’m not sure to understand if the rate is 1% or 10% ?

    I would say, in an evolutionist perspective, it would make a lot of sense for a woman to mix the gene pool of her husband.

    High on the food chain, If the woman has a high IQ introvert earning lots of money, getting a kid of a musclelar mesoporh with a lot of attitude – or the other way around – is a very good strategy, as soon as the husband don’t reject the baby.

    Down the food chain, it’s even more obvious. It’s very good for you, if the care giver is average or low, to mix your genes with people higher up the one you’ve got.

    So I would say the only caveat is that it shows (thats why family always say the kid looks like the father no matter what) and to be caught in flagranti (chinese cut the women feet !).

    So it’s probably more than 1% but less than 10% (because it is very risky). But the impluse must be extremely high for most women.

    Bruno

    October 13, 2018 at EDT am

    • This is called downward mobility albeit of the trashy sort rather than the classic sort where the rich/smarter/fit have more children and more of them survive. It is how Euros and East Asians got smarter.

      js

      October 17, 2018 at EDT am

  24. Now when I think about it, actually if you are successful and rich guy, you can have a beautiful girlfriend. You don’t have to be tattooed alpha to have a girlfriend.

    (sorry if you don’t speak Spanish)

    tmmm

    October 13, 2018 at EDT pm

    • Maybe this link works:

      tmmm

      October 13, 2018 at EDT pm

  25. My everyday observations contradict the narrative I am seeing here of white girls — even hot white girls — hating and ignoring “beta males”.

    In my office, the hot girls are really nice. For example, there are these two guys at my work who I wouldn’t consider good looking or particularly talented at their professions (they’re goofballs or bugmen), and yet they have no trouble chatting up girls, even going out with them.

    It’s very easy to fall into the ‘black pill’ way of thinking. I have fallen there before. But reality always pulls be back. I bet that most of the people who have the ‘black pill’ mindset would be disabused of it were they to go outside and expose themselves to reality.

    Personally, I am a 24 year old virgin. But women are so nice to me. I still have a lot of hope.

    DestroyedByWOW

    October 13, 2018 at EDT pm

    • An older coworker told me that “it’s the sweet once who inflict the worst damage.” I learned the hard way the truth of that observation. Nice is a good strategy for a hot girl. So is having a long list of excuses for moving on with the alpha once the beta gets you where you need to be when you attach yourself to him.

      Curle

      October 14, 2018 at EDT pm

  26. So there is no massive epidemic, Lion. Fake story!

    Yakov

    October 13, 2018 at EDT pm

  27. Is it a big problem in Israel? I have heard that infidelity rate is high there.

    My 2¢

    October 15, 2018 at EDT am

  28. I live in a shit tier country (Brazil). You would not believe how many married women I fuck, every single fucking day, if I want. Well there is gotta to be something good here. I always tell my american friends when I travel to US: if you are a beta virgin looser, just come here. American guys are usually very nice but are cucks. You were too indoctrinated by feminism.
    Being white will make you so desired by brazilian pardas (I am pale as fuck – austrian heritage). It is so easy to fuck that it is laughable.

    Luke

    October 15, 2018 at EDT pm


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