Lion of the Blogosphere

Shooting in Pittsburgh

Stupid anti-Semites. Unless the shooter turns out to be a Muslim terrorist, but I’m not optimistic.

Shooter is Rob Bowers, typical Jew hating white supremacist gun nut.

Written by Lion of the Blogosphere

October 27, 2018 at 1:18 PM

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  1. It’s not. Shooter is Robert Bowers, a 46 year old white man who has an account on gab and doesn’t support Trump because Trump is “too liberal” for him and believes the Trump administration is “infested with k***s”.

    SC

    October 27, 2018 at 1:24 PM

    • That’s all true but the media isn’t going to care and their coverage is going to beat us to hell with middle of the road soccer moms.

      Richard

      October 27, 2018 at 1:41 PM

  2. A few hours before the shooting, Robert Bowers posted a tweet that said:

    “HIAS likes to bring invaders in that kill our people. I can’t sit by and watch my people get slaughtered. Screw your optics, I’m going in.”

    HIAS is a Hebrew group that was founded to aid Jewish immigrants fleeing persecution, but now supports some non-Jewish refugees.

    MikeCA

    October 27, 2018 at 1:56 PM

    • Were refugee organizations particularly active in this location? The deeper political nature was a thing that became interesting in the long after action analysis of the Roof shooting at a black church. He was, of course, a nut job, but he didn’t walk into a random black church and shoot totally random people, as was portrayed. He actually attacked a rather politically important center and specific individuals.

      I get donation envelopes every month from the parish and every month return them via post with a note explaining that I can’t give any money while Catholic Charities remains a budget item in the diocese. Catholic Charities is a major player in “refugee” resettlement in the USA. I tell them I practice the faith but cannot give them money because of what they do with it. I CC the archdiocese sometimes. I get no responses ever.

      The Churches, Mosques, and Synagogues are a big problem for a whole bunch of reasons. Charities in general are riddled with fraud and bad intentions. The religious and charitable tax breaks need to be repealed ASAP. The muzzling of political speech in religious institutions to preserve the tax breaks is not worth the cost. The tax deductions needs to go.

      bobbybobbob

      October 28, 2018 at 1:39 AM

  3. Why would u be “optimistic” about shooter being Muslim?

    wt

    October 27, 2018 at 2:38 PM

    • It seemed likely because a lot of Muslims hate Jews and the Koran tells them to kill Jews. Muslims have killed quite a few Jews in France and of course in Israel.

      If it had been a Muslim it would be difficult for the media to spin it against Trump. Even though the shooter wasn’t a Trump supporter, they will spin this against Trump in the same way they spin Trump as being Hitler.

      Rosenmops

      October 27, 2018 at 3:32 PM

      • Dave Pinsen

        October 27, 2018 at 6:53 PM

      • “Muslim reaction in Pittsburgh.”

        I doubt that’s the typical muslim reaction. And I’m skeptical whether that’s a sincere reaction from those. I suspect that was motivated by PR considerations.

        destructure

        October 27, 2018 at 11:01 PM

      • I should add: the US Muslim population is getting worse. The influx of refugees is to blame.

        Frau Katze

        October 28, 2018 at 9:34 AM

    • Muslims have attacked Jews in Europe on a number of occasions (the number of Muslims in Europe is considerably high than in the US.)

      It’s particularly bad in France, where there quite a few Jews and a large Muslim population. Correct me if I’m wrong butt I think the French Jews are from places like Algeria that France had colonized. They’re not Ashkenazi, not many of those left in France.

      Synagogues do have guards there. More and more Jews are leaving for Israel.

      Muslims in the US are typically legal immigrants with job skills. (Excluding the wacky Nation of Islam.)

      The ones in Europe are largely descendants of “guest workers” brought in after WW 2 and – a big mistake – allowed to stay. The guest workers were unskilled, often peasants.

      Frau Katze

      October 28, 2018 at 9:31 AM

  4. Well, so much for those midterms!

    Looks like you guys can’t control your evil!

    Scott Gee

    October 27, 2018 at 2:44 PM

    • Midterms looks fine for Republicans. Senate will still b red.

      wt

      October 27, 2018 at 4:43 PM

  5. You’re right, SC.
    He charges that Trump is “a globalist, not a nationalist”.
    Will the MSM say boo about this?
    This event may show, to those who get info from non-MSM sources, that the Joo-haters are quite isolated from real Trumpism.

    aNanyMouse

    October 27, 2018 at 3:10 PM

  6. There are a lot of crazy people out there. They shouldn’t have closed down the asylums. I suppose the media will try to blame this on Trump too.

    Rosenmops

    October 27, 2018 at 3:12 PM

  7. Meh. Call me when the numbers reach 29, the number of Baptists killed in Sutherland Springs, Texas last year by a militant atheist. Stupid anti-God-ites and atheist supremacists.

    Big Bill

    October 27, 2018 at 3:21 PM

    • A muslim immigrant from Sudan shot 8 people at a church in Nashville about a year ago as well. But it went against the msm’s narrative / prejudice so it got scant coverage.
      **
      I don’t know how many times I’ve told the jews here to get armed but they just won’t listen. If a couple of those people had been armed there would be fewer dead people. One of my sisters said a surprising number of people at her church conceal carry at church. In my opinion, it’s irresponsible not too. Not that there’s a high probability of anyone being shot in a church or synagogue. But if every church and synagogue has a handful of armed people who shoot back then people with think twice before targeting them. And for that to happen, you need a handful of people at every church or synagogue who are armed.

      destructure

      October 27, 2018 at 11:47 PM

      • I am sure the Jews will hear, and will request police protection at their places of worship.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        October 28, 2018 at 8:21 AM

      • There are police cars by big Jewish synigouges on Shabbat and public holidays. It’s very humiliating to be seen as a potential victim by everyone. Jews should be trained and armed and give the cops a break.

        Yakov

        October 28, 2018 at 10:01 AM

      • Jewish holidays, I’d meant.

        Yakov

        October 28, 2018 at 10:03 AM

      • @Yakov

        “It’s very humiliating to be seen as a potential victim by everyone.”

        Your USSR roots are showing. Here in the West, it’s considered extremely desirable to be a victim.

        Of course it was like that here once, too. It started changing in the 1960s and is now reaching extreme heights.

        Frau Katze

        October 28, 2018 at 4:12 PM

  8. Lion, do you have Asperger’s Syndrome?

    It’s a rude question but use of the word optimistic in this particular case is really bad.

    I have been telling you and telling you and telling you and telling you about the anti-semites on the alt right. But somehow you even after this you don’t seem terribly worked up.

    gothamette

    October 27, 2018 at 3:53 PM

    • I’m unhappy that people died, and unhappy that the perp is such that it will make the mainstream media feel smug in their Trump-hating narrative. But the story doesn’t feel very personal to me. None of these stories do. That’s why my political analysis is so great.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      October 27, 2018 at 4:30 PM

      • Yep, why we like you.

        Drew Singletery

        October 27, 2018 at 9:18 PM

      • That seems perfectly normal to me, it’s certainly how I feel about these events. Humans are not designed to fall over and die (psychologically) when reacting to harm caused to unrelated and very distant humans. I think there’s an element of virtue signalling when people say they’re badly affected by these events – which after all are common place around the world. Economists have the phrase “revealed preference”: observe what people do, not what they say. Outpourings of sympathy etc never result in anyone actually doing anything to help the afflicted. I understand Presidents have to show sympathy for their citizens, but at the human level they too are no different from you or I. It’s all for show.

        The lioncub

        October 28, 2018 at 6:25 AM

      • Well in the grand scheme of things, it’s kind of pointless to get wound up over 11 deaths when there are 40,000 deaths every day, many of them tragic. What matters is the politics of the situation — what is meant by the shooter and how people perceive the meaning of the event.

        fortaleza84

        October 28, 2018 at 10:37 AM

    • 1) I’m not optimistic about X means he is pessimistic about X
      2) being optimistic about X ca be synonymous of being confident about X with a view that X is a better outcome than non X and that this, having x instead of non X, makes you happy. It’s true that you could have expected someone when his community is targeted not to care about a possible benefit about this fact, or at least not express it.

      —-> this kind of analysis is very frequent among high IQ person
      —-> it correlates with being higher on the spectrum, without necessarily having high functional autism or Asperger
      —> Lion could do this test :

      https://psychology-tools.com/autism-spectrum-quotient

      – 75% of the people who gets more than 32/48ends up with a formal asperger diagnosis when they pass the test.
      – 1% of students of takes the test get more than 32
      – 50% of math Olympiad UK team were above 32
      – average asperger score is 41 and 80% of them are above 32
      – it’s not a scientific test – as Pumpkinperson notes – but a isomorphism with criteria used by psychiatrist to diagnose Asperger in clinics

      Bruno

      October 27, 2018 at 5:23 PM

      • fun test, my score was 19
        find that interesting, since I feel very socially awkward at parties and such
        thanks for posting the link

        Johnson

        October 27, 2018 at 8:03 PM

      • Doesn’t work on my iPad. It lets you fill in the answers but when you press “score my answers” nothing happens.

        Oh well, I know I’m not autistic. I’ll try it tomorrow from my desktop.

        Frau Katze

        October 27, 2018 at 11:15 PM

      • I scored a 26 indicating some Asperger’s traits.

        Bryan Bell (@bjwbell)

        October 27, 2018 at 11:41 PM

      • Yeah, was fun. Got 30. Two of my girls got 19 and 11.

        Yakov

        October 28, 2018 at 12:52 AM

      • At 19, you may be a bit introvert or socially shy, but you have no risk at all of being (diagnosed) an aspie. Now you know it. You are welcome.

        Bruno

        October 28, 2018 at 6:19 AM

      • I scored 38.

        CamelCaseRob

        October 28, 2018 at 8:28 AM

      • 30 is high but not a problem Yakov. Note that people who don’t have an imagination, Asperger either think only in images for the most or totally lack imagination for some, score 5 points higher, because it’s part of the diagnostic criteria.

        Bruno

        October 28, 2018 at 5:14 PM

    • What else can he say? It goes without saying that it’s a tragedy.

      We already know all too well about the alt-right Jew-haters. We know but are powerless to change anything.

      Frau Katze

      October 27, 2018 at 11:03 PM

      • Frau,

        “We already know all too well about the alt-right Jew-haters”

        Until I broke the mold, it was taboo on this website to say that. Fact.

        As it is, Lion seems to regret we can’t pin it on a Muslim, and that this will reflect badly on the alt-right – not that it exposes what a toxic waste dump the alt right is.

        gothamette

        October 28, 2018 at 7:59 AM

      • @Gothamette Really? Why would it be taboo? The alt-right are a disaster.

        A few early reactions from the Youtube crowd (they are still obsessed with censorship, not unreasonably) focussed on the shooter using Gab, an alternative to Twitter, but now full of alt-right types that were banned from Twitter.

        They believe the alt-right should not be banned but debated. The tech companies are wildly fussy now. So great hope existed for alternatives like Gab. Now this.

        Frau Katze

        October 28, 2018 at 9:43 AM

    • There is virulent antisemitism in online conspiracy theory circles as well.

      toomanymice

      October 28, 2018 at 8:18 AM

      • Yes, like a Venn diagram – but the online conspiracy sites aren’t that popular with a certain kind of guy.

        gothamette

        October 28, 2018 at 11:44 AM

      • Going by reddit (which admittedly skews young) the average antisemitic conspiracy nut is young, socialist, and smokes pot.

        toomanymice

        October 28, 2018 at 2:47 PM

    • Lion is a high functional aspie, I think. He is doing very well. Would likely score above 40 on Bruno’s test.

      Yakov

      October 28, 2018 at 10:28 AM

      • It is quite possible. But Asperger is really a loose condition. It’s like being blind : there are more than 20 reasons why a person can be blind, many unrelated .

        Bruno

        October 28, 2018 at 5:16 PM

      • And it’s professor Baron Cohen test. The brother of’the movie director.
        The guy is a Cambridge professor and extremely nice and open. Very non présomptuous. And it’s all the more rare that he is gifted but not highly gifted. So he could have compensated with an enormous ego. And he is just the contrary . Regular nice guy. He is extremelly high on industriousness though . Very professional .

        Bruno

        October 28, 2018 at 5:20 PM

  9. For the last two years there was little to political violence coming from the right, just let wing lunatics galore. Now, just two weeks before the elections all hell is breaking loose. Very strange. I do not think that either this or the “bombings” are a conspiracy but the timing is just awful.

    B.T.D.T.

    October 27, 2018 at 4:01 PM

  10. Big Bill, Kelley “only” killed 26 in Sutherland Springs, but, assuming you’re facetious about “atheist supremacists”, I take your point about the hype over this one.
    A country of over 300 million will produce a certain number of wackos, of every stripe.
    I’ll not hold my breath, waiting for the MSM to mention Kelley’s performance, which happened not to happen just before an emotional election.

    aNanyMouse

    October 27, 2018 at 4:26 PM

    • Of course, we could make it more difficult for low-IQ whackos to obtain guns.

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      October 27, 2018 at 4:31 PM

      • That particular low-iq wacko was already prohibited from owning guns. Our incompetent govt. failed at executing that law. So of course another law will work.

        Some Guy

        October 27, 2018 at 4:44 PM

      • Yes, if there were no gun stores, then only smart devious people with underworld connections would know how to break the law in order to get one. Low-IQ whackos wouldn’t be able to get their hands on them.

        Furthermore, I believe that the very fact of owning an AR-15 makes a certain type of person fall in love with them and want to put it to use. So sometimes, the tail wags the dog here. No legal tails, then fewer dogs.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        October 27, 2018 at 4:56 PM

      • There are guns and there are guns. Yesterday I brought three firearms to the range: a 30-30 lever action, a 30-06 bolt action, and a 12-gauge pump shotgun. The number of homicides in any given year committed with a 30-30 (or any lever action at all) or a 30-06 (or any bolt action at all) is, I would presume, not even close to the triple digits, and the number with shotguns is still quite low. In fact handguns are used in 9x the number of homicides as rifles and shotguns combined.

        Peter

        ironrailsironweights

        October 27, 2018 at 6:58 PM

      • What do you make of the fact that states and countries which pass gun control laws pretty much never see a significant reduction in murder rates?

        I think it’s because almost all typical murders are either (1) spouse on spouse or boyfriend/girlfriend; or (2) gangbangers in the ghetto killing eachother. With these types of murders, the people will find a way to kill eachother regardless of how easy their access to firearms is.

        I do agree that very aggressive gun control laws might curtail these sorts of spectacular mass shootings, but on the other hand, there are positive aspects to gun ownership and you would lose a lot of that if you made gun laws strict enough to prevent mass shootings.

        fortaleza84

        October 28, 2018 at 3:19 AM

      • The U.S. murder rate bottomed-out around 1960. Back then, you could order guns through the mail. To all the lunatics and psychopaths, all the laws we’ve passed since then seem to amount to nothing. And of course the saying, “If you can buy drugs, you can buy guns,” argument seems to make sense. It’s not like your local coke dealer is going to refuse to sell you one of the dozens he has acquired.

        raoulduke2767

        October 28, 2018 at 4:22 AM

    • There aren’t a boatload of websites devoted to “proving” that “the Baptists” control the world, pervert the world, and lie about faking their own suicide (i.e., the Holocaust).

      Mind you, I do not believe this incident is indicative of generalized anti-Semitism in the US, which I think is a complete myth. I do think it’s indicative of the pervasive and toxic anti-Semitism of the alt-right.

      gothamette

      October 28, 2018 at 8:01 AM

      • In political lobbying circles in my state there is an old saying that if your popular bill is moving and has no visible enemies but dies on the floor for no discernible reason blame X corporation (second biggest Corp in the state) and if it dies in Rules Committee with no discernible enemies or reason blame Z Corporation (largest Corp in the state). This saying reflects the operational understanding that much if not most important political activity occurs in the shadows. The same principle can be, and is, often extended to social meme-ing (media) and finance. Suspicious parties have no way of verifying which Corp is killing their popular measure but note that the deaths are not accidental.

        This is the same logic the American public is taking with the unpopular but apparently unstoppable alien invasion; which shadowy force is pulling the strings? Because it is clear there are shadowy forces acting in the background. It should not be surprising that some segment of a smart, wealthy and internationalist oriented in-group comes under suspicion (Corp X?). If you are Corp X and you are blameless the solution is to finger Corp Z, whoever that may be, if they are, in fact, the one’s to blame.

        Whining that there are NO shadowy actors doesn’t work because it doesn’t ring true.

        Curle

        October 28, 2018 at 3:08 PM

  11. It won’t matter that he hates Trump. All the media cares about is that he’s a white right winger.

    Lee

    October 27, 2018 at 4:27 PM

  12. You lay down with dogs, you get fleas. You cannot be white nationalists and be surprised when someone goes shoots up a synagogue.

    wt

    October 27, 2018 at 4:42 PM

    • if we judged everyone by the worst people that voted for them, what does that make you?

      Joe

      October 27, 2018 at 5:07 PM

      • Good point and one that liberals should take seriously since most black criminals come from families that vote for the Democrats.

        diversityischaos

        October 28, 2018 at 1:03 AM

    • No one here is a white nationalist. Trump is not a white nationalist.

      Not wanting thousands of low IQ people with little education, who have been raised in a corrupt, violent culture, to walk across the southern border does not make you a white nationalist. Wanting borders on your country doesn’t make you a white nationalist.

      Rosenmops

      October 27, 2018 at 5:14 PM

      • True. Netanyahu is using anti-immigrant policies to keep Africans out of Israel. Is he a white Nationalist?

        diversityischaos

        October 28, 2018 at 1:01 AM

      • Not just Africans, all non Jews. Israel defines itself as a Jewish sate. This is perfectly leagal.

        Yakov

        October 28, 2018 at 10:06 AM

      • “This is perfectly leagal.”

        Legal in the US too should the voters endorse it. Problem is that the international ruling class that runs the US has proclaimed it immoral and are working overtime to frustrate the will of the American people under the ‘morality veto.’

        Curle

        October 28, 2018 at 3:51 PM

    • You lay down with dogs, you get fleas

      Why does that matter? It is not a contest to see who can be the nicest. Look at Muslims: 9/11; failed societies, and they are a fast growing group; they just bagged Sinead O’Conner.

      bomag

      October 27, 2018 at 7:29 PM

      • Winning over Sinead O’Conner as a Muslim isn’t much of a victory.

        Mike Street Station

        October 27, 2018 at 7:59 PM

      • Getting Sinead O’Connor to put a bag over her head is definitely a victory.

        snorlax

        October 27, 2018 at 8:22 PM

      • Sinead has been married and divorced 4 times. She’s also had 4 children by 4 different men. And she describes herself as a “dyke”. So converting to islam is no surprise. It’s also unlikely to last. She’s a fruitcake.

        destructure

        October 28, 2018 at 12:36 AM

      • As an Irish Catholic I am delighted to lose Sinead O’Connor. I wish the Muslims would take that clown Bono with her.

        diversityischaos

        October 28, 2018 at 12:59 AM

      • I hope she doesn’t do Judaism next.

        Yakov

        October 28, 2018 at 10:30 AM

    • I’m a white nationalist in the sense that I think it’s reasonable and proper for historically white nations to have immigration policies designed to preserve their ethnic and racial character.

      What’s unfortunate is that most white nationalists refuse to accept that individual whites might engage in conduct which benefits the individual but is detrimental to whites as a group. They refuse to accept that whites are destroying themselves through idiotic infighting and status competitions so instead they go looking for an external scapegoat and of inevitably the finger of blame is pointed at the Jews.

      fortaleza84

      October 28, 2018 at 3:28 AM

      • I could be wrong, but I assumed “white nationalist” = folks who want a white ethno-state.

        That’s completely unrealistic. The best we can hope for now is to not make the situation worse by continuing to bring in vast numbers of non-white immigrants.

        Even that is probably unrealistic. This is really discouraging. Every indicator is flashing red to me. But clearly not for the white leftists.

        So, yes, you’re correct that there is infighting, But do you have suggestions about dealing with the crazy left?

        Frau Katze

        October 28, 2018 at 10:11 AM

      • Yes, absolutely. But there is no need to obfuscate the fact that white races are unique and on the whole superior to others. A fact is a fact.

        I was listening to harpsichord and lute music yesterday and I don’t want any rapping brutes anywhere near me.

        Yakov

        October 28, 2018 at 10:19 AM

    • I assumed this site would have zero alt-right sympathizers. What white nationalists are you talking about? There aren’t any here. White nationalist = alt-right. Lion presumably doesn’t let their comments through.

      Mind you, if there are many more high profile people like Sarah “I hate whites” Jeong getting hired to the editorial board of the New York Times, expect a increase.

      The whole leftist obsession with identity politics is tailor-made to created divisions and increase tensions.

      But they can’t seem to see this obvious fact, Or they don’t care, Or it’s deliberate.

      Frau Katze

      October 28, 2018 at 10:01 AM

  13. So, wt, does this mean that the Sutherland Springs shooting means, that being with atheists is also a case of “You lay down with dogs, you get fleas”?

    aNanyMouse

    October 27, 2018 at 5:21 PM

    • @aNanyMouse,

      Yes, no difference.

      But the difference between anti-Baptist-ism and anti-Semitism is that Baptists aren’t an obsession with the alt-right. See my comment above.

      gothamette

      October 28, 2018 at 8:03 AM

      • They’re the obsession of militant atheists, like the TX shooter.

        snorlax

        October 29, 2018 at 2:06 AM

  14. What are the chances that Gab will be shut down because of this?

    Heinrich Zemo

    October 27, 2018 at 5:53 PM

  15. Another leftist engineered false flag. I fully expected a school shooting, but that is probably set up for sometime next week.

    Or, there may be an attack on Halloween.

    Of course, this false flag will follow the others, with death certificates and video surveillance conveniently unavailable and authorities stone-walling any amateur investigations.

    Vote Republican so these deep state operatives can be removed.

    map

    October 27, 2018 at 6:04 PM

    • I agree that it looks damn suspicious that all of this happens right before the elections. We’re not alone; I think a lot of people who keep their mouths shut suspect that false flags like this do indeed happen.

      Stealth

      October 27, 2018 at 10:17 PM

      • The shooter hates Trump. So he chose the timing. Apparently he’s too stupid to see that alternative is far worse.

        Frau Katze

        October 28, 2018 at 10:14 AM

    • I have a hard time believing that this is a false flag operation. I suppose it’s remotely possible that there are Leftist agitators out there egging these idiots on to attack right before the elections. If you were a sufficiently sick person, it wouldn’t be hard to pose as some sweet Aryan princess online and urge these guys (who are probably pretty lonely) to take action.

      fortaleza84

      October 28, 2018 at 3:34 AM

      • Just ask yourself, who benefits? Look at the timing of the events, from the hits on Kavanaugh, to the fake bombs, to this shooting, all calibrated with major media support designed to benefit the Left. You think these are all coincidences?

        map

        October 28, 2018 at 2:37 PM

      • It’s very common for people to do stupid things that benefit the other side, either because the person is stupid or because they miscalculate.

        fortaleza84

        October 28, 2018 at 9:26 PM

      • Stories about striver types committing fraud so they can achieve a Lion agenda of upward mobility is a lot more interesting than these countless stories of gun toting proles who tit-tat and what goes on in the Trump world.

        A Richard Florida stealing research funds from the university so he can purchase a Manhattan apartment is a good one.

        Ok,what,who's this again?

        October 28, 2018 at 11:33 PM

    • Seriously, how could this be a “false flag?”

      Mike Street Station

      October 28, 2018 at 7:26 AM

      • Undercover agents find someone vulnerable and encourage him to commit violent acts. That’s one way. It works to induce certain young Muslim men to attempt terrorist acts. Except in this case, the perpetrator was allowed to go all the way. That’s just a possibility. I mean, our government allowed guns to be sold to Mexican drug gang members, knowing they would be used to murder people. I still haven’t heard anyone give a believable reason for why they did that.

        I just find it suspicious that two high-profile acts of right-wing terror occur right before the election. Call me stupid, but how often do these perfectly timed acts of violence have to occur before we at least discuss the possibility that they could be orchestrated?

        Stealth

        October 28, 2018 at 12:24 PM

      • Oh I think it’s suspicious that there two narrative shakers out there in the same week, but in your scenario a perpetrator can never get to a public trial since they will give up that story; they have to be taken out before then. So we’ll see if that happens.

        As for the sting operations (like the ones against muslim terrorists), the fact that they are sting operations is totally on the up and up and part of the indictment. That doesn’t seem to be the case here.

        Mike Street Station

        October 28, 2018 at 2:46 PM

      • There is a fundamental misunderstanding of how conspiracies operate. A conspiracy is a vehicle by which like-minded people find each other. They agree on the end, the means and the silence ahead of time to keep their agenda’s going. There is no recruiting into a conspiracy.

        map

        October 28, 2018 at 4:38 PM

      • I was just pointing out some of the dirty tricks LE sometimes pulls.

        Stealth

        October 28, 2018 at 4:55 PM

  16. “Typical Jew-hating white supremacist gun nut.”

    In my (necessarily limited) experience, gun nuts, even if effectively racist, have no ill-feeling towards jews. For example, a week ago Friday I played golf with a certified gun nut, who owns four pistols two shotguns, and at least one AR-15 that I know about. He’s anti-black as I am, believing that everything they touch turns to merde. He’s married to a woman I’d consider Jewish. though others might not (Jewish father gentile mother). Unbeknownst to me, he invited a jewish guy to play with us. Not only dud the guy have a crap golf game, he tried to talk my friend into buying his blue Ferrari. My friend already has a Ferrari, so we all found that kinda weird.

    Encyclopedia Texarcana

    October 27, 2018 at 6:17 PM

  17. O/T:

    Here is the latest mainstream article to get cause-and-effect backwards:

    http://forreadingaddicts.co.uk/reading-habits/study-shows-growing-up-in-a-home-full-of-books-is-good-for-children/29128

    I would like to talk about this, though. As a matter fact I have taken a lot of the genetic determinism arguments to heart and am actually raising my children according to the philosophy that what I “do” for them matters much less than people might think. Which goes to show that ideas matter, and have consequences (good or bad).

    In turn, I’ve also taken it to heart, repeated many times on this blog, that one of the *best* things I can do for my kids is to make sure they’re in a friend group with friends holding Good Values. So, thanks for that.

    S.J., Esquire

    October 27, 2018 at 6:19 PM

    • Books in the house measures parents’ IQ and social class a lot better than traditional questions like “does the mother have a college degree?”

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      October 27, 2018 at 7:26 PM

      • I remember what a strange experience it was as a child, to go over to a friend’s house and there wasn’t a book to be seen.

        Petronella

        October 27, 2018 at 7:58 PM

      • But with ebooks replacing paper books, this correlation will diminish over time. I threw out a lot of books and I am not buying any more paper books.

        Lion of the Blogosphere

        October 27, 2018 at 8:06 PM

      • Books in the house – a sign of an intermediate IQ. Books in the house written by one who lives in the house – a true sign of a high IQ.

        My 2c

        October 28, 2018 at 1:00 AM

      • ‘Books in the house written by one who lives in the house – a true sign of a high IQ’

        Don’t make me laugh now! My half sister and her half brother both have published numerous books of fiction. She has excellent review, but her writting is cheap, vulgar, semi-pornographic writting. I vomited after a few pages of one of her books and trashed it. Non of my kids read it. Obviously she is a leftist. Considering that most books being published are worthless, you comment, mate, is bizzare.

        Yakov

        October 28, 2018 at 10:14 AM

  18. I think simply that the tensions and animosities are so much that the low-IQ people are acting out. With the amount of guns in circulation, more and more of these lone-wolf attacks will occur until some form of martial law is enacted.

    Red pill aspie

    October 27, 2018 at 7:02 PM

  19. A synagogue is probably where a mass shooter would have the least likelihood of being shot by a congregant, since most Jews are liberals who don’t like guns. Which is weird consider the history of persecution against Jews.

    Dave Pinsen

    October 27, 2018 at 7:33 PM

    • People say Stephen Spielberg is a gun nut.

      Curle

      October 27, 2018 at 10:46 PM

    • Jews understand that owning guns is no guarantee you will be protected from prosecution. The Jews of Poland were protected by the armed might of the Polish Army, the Jews of Belarus and Ukraine by the Army of the USSR, the largest army in the world at the time. A lot of armed Jews fought in those armies. They still died. A better trained, led, and motivated enemy will destroy you even if you arm yourself to the teeth. That’s why Israel is more concerned with a strong military than protecting individual gun ownership. Israel does not recognize a “right” to bear arms.

      Peter Akuleyev

      October 28, 2018 at 7:41 AM

      • ‘Israel does not recognize a “right” to bear arms.’

        But the streets and public places are full of armed people. My son had a fictitious address in East Jerusalem, which gave him the right to a permit. He would not go on the street without his glock.

        Yakov

        October 28, 2018 at 9:56 AM

  20. The alt-right’s constant thrum of racial gotterdammerung can drive anyone nuts. What alt-righters need is to be shown that, a nationalist, right-wing, masculine and “shitlordy” culture can exist even in a post-white America. Tell them about Doug Ford and Jair Bolsonaro.

    Not that such an outcome is desirable or something to work towards, but just the existence of a “fallback position” for America will get them to lighten up, which is something they desperately need.

    IHTG

    October 27, 2018 at 10:11 PM

    • No one wants to live in a post-white America since it would be a hellhole like Africa, Latin America and large parts of Asia. The best countries in the world are the ones created by European Christians.

      diversityischaos

      October 28, 2018 at 12:54 AM

      • “No one wants to live in a post-white America”

        Really? The New York Times is very keen on the idea. They’re not alone. Plenty of whites at NYT.

        Frau Katze

        October 28, 2018 at 10:25 AM

      • IHTG

        October 28, 2018 at 10:40 AM

    • What this guy desperately needed was not to attack normal people who probably didn’t like open borders any more than he did and place the blame on the troublemakers who were actually responsible.

      destructure

      October 28, 2018 at 1:37 AM

      • Like he said, he didn’t care about optics — this was about acting out dramatically rather than effectively. He’s the type of guy who kicks his dog after Mr. Boss chews him out at work.

        Richard

        October 28, 2018 at 4:51 PM

  21. Anatoly Karlin’s post on Pittsburgh: http://www.unz.com/akarlin/a-synagogue-and-two-borders/

    Dave Pinsen

    October 27, 2018 at 10:38 PM

    • The Rabbi is pro-Trump!

      Lion of the Blogosphere

      October 27, 2018 at 10:51 PM

      • Ohhh…

        So the deep state gets a two-fer…

        map

        October 28, 2018 at 3:11 AM

      • If you’re talking about the rabbi that Trump appeared with then wasn’t that a different guy?

        IHTG

        October 28, 2018 at 7:13 AM

  22. If this guy was a “typical Jew hating white supremacist gun nut” then the Jews would have been wiped out in America a long time ago. Most so-called “anti-Semites” who live in this country are actually non-violent which is why most Jews prefer to live in America than Israel. The people most likely to want to kill the Jews are their Semitic cousins the Arabs.

    diversityischaos

    October 28, 2018 at 12:52 AM

  23. What is with all the “alt right” references? Do we know that this shooter is with the alt right? For that matter, Is there still a thing as the alt right? I figured it was as dead as the Tea Party.

    Mike Street Station

    October 28, 2018 at 7:38 AM

  24. By the way, for those here who will say, “The killer was anti-Trump!”, that’s a bullshit excuse. The hard core alt-right is pro-Trump. I won’t say his name or website here, because he wants attention, but the guy who runs the biggest website on the alt right is rabidly pro-Trump, and believes strongly in voting, and not stupid demonstrations.

    I have NO doubt that the killer read this website. It is obsessively anti-Jewish, more so than anti-black – but interestingly, his real hate is reserved for women, and I’ve seen many of his tropes and wording here. He is very influential.

    gothamette

    October 28, 2018 at 8:08 AM

    • Trump’s weakness is the same as his strength – he is at heart a cynical nihilist who has an exceptional sense of what a large segment of the American people want, and gives it to them. That allows him to win elections and confound his opponents, but it means he has no moral standing or conviction to put a stop to white nationalist excesses. Reagan was a man of moral conviction – he was able to tell the right when they had gone too far, and cut off the fanatics. But since we also trusted Reagan would never move to the left, the far right stuck by him. Since Trump doesn’t have a moral compass and doesn’t know where the lines should be, he will just keep moving further to the right until he has alienated a large percentage of former GOP voters. But with Trump you also can’t be sure whether he might make a crazy pirouette to left-wing economic ideas if he thinks he’s gone too far right. His crazy tariffs could be just the beginning.

      Peter Akuleyev

      October 28, 2018 at 9:58 AM

    • I think it actually is significant that the guy doesn’t like Trump. Trump is a friend to Jews and to Israel, which is a good thing, and probably why this guy doesn’t like him. The fact that other Jew-haters do like Trump doesn’t make that irrelevant.

      I think it’s good that this website is focused on observing progressive social transformation, and not on the badness of elements of the right. Lion does condemn Jew-haters in passing, which I appreciate, but I don’t disapprove of him focusing on how the shooting will affect politics.

      I don’t understand why you are mentioning the fact that a Jew-hating guy that you read also hates women (I don’t know who you’re talking about and I don’t read any Jew-hating websites, although I have looked at enough in the past to know that you are correct that the alt-right is heavily invested with Jew-haters). Are you trying to discourage people here from resenting women by establishing a correlation between Jew-haters and resentment of women? I do resent women. I have personal reasons, and social-observation reasons. I’m not going to give my personal reasons except to say that when tensions arise, women tend to be cruel, unreasonable, and maneuver in a dishonorable way that makes constructive interaction impossible. My social-observation reasons include things such as 2-income households becoming required, workplaces revolving around feminine HR-and-meetings stuff, male hobbies and interests being disparaged and targeted with activism, casual divorce and abortion, women voting against our old social norms, disappearance of male social roles which gave men a sense of meaning and purpose in life, etc. Our cultural leaders are constantly praising women. I wish there were a lot more publicly-expressed negativity about women.

      Perturabo

      October 28, 2018 at 10:14 AM

    • Not a very perspicacious comment. First, Sailer doesn’t have his own website, he’s a renter at Unz. Second, there’s no way Sailer’s readers have stronger feelings about jews than about blacks. Nobody has to worry about their grand-daughter being raped/killed by jews at college. Third, if women don’t want to be associated with laughable third-raters like Masha Gessen, Sara Jeong or Emily Bazelon, then get off your asses and laugh them out of the media yourselves. Sheesh.

      Department 11

      October 28, 2018 at 1:42 PM

      • I cancelled my NYT subscription of a number of years over Sarah Jeong. I did my bit, and I’m female.

        Frau Katze

        October 28, 2018 at 4:02 PM

      • “Nobody has to worry about their grand-daughter being raped/killed by jews at college.”

        They certainly do while their daughters are auditioning at Hollywood studios. Especially at Weinstein’s studios.

        Teenage Wasteland

        October 28, 2018 at 5:16 PM

      • Teenage Wasteland, their daughters shouldn’t be auditioning at Hollywood studios.

        Perturabo

        October 28, 2018 at 6:44 PM

      • If they read ‘The Godfather’, they would know that it’s the right of passage in Hollywood. It’s also common sense. I’m surprised that anybody is surprised.

        Yakov

        October 28, 2018 at 6:46 PM

  25. Perhaps people who believe it is a false flag because of the proximity of the upcoming elections have it the wrong way round: politics becomes more heated precisely because of the elections and the extra impetus and time constraints it gives to stories like the Kavanagh vote or the Honduras caravan. People like Bowers mighr be responding to that heightened political tension rather than acting out as some kind of Manchurian Candidate.

    Two useful comparisons: the murder of the MP Jo Cox by a man shouting ‘Britain First’ during the British Brexit referendum campaign, and the murder of Pim Fortuyn only nine days before the Dutch election by a left wing activist angered at his demonisation of Muslims.

    Of course this will be spun as a problem of the political right, but it is more generally a problem of the political climate. The culture wars are generally at such a fever pitch, and there is so much at stake with every election that the media, politicians and activists on both sides are in a state of heightened readiness for battle.

    Prolier Than Thou

    October 28, 2018 at 8:46 AM

    • That’s a good point. First Kavanaugh then the Honduran Camp of Saints caravan. It creates a heated atmosphere. If I’m noticing the atmosphere and I’m an older woman (a demographic highly unlikely to commit violence) plus a Canadian, then it really must be heated.

      One difference is that elections aren’t on a predetermined schedule in Canada & the UK. The governing party has a maximum of five years but can call election any time they want. And the campaigning only lasts a few weeks.

      In the US people are just getting used to a particular political landscape when the campaigning begins again. It seems like they’re always campaigning.

      Frau Katze

      October 28, 2018 at 3:17 PM

  26. Hate to chime in:

    O/t — but Pittsburgh related, a well known bookseller who owns Caliban Books in the community is charged with thieving $8 million dollars worth of rare books and archival material from the incompetent Carnegie Library over a 20 year period by conspiring with one of its librarians who fraudulently decommissioned the items and forging letters stating such authorization. He would then handover these items to the bookseller for a sum of money where they go into the open market for sale. The librarian initially felt it was a great money making scheme, because he needed to pay for his daughter’s hefty tuition bill in college.

    I’ve seen the prole owner at the various book fairs who’s been a trusted and respected member in his field and I’m glad to know that I’ve lost much faith in humanity for good.

    Sh!t like this only happens in Meriprolestan.

    A French guy once told me that you Americans are pathological hoarders of priceless junk who live in this disillusion fantasy where money is everything (aka capitalism).

    Ok,what,who's this again?

    October 28, 2018 at 10:45 AM

    • Welcome back.

      Curle

      October 28, 2018 at 4:24 PM

      • According to the librarian who committed this heinous crime, he was having difficulty paying his children’s tuition at the Ellis School and at Duquesne University, as well as the rent for his apartment.

        Lion’s suggestion of getting a high paying career to avoid this kind of ill fated behavior stemming from America’s large contingency of undesirables and riff-raff is on the mark.

        You don’t have much options if you are not one of the well to do urban elites in Meriprolestan who want your kids to develop middle class values and live in a safe environment.

        Ok,what,who's this again?

        October 28, 2018 at 8:05 PM

  27. I shopped there as well. South Craig is a very intellectual street with good restaurants between several top institutions of learning, and I would meet my Libertarian cronies there as the head of the Libertarian world network lived in Pittsburgh some years (about a block from the Temple where the shooting happened, oddly enough) along with many top activists. Nice area, but the Caliban bookstore owners/staff gave me the impression of commies always making snide anti-capitalist/US remarks and praising loony French po-mo philosophasters. Apparently they’re now free-lance socialists at Caliban.

    Why lose faith in humanity? People tell you who they are. Caliban bookshop shares the name with the Shakespeare character described as a “villain” and a “monster.”

    Can’t get the European experts who fell all over themselves to buy the stolen items from Caliban from us Meriprolestan ‘money is everything’ Americans. Works like Newton’s ‘Principia’ and General Washington’s original diary at bargain basement prices with a ‘WITHDRAWN’ stamp? Looks legit.

    Robert

    October 28, 2018 at 2:59 PM

    • Those mentioned dealers that were caught up in the messy book heist aren’t French, Spanish, Italian or German.

      1) Bartleby’s Books

      2) Between the Covers

      3) Bauman Rare Books in NYC

      4) University Archives

      5) Peter Harrington Rare Books in London

      They are your greedy, rash, often unsophisticated, Anglo Prole businesses that slap a price tag on everything for sale.

      Ok,what,who's this again?

      October 28, 2018 at 4:20 PM


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